Lenzing AG

Lenzing AG

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Q2 2025 · Earnings Call Transcript

Aug 8, 2025

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Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Lenzing AG Analyst Conference Call and Live Webcast. My name is Youssef, the Chorus Call operator.

[Operator Instructions] This conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast.

At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Rohit Agrawal, CEO. Please go ahead sir.

Rohit Aggarwal

Thank you, and good afternoon to everyone. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the presentation of Lenzing's results of first half 2025.

With us today is also Nico Reiner, our CFO, whom you know well. But let's start with an overview of the key developments.

Our revenue and EBITDA continued to improve also in first half of this year in a market environment that remains challenging and is marked by the rise in geopolitical uncertainty, especially the aggressive customer policy that we are observing. Our revenue reached EUR 1.34 billion, an increase of 2% compared to first half of 2024.

EBITDA increased by 63% and reached EUR 269 million in the first 6 months, and the EBITDA margin increased from 13% to 20%. Unlevered free cash flow was at EUR 89 million in the first half of 2025 with an increase in the second quarter compared to the first quarter this year.

Overall, our performance continues to show positive developments. However, international tariff measures and the resultant uncertainty led to tangible stress along the textile value chain and slowed our recovery.

Now let us address a topic that has been very much characterized the last couple of months globally, international tariff measures and the resulting uncertainty. While in Q1, the key focus was mainly on the dispute between the U.S.

and its neighbors Mexico and Canada as well as the 10% and later 20% on all imports from China, we saw only limited impact on our Q1 results. However, the actual escalation from reciprocal tariffs followed in early April, this led to both supply and demand shocks.

A collapse of China-U.S. trade and to an impact of global value chains.

Ongoing and repeatedly changing international tariff measures and the resulting uncertainty led to tangible stress, especially along the textile value chain impacting also Lenzing in quarter 2, 2025. The second half of July and early August have brought some updates in U.S.

tariff policy, impacting key countries in the value chains differently. However, the high uncertainty remains.

All in all, everybody in the industry is scrambling to deal with the situation and planning scenarios given the high uncertainty. Still, we believe Lenzing is better positioned than other fiber manufacturers given our global footprint.

And needless to say, we are working on a set of mitigation measures, which include switching supply rules for input materials such as dissolving pulp and chemicals and also shifting fiber volumes between our production site to optimize for existing and possible tariffs to support our customers. In general, we maintain very close contact to our customers and regional value chains to handle the situation in the best possible way with our partners and pass on additional costs where possible.

Let's look now in more detail how markets have developed. Let's start with a brief overview on demand, prices as well as input costs.

On the demand side, the global apparel markets saw a slight increase, while nonwoven markets continue to remain more robust. With regards to market prices, we saw a slight decrease of selected generic fiber prices in the second quarter.

On the cost side, energy and caustic soda market prices remained elevated versus pre-crisis levels. Now let's look at the relevant markets for Lenzing, textiles and nonwovens.

When adjusted for inflation, demand for apparel worldwide was up by 2% in the first half of 2025 versus a year ago based on the developments in the second quarter where the U.S. stood out.

Sales spiked in April and May due to consumers in the U.S. preponing purchases since they feel higher clothing prices once tariffs kick in.

Also, the changes to de minimis tariff exemptions helped fuel regular retail sales. Sales in Europe were flat compared to last year.

The cost of living environment remains challenging and consumer confidence is subdued. Chinese demand remains surprisingly resilient against the backdrop of overall cautious discretionary spend.

Now let's turn our attention to nonwovens. Also in nonwovens, tariffs play a major role, where particularly Chinese sellers are looking for alternative outlets for volumes so far going into the U.S.

End markets show high resiliency with a relatively stable consumer demand. The trend towards less plastics is ongoing and the carbon footprint and other sustainability credentials are increasing, becoming a differentiator for nonwoven manufacturers in France and also driving interest for more sustainable fibers.

