Operator
Good day, and welcome to the LTC Properties Inc.’ s First Quarter 2012 Analyst and Investor Conference Call.
[Operator Instructions]
Operator
I’d like to remind everyone that today’s comments, including the question-and-answer session, will include forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results and events to differ materially.
These risks and uncertainties are detailed in LTC Properties Inc.’ s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the company’s 10-K dated December 31, 2011.
Please note this event is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the conference over to Wendy Simpson. Please go ahead.
Wendy Simpson
Hello, and thank you for joining us today. We’ll begin our call with comments on the quarter from Pam Kessler, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
Pamela Shelley-Kessler
Thank you, Wendy. I’ll be discussing first quarter 2012 compared to fourth quarter 2011.
I’ll refer you to our 10-Q that was filed yesterday for a year-over-year analysis.
Pamela Shelley-Kessler
During the first quarter 2012, revenues increased approximately 342,000 due to acquisitions. Interest expense increased 40,000 due to increased borrowing under our line of credit to fund the acquisition in the first quarter.
Acquisition costs decreased $127,000 due to one acquisition in the first quarter as compared to 3 acquisitions in the fourth quarter. Operating and other expenses increased $92,000 due to higher payroll taxes in the first quarter related to bonuses paid during the quarter and an increase in restricted stock vesting expense.
During the quarter, we sold a 140-bed skilled nursing property in Texas for $1.2 million, and recognized a gain on sale of $16,000. The property was in a master lease with Preferred Care and there was no change in rent from this master lease as a result of the sale, so there was no change in revenue due to the sale of the property.
Expense from discontinued operations relates to an independent living property in Texas. We’ve received multiple offers on this property, all with financing contingencies.
We’ve ordered an appraisal to determine the fair market value, and should the appraisal indicate a market value below the current net book value of $5 million, we’ll record an impairment charge equal to the difference between the appraised value and the net book value.
Net income available to common stockholders increased $353,000 due to acquisitions. Normalized fully-diluted FFO per share was $0.56 this quarter compared to normalized fully-diluted FFO per share of $0.55 last quarter.
Normalized fully-diluted FAD per share was $0.56 this quarter and $0.54 last quarter.
Turning to the balance sheet. During the quarter, we purchased a 144-bed skilled nursing property in Texas for $18.6 million.
The property was added to a master lease at a GAAP yield of 10.8%. We sold a 140-bed skilled nursing property, as previously discussed.
We received $718,000 in scheduled principal payments on mortgage loans receivable. We funded $1 million under a construction and term loan at 8.5%, and received $190,000 from the payoff of a note receivable.
Subsequent to March 31, Skilled Healthcare Group issued a redemption notice for $6.5 million of bonds that we own. The notice provided for a redemption date of May 12, 2012, and the bonds will be redeemed at par plus accrued interest.
At March 31, we had $73 million drawn on our unsecured line of credit. We currently have $137 million available under our line of credit.
Additionally, we have $100 million available under our shelf agreement with Prudential.
During the quarter, 2 of our limited partners redeemed a total of 89,294 shares in our limited partnership. At our option, we elected to pay the redemption of $2.8 million in cash rather than issue common shares.
During the first quarter, we paid $14 million in preferred and common dividends.
In discussing the operator statistics, I’ll give the general caveat that these numbers come from our operators. They are unaudited and have not been independently verified by us.
Additionally, occupancy and lease coverage information is for the trailing 12 months fourth quarter 2011, compared to the trailing 12 months third quarter 2011.
Occupancy in our Same Property ALC portfolio increased to 79%, excluding properties leased to Assisted Living Concepts and Extended Care, occupancy and our ALC portfolio with 88.5%. EBITDAR lease coverage after a 5% fee was 1.4x.
Before management fee or EBITDARM, coverage was 1.6x. Occupancy in our Same Property SNF portfolio was 78%.
EBITDAR lease coverage after a 5% slide management fee was 2.1x. Before management fee or EBITDARM coverage for our SNF portfolio was 2.8x.
Occupancy in our Same Property portfolio of properties that provide independent living or a combination of independent living, assisted living and skilled nursing, was 87%. EBITDAR lease coverage after a 5% management fee was 1.4x.
Before management fee or EBITDARM coverage was 1.9x.
