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Q1 FY2015 · Earnings Call TranscriptApril 21, 2015

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Antonio Velázquez-Gaztelu

Hello, good morning, everyone, and we welcome to this first results communication of investors. First of all, I'd say the results were published this morning before the market opened, and they're available on our website, enagas.es.

Antonio Velázquez-Gaztelu

Mr. Antonio Llardén, President of Enagás, is going to be leading this conference -- I'm so sorry.

So this conference will last around 20 minutes and then you'll have some time for Q&A. Thank you very much.

And I'll now give the floor to Mr. Antonio Llardé.

Antonio Llardén Carratalá

Good morning, thank you very much, Antonio. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for being here.

The results that we are going to present to you that correspond to the first 3 months of 2015, are completely in line with the objectives that have been foreseen for this trimester's results and they are on the right way to be able to fulfill the engagement that we had made for the whole year. I'm going to talk to you about the most relevant figures that you will be able to see in greater detail in the presentation.

Antonio Llardén Carratalá

The net benefit was around EUR 100.7 million, which is 1% more than we had last year. So this growth factor -- number of factors have had some impact, wherein there is a slight positive effect of exchange rate differences.

There is a contribution of international assets, mainly coming from TgP and from COGA, which made no contribution in the first quarter of 2014, and obviously the positive impact of the change of the tax rate in the company's tax.

And with regards to operating expenses, it's important to say that in homogeneous terms they are maintained. Nevertheless, as you can see on the presentation, the expenses in absolute figures grow, and this is due to fact that we've new activities that are generating expenses, but obviously, we also have more revenue.

On the other hand, during the first 3 months of the year, Enagás has invested a total of EUR 50 million, and in that sense, the most important news are the following.

On March 5, 1 month ago, we finalized the purchase of 10% of Bahia de Bizkaia Gas, BBG, for EUR 11.6 million. This purchase was done through the fund managed by the share asset and wealth management, and this allows Enagás to control 50% of the share capital of this regasification plant belonging to BBG.

The acquisition, the purchase of 30% of Saggas, is now pending the official approval of the regulatory authorities.

On the other hand, at the end of March, Enagás signed an agreement, as you very well know, with the Belgian operator Fluxys to buy jointly Swedegas, which is the owner of the high-pressure gas pipeline network in Sweden, which is also the operator of the Swedish Gas System. This investment makes up to EUR 100 million, which was paid last week on the 15th, and that are not included in this first trimester figures.

It will be included in the financial statements at the end of April.

This operation is completely in line with our 5 international investment criteria, and it enables us for the first time to operate as well in another country in the EU as a transmission system operator.

With regards to the financial position, we have to say that this is one of our main strengths, as you very well know. The main figures are the following.

First of all, there is a net financial debt as of 31st of March of EUR 4.023 billion and a liquidity of EUR 2,715,000,000. This allows us to maintain high solvency levels and to continue pursuing our investment plan without having to reduce financial flexibility.

Ever since the beginning of the exercise, we have had 2 bond submissions for a total of EUR 1 million with 8 and 10 years maturity periods, with a record low financing cost for a debt corporate issue in Spain. And this clearly shows how very well we see that the company is in capital markets.

And as a summary, and as a conclusion of our financial evolution, I have to say that we have a very low borrowing cost. We have enough liquidity to enable us to move forward and achieve our strategic objectives, and we have no major debt maturities for the next 2.5 years.

And I want to briefly tell you about the evolution of natural gas demand in our country. During this first trimester, the national demand has gone up by 6.5% when compared to 2014, which is surpassing Enagás' estimates for the entire year, which forecasted an increase of 4% to 6%.

This growth was largely due to 3 factors.

First of all, there is an increase in conventional demand. Secondly, there is a greater demand for gas to generate electricity due to the fact that there is less hydroelectric and wind generation.

And finally, there is an increase in the demand for electricity.

With regards to the next trimesters, we have to say that there is another factor that might have an influence in the demand growth, which is the fact that cogeneration had an important role during the first months of 2014, but it stopped being important during the last trimester of last year due to reasons that you already know. So in comparative terms, from the second trimester onwards, maybe the comparison that we will do from -- for 2015 with 2014 will have this positive upside as well.

With regards to the results of those -- of the first 3 months, Enagás finds itself on the right path to achieve the goals set for 2015. We have to remember that those goals are

first of all, a dividend of EUR 1.32 per share; an increase in net profit of 0.5%; a total investment of EUR 430 million; and all of this, while maintaining the company's current ratings.