Now let's have a look at the fiber prices on the Chinese market. Again, a reminder, the prices shown on this slide are generic market prices.

Lenzing prices are mainly traded at a premium and the current share of specialties is at over 90%. However, the generic market prices shown here do give an indication of the price development in the fiber market.

Let's start with viscose. Generic viscose prices in China performed relatively stable in the first quarter.

However, over the course of the full first half year, prices softened by about minus 7% in local currency or minus 6% in dollar terms as geopolitical uncertainties and protectionist measures, particularly regarding the U.S. trade policy affected export prospects for the Chinese textile and apparel industry.

The situation on the cotton market was also challenging in the first half of 2025. For the ongoing '24-'25 season, the worldwide harvest is expected somewhat above consumption, leading to a moderate increase in stocks.

While prices were less volatile than last year, they remain under pressure due to macro effects. The pressure on dissolving pulp prices increased and imported hardwood DWP prices declined by minus 18% in dollar terms.

However, to note, we don't see this as a structural development, but more of a short-term reaction in the current environment. In the beginning of the third quarter, we already saw a reversal of the downward trend with DWP prices increasing back to above USD 800 per tonne, mainly based on increase in viscose operating rates in China.

Let's move to the cost side. Energy and chemical costs remained much higher than historical levels, but at least cost pressures for some input materials somewhat decreased in quarter 2 compared to first quarter.

Geopolitical developments around Russia and Ukraine as well as colder-than-expected weather in the beginning of the year drove European gas prices higher before the situation eased in the second quarter and reduced demand weighed on Southeast Asian coal prices. Caustic soda prices remained high across regions and even increased in Europe, but weakened somewhat in Asia.

Even with a slight improvement in the second quarter, both energy and chemical costs remain on high levels. Let's talk about our performance program, which you are quite familiar with.

The relevant markets for us still show no signs of a sustainable recovery with specially generic fiber prices continuing to remain under pressure. It is, therefore, even more important that we continue to focus on this holistic performance program.

The program initiatives are primarily aimed at generating free cash flow and improving EBITDA through strengthened sales and margin growth as well as sustainable cost excellence. A reminder, it consists of 3 pillars: profitable top line growth with full focus on margin improvement, cost excellence in all we do and free cash flow generation.

The overall impact of the program should result in significant positive free cash flow going forward. And let's look at the second point of our program, cost excellence, which remains a key pillar of our performance program.

In 2024, we already realized over EUR 130 million in cost savings, and we expect cost savings to further increase to annual cost savings of more than EUR 180 million for this year. We are clearly well on track to meet this target as well.

To make it clear, we're talking about our recurring targets with an ongoing impact beyond this year as well. Progress continues to be good in the areas of product costs and quality through intelligent efficiency improvement measures.

Successes have also been achieved in purchasing through operational and strategic measures. And looking ahead, the holistic performance program is expected to continue to improve manufacturing costs and to leverage further cost potential, particularly in the area of overhead functions.

At the same time, the structural and process improvements addressed will lead to positive effects on sales and margin generation. We can certainly be satisfied with our success so far, but there are still improvement areas ahead of us in order to maximize our full potential.

A new colleague, Georg Kasperkovitz, took over the management of the company while fiber production sites and Lenzing. He will also advance the ongoing performance program and as a consequence, operational cost excellence and the transformation of the company as a whole.

And with this, I hand over now to Nico Reiner for an update on financials.

Nico Reiner

Thank you, Rohit, and a warm welcome from my side as well. Despite continuously challenging markets, we were able to increase both our revenues and our margins in the first half of 2025, thanks to the measures that we have taken actively.

Revenue increased by EUR 30 million in the first 6 months compared to the first half of 2024 and reached EUR 1.34 billion. EBITDA increased by EUR 104 million to EUR 269 million as the number of CO2 certificates helped continued to increase in 2024, we decided to sell some of them in the amount of EUR 30.6 million in the first 6 months of this year, which positively impacted the EBITDA.