Quality mix for the 9 months ended December 31, 2011 for our Same Property portfolio, which includes skilled nursing, assisted living, independent living and properties with a combination thereof, was 63% private pay, 13% Medicare and 24% Medicaid.
Within our Same Properties SNF portfolio, the quality mix was 23% private pay, 26% Medicare and 51% Medicaid, and that quality mix was for the 12 months ended December 31. That’s it.
Wendy Simpson
Okay, thank you, Pam. Clint, our Senior Vice President and Chief Investment Officer, will comment on our deal flow and our pipeline.
Clint Malin
Thank you, Wendy. Last quarter I mentioned we had entered into 2 letters of intent.
One of these transactions was then converted into a closed deal during the first quarter, as Pam mentioned in her comments. The second letter of intent is for the acquisition of land to construct a freestanding private pay memory care property.
We anticipate finalizing all transaction documents this week, and closing on the land acquisition in the next 2 weeks.
Clint Malin
We are very excited about beginning our first memory care development project since announcing our development initiative late last year. LTC’s funding commitment for this investment, inclusive of land and hard and soft costs for construction of a 60-unit facility, will be approximately $9.8 million.
This investment has increased approximately $800,000 from when I initially mentioned this potential transaction on our previous earnings call. We will formally announce the transaction and related details once we close on the land acquisition.
Our deal pipeline remains strong, in the $150 million range, consisting of development opportunities and acquisition of existing operational properties; mainly skilled nursing facilities. We have 2 new letters of intent signed by both parties, and we are in the process of conducting due diligence on the transaction.
We continue to be in active discussions with multiple companies regarding development opportunities for freestanding private-pay memory care properties, as we focus on building out our development program for this property type. Now that we will be closing on land for our first memory care development project, we have been able to refine our financial modeling and our due diligence process, address accounting and tax questions and create standardized documents in order to replicate the structure with other operators on other development projects.
We believe that by having this structure in place, it will give us a firm advantage in going forward in selling our development program to operating companies seeking construction financing in the memory care space. To that extent, I anticipate having 2 fully-executed LOIs by the end of this month on 2 additional development projects.
One will be a freestanding memory care property, and the other will have a combination of assisted living and memory care.
Consistent with last quarter’s earnings call, we are anticipating that the acquisition of skilled nursing properties will be back-loaded into the fourth quarter of this year.
Turning to our existing portfolio, last quarter I mentioned we had an approximate $40-plus million pipeline for renovation and expansion projects within the portfolio. Following the quarter close, we entered into a lease amendment with one of our lessees to fund $1.7 million for renovations to 2 skilled nursing properties located in New Mexico, which are part of a master lease - or in a master lease together.
Separately, we anticipate executing a lease amendment in the next 2 weeks on a skilled nursing property in California to fund a $1.7 million renovation to that property.
Also, we have entered into a letter of intent with the lessee to fund approximately $15 million to expand and renovate 2 assisted living properties, which will include a memory care component at both locations. We are actively in discussions with lessees in our portfolio to convert these identified opportunities within our renovation pipeline into investments for the company.
Now I’ll turn the call back to Wendy.
Wendy Simpson
Thank you, Clint. We’ve had a very active 2012.
Pam mentioned the $18.6 million deal that we closed in the first quarter, and Clint’s outlined some of the opportunities we’re currently pursuing. We’re very positive about our deal flow and the success of our marketing efforts.
Wendy Simpson
To add some details to what Clint has outlined, let me give you an idea of what we’re working on that’s in that $150 million bucket of opportunities. And I believe that we have a very high possibility of Clint’s converting these into closed deals.
We’ve completed due diligence and gotten a signed purchase - Once we’ve completed due diligence and gotten signed purchase agreements, we’ll announce lease rates and states and licensed beds and other details. But now this is what I’m comfortable in disclosing relative to some of the deals we’re working on.
We have a signed LOI to purchase a skilled nursing facility for $6.5 million. This facility will be tucked into an existing master lease, with an existing operator.
This property is a year or so old, and is being sold by its developer-operator. We have a good possibility of closing this in the second quarter.
We have a signed LOI to purchase $54 million worth of skilled nursing properties from an operator in a sale-leaseback transaction. I’m so excited about these properties because they are among the nicest properties I’ve ever seen.
