Vlad Suglobov
Good morning and welcome, everyone to G5’s First Quarter 2021 Results Call, which is happening in our virtual office in Stockholm, where the company is headquartered. My name is Vlad Suglobov, I'm CEO of G5 Entertainment.
And with me here on this call is also our CFO, Stefan Wikstrand. And we'll take about 15 minutes to go through the deck and the presentation of the first quarter results and then we will open the line for Q&A.
So let's move on to the Slide with our first quarter highlights. And I'd like to summarize the quarter by saying that we continued to deliver on our strategy and that it is clearly paying off.
We delivered record earnings and strong growth momentum, which continues to point to a record breaking 2021. Our top-line growth momentum is driven by our new generation of games and it obviously contributed to delivering record earnings.
Our gross margin was 59% that is an increase from previous quarters and also from 57% a year ago. Our EBIT reached almost SEK 60 million, which is another quarterly record for the company.
And our EBIT margin was 18.3%, which is also a record. Our earnings grew 54% year-over-year, which is quite remarkable.
And if you look at the structure of our revenue, our wholly-owned games grew to over 63% of total revenue, which is up from about 45% of federal revenue in 2020. So there's progress there.
And in the previous quarter, it was at about 61%. So there's further development to generate more revenue with internally developed games.
So if we break down our revenue a bit more, we'll see that the top-line increased 22% in USD terms compared to last year, it is important to remember that we do not really have any revenue in Swedish currency and U.S. is our largest market at 60% in the first quarter.
So the fundamental growth is best measured in USD terms. So it was plus 22%.
Our own games continued to grow. And they were up 68% year-over-year and 3%, quarter-to-quarter.
This is also a USD terms. So and if we dig deeper, and we look at the new generation of our games, which were at least in the last two years, we'll see that the year-over-year growth was actually even stronger 197%.
In Swedish kronor terms, we went from having SEK 54 million from these games in the first quarter last year to SEK 141 million in the first quarter this year. And this is very strong and obviously purely organic performance.
So during the quarter, we released only one new game genre called Empire Blast. It is now in the soft launch mode, accordingly, we have five more games remaining in the pipeline for 2021.
We're still working on them. That's that.
Well, these new games are still on the way to the market. We are very confident in the performance of our new generation of games.
We have some strong growth points there. Specifically, if you look at the recently released Sherlock game, it's doing really well and the Jewels Family of games is performing very, very well.
They were the primary contributors to quarter-to-quarter growth. And we continue to improve the efficiency of deploying our user acquisition funds by improving our M.A.R.S.
user acquisition suite of tools. And you can see that we have achieved the growth of the top-line that we have achieved plus 22%, while spending 18% less on user acquisition compared to last year.
This was again, is a validation of our strategy. Validation of our focus on internally developed games where we don't pay royalty and which obviously improves our gross margins and EBIT margins, but also our focus on building out and improving our user acquisition processes to acquire customers of higher quality in a more efficient way into our great internal and developed games.
So this is clearly working. If we look at the audience KPIs, our monthly active users were up about 18%, year-over-year, and there was a strong development in the monetization metric that we used monthly average gross revenue per paying user, it was up more than 25%.
So very strong result there. And the development and monetization and the audience metrics reflects the growth of higher monetizing Match-3 games as a percentage of our total revenue and the improved quality of the audience that our user acquisition brings.
The slight decline in the number of monthly paying users is more of an aberration and it's best to look at it over a longer period of time and compare year-over-year. It's negligible.
So basically, it's a consequence of the shift in user acquisition strategy, which evolves over time. And it's a result of higher monetizing games occupying a larger percentage of our total revenue generation.
So let me talk a bit more about our Q1 figures and move on to the next slide. Revenue of SEK 326 million terms grew about 5% compared to last year.
But largely it is a relevant figure if you want to understand the underlying fundamental dynamic, which as I explained, was 22% in USD terms, and we don't really have revenue in Swedish currency. So U.S.
is the largest market again. So this is probably the best currency to look at the fundamental growth and its dynamic.
So we have achieved that result plus 22% in revenue while spending 18% less on user acquisition. Admittedly, the UA spend in the quarter was on the lower side.
But still, it is quite a statement I think and it validates the strategy both in terms of organic portfolio performance and more efficient user acquisition. And as I mentioned, before, a growth of our new generation games drove expansion of our games revenue share to over 63% of total revenue, up from 45%, for the full year 2020.