Depreciation was at EUR 160 million, leading to an EBIT of EUR 109 million, which compares to EUR 19 million in the first half of 2024. Income taxes amounted to EUR 7 million compared to EUR 43 million in the first half of 2024, and the financial result was minus EUR 87 million compared to minus EUR 41 million in the first half of 2024.

As a result, there was a loss of EUR 35 million for Lenzing shareholders, which compares to a loss of EUR 71 million in the first half of 2024. Let's move to the next slide.

Looking now at cash flow. Trading working capital decreased by 2% compared to the end of the first quarter.

Our objective is to have the right balance. I would say that levels at the end of June were a bit on the high side, and we aim to further reduce it.

With regards to CapEx, Lenzing continues to put a clear focus on maintenance and license to operate projects as part of its performance program and CapEx remained on low levels of EUR 29 million in Q2, 11% down compared to Q1. As a result, unlevered free cash flow increased by 24% to EUR 49 million.

That was not as high as in the second quarter 2024, particularly impacted on one-offs. We clearly continue to have a very clear focus on cash flow.

Let's move to the balance sheet. On the left side of the slide, we show the development of net financial debt.

It came down by 4% to about EUR 1.4 billion. On the right side, you see the development of our liquidity cushion.

It increased by EUR 335 million compared to the end of last quarter due to the successful refinancing with the syndicated loan. However, this does not include the impact of the new hybrid as the successful placement took place at the beginning of the third quarter.

Let us look at the impact of the new hybrid on the next slide. The successful placement of the new hybrid bond marks another milestone in the professional and forward-looking management of our capital structure following the EUR 545 million syndicated loan secured in May this year.

As you can see here, on a pro forma basis, the liquidity cushion, including the new hybrid increased to over EUR 1.1 billion. With this step, we have essentially secured our financing through 2027 and can continue to fully focus on executing and successful performance program aimed at improving margins and free cash flow.

With this, I hand back to you, Rohit. Thank you.

Rohit Aggarwal

Thank you, Nico. We now come to the outlook.

I can clearly say that thanks to our performance program, the operational performance in the first half 2025 was solid despite the still challenging market environment in the second quarter. We assume relatively stable demand in pulp and have a cautious outlook on the generic fiber market development in the second half of 2025, and we expect energy and raw material costs to remain on elevated levels.

However, market visibility remains very low, and this has further intensified due to the ongoing high uncertainties in global tariff situation. While the market has not helped so far, we are not waiting on tailwinds from it.

We continue to take the future in our own hands, and we expect operational results to continue to be positively impacted by the performance program. And therefore, we keep the expectation for EBITDA in the 2025 financial year to be higher than in the previous year.

With this, I will hand over back to the operator for the Q&A.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Christian Faitz, Kepler Cheuvreux.

Christian Faitz

Two questions, please, if I may. First, your free cash flow is on a pretty good trajectory.

Congrats on that. Would you be able to provide us a free cash flow guidance for the remainder of the year?

And then my second question is, can you tell us a bit about the current capacity utilization in your plants?

Rohit Aggarwal

Thank you, Christian. So with regards to free cash flow, I will hand this to Nico, please.

Nico Reiner

Yes. Hi, Christian.

So on free cash flow, look, as you have rightly mentioned, we are on a very good trajectory when it comes to free cash flow development over the last quarters. And our key topic is that we want to continue quarter-on-quarter delivering positive free cash flows.

And so therefore, this is the only comment what I can give to you. As you also know that we are not guiding on free cash flow development, but the ambition and the clear target, as I mentioned, is there.

Christian Faitz

Then the next question is regards to capacity utilization. This one is for you, Rohit.

Rohit Aggarwal

Yes. Thank you, Christian.

I think the -- as you know, I will not be able to give you any specific answer on percentage terms. But the way I would kind of give you a bit of color to it is that quarter 1, we were running pretty much at capacity.