The operator is very innovative and experienced.
These properties were opened in 2009 and 2010. The operator has done transactions with a REIT before and is comfortable with the triple net lease structure.
We very much want to become the owners of these properties and add the operator to our portfolio, and the owner-operator would very much like to work with us.
The primary snag here is there’s a third-party financing that needs to be addressed, and is being addressed as aggressively as possible. We’re also doing a market study for these properties because of the size of the deal.
But having seen the properties, met the management and knowing the state, we have some confidence that the study will be positive. If we complete this transaction, they will definitely become the front-page picture on our presentations.
Last week, Andy introduced me to an operator in a CON-state that has some unique opportunities. The operator has options or other agreements to purchase very old properties that have 3- or 4-bed wards.
These properties are grandfathered in right now, but the operator does not follow philosophy that this grandfathered waiver will last forever. What the operator proposes is to purchase the properties for reasonable amounts and build new replacement properties.
These are skilled nursing properties. I saw all of the old properties, and they are extremely clean and bright, but small and cramped.
The buildings are of the one-story flat-roof variety, and are really beyond renovation opportunities, but they’re either full or close to full, and almost the only long-term care facility option in their market.
The operator’s already operating most of the facilities either through a lease or through a management agreement. One of the properties has land that a new facility can be built on, and in another instance the operator has identified an available parcel of land in an area to build a new property.
This is a very new opportunity for us but I think it would be a terrific project and I hope to be able to give more details in the future.
During our last call, I mentioned that we would probably term out some of our debt lines sometime this year. I would say that we are more likely than not to do something to change our debt structure in the near future.
If interest rates and maturities can be agreed to, we would take the opportunity to more permanently finance our recent acquisitions and secure some amount of long-term debt for transactions that we see likely this year.
I really don’t want you to think this means LTC will be raising cash from a debt offering just to have it on the balance sheet to use for possible deals. I understand and respect the view that when you are “under-leveraged,” and cash is cheap, get all the cash you can and buy whatever you can even if it’s not immediately accretive.
Whatever we do, however, our interest costs will go up. We will be careful to schedule maturities to provide us with maturing debt of reasonable amounts yearly.
We’re stepping out a bit from our conservative-at-all-costs business plans by pursuing doable projects in memory care and doing some financing of replacement skilled nursing properties. But each of these projects is relatively small and manageable within our core conservative philosophy.
Pam mentioned that skilled nursing, or Skilled Healthcare, was able to refinance their debt and call their bonds. We had $6.5 million worth of their bonds, and we need to replace that $715,000 worth of income.
We congratulate Skilled for a good refinancing, and really regret to lose these bonds, but we’ll take this as an opportunity to use those proceeds and fund real estate assets that will provide for a longer-term return.
On our last call, I gave guidance of FFO and FAD between $2.23 and $2.25. Right now I’m not changing that, despite the $18.6 million transaction we recently closed.
We’re losing interest from the skilled bonds and the difference is about $0.01 to the positive, but that does not take into consideration any additional interest costs from any debt deal that we may do.
This is where I would turn the call over for your questions, but let me anticipate the first question.
Assisted Living Concepts has not defaulted, as I speak, on any of their lease terms with us. Since January of this year, we have physically visited all but one of the properties they lease from us.
The last property is being visited this week. We have checked that all licenses are current in all properties, we have checked that the real estate taxes have been paid and are current, and they are, we have a couple of follow-ups to do with regulatory agencies to confirm that the current licenses are in place, and if we cannot get confirmation, we will be contacting our lessees, Assisted Living Concepts and Extended Care, about this requirement to have the current licenses.
We are compiling a comprehensive list of maintenance items we want addressed as a result of our property visits. I’ve not been told that any of these items are other than in the normal course of repairs and maintenance we would be noticing at any property we inspect.
Additionally, I was told that at one of the properties they were replacing a roof. We have not talked to management of Assisted Living Concepts and have no information about any process or corporate alternatives or initiatives other than what we’ve seen in print, including the recent release regarding tough litigation with Assisted Living Concepts.
This litigation, as it stands now, does not cause a default under our leases.
With that, I thank you all for your time and I’ll now open it up for questions.
