Operator
Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the SimCorp A/S First Quarter 2022 Results Presentation Conference Call.
At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there'll be a question-and-answer session.
[Operator Instructions]. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded.
[Operator Instructions]. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, CEO, Christian Kromann.
Please go ahead, sir.
Christian Kromann
Thank you very much. And good morning to everybody.
Let's get cracking. And let's go through the slides and then do the Q&A at the end of that.
So as normal. So, first and foremost, the disclaimer.
You've seen that many times before. It's always involved.
I don't think we have to take you through it. So, we're going to do the Q1 highlights.
I will do that. Then Michael will go through the financial review and the outlook, and then we will open up for Q&A.
Let's go through the Q1 highlights first. First slide where we talk about our forward-looking KPI, the AR number that we – through the last couple of quarters, as explained to you, that's the key KPI inside SimCorp.
That's how we steer from and that's also how we make investments. So, obviously, pleased to say that that's continuing a high growth rate, which is also a pretty good mirror on how our business is overall developing.
So, we see a 10.4% year-on-year increase in AR to €283.2 million. And that also corresponds to still a little bit more modest, but also a good change in our revenue signed on contract up to €356 million.
As we also discussed in the beginning of the year, we continue to track the standard KPIs, at the very least, to make sure that you also understand how the fundamentals of the business look in the traditional way. So, let's quickly go through that as well.
So, we come through Q1 with a very nice uptick on order intake. Some of it is linked to some renewals, but some of it is also linked to generally new business, both in terms of net new business out of existing customers, but also two new SimCorp Dimension customers were signed and actually one SimCorp Sofia customers was signed in Q1.
There was a few extra customers coming through that I will also talk a little bit about later in a slightly different context. That leads to a traditional revenue growth of 4.3%, which I guess is exactly what we expected inside SimCorp, almost on krone, and realize we would say in Denmark on budget.
So, it is pretty much a normal Q1 where you're dusting off a little bit after the party in Q4 and then getting ready to build new pipeline for another party in the later part of the year. So, nothing has really changed there from a license point of view.
EBIT lands at €15.5 million. That's relatively a direct function of the order intake and the fact that there's a few renewals into it.
And then, we have 2.5% increase, actually, in our software maintenance, which is a good evidence that we maintain to have a very solid customer base staying and to being sticky with us. We also continue to drive growth of our professional services of just under 4% in Q1 [Technical Difficulty] free cash flow, which I know Michael will come back to in his part of the presentation.
If we clearly look at the new client integration, as I said, three customers signed in Q1, two Dimension, one Sofia. That was actually the first North American customer in quite a while, which we're quite excited about.
There will be some information coming out about this customer shortly, which is actually super exciting about a new way to approach some of the segments in North America. But that will – you would have to watch our space in a couple of weeks from now.
We've also continued to sign more business into Q2. Actually, Sofia has continued to sign more customers, but there's also more waiting in the pipe.
But I think, as a whole, H1 is expected to be a little bit slow, almost as normal, as we also talked about in the beginning. We're also continuing to sign channel play customers as part of the redistribution agreement.
And I will also quickly touch on the other announcement this morning, which is yet another initiative that brings us further into the channel play opportunity. So, we'll say, if you just count the number of people that are increased in terms of people that are using SimCorp Dimension, it's obviously going up quite nicely.
But given that some of these customers are coming in through a different way of selling, you start to see the real impact of service transformation into our revenues. And to kind of continue that part of the conversation, we also signed three customers on the investment accounting service we announced a couple of quarters ago.
So, we're obviously today excited about the fact that we can build a service so fast that three customers are willing to basically jump on the wagon relatively early on in our development cycle. I would say those customers have been carefully selected.
So, they're actually somebody we can take live with a high credibility and build basic credibility around the entire platform. And the first one is actually going live shortly, which for people that have known SimCorp for a while would realize that this is a different time to value that we're talking about compared to normal SimCorp Dimension.
This is the area where we take full responsibility of producing the accounting entries. We do it in a multi-jurisdiction or multi-asset capability.
It's a technology-enabled service, which is obviously important in this context because we're using our own software to fundamentally automate the customers' processes. And then, in the end, allowing them to concentrate on their business, which I'm also going to come a little bit back to.
I also want to say quickly, related to all our market opportunity, there continues to be a very solid transformational drive from our existing customers that we are translating into both licenses and services. So, we're very confident on that.
