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Q3 2017 · Earnings Call Transcript

Oct 19, 2017

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Executives

Erik Strandin Pers – Head-Investor Relations Allison Kirkby – President and CEO Lars Nordmark – Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President

Analysts

Irina Idrissova – RBC Capital Markets Victor Höglund – SEB Nick Lyall – Soc Gen Sunil Patel – Bank of America Maurice Patrick – Barclays Henrik Herbst – Credit Suisse Thomas Heath – Danske Bank Ulrich Rathe – Jefferies Johanna Ahlqvist – SEB Lena Osterberg – Carnegie

Erik Strandin Pers

Thank you, operator. Welcome, everyone, to Tele2's Third Quarter 2017 Results Call.

I have with me our CEO, Allison Kirkby; and our CFO, Lars Nordmark. We'll do the usual routine management presentation and Q&A.

You have the slides at our website tele2.com. And we have a slight time constraint this morning, so we'll try to finish the call in about 50 minutes.

So we'll try to be extra short and efficient this morning. So without further talking from my side, I leave the word over to Allison, please go ahead.

Allison Kirkby

Thank you, Erik, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to our third quarter results presentation. As you know, liberating a more connected life remains our ultimate priority, and we saw this drive solid growth in the current third quarter as customers really resonated with our fearless brands and our great value for money propositions.

Mobile end-user service revenue, as a result, grew 7% on a like-for-like basis, despite the impact of Roam Like at Home, with double-digit and sometimes very high double-digit growth in our Dutch, Baltics