Operator
[Operator instructions]. Our first question comes from Daniel Bernstein of Stifel, Nicolaus.
Dan Bernstein
It’s a little hard not to come back to the assisted living concept, so you’re right to anticipate it. Do you have similar properties with other operators?
I just want to understand if you have something to compare against their performance?
Wendy Simpson
They’re not dissimilar to what properties we have with Brookdale.
Dan Bernstein
And would you say those properties are performing better or you’re just…
Wendy Simpson
Well, the Brookdale properties, in the same type of market areas, are performing better and Brookdale does not, not take Medicaid or allow their residents to convert to Medicaid. So it gets back in the areas where they’re not performing very well, they’re in states that rely a lot on the Medicaid residents.
Wendy Simpson
But in states where other states like common states that we have with Brookdale…
Clint Malin
Texas would be one.
Wendy Simpson
Texas would be one. They’re very similar performances.
Dan Bernstein
Okay. And the other question I was wondering is, on the acquisition front, what are the timing of some of those LOIs that you have?
I mean, obviously they’re still in the due diligence process, but are you thinking those are second or third quarter close or is it going to be later than that?
Wendy Simpson
I think…
Dan Bernstein
You may have said that and I might have missed it.
Wendy Simpson
Yes, that’s all right. The 6.5 is probably definitely a second quarter close.
The $54 million, we would both like to do it, but because there’s a third party involved, it might slip a little bit.
Dan Bernstein
Is that HUD debt or is it something else?
Wendy Simpson
It’s something else.
Dan Bernstein
Okay. And what do you seeing in terms of the pipeline in the senior housing space?
I mean, you clearly have some focus here on the skilled nursing, but are you seeing any opportunities in senior housing as well that might present an LOI at some point?
Clint Malin
Dan, this is Clint. On the senior housing side, for the assisted living properties that we like to look at that are better markets, newer product - the cap rates, the pricing premium that’s being demanded in those makes it challenging for us to go ahead and look at.
So we - there are opportunities we see, but it’s - given the pricing in today’s market, it’s a little hard for us to work on our cost to capital. So we’re still actively looking at them, but the pricing on skilled nursing tends to work better for us.
Dan Bernstein
Okay. And then I have a question, the assets that you’re buying tend to be fairly new.
Do you have an average age for your portfolio and maybe goals to where you want that to go?
Wendy Simpson
No, we don’t have an average age because we’ve, we’ve done a lot of renovations. But I would say that in the last year, most of what we bought has been built in the 2000s.
Dan Bernstein
By design?
Wendy Simpson
By design, or in the instance that I was talking about the opportunity, we’d buy something at a low amount and be able to replace it, hopefully.
Dan Bernstein
Okay. And no hesitancy on the part of sellers to sell in an uncertain market, uncertain reimbursement, the sellers, there’s no hesitancy upon - amongst the sellers to go ahead and do these transactions at this point?
Wendy Simpson
We haven’t found an operator who believes that they’ve ever been in a market that’s not always changing.
Operator
The next question comes from John Roberts of Hilliard Lyons.
John Roberts
You didn’t mention cap rates. I don’t know if that purposeful or nothing’s really decided upon, but I’d be kind of interested in the discussion of that $54 million portfolio since it’s larger than you typically do.
Wendy Simpson
We’re not ready to announce that yet.
John Roberts
Okay. What are you seeing?
I mean, what’s the - I mean, are they within your typical expectation for …
Wendy Simpson
Yes, they’re definitely within our typical expectation.
Operator
Our next question comes from James Milam of Sandler O’Neill.
James Milam
My first question is just on the skilled nursing coverage. Can you guys give us a number, kind of what it would have been for annualized fourth quarter?
I'm just curious if there’s a way to sort of quantify if that may continue to decline through the rest of the year given that it’s a trailing 12 month number.
Wendy Simpson
I don’t have an annualized. Sorry, James.
James Milam
Okay, what’s kind of just - generally, what’s your thought or perspective on how that may shift over the course of the year? Are operators starting to do, should they – see some EBITARM increase over the rest of the year, or is that, obviously it’s a trailing 12 number, does that continue to dip through the third quarter?
Wendy Simpson
It will dip as we expected it to dip because of RUGS4. So a little bit of it was experienced in this last annualized quarter.