I mentioned the strong performance of the new generation of games 197%, year-over-year. Sherlock which is -- I keep talking about Sherlock, but this game in March made 6% of our revenue.
And in April, it already generated 7% of our revenue. And in April, it became the third largest game for us bi-monthly revenue.
So it's now only behind Hidden City and Jewels of Rome and it continues its steady growth. And we are able to deploy more and more user acquisition funds every month into scaling, the audience, increasing the audience of Sherlock.
So I'm quite excited about this title. And as well as the Jewels of Family of game Sherlock kind of creates this core of our new generation of games that really power the growth.
So that's about a new generation of games and own games. And if we look at the licensed games, we'll look at Hidden City, obviously, which is the largest.
And still number one game in any given month by revenue for us. There was a actually a stabilization during the first quarter, and then even a slight rebound in revenue.
And I know developers went through a bit of a transition period and we supported them as much as we could. And now they've done a lot of work on the game.
They've improved the number of things and fixed the number of issues and we have actually seen that over the last few months, the audience of Hidden City started to grow again. So it's a very good development, the stabilization and the rebound of the largest game in our portfolio, which is very diversified, but still for the main game that is mature and was recently declining.
This is a very good development. Yes, and I mentioned the strong increase in the monetization per user.
Again, Match-3 games are the reason and generating more and more money from Match-3 games. And as you know, Sherlock is kind of a mash up between Hidden Object and Match-3 and it's showing really good monetization parameters as well as Hidden -- as well as the Match-3 games such as Jewels of Rome, Jewels of the Wild West, and all that part of our portfolio.
And our improved efficiency of user acquisition and focus on U.S. market where users are higher paying really created this dynamic.
And, interestingly, in the first quarter U.S. was responsible for 60% of our revenue and during the first quarter we saw that the economy of the United States is gradually reopening, the vaccinations are happening, restrictions were pulled back and reduced.
And yet, we have not really seen -- we haven't really seen any negative consequences for our business. As you can see games performed in a really strong way, we've seen really high monetization per user and positive audience dynamics.
And in addition to that, the momentum was actually peaking up through the first quarter. So there's this very interesting dynamic that we are observing.
So turning to earnings, let's talk about earnings and move on to the next slide. The operating profit was SEK 59.9 million almost 60.
And the EBITDA margin was 18.3% both record numbers for the company. Earnings per share was SEK 6.3.
So if you look at the dynamic of our earnings, its plus 54%, year-over-year. And if you look at the dynamic in earnings per share, it's even higher than that, which reflects the buybacks that that we've done last year and this year, which basically made shareholders without doing anything, owners of a larger percentage of the company.
That's why this amplified dynamic and earnings per share. So these strong earnings were fundamentally driven by the strong gross margin of 59%, continuing our long-term trend of expanding margins and as a larger share is coming from owned games.
And to a smaller extent, at this point, new segments like advertising G5 store, also providing revenue with no associated store fees. Our owned games, especially the new generation of games, including the Sherlock that I keep talking about continue to maintain growth momentum, supporting the leverage or business model has driving margin expansion.
Also EBIT margin was positively impacted by relatively weak Russian ruble and Ukrainian currency, as well as higher to [indiscernible] ratio. User acquisition costs, as I mentioned, we're on the lower side down to 17% of revenue.
And that's quite a decrease from 22% in the first quarter last year. I think going forward, I mean, 17%, is clearly on the low side.
So it would be reasonable to expect us to spend more going forward than less, we want to be predictable, we want to stay within this range of the last year, somewhere between 17% to 22%, 23%, of user acquisition. We need this flexibility to allow ourselves to go at -- to really put money into growth opportunities that we see when we see them.
But it's a dynamic market. And it's a dynamic ecosystem.
So dependent situation can go up and down and sometimes we may want to do scale down a little bit to show to allow ourselves to have larger EBIT. And at some points, we may decide to put a little bit more money to work if we see great opportunities and great return on investment.
And as you know, in the fall of 2019, we've changed the management and our marketing department. And since then, a lot of work has been done to make our user acquisition much more optimal.
So we are now reaping the benefits of that work that was done over, pretty long time, now it's a year and a half in work, it took a year and a half to get to where we are, right. And it's still, in some ways only beginning because the ecosystem is very dynamic.