With regards to the results of those -- of the first 3 months, Enagás finds itself on the right path to achieve the goals set for 2015. We have to remember that those goals are

These objectives, these targets, obviously, could be surpassed as we have seen during this first trimester due to the factors such as the cost of borrowing and the exchange rates themselves. But all of these factors obviously are variable.

So there is much to -- much here to go by still and we have to see their influence is consolidated or not. So as a conclusion, I have to say that the results of the first trimester that has just been presented to you confirm that the targets are being achieved for this year, what we wanted to do during this year.

So Enagás' emerging [ph] international footprint is allowing us to keep on growing, keep having results that grow, and we're getting dividends from the acquisitions that we made up till now.

So in that sense, we are fulfilling those objectives that we had set for us with regards to investment volume as well as profitability of those investments. On the other hand, the last bond issues and the liability management operations that have taken place have allowed us to lengthen the average maturity of our debt to diminish their estimated cost for 2015 and to optimize their maturity profile.

As we have seen, during the next 2.5 years we won't have any maturities, and that allows us to fight against the volatility of the market. So thank you for your attention, and you are most welcome.

If there are questions that you want to ask together with all of the executive team of Enagás, we will try to give you in detail answers to your questions. Thank you very much.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] First question will be asked by Javier Suarez from Mediobanca.

Javier Suarez Hernandez

I have 3 questions. The first one has to do with the line of equivalence [ph].

Obviously, if you have seen an important growth due to your international activities. My question is, could you please detail those EUR 8.9 million of equity line?

If you could tell us what the different projects that are included there are? And the second question has to do with the regulation -- or the regulators.

We read during the first quarter that there is a possibility for the regulators to review the OpEx and CapEx standards. And I wanted to know, what are the latest news with regards to the timing of this review of OpEx and CapEx standards, and when this could be applied.

And if they are modified, ones -- the new ones would be applied? And thirdly, I wanted to know your opinion with regards to creating a new regasification plant in the Canary Islands.

I think that your business plan includes this one regasification plant for 2017, and I wanted to know what's your expectations are. So apart from the one that should be opened, would you need a second plant in the Canary Island, and what would be timing for that regasification plant?

And the fourth question has to do with the last purchase that you have done with Swedegas. I wanted to know what are your synergies.

What could be the operations of Fluxys and Enagás in that -- in the situation? And could you tell us how much you have paid for this purchase?

Antonio Llardén Carratalá

Thank you very much, Mr. Suarez.

First of all, the EUR 9 million are these 3 brownfields that we have in Mexico, the regasification plant in Mexico; and Chile, the regasification plant as well. And then TgP in Peru, the big gas affect [ph] that is already working, and that's the one that was not present last year.

With regards to your second question, that has to do with standards, there are 2 clarifications to be made. First of all, there has just been a demand.

They have asked for reports done by the CNMC for the OpEx standards. There has been a request and the legislation establishes quite clearly.

I actually had a meeting with the Secretary of State a few weeks ago, talking about other issues, but we talked about this as well, and he ratified that, that is just a request for a report. When the CNMC will end its work, then the ministry will have it.

But in any case, the new legislation will -- establishes that if in 2018, that is 3 years after the beginning of the new regulation, we were to detect these alterations in the OpEx and CapEx system and this report led us to take some measures, and we would, but if not, and that's what we're expecting that there won't be any reasons to do so, then no modifications would be made. As for the second regasification plant in the Canary, it's true that the government has foreseen a second regasification plant in the Island of Gran Canaria.

You know that this is the Island where Las Palmas is the capital. And a series of decisions have to be made.

So it's still settling a series of decisions by the government of the Canaries and the interior authorities to define what the specific location will be for the regas plant to be built. And that is why we haven't included it as an OpEx or a revenue point for our 2015-2016 plan.

Our best quantification is that, if this plant were to be built during the next year or 2 next years, then it would be an investment that we would make during the 2018-2020 period. In any case, this plant, and the Tenerife plant as well, have no impact whatsoever on the revenues and income figures that we have presented on our strategic plan.

And finally, Swedegas, we have to clearly say that this investment follows -- strictly follows those 5 criteria for international investment that we apply to all of our investments with regards to profitability, with regards to core business, with regards to company's control, partners and so on. So from that point of view, there is nothing else to be said, because it really fits our standards.

And as for synergies, the most important thing for us and for Fluxys, the other partner, is that the development plan for this company will now mainly be focused on building a regas plant in the Baltic Sea and the use of natural -- liquid natural gas for small-scale operations. So in that field, we are much experienced, and our partner, Fluxys, is experienced as well.