So as RUGS4 comes fully into the quarter, we even talked about it last quarter, that we expect it to be at about 1.9.
Pamela Shelley-Kessler
Yes. I think we’re still comfortable with that estimate of 1.9.
James Milam
Okay, perfect. And then my second question is, I hear you on not changing your guidance given the skilled bonds, but you’ve also made, closed a couple of CapEx investments that should start generating some revenue.
I’m just, in addition to skilled nursing asset. So I guess my question is, why aren’t you a little more comfortable assuming that the revenue does go up through the rest of the year, number one.
And then number two, maybe without being specific, but thinking about the potential deal pipeline, what are your thoughts - and also with kind of where CMS is at this point, what are your thoughts on the dividend payout and potentially increasing the dividend over the next few quarters?
Wendy Simpson
Our revenues are going up, but as I said, we’re, we’re probably going to do a financing that’s more long term. So we’ll be going from about a 2% interest rate to more.
For a short period of time, we might have additional cash that’s not invested at our regular rate of returns in the 8% to 10% rate. So that will cause some additional expenses.
And at the, just putting these assets on line, either the $54 million transaction or the $6.5 million transaction, coming in at the later end of the year, I just - we just haven’t had time to push through all possibilities. I got - I got the standalone do-nothing projection, but [indiscernible], who’s our controller hasn’t been able to get everything filed and give me all the assumption transactions.
So I’m sorry, I don’t have it available.
Wendy Simpson
But the deals that we do, we are doing, are accretive, but timing of when those deals come in, we just haven’t been able to do the pro formas on those, James. I'm sorry.
James Milam
So I guess, just as a follow up, you’re leaning towards potentially doing unsecured financing to repay the line of credit balance regardless of whether these acquisitions close or not? It’s not dependent on some additional acquisitions closing?
Wendy Simpson
I believe so. We’ve got - as Pam said, we’ve got 73 million drawn, and I’ve said before, when we have a significant amount drawn on our line, and I always was looking at about $100 million to make it worthwhile to do a longer-term financing, and right now it seems like the debt markets are pretty open, whether we do it through the pull down of our Prudential agreement or do something else.
It looks like we’ll do something in the second quarter, if markets hold.
Pamela Shelley-Kessler
Also James, in terms of us giving guidance, historically we’ve only given guidance on investments we’ve made that we’ve closed on and I think not updating guidance, kind of adheres to that philosophy where we’re very hopeful that we are going to be able to consummate these transactions, but I think to increase guidance at this point based on that would be a little premature.
Pamela Shelley-Kessler
And in terms of the development deals that we do have commitments on, those tend to be, those go [indiscernible] usually over a 12 to 18-month period. So you see the revenue from those not really showing up until the end of the year or the first part of next year.
Operator
The next question comes from Josh Patinkin of BMO Capital Markets.
Joshua Patinkin
Do you have any sense of what the level of interest - a replacement tenant would be for assisted living concepts should that ever happen, or have to happen?
Wendy Simpson
Yes, we’ve talked to some of our other operators, just on a what if type - we’re fairly confident that we would be either able to place them with one operator, or find, people who are interested in groupings of the assets. So I’m not really too concerned about finding a new operator for those properties.
Joshua Patinkin
And at a similar rent level?
Wendy Simpson
Well, that, that would be the question, because - well, probably at a similar - I just got to believe something is going to happen at assisted living concepts that hopefully, they will either change their strategy, or their strategy will be worn out in the future.
Wendy Simpson
If we had to do it today, and we didn’t have the credit of assisted living, and - I mean, if for some reason we took them back today and we had to lease them out at a lower lease rate because they’re under occupied, we would still have assisted living concepts and extended care who would have to make up that lease differential during the time that the new operator got them more fully occupied.
If it lingers on until the end of the lease period, which is 2014, but we’ll know in 2013 that they’re renewing or not renewing - we have a whole year to analyze that. So, right now, if I had to take them back, and I had nobody else to go to, to make up the rent differential, I just believe yes, we would probably take less of a rent while somebody got them up to speed, but I don’t see that happening.
Joshua Patinkin
Okay, that’s fair.
Pamela Shelley-Kessler
So the initial, rent yield would be lower, but it would ramp up.