We're also very pleased to see that, for the first time, after COVID, that we see a real portfolio of qualified opportunities coming out of North America. We're tracking that quite carefully.
Now, it's all a matter of will the customers, in fact, make decisions. And then, it's obviously also a function of our competitiveness and our ability to win them.
But as I said a couple of times today, there needs to be business on the table in order for us to be able to win it. And for the first time now, in almost two years.
There is now a real portfolio of qualified opportunities in North America. And I'm actually going down Sunday, which is my third trip this year.
So, real positive development on that side. Let me take you through a couple of kind of more strategic ways of explaining what we're doing.
And a lot of these things are obviously evolving as we speak and our overall readiness to have a very exciting deep dive with all of you when we get to October 6 with I'm also – Anders will say a few words about a little later in the presentation. So, in the essence, we're obviously spending all our time understanding how the markets are developing, developing both for us from an opportunity point of view, but in the end, also how it's developing from our customers' point of view.
It's becoming clearer and clearer, while it's amplified by the current volatility or the current whole market situation. I think it is.
But it actually started right before that. Our customers want to focus on the core.
And they want us to help them focus on the core. So, whether it comes from market drivers, inflation, sustainability, fee cost pressure, new regulations, whatever, or the fact that they are changing their strategic outlook to be more multi-asset to include passives or alternatives into what they do, or whether it's operational concerns about access to people, access to knowledge, or overall potential that we hear quite often, cyber risk, all of these things is pointing in the same direction that our customers and our prospects wants us to take a substantial bigger role in that, all the way from operating the platform, but as we also just talked about, investment accounting as a service, they want us to take responsibilities for the parts of what they do, that they don't see as differentiating in their business.
So, in essence, focus on core. If we then put that into a SimCorp context, you ultimately have traditional versus new.
So, the traditional is the on-premise software, which from time to time we still sell, we still have traditional ALF licenses coming out of our existing customer base. But when we look across the board, it is quite clear that this is shifting towards software as a service.
On a traditional outsourcing area, I think SimCorp has never really tapped into that, but we can see the market is really changing that. What you really want is your partner to use their technology to enable your business services because if the only thing you get is just cheap labor running the same legacy platform, then you're not really getting any business agility out of it.
So, everything we do now is centered around software as a service and technology-enabled services, and we are slowly but surely also changing the way that SimCorp operates to take full advantage of this opportunity in the market. To give you a good view over how we think about things and what is on the shelf, if you will, we have created this slide to give you a flavor of how it looks inside the stomach of SimCorp as it currently stands.
What does the salespeople have in their back when they go out and speak to customers. And it basically looks like this.
You have our SimCorp Dimension, our reporting engine, our data management, and then you also have Sofia that just won a new customer for the first time in a while. And here is ultimately the old school customers running the technical operations, customers running the business operation.
Still exist. As you all know, still a big part of our existing customer base is operating that way.
But it's also clear that they are moving to the right in different speeds. So, from a SaaS point of view, SimCorp Dimension is now fully established.
We're doing a lot of things with Azure and all of these things. But it exists in the market.
I think we just crossed more than 35 customers that are running SimCorp Dimension that way. But we also have Coric and Gain being delivered through a SaaS engine.
And there we now crossed 55 out of the 300 combined customers we have. Here's where SimCorp is fully responsible for the technical operations.
I think that area will continue a lot more towards automated testing and standardization. But already now, we're responsible for the operational side.
But still the client is responsible for running their business and configuring that business. And then, we've got the new kids on the block, which is also evolving.
And here you will also see some exciting news coming out in a couple of weeks, where that part of the portfolio is also evolving further up the value chain of our customers, starting with data management. That is the most mature where there's now around 15 customers.
Investment accounting as a service, three customers with the first ones going live. And then you can start to guess on where we would go next on that one.
But that will soon be clarified. But that's where SimCorp not only takes the technical operational responsibility, we also take the business operational responsibility.
And the beauty of all of it is that all of it can coexist in different delivery models and we see more and more customers actually going that route. Even existing customers that still run the core and SimCorp Dimension themselves, but they are acquiring and subscribing to our services around that all the way to actually, in the end, out-task some of the functions to us.
And that's ultimately what we announced getting the organization to be able to do. Let me do a few words around the MoU that we've signed with an existing APAC customer.