Starting April through the tariff situation, we did see a dip in April on demand, and we have been adjusting our supply and capacity utilization to reflect the demand in quarter 2. We did see May and June recovering to better levels.

And therefore, we continue to monitor the situation very closely and adjusting our demand and supply very closely to reflect the current market situation. We -- what we have done, which I can share with you is that our ability to now make decisions is on a weekly basis than what would be a normal monthly basis cycle.

So we are tracking and we've seen also -- if I look at the industry capacity situation in China, we have seen that it dipped again in April, but we've seen a bit of recovery since then again. So I think, hopefully, if the market uncertainty would settle, we should start to see a further recovery in that sense.

Operator

Our next question comes from Patrick Steiner, ODDO BHF.

Patrick Steiner

Two from my side. Firstly, can you give us more information on current fiber volume demand development?

Do you see meaningful recovery from the tariff shock in April or volume level is still below Q1 at the moment? And the second one would be, I mean, we've seen dissolving wood pulp prices decline quite significantly.

Do you see this as some kind of leading indicator for further price declines in standard [ viscosive ] fibers?

Unidentified Company Representative

Thank you, Patrick, for your questions. So the first one with regards to the development of the fiber -- fiber sales, how we are there.

Rohit, please?

Rohit Aggarwal

Yes, Patrick, thank you for the question. And again, the way I would describe it is that the quarter 1 for us was pretty strong, and we were ahead of our plans for quarter 1 in terms of volumetric sales.

As we kind of discussed, the big change in quarter 2 because of tariff situation and uncertainty led April to be a bit of -- a kind of a drop significantly. The industry went into a bit of a pause mode.

But then since then, May and June, we have started to see markets recover, and we have seen our volumes starting to get back up again. We still kind of -- if you look at our change overall in the first half, if you look at quarter 1 being normal and strong, most of the impact has been in quarter 2, so which is reflected around about a 5% deviation overall compared to last year.

So -- but I hope that would mean that we have seen the bottom of the cycle. And if no further uncertainties happen, then that's sort of the level we hope to see improve going forward as well.

As far as the prices are concerned, now we did see the dissolving wood pulp prices fall sharply in line with the demand and supply situation, particularly in China. But what we are seeing now is that the market has reached what we think is the bottom.

We think the prices are stable at around $800. And therefore, that bottom has been reached, which will start to then hopefully go further north from there as the demand situation starts to get better.

So that would be the characterization. Do we think the corresponding prices would then be reflected in the fiber prices?

We're certainly hoping so.

Operator

The next question comes from Sebastian Bray, Berenberg.

Sebastian Christian Bray

Congratulations on good results in trying circumstances. I had 2, please.

The first is on the longer-term tax rate for the group. From memory, the Thai lyocell plant received quite favorable tax treatment for about 10, 12 years or so.

I can't remember the exact rate, but it's been a while since the group was consistently printing profit before tax high enough to have a normalized tax rate. What would you think if things go well, would be a figure for tax as we move into '26, '27?

Are we talking mid- to low 20s percent or a little bit higher than that? And my second question is on the valuation adjustments on Brazilian forestry assets.

These have started to ease now. They're not as significant as they have been in previous years.

Is there any publicly available index of forestry or other assets that we can look to, to see how this adjustment may develop in future? My thinking being it might not always remain positive, particularly if Brazilian exports come under some tariff pressure in coming years.

Rohit Aggarwal

Thank you, Sebastian. So first question with regards to our assumption with regards to a normalized tax rate for the upcoming years.

Nico, this one is for you.

Nico Reiner

Yes. Thank you, Sebastian.

Yes, you are totally right. As I mentioned already in our last call, there have been quite some impacts in our tax rate, especially with the year ending 2024, which was, let's say, caused by strong FX impacts and also coming from the situation of our Brazilian joint venture.