Wendy Simpson
But, nonetheless, and ramp up probably higher than what the existing assisted living cost.
Clint Malin
And that’s assuming that of our idea structure, something along those lines, I mean, like we decided to not, we would look at that too, but would have to think hard about employing that structure as opposed to just a triple net lease structure.
Joshua Patinkin
Okay, so that’s good color. And then the second question is on the skilled nursing coverage numbers, have you gotten any sense of the level of mitigation efforts that your operators have accomplished to offset the reduction in Medicare reimbursement?
Clint Malin
Rich, I don’t have any specific numbers to give you, but we’re in active discussions and staying in close contact with our operators to get a better sense of what they are doing, and where they are at, and they started implementing this in the fourth quarter, so I imagine as this year continues, we’ll see that sort of get to a stabilized number where they have those cost mitigation efforts fully baked into their financials. So, that’s something that’s in process and underway, I don’t have any specific details other than that they’re pursuing a multiple cost reductions.
Operator
The next question comes from Daniel Bernstein of Stifel, Nicolaus.
Dan Bernstein
I just have a follow up on the construction. The construction that you’re doing, is that Memory Care, and are you looking at any other asset type to do some construction funding?
Clint Malin
Right now, the property that I talked about, Dan, was freestanding, private pay memory care facility. So, that’s what we’re targeting primarily.
But we would also look assisted living and memory care as a combined property - it would depend on the market, the operator, but it’s something that we would look at. And then we are also looking, as Wendy had mentioned on the skilled nursing properties - and doing some replacement projects.
We have the project in Amarillo, Texas, that’s underway as a replacement skilled project, and we’re looking at a few other opportunities hopefully in our portfolio to replace some projects. So, it would depend on the circumstance, but the primary focus on development is for freestanding private-pay memory care.
Dan Bernstein
Okay, and just so I understand, what the ALC leases, what month do they expire in 2014…
Wendy Simpson
December.
Dan Bernstein
And when do they have to give you notice?
Wendy Simpson
They need to give us notice by December 31, 2013 to expire December 31, 2014.
Dan Bernstein
And they have another set of leases, when do those expire, I think it was 2016, or something?
Wendy Simpson
No, they’re the same.
Dan Bernstein
They are all the same?
Wendy Simpson
Yes, they are all the same.
Operator
[Operator instructions]. Our next question comes from Karin Ford of Keybanc Capital Markets.
Karin Ford
What percentage of the $150 million pipeline is development versus acquisitions today?
Clint Malin
I would say you’re probably looking at about 40% development.
Karin Ford
40%, okay, and I know you said the total cost for the initial deal sounds like it went up a little bit, what are you expecting on yields for the Memory Care product these days?
Clint Malin
I’m figuring right around the 9% range.
Karin Ford
9% yield, okay. Great, and then last question is just on the Smith’s that Kindred gave up leases with Ventos.
I know Ventos is focused on, they said they’re focused on releasing those today, but have you guys seen any - seen them for sale in the market, if you did would you be interested in taking a look?
Clint Malin
We’ve made contact with Ventos initially when the announcement came out…
Wendy Simpson
We’re one of the hundred.
Clint Malin
Yes, we’re one of the hundred, exactly, and they are running a process - if the opportunity came up and there was a few buildings that, maybe an operable one to buy, or we can look at them, we would probably look at a couple if the right opportunity came up.
Wendy Simpson
Or if an operator came to us.
Clint Malin
Exactly.
Wendy Simpson
But, yes - we just - we’ve been talking about this, and Clint and I, and Andy are around a lot, and I just don’t remember being in a market where somebody said, “Oh we have a Kindred facility that’s competing.” So, I think they are in a lot of markets that we just aren’t in, I haven’t gotten a list of those properties but they don’t seem to be competitors in our stronger market.
Operator
This concludes our question and answer session, I would like to turn the conference back over to Wendy Simpson for any closing remarks.
Wendy Simpson
Thank you, Sue, and again thank you all for joining us today. Hopefully, we will have some press releases out about deals or debt transactions within this quarter before we talk to you again, but if not, we will talk to you in approximately 3 months.
Again, thanks a lot for spending the time.
Operator
The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation.
You may now disconnect.