We obviously know what the name is, but there's some confidentiality on the customer side that we need to get through. But in the not-too-distant future, the full setup will be revealed.
It's super exciting. And it's yet another proof point on the platform mentality that we're trying to engage with as SimCorp.
Here we talk about a customer that we've had for a while. They've done an extremely successful implementation of SimCorp with our help.
And they now find a real opportunity in the market to leverage that platform in a much more bigger way. And that's what that gives SimCorp is – obviously, it gives us some – quite a substantial deal to allow our customer to take that route.
But it actually allows us to reach both from a geographical point of view, but also from a TAM point of view, which makes it completely exciting. What is a little bit new here is that we've decided to co-invest with the customer into a new core that takes over that operational responsibility.
We actually think it's a really good use of capital and we're quite excited of going in and test that. Will we do that across the board everywhere?
Of course not. Because then you suddenly will start to erode the platform opportunity that we've been in when you start to kind of select what partner is going to go.
In the end, neutrality is quite important for us. But in this particular case, it actually makes really, really good sense.
So we look forward to share you much more information about this in a couple of weeks. It wouldn't be right for me to go through Q1 without talking about Ukraine.
Last time we talked, we talked about having a plan in the drawer that, if shit hits the fan, then we will take it out. At least at that point, I didn't expect shit to hit the fan.
But a few weeks after, it did. I can only express strong, strong feelings about what I think about that.
But in the end, my duty is to ensure that SimCorp's employees are well taken care of and that's exactly what we've done. We've chosen to single out the cost that we're spending on this, not because we – it's a one off thing, it's special circumstances, but we believe it's important to signal that this is real.
Status currently is that half of our staff, roughly half of our staff has gone to Poland where we're taking care of them, including facilities and everything required. But there's also still a relatively large part of our staff that are still in Ukraine, but in the western part of Ukraine, and then there's a few examples of where family situations is forcing them to be in other places.
And this will continue until it doesn't continue anymore. Right now, there's actually a feeling that some people might want to go back and we've asked them to hold their horses.
Because as we didn't expect the war to happen in the first place, it's fair to say that at least I don't know what to expect will happen next. The good thing about all of this, if there is any good thing, is that we are very close to be at 100% productivity, which I have to say is a big shout out to our Ukrainian colleagues that they are capable of working this amount of hours during a war situation.
So, on the SimCorp operational point of view, we are very close to where we should be. So, in the end, I guess an okay story.
But, obviously, taking the viewpoint of our staff is obviously still an absolute nightmare and very difficult to deal with. I also quickly want to take you through what we managed to do for the first time in a while as well, was to have our so-called famous IUCM, which is an annual get together of customers and partners and SimCorpers.
This year, we were actually sold out for the first time in a very long time, which basically means that people really want to get back together and see each other. It's clear that travel patterns has changed a little bit.
So, it became very much a European event, which also means we are repeating some of these things in our other regions later in the year, but it was really cool. And the [indiscernible] was just phenomenal amongst this group, including both predominantly clients, but also a couple of really cool prospects.
And those words, Michael, over to you to do a bit more deep dive on the numbers.
Michael Rosenvold
Yes. Thanks a lot, Christian.
And I will move on to slide number 16 for those of you following the slides. And as Christian said, the first quarter was as expected and also what we communicated last time we had this call where we said that both Q1 and H1, we expect that to be modest development in the two quarters and then we are back-end loaded and also as normal.
So, in Q1, we had a 4% increase in our revenue, both reported revenue and in local currency, and the margin was around 13.5%, again, both in reported and in local currency. If we go to the next slide, slide number 17, the order intake.
If you look at the picture on the right hand side, you clearly see the pattern where we have by far the highest order intake normally in Q4 and normally also starting the year, relatively moderate. But despite that, this year, we were having an order intake which was – an order intake which was the double the size of last year, but also, as Christian Kristen said, to a very large degree, due to early renewals of two agreements in North America where we will revenue recognize when the old subscription agreement is expiring, which will be in 2023 and 2027, respectively.
And I would say, the reason why we do the early renewals is, of course, also because we do some upselling in connection with doing the early renewals. So, that's a good thing.
And then, it's also creating security that we will prolong these agreements for a longer period. If we go to the next slide, slide number 18.
The order book, you also see that the order book is increasing. It's increasing by €8.5 million compared to the last quarter, Q4 2021.
And if you go one year back, it has increased by €32 million. Of course, large part of it is due to our subscription services like Datacare and so on that that is growing.