The topic you are mentioning here on the situation in Thailand is not so much impacting us. But overall, the topic coming from Brazil had a higher influence in our tax rate, especially by the end of 2024.

But when it comes to the picture, how it would look like the tax rate going forward into the future, your assumption that you have taken low 20s to mid-20s is probably going into the right direction.

Sebastian Christian Bray

Valuation of the biological assets in Brazil, if there's any kind of publicly available information that could help as a kind of a guideline for these valuations. Can you give us any input?

Nico Reiner

Yes. Thank you.

Also this question. What we see from a structural change in markets in Brazil, yes, you are right that there is some impact coming from the tariff situation, especially when it comes to export from pulp and so on.

But overall, structurally, even which is deeper in the market is the overall situation when it comes to the demand for wood. And the demand for wood in Brazil itself is still relatively high.

Especially if you think about the projects that are going on. So therefore, we are more than satisfied on the price structure of the forestry.

But nevertheless, it is also very difficult for us to give you an index, which you have been requesting for on the price development of forestry and wood in Brazil. This is something what is very difficult to project.

So therefore, we cannot comment on this topic. But from a structural point of view, we still see a relatively high demand on wood.

Yes, on a short-term basis, there's the impact from the tariffs, maybe, but also in regards to this topic, I think or we think the last word is not spoken as Mr. Trump is changing his mind on a daily basis.

Operator

Our next question comes from Sebastian Growe, BNP Paribas.

Sebastian Growe

I was only able to join the call some months ago. So I apologize if my questions have already been answered.

So I have 2 questions.

Nico Reiner

Can you come a little bit closer to the micro, please, Sebastian, that would be helpful.

Sebastian Growe

I'm trying hard. I'm speaking up.

I'm speaking more slowly. Is it any better now?

Nico Reiner

Thank you. Yes.

I appreciate it.

Sebastian Growe

So I was just saying that I joined the call a little later. So apologies in advance should my questions have already been answered.

The 2 questions I have are around the net financial result to start with. I do understand that you don't guide on financing costs, but considering really the material fluctuations between quarters that we have seen and now it's almost EUR 50 million in the second quarter.

I guess investors would really appreciate if you could provide a certain update on that front, what to expect, what to model basically in the second half or then also going to '26? And the other question I have is on the market outlook vis-a-vis the countermeasures or the performance program.

So we have seen apparently the uncertainty for fiber end markets remaining high, the tariffs and whatever. But against the backdrop and the holistic performance program still being ongoing, I was a bit surprised to see [ staff ] levels going up a bit on the quarter-on-quarter comparison.

So my question ultimately is, how are you thinking about the need for further cost measures at this point?

Rohit Aggarwal

So thank you, Sebastian. First question was with regards to the financial results, if we can give any kind of indication what to expect for the second half of this year and maybe also 2026.

Nico, please?

Nico Reiner

Yes. Sebastian, in regards to the financing cost, if you look into it, the trajectory is relatively clear.

You have seen in 2024 high impacts coming from [ FD ] side, also impacts coming from the full refinancing of LDC. What you also see now in 2025 is still FX topics impacting the financing structure.

But also what you can see the financing of our syndicated loan and also of the hybrid impacted that. So overall financing costs should go into normalized situation over the next quarter as we are not doing on a quarterly or even yearly basis, such heavy refinancing activities.

And so therefore, it should normalize going forward.

Sebastian Growe

And normalized -- sorry for asking that question so straightforwardly, but normalized would mean anywhere around EUR 30 million- ish on a quarterly basis or above -- slightly above EUR 100 million on an annualized basis, just to get it right.

Nico Reiner

As you also rightly said, we are not guiding on financing costs. But look, your calculations might be in the right direction.

So that would be the comment I could give to you.

Rohit Aggarwal

On the other part of the question?

Sebastian Growe

So the second question was with regards to the performance program, if there's more to come or what our plan is with this regards, looking also at the development of staff levels.

Rohit Aggarwal

Yes. So Sebastian, thanks for the question.