So that is one of the factors that leads us to thinking that Swedegas, which is a solid company, could have a future development in this field, where they had done nothing so far. And as for the multiples that have to be used here, I think that is quite simple.

We have to use PER, and if we compare the cost of the company to the benefits that it will provide us with, then this company has a PER that is even more reduced than Enagás' one. So we thought it was a very good investment.

So thank you very much and we're -- other questions are welcomed.

Operator

The next question will be asked by Carolina Dores from Morgan Stanley.

Carolina Dores

I have 2 questions to ask. The first one has to do with your expenses -- your operational expenses.

I think that the EBIT and EBITDA are a bit higher than what it -- a bit lower, sorry, than what was expected for this year. But the net benefit and the net revenues are in line.

So the equity income might have a stronger performance and the OpEx might have a weakest performance. Is that what we expect, or could be that they improve in the next trimesters?

And I also wanted to ask about the assets in Swedegas [ph]. Will there be a contribution to the net benefit of EUR 2 million in line with what we expect for the dividend?

Antonio Llardén Carratalá

Thank you very much, Carolina. I'm going to give the floor to our Chief Financial Officer, Borja García-Alarcón, so that he may answer both questions.

Borja, please.

Borja García-Alarcón

Good morning, Carolina. As the President said, the EBITDA as well as the EBIT and the benefit after taxes is in line with what we expected.

It's true that the EBITDA has shown that there are more expenses than last year, so we will see an improvement through the year. But the main message is the figures are the ones that we expected for the year.

And as far as Swedegas contribution to the P&L, we have only told you what the dividend contribution will be, but the contribution to the P&L is -- will have to be calculated when we do the final classification. That's when we will communicate the info.

But right now, what we have is the information that we have shared with you.

Antonio Llardén Carratalá

Thank you very much. More questions please?

Operator

Next question comes from Olivier Van Doosselaere from Exane.

Olivier Van Doosselaere

I also have 2. Just wanted to come back on the operating expenses line.

As you mentioned, they're actually -- they're staying flat, if you look at, let's say, constant scope level, but you also mentioned that actually has less capitalization because of a lower activity. And I guess, the question would be, given that the investment needs are so much coming down domestically in Spain relative to where they were in the last years, is there actually another scope to actually reduce operating expenses on an absolute level?

And the second question for us, actually on the international part again, how much more new projects do you expect to get and to make in order to reach your full year EUR 430 million of investment guidance? And in which regions and which countries do you at the moment see most of the projects pipeline of what you're looking at today?

Antonio Llardén Carratalá

Thank you very much, Rick [ph]. First of all, I have to be clear that our objective has been to try and maintain the OpEx without cost increase.

Let us think that in Spain though, in the future, we might invest less or very little. It's clear the OpEx is mainly the management of the grid, and the grid's right now in Spain.

We might have about EUR 7 billion or EUR 8 billion that we have to maintain for the coming 25 years. So the objective is not to reduce this, because we're investing less, but it is already a positive objective to be able to have it flat -- have the OpEx flat.

We must not forget that the global figure of OpEx that you see is not only as a consequence of our activity in Spain, but also because of our international activity. And that's why we are proud to say that we are having the OpEx flat, despite the fact that our global activity is growing, and growing at a major pace.

On the other side, regarding the new projects that we are studying, I have to clearly get back to the 5 criteria and then 3 investment assets [ph]. Five criteria, they explain [ph] that we have set to make sure that the investment is profitable, adequate, pertinent.

And the 3 assets [ph] that you might remember that I won't repeat in order not to bore you. We've got 3 investment assets [ph] in our strategic plan.

All our projects that we study have to fit in one of these 3 assets [ph]. If they do fit, of course, we can go at it.

If they don't fit, it will be left out. More specifically, what are the kind of projects that we have got under a more thorough or more immediate study?

Well, for confidentiality matters that we are obliged to follow, we cannot tell you anything. But I can tell you that if in any moment in time we do have a new investment, it will be done following these strict 5 criteria.

Regarding the kind of investment, it will be set within 1 of the 3 assets [ph] that we have included in our strategic plan.

Operator

Next question comes from Antonella Bianchessi from Citi.

Antonella Bianchessi

Yes, just a very quick question on your debt. Can you just elaborate if you plan to refinance additional and to issue additional bonds over the next few months?

Antonio Llardén Carratalá

Thank you very much for your question. The CFO will answer to you.

Borja García-Alarcón

As the President said, we have no maturity coming in 2.5 years. The debt situation during -- for maturities and the mid-life -- average life and cost are optimum.

So we don't intend to make any additional alteration of liability management. Thank you very much.

Operator

And there are no further questions. Thank you.