And as we revenue-recognize these services over time, that will automatically add to the order book and have the order book increasing. And for COVID-19, so client driven development, we have a quite stable order book.
So we have revenue recognized something and then we have added a little more – added something as well. So, a stable order book for CDD.
Next slide, slide number 19, showing the different revenue streams. And Christian mentioned earlier on, a 4% increase both in software update and support and in professional services.
And then, you can say hosting and other fees growing quite a lot as we are having more and more hosted clients onboarded. And when they are getting onboarded, we are then also revenue recognizing that activity and thereby we are increasing the hosting and other fees.
For the license part, we are lower than last year at the same time. And that is primarily due to last Q1, we had some early – we had some renewals in North America, which was revenue recognized in Q1, which you could say inflated the add-on license last year.
That's the primary reason for the lower license revenue this year. This can also be seen on the next slide, slide 20 where you can see that the additional regular license sales is going up.
It's €6 million compared to €5 million last year. And then, on this slide, you'll see the impact from one conversion we did in Q1 where there were new conversions last year and a lower impact on renewals due to the large impact in Q1 2021.
On slide 21, we have the cost development. And as expected, we have an increase in cost in Q1, primarily impacted by investments into the future where we're investing in our SaaS offerings, including, not least, investment accounting services.
And we also have some additional costs related to supporting and helping our Ukrainian colleagues with – Christian also talked about early on. The cash flow, we had a cash flow of – free cash flow of €20 million.
So higher than both EBIT and net profit which is very normal because we do some annual invoicing in the beginning of the year, but we also had some, you can say, made invoicing this year due to ERP implementation in some countries, which means that that cash inflow will come a later this year. And then, at the same time, we have some timing of income taxes, payments and salary-related tax payments where we paid them at the beginning of the year instead of in Q4.
Instead of paying them in Q4 last year, we paid them in the first quarter. So, there was a timing of payments in Q1.
Then my last slide, before we go to the Q&A, that is the full-year guidance. So, we are maintaining our guidance with one exception.
The exception is that the exceptional extra costs related to Ukraine, which we believe will be around €3 million to €5 million for 2022, then we maintain our guidance which we stated in our annual report three months ago. And you can say we paid – we had extra costs of €0.8 million for the first quarter, but in reality, that was primarily in March because of – you can say when the war started.
And we expect for the full year that the cost on an annualized basis will be between €3 million and €5 million in supporting our people. And then, as you can see, the last thing, which Christian also mentioned is that, he said Anders would mention, but I think I will take it now where I have the word.
Please save the day, we will have a Capital Market Day at October 6 and we will host that in London as we believe London is probably the best location for most of you. So, it's easy for you to either get there or you are there already.
So, we hope to see as many of you as possible in October in London. And now, we will hand over to the Q&A.
Operator
[Operator Instructions]. Your first question today comes from Daniel Djurberg from Handelsbanken.
Daniel Djurberg
I have a question starting with the pipeline. You give some positive comment that the early sales pipeline, i.e.
the funnel is improving, not least in North America. And I was wondering if it's possible to somehow quantify this in terms of anything, number of meetings or number of – some help to quantify how have you measured this?
Christian Kromann
As you would imagine, we are running a funnel. And the way we track that in SimCorp is what we would say is kind of a qualified opportunity.
And that's become – that's when it becomes real. There's typically an RFI and RFP.
And it's that number that I'm saying that is now back at a pre-COVID level. I don't think we disclosed what that number is because then you kind of start to calculate it the wrong way anyway.
Daniel Djurberg
Perhaps a question to Michael on the cost side. So, the marketing costs, it's obviously on the back of traveling, meetings and sales commission being up.
So, I think it's up to 160 basis points year-over-year. Should we expect a similar lift, around 200 basis points to 300 basis points compared to sales or so in the coming quarters of 2022?
Or we will perhaps see some leverage from sales commission?
Michael Rosenvold
I hope it certainly goes up because, if that goes up, it's because we're selling more. But joke aside, I will say Q1 is a little special in terms of Q1 2021.
Some of the revenue we took there, that was actually something we sold in 2020. And therefore, also, you can say the commission paid on that was expensed in 2020.
So we didn't have that much in Q1 2021. And then, in Q1 2022, we pay commission when we do the order intake and not when we do the revenue recognition.