Clearly, our performance program is an ongoing program to look at various levers that allow us to continue to expand our margins and create improving free cash flows. Now we continue to assess and we continue to evaluate our delivery of the performance program as it's been running so far.

And there's a constant process of looking at various other initiatives that we can bring on and add to the performance program as we go forward. Now what is uncertain is how the world will shape up in the next 6 months to 18 months.

And therefore, to bring enough resilience in Lenzing's performance, our financial stability is to ensure that we are not excluding any further developments on the cost side and further enhancing our efforts on the market side. So at this stage, what I would say is nothing is done and nothing is excluded and all options are currently being evaluated.

Operator

The next question comes from Lars Vom-Cleff, Deutsche Bank.

Lars Vom-Cleff

Two, if I may. The first one is, I mean, I understand the demand fluctuations for textile markets, but are you seeing any difference in demand for viscose fibers versus other fiber types?

What I'm trying to find out is whether our hope that oil-based fibers could markedly be replaced by environmentally friendly fibers rather shorter than later is currently endangered by the still muted demand and that customers rather take the cheaper fibers for the time being.

Unidentified Company Representative

So the line was not very clear, Lars, if I understood correctly, what we expect in terms of demand or if we see a difference in demand development between viscose fibers and the more premium kind of fiber types that we have in our portfolio.

Rohit Aggarwal

Yes. So, thank you for that question.

And what we are seeing is, obviously, our specialty in premium fibers is where our focus is, where our expertise is, and that's where we are looking to continuing to focus to develop the market and grow the market. Now if you look at the development in quarter 1 and quarter 2, we see that all fiber types have had a very similar trajectory from our portfolio standpoint.

And therefore, in terms of the market changes in response to the tariff situation has been pretty much universal and across the board. However, the self-help efforts that we have and our focus on our commercial strategy is still very much on allowing us to grow our premium fibers.

So I would say that it would be very difficult to differentiate if there's any deviation of demand between fiber types. And therefore, that's not something that we're seeing in a material way.

Lars Vom-Cleff

Yes, that is a helpful answer as well, but maybe let me rephrase it. Not so much standard fibers versus your specialties, but rather your wood-based fibers versus oil-based fibers.

What I'm hearing is that customers are trading down at the expense of slightly more expensive environmentally friendly fibers and that ESG rather is not playing such an important role anymore when it comes to new fashion.

Rohit Aggarwal

Lars, I mean, there are always these short-term technical situations that emerge. And I can say that there would be some reactions in the market, particular -- in a particular segment of the market, which is maybe a market where the price points are much different.

And maybe that market has got a different drive right now to ensure that consumers don't feel the price pinch. But we would say that overall, the strategic and broad directional structural change in the industry, that is not seem to be changing.

The sustainability-driven efforts by the brands across the chain remains pretty much intact. They may have been definitely shifted in focus the last couple of weeks, but we're not seeing any significant discussion on whether it's a change of direction overall.

Lars Vom-Cleff

That is helpful. Then maybe a question on dissolving wood pulp prices and your production capacity.

I mean, Brazilian plant, state- of-the-art, low production costs. With wood pulp prices coming down, have you thought about closing some of your less productive plants and rather buy dissolving wood pulp from third parties?

Would that help on the cost front?

Rohit Aggarwal

Lars, we feel that we have a fairly good and a strong cost position as far as our DWP sites are concerned. And therefore, we do not see any reason for any slowdown or stopping of the lines.

In fact, we are -- we've been running pretty full, and therefore, we do not expect any change in that strategy going forward.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that was our last question, and this concludes today's Q&A session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to CEO, Rohit Agrawal, for closing remarks.

Rohit Aggarwal

Well, thank you very much again to everybody for joining us today, and we appreciate you having interest in Lenzing's progression. Next time we're going to meet is for our quarter 3 results on November 6.

So look forward to seeing you all then. Thank you.