A lot of things are changing all the times we're trying new channels, we're trying new models, we're trying new approaches. And the work continues and there's still a lot of work ahead and a lot of potential remains in that part of our business.
So we make sure that our team is well staffed that works on these tools, and we make sure that they are continually developed and improved. So I would lower UA spend basically is the result of the work of these guys.
We are really proud of them and the people who drive this change in the company. And so I want to say thank you to them, if they're listening, as well as all the other team members.
We have a lot of -- we have -- we've brought on a lot of new people in our marketing team, we've strengthened our user acquisition teams substantially and also brought more marketing specialists and specialists in all areas of more of mobile marketing. And they've done a really great job turning things around.
And the development teams have done an amazing job over the last couple of years especially and continue to do so while working from home, mostly. So I want to say thank you very much to all of our -- all of our employees, which are no more than 750.
So let's move on to the next slide and talk about the cash flow. We had a strong operating cash flow and strong cash conversion during the quarter, which made us reach a record cash position, despite buybacks that we did and we repurchased those shares for SEK 34 million, which was back about 1% of our shares in the first quarter.
Capitalized development expenses were about SEK 35 million. And all in all, total cash flow in the quarter was SEK 25.1 million and cash at the end of the period was a record amount for us SEK 250 million.
So we are well prepared to the outflows in connection with the dividend. That is going to be very happening very soon.
Let's move on to the next slide and talk about the outlook for the rest of the year, we expect to see the fundamental trends that we've seen over the last few quarters to continue. As I said, growth momentum during the first quarter was actually picked steam for new generation of games.
And despite the fact that 60% of revenue came from USA, which was reopening. So it's a good sign, we expect that to continue to happen because it's difficult to expect something else when you see that this is what is happening.
And even Hidden City stabilized and started to show signs of rebound. So that's good.
We expect the revenue share from our new generation of games to continue to increase and to continue to be the catalyst of growth. These games remain this engine at the core of the company.
And we put a lot of attention to these games and their development and making sure that they get all attention. And we can realize their potential, both from the development and marketing perspective.
And usually inherent leverage of our business model, this expansion of revenue from own games will continue to improve our gross margin and our EBIT margin. And, I'm really proud of our development teams and our marketing teams as well, now that 63% of our revenue is coming from our own game titles that were not even -- 63 includes all older own games.
I think the new generation of games is now about 43%. But that's the largest segment of revenue for the company.
And two years ago, it was non-existent. And this amount of work that the teams have done both in terms of development and marketing is really amazing.
It was all organic development from inside the company. So we didn't have to buy any companies or studios to do that.
And that just makes it all more remarkable that we were able to pull that and that they were able to do that. And so to me, this is a clear proof of a successful strategy and putting our focus on internal development and bringing in really smart people into our marketing and allowing them to do what they thought is necessary to do.
So again, I want to say thank you to all of our employees, they've done a great job. So I mentioned, yes, I did talk about the Hidden City situation, and we are really proud of our work with external local studios and with other developers, and with -- they're really talented and we are happy to be there for them to provide our services or knowledge or know-how and marketing and I'm happy that we were able to turn the situation with a Hidden City around and actually see an increase in this mature game that has been gradually declining, as I said many times over many quarters.
But now suddenly, it's looking in other direction, obviously not so suddenly for everyone else, as there was a lot of work put into both the game and improving user acquisition for the game. So that's really good.
So our portfolio at this point is very well balanced and it's more diversified than it has ever been before. The total size of our portfolio is now 31 games and 14 of those are new generation games.
As I mentioned, we see strong performance from recent releases such as Sherlock, I'm confident that we have enough powder in these growth points to take us through the rest of the year. But then on top of that, we also have new games coming to the market.
So I already spoke about the M.A.R.S user acquisition tools. I think that it is -- it isn't really, I don't think at this point that I will at some point in the future say that we've done our work with user acquisition and there's nothing else to do there.
I think that we're always in the situation where there's still a roadmap of work, that is one year, at least one year from now, because of all the things that we should have already done and all the new things that we can do. So I wouldn't be really surprised if we ever get to the situation where the work is done and accomplished.
So to me, it's good news, it means that we are on the right track that we are at the -- getting closer to the edge of competitiveness in this difficult market. And we expect to continue to work on these tools that continue to improve our efficiency and user acquisition and the roadmap is really long.
As I've mentioned in the report, there is this new segment of revenue, which is still very small advertising revenue that we make from putting third-party ads in our games, together with G5 store revenue. And G5 store is basically giving the ability to players download our games from our website directly to their computers, or to play our games within their browser, right from our website.
So these two tiny pieces of revenue together exceeded 1% of our net revenue for the first time. And while it's really small amount, the great thing is that it drops all the way to EBIT line, right, and 1% in EBIT is a bit more interesting.
So this revenue doesn't have any associated store fees and processing fees for payments in G5 stores are very small. And the growth dynamic in G5 store is actually very interesting and it's steady and it's there every month and it's quite strong.
So we expect this revenue segment to continue to grow steadily this year and positively affect our margin. So you can expect a few more percentage points, just from that.
And then a couple of days ago, Microsoft announced that starting 1 August of this year, they will lower their store fees from 30% to 12%. We loved this bold move of Microsoft, this is great, they've always been a great partner to work with.
And we are committed to Windows Store. And this just reinforces our commitment to this market.
I think this is a very reasonable and sustainable rate. And again, this just makes us more motivated to work on the PC platform.
So this change that that is happening on 1 August this year, is going to have a positive effect on our gross margin, obviously, and EBIT margin as well, already this year, starting third quarter partially and then in full in the fourth quarter. So and if we look, if we zoom out a little bit to us, this is in another sign of the gradual reduction of store fees under market pressure.
So I'm not saying that very soon, we will see similar things happening with other stores, I think it's going to take time, but it is certainly a long-term trend for the benefit of the whole industry. And I think it would be right for the stores to do that.
And it will be beneficial for everyone in the industry and for the stores themselves. With this particular change with Windows Store, it's interesting because we have 17 games in the top 90 grossing games on Windows Store.
So we may actually be one of the largest beneficiaries in the world from this store fee change, which makes us very, very excited. And, again, we'll continue working on this platform into the future.
And it's very important for us. So all in all, I'm very proud of the strong accomplishments by the whole G5 team in this quarter and the few [indiscernible] before this quarter and I'm excited about the prospects of this year and beyond.
So this concludes my presentation. And now I would like to open the call for questions.
A - Stefan Wikstrand
And as you can see, you can either raise your hands if you want to ask a question verbally or you can type it in the box. I see we have some hands raised.
I will start though with one of the written questions that came in early. [Sam Mathias] [ph] from SEB has asked about --could you provide guidance or sense around how important the Microsoft platforms are for the group?
Vlad Suglobov
We don't provide breakdown by revenue, but it is significant for us.
Stefan Wikstrand
And the follow up question from him. Is it likely that the gain from this change in price rates will be reinvested in UA?
Or should we expect high drop through on EBIT?
Vlad Suglobov
I think it's reasonable to assume that at least a part of that reduction will go towards user acquisition. And the rest will go to EBIT.
Stefan Wikstrand
Okay, let's see, shall we? We have, Jesper Birch-Jensen waiting to ask his question.
Vlad Suglobov
Yes, we have more questions actually.
Stefan Wikstrand
They are coming.
Jesper Birch-Jensen
Couple ones for me. First off, obviously, you are having a really strong momentum now, throughout the portfolio, which we saw in Q1.
But I was wondering if you have any take on it? What's it looking like in April and May compared to 2020?
I mean, given the COVID boost that was present last year?
Vlad Suglobov
I understand the question. Thank you.
So yes, there was a COVID boost last year, you can clearly see it, if you look at the quarterly performance, there's a little bit of a bump there. Which is a tougher comp, right?
When it comes to comparing our performance to the last year, in the second quarter. But as I said that growth momentum was peaking up, especially when it comes to the new generation of games it was gradually actually picking up in the first quarter.
And that's how we entered the second quarter. And as I said, we don't really see negative developments following the reopening of economies, at least we don't see it now.
Obviously, Q2, Q3 usually are seasonally weaker quarters. So, we'll see how it plays out.
It's a little bit early. It's a little bit early to say.
Jesper Birch-Jensen
Got you, thank you. Next.
I don't think anyone has missed that IDFA was implemented on 26 April, I believe. I was wondering, do you have any feeling for what the impact is like for G5 as of so far, I know, it's only like a week, but any input would be appreciated.
Vlad Suglobov
We spent the last year preparing for this, as well as the whole advertising industry and every company that we work with in advertising. So far, it's smooth sailing, I would say it's been a very short time.
But nothing snapped on the day that then when it happened. So it's so far, so good business as usual.
That's all we can say at this point, but you have to understand it's been like a week or so, right? It's only a week.
So it's difficult to say at this point, but nothing bad happened yet.
Jesper Birch-Jensen
I understand. Thank you.
Lastly, just in terms of user acquisition, obviously, with newer levels being much more stable the last year than previously. And when you set your ambition to be in this, 20% plus minus 2% range-ish?
Vlad Suglobov
I would say so, yes, we want to be predictable, but we want to leave some space for ourselves as well, depending on the situation that we see in the market. So I think 17% is clearly on the low end.
So I think we're going to spend more in the second quarter, how much more difficult to say. But again, we're going to try to stay within this reasonable range that you've already seen.
And you don't try not to make big surprises in either direction.
Stefan Wikstrand
Thanks, Jesper. Yes, I will take one under written ones.
So from one of our anonymous attendees, and asking how would the combination of relatively low barriers to entry and a lot of interest in capital invested affect the mobile games industry and G5 in the long-term? And how will G5 with that?
Vlad Suglobov
Yes, that was a great question about 10 years ago, and it remains very, very interesting question. This is a very competitive industry, I think our track record shows that when we are up against companies, which are much larger than us, we are able to adapt, find our niches find the opportunity to grow.
And that's our plan, we'll just continue to try to excel at what we do. And the market of entertainment is very dynamic there, it's very difficult for one company to permanently to gain, like a substantial market share.
They're always the tastes of users are evolving. So if you stay on top of what your users want, and you offer them entertainment that is relevant, you can continue to grow your business, as long as the underlying platform is growing and video games have been growing for the last 40 years, right?
And 20 of those years mobile games were growing faster than anything else before them. So I'm optimistic that we will continue to perform and we do deploy quite a lot of capital and user acquisition every month that we do deploy a lot of capital in making new games every month.
And we see a lot of insights. And we generate a lot of insights from users about what exactly they want and what kind of games they would like to play.
So I would say, we have certain competitive advantages, I think the barriers for entry in the market, technically, they are low, when you can buy a license, the developer license from Apple for $100. So technically, the barrier is low, right.
But then it might take you a couple of years and couple of million dollars to develop a game. And that's if you're in Eastern Europe, and then it takes you a few more million dollars to just try to market that game.
So I think that's a pretty high barrier to entry in this industry, both in terms of the time that you need to invest and the money that you need to invest. And that said, I mean, people will invest money and some companies will become very, very successful just because of the nature of the market.
I think we will get by.
Stefan Wikstrand
Okay. We have Matthew Galinko has raised his hand.
Now he's live.
Matthew Galinko
So I'm glad you mentioned Sherlock a couple of times, on your prepared remarks. So I'm curious if you see potential for other mash ups of Match-3 and Hidden Object games, as you build out your pipeline?
Vlad Suglobov
Well, it's difficult to say anything about the potential before we actually release the game into soft launch and see what happens there. So Empire Blast, which was released this year, so far is not showing, anything exciting.
So it's still work in progress. But there are other games that have been launched way earlier.
But they are kind of maturing now in the sense in terms of the amount of content and the amount of work that was put into them. So Match Town Make Over, for example, our Match-3 game is doing quite well over the last few months.
And there's an interesting positive dynamic there. Jewels of Rome, is gaining again, Jewels of the Wild West is a very stable performance, Jewels of Egypt is performing well.
Our Mahjong games are doing really well. Our market share in Mahjong games is increasing, our share in Match-3 games actually is increasing gradually as well.
Hidden Object it's more stable situation. But we have high hopes for Sherlock at this point.
So we'll see if we can really take Sherlock to levels, where the Secret Society was at its peak, and then the Hidden City was at its peak. So it will be interesting to see, if we can do that with certainly thinking in that direction.
It looks like it's a quite strong game with good performance. So we will see how it develops.
Matthew Galinko
Thanks. And then I guess as a follow up.
And you just sort of mentioned it, but I think you talked a couple quarters ago that strategies to drive better, maybe monetization of connect to style games. So any updates on that front had been able to attract better engagement or monetization or is that sort of it sounds like your focus is predominantly on Match-3 at this point?
Vlad Suglobov
By Match-2, you mean, if you mean Mahjong Solitaire games then it is our, we have three genre legs, three legs of in terms of genre, so to speak, it's Hidden Object is still number one for us by revenue. Then there's Match-3, I think it's number two.
And then Mahjong Solitaire is number three, but this is a very solid number three, that is also a kind of evergreen genre. It's a smaller market but players are very loyal and historically, we have a strong position in the genre.
We're one of the top producer of these games in the world, it remains our very important focus for us. So nothing has changed.
And trying to improve monetization in our games and add new content to our games is, it happens all the time, every month, we are working on this, every month, our studios are working on it.
Stefan Wikstrand
Okay. We have a question on how come only one game has been soft launch after five months on the games in the pipeline written from scratch?
Vlad Suglobov
Yes, well, the development of games is a very difficult business, I can tell you that. I've spent 25 years in this business.
I have seen maybe just a couple of games shipped exactly on time. So it's a very unpredictable timeline.
Usually, yes, sometimes it happens that we just launched on one game for five months. Also, keep in mind that last year, I think we launched about eight games.
And some of those games were launched late in the year in 2020. So that's a lot of work.
Teams are busy. And we said we will launch six games.
So we'll do our best to launch six games, if we ended up launching five that, honestly, that's not a big deal. But I understand it's important to you.
So we'll do our best to launch six.
Stefan Wikstrand
And then, we have the question on M&A. And if that will be a focus going forward?
Vlad Suglobov
Although it is one of our areas where we spend time, right, we've made a commitment to spend time on M&A to look into what's happening in the market to evaluate opportunities against certain benchmarks. And our bar is quite high because of all this strong organic development.
We want to make deals that are beneficial to shareholders. And, if you look at our performance, it has to be legal deal to satisfy that requirement.
But we have committed time, we've committed resources, we have analysts working, we're spending time ourselves, we're reaching out to other companies. So this is an area that we are committed to looking at.
And then, what happens, happens, but there's nothing that we can talk about right now.
Stefan Wikstrand
Now, we have another question from [Mathias] [ph] SEB. As the strong results from the work with user acquisition platform, how do you view the potential opportunity to expand the publishing business which then could potentially also be used as a scouting ground for acquisition of companies for games?
Or are there any conflicting notions in such a growth track versus your overarching strategy?
Vlad Suglobov
Well, we are still in the publishing business, right? We still publish games by other developers.
We have one game in the pipeline for this year that is a licensed game from a third party developer, it is actually launching relatively soon. So yes, it's certainly an advantage for us.
It is certainly a value for independent developers to publish their games through us because they can use our resources in marketing and user acquisition or existing audience. Our ability to cross sell to our large audience, if the genre feed, if the demographic feed is good.
There's a strong value proposition to third-party developers to publish their games with us. That's why we see ourselves -- we still see ourselves in this business.
And we still see making new deals in this area, although not at the scale that we did before. And that's important because we ourselves know how to make great games, as you can see from the performance of our new generation of games.
So in order to make this deal, we want to see games that are quite unique, something that we do not ourselves do or an interesting take on the genres that we are involved in that we wouldn't want to test ourselves. But which sounds like an interesting idea to test out.
So in these cases, we can still do a licensing or publishing deal. And you'll see a game come out relatively soon.
That is republished under this model.
Stefan Wikstrand
Okay, so that was what we had on Q&A. But if you -- we can do a final call, if someone wants to either raise their hand or post a question in the Q&A.
Matthews back, yes,. Let's hear it.
Matthew Galinko
Hey, I appreciate you taking my follow up. Just curious about, maybe hiring plans for the year, particularly around your development team, particularly as you're seeing some efficiency on the UA front.
I'm just curious if that tips any balance towards building out, more development capacity and accelerating, game development for future years. Thanks.
Vlad Suglobov
Thank you for the question. Yes, we do continue to build out development capacity, because to start new games, we need to either give up on some of our existing games or create new teams.
So we are phasing out games that underperformed with regard to our expectations. So that frees up some resources for the development of new games.
But otherwise, we do need to create new teams. And I think our hiring pace at this point is about 100, 150 people a year, somewhere within that range.
So I think you can expect us to continue doing that more or less.
Stefan Wikstrand
Okay. Well, if nothing more, we will hand it over to Vlad for closing.
Vlad Suglobov
Yes. Thank you all for dialing in and listening to me speak and for questions.
Thank you very much for following G5. This concludes our call and have a good day.
Goodbye.