And that means that – I would expect less increase in sales and marketing costs for the rest of the year. But, hopefully, it's still going up the quite dramatically because we simply want our sales team to travel and have meeting activities.
And as Christian also said, for the first time in two years, we hosted our IUCM, that is not – there's a cost related to having such conference, but it's absolutely worthwhile. And again, that should also fuel selling to, especially existing clients going forward.
So, a long answer. I expect the sales and marketing costs to go up, but less than what is on Q1 percentage wise.
Daniel Djurberg
If I may ask you also a question. I'm really impressed by your – how you've managed to the Russian aggression in Ukraine with your employees and so forth?
And my question is really, there is also obviously cyber warfare out there from both sides, I guess, but can you comment if the risk for your operations has increased on the back of this cyber warfare? And have had any incidents or something that would be worth talking about?
Christian Kromann
I think it is good and relevant question. So, of course, this is something we are following extremely closely.
We have an IT security team who is doing nothing else than monitoring such things. And think we have taken some preventive actions.
So, we have closed all of our lines to our office in Ukraine. So, the way people are, you can say, working is from a safe – relatively safe environment.
And we don't have, you can say, an open Internet door to our office in Ukraine. So, we are taking preventive actions.
And we haven't seen – and I think that I can say very clearly, we haven't seen an increased activity in attempts in any way so far. And it's something we, of course, is monitoring.
Michael Rosenvold
I think we're all just doing pretty much the same as what the customers are doing, is that they are pushing their operational environments to kind of a well-recognized cloud provider. And what we're doing is building our services on top on Azure for those exact reasons.
We are also pushing our internal environments on to Azure for that reason. That's actually the key selling point to our customers when they go from on prem to Azure services as well.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Hannes Leitner from UBS.
Hannes Leitner
Maybe you can just double down on the sales pipeline in the US. It sounds like very encouraging.
And you're, Christian, traveling further three times over the year, that seems good. Is that also something to last?
And maybe you can talk about the different customer cohorts within that group? And then, the second thing is, just like on those cloud or SaaS investments on operations, post portfolio results, you were not able – or at least you didn't want to quantify what kind of upside that is there.
Just like thinking, putting this in context also if the inflationary environment – a little bit pre-loading the Capital Markets Day in October – can you talk about – should we expect that growth accelerates from here? Will this be supportive?
Or is this a measure just to keep trying to take the 10 percentage constant currency growth going forward?
Christian Kromann
Let's start with North America. I think we've touched briefly on it the last time, is that a couple of different steps actually, also leading up to October 6, but obviously [indiscernible] what we know, right?
So, I guess I felt that, especially after COVID, also, that I wanted to have a reevaluation of the size of the opportunity in North America. And, yeah, I don't think about the pipeline as such.
I think about what is the market opportunity, if you take our current definitions off the market, which typically we – little bit depending on when you ask us, but somewhere between €15 billion and €20 billion and the management is kind of where our market starts. So, the team has done that quite diligently the last couple of months, and has actually come to the conclusion that the size of that addressable market has gone up a bit.
Which actually, to be honest, surprised me a bit, but reality is that there might be mergers and consolidation going on, but there's quite a few asset managers and investment managers that has gone from very small to now bridging that flaw that makes it interesting for us to speak to them. So, there is no doubt in our mind, the North American market remains a very important part of our growth story.
So, that's kind of step number one. And we were – obviously, were going to share data on that once it's fully qualified.
As you would imagine, the next step is, how do we invest our money to maximize our probability of winning in that market? And that's basically what we are now working on as part of our normal strategy process and that kind of breaks that market down to asset owners versus asset managers, what type of asset managers, bank treasuries and all the kind of those good sections?
Just the fact that you need to have a good understanding of, is it the front to back story that sells, is it the servicing story that sells, and all of these things, and there's certainly some trends that indicate that it was a good decision to make, to go down the services path? Now we need to build credibility around that service.
If possible, we can combine that with our software offering. And I think that's probably one of the bigger decisions we have to figure out how do we amplify that, also from a geographical point of view.
But that's somewhat also why the MoU discussion is quite interesting because that's actually one example of how you can amplify your reach and your credibility about your service by taking an existing customer and take out that service. So, I would say market is intact.
Those RFP/RFI processes to the same level of pre-COVID. Now, the real hardcore decisions that we are working on is, how do we add additional capacity, the investments that makes us maximum competitive in that space.
And that's really worth going on now, so we can be a little bit more outspoken about should you expect as a good result out of North America and going forward, so we don't sit and talk about something that was said many, many years ago. So, that was that one.
Then the services transformation, as we spoke about. And I think we've talked about that journey a couple of times where you go from kind of a standard install, on prem relationship, you add basically more licenses because they want to do more front to back, more multi-asset, EUC [ph] what have you, then you add the software as a service element, and then you potentially add some business process as a service, but data management on top.
That journey, we've kind of done three, four, five times now with customers that has committed and that's why I think for the first time we said that it's not uncommon to see a treble of the run rate, potentially even quadruple based on what you get. So, we kind of feel we have a value proposition in that space.
Then the question is, how do you scale that? Because as I think we also said, we have around 250 customers that are still on prem.
And if we take them one by one, then I will be, I don't know, 150 years old before we're done and I don't expect to work that long. So somehow, there's a scalability discussion inside that we needed to be clear, but it's fuels our growth massively.
But it comes with a cost. And I think that's the other big discussion.
How do we make that scalable and profitable? And I think all of you have said, now you need to explain how you intend to do that.
And that's also what we're working on. We actually just earlier today announced to the wider organization that we are basically doubling down on the SaaS transformation and in what ways we're doing it.
So, the opportunity is there. Not to sound arrogant, but it's almost how quickly can we grant that opportunity and still deliver quality.
I think that's for me the essence of it because, if we go too far and start to onboard stuff and people get a bad experience, then it goes directly to the other way. So, I think that's the way you have to see it.
For every call that goes on, I'm pretty certain that there will be some new strategic transformations or transformational deals that would start to give you more data to feel how this is looking.
Hannes Leitner
Maybe just to follow-up on both topics in terms of headcount, do you see that you have been replacing or hiring in the US the right salespeople? And then also, in terms of the SaaS opportunity, does this demand a new breed of employees and engineers?
Christian Kromann
I would say I hope we hired the right sales people in North America. We recently have been through a restructuring and we got some good existing talent mixed up with some good external talent.
Now, they have a pipeline in front of them and now they need to show that they are the right people. What was the other question?
Hannes Leitner
Just in terms of the SaaS capabilities, do you need to hire there new people? Or is that you can transform existing employees?
Christian Kromann
No, but I hear it. And that's a very, very good question, right?
Because that is really down to the bottom of the foundation of what we're doing. We need a lot of good people that really understand SimCorp, and we're lucky to have a lot of good colleagues there.
But it's also clear, we need to add substantial amount of new talent to kind of get – because it's kind of a two-way street. How do you build that capacity in a credible way?
And how do you make it profitable? So, it's both a growth and a customer optimization task?
And it's not super straightforward, but we are hiring some good people at the moment.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Poul Jessen from Danske Bank.
Poul Jessen
I have two questions. One question is about the full year and the guidance.
And, of course, you talk about an improved pipeline, especially in North America. My question is more given the macroeconomic uncertainty you see, when you look out the window and selling cycle, which typically is quite long, do you see a higher-than-normal risk on delivering on the full year?
Or is it just the normal business as you see it?
Christian Kromann
I think there's two ways to look at that. So, the first one, and I think I've also said that a few times the last quarters is that, SimCorp is now in a situation where it's not kind of black and white, whether we win the right ILF deals anymore, but it's still important to win ILF deals from a competitive point of view and fuel the engine, but from a financial result point of view, we have a lot of handles, if you will, also in the existing customers to do that.
And I think that's from a risk point of view, especially given that the – I don't know what the right word is, the volatility across multiple sectors is also driving our existing customers to do these transformations. Actually makes us quite – feel okay about that.
But it's – we want to win in America and we said that for years, right? So, it's also why I say, now the deals are there, will they, in fact, make the decisions now that some of their fees are under pressure, given that the valuation of their portfolio is down.
And can we win? It's not fun to win a process where they don't make the decision in the end, which unfortunately we've seen a few times.
So, it's a good question. Poul.
Poul Jessen
And then, a more structure one, you've now been publishing these AR numbers for a number of quarters, so that we can do one and a half year, I think, on year-on-year growth. And I know that you are more backward looking than others.
But if we compared to at least the four peers who also publish ARs, you consistently over those six quarters have grown at the slowest rate in the margin and your numbers include conversions. What's your take on any potential structural issues?
Why you are behind on the growth rates?
Christian Kromann
Just from a technical point of view, AR is not – you don't get any AR effects from conversions. So, just to make that clear, that has no impact on AR if you do a conversion.
But you are right, we do see some of our peers, they have been growing quite fast. I think for some of them, they are in other segments than we are.
And then you can, of course, argue, are you in the wrong segment. But that's the segment we are in.
And then, I think for some of them, they are also growing without profit. So that's of course a strategy as well.
We would like to grow with profit. That's I think – because we are in many ways a more mature organization than some of the peers.
And then, I will finally say that our peers, they're growing more than us, it shows that there is a potential for us and there is a market for us as well.
Operator
[Operator Instructions]. Your next question comes from the line of Lukasz Wojcik from Goldman Sachs.
Lukasz Wojcik
A couple of questions for me. So first one mostly on cash flow.
So, you flagged sort of delayed invoicing and payments. So, how should we think about the working capital for the rest of the quarters and the full year?
Do you expect some sort of reversal in Q2 or this is something that you're observing that will carry on? And then second one, on the memorandum of understanding that you've signed, will the sort of combined entity have some sort of preferential pricing for licenses and for the SaaS solutions from SimCorp and it's going to come at the group level gross margin or is there sort of some better pricing that you will offer to that combined entity?
Michael Rosenvold
I can start with the free cash flow. I think for the last three years, at least, we have had an improvement in our working capital.
So, you can say, we have really optimized our working capital for quite a long period. And of course, there is a limit to how much you can do – you cannot do forever improving every year.
So, I think the level we had last year is close to what we believe is optimal from a working capital perspective. Then you can say the timing between Q4 and Q1, that will be permanent.
So, that will not regain for the receivable part. There, we believe to regain some of it during the year.
So, if you look at the receivables, that should be better during the year. And for the tax related part, which will be either on the tax line or accruals, that will be something we cannot regain.
Then, for this memorandum of understanding, it's on normal pricing terms. There's no special discounts or anything like that.
And that was actually – that is quite important for us because we do also have other clients in this field. So, it has to be on a market conformed way we are dealing with this.
And that's also the case for this deal. It's market pricing and no special discounts.
Christian Kromann
It's the knowledge and the experience of the client that is going to make this competitive.
Operator
There are currently no further phone questions. I will hand the call back to you.
Anders Hjort
I think we actually have two questions here on the webcast. The first one is from Ron [ph].
Basically says, if I understood correctly, markets needs are moving more and more towards customized solutions. If this is right, how do you explain this trend?
What is the reason for that?
Christian Kromann
Yeah. Then I certainly need to improve my communicative skills because that's pretty much the opposite of what I was trying to say.
So good that you asked. So I think for us, it's more a matter of the fact that the clients that we serve, they want to focus on their core part of their business.
Then they basically want to outsource or out-task, if you will, the non-core part of the business. And here's where we step in.
Because utilizing our own technology, we can automate that and standardize it. But it's in the whole environment, it's an assumption that, through our knowledge, we can actually standardize it.
So, it's pretty much the opposite, actually.
Anders Hjort
Right. And then the second question is from Carlo Hansen [ph] who says, firstly, thank you for the detailed info above the Kiev office.
It seems like you're handling the crisis very well until now. So thank you for that.
Christian Kromann
Thank you.
Anders Hjort
Where are the people doing the investment accounting services placed?
Christian Kromann
The way it basically works is that the investment accounting service is ultimately subscribing to the SaaS services from SimCorp. So, the SaaS services delivered through a global organization now close to being one of the biggest ones inside SimCorp actually.
So that's everywhere and it's global and it's 24/7 because it has to be. Then the additional layer on top, ultimately, to deliver the investment accounting services is people with accounting and business knowledge.
And there, we basically hire them where they are. Quite a big part of them sit in London and the US and we are also now building up a commercial organization that is global.
So, it's that mix that makes it quite powerful.
Michael Rosenvold
But also the – the people who deliver the platform, the daily services, they're not in Ukraine. They're all outside.
Michael Rosenvold
Yeah, that's a good point as well. [indiscernible] commented that we have no business operations interruptions from our Ukraine location at all.
Christian Kromann
Okay. So, I think that was all.
Great questions, as always. Good to talk to you.
And hopefully, you've now put a big cross in October 6. But we also obviously see you and talk to you before that in August.
So take care, everybody.
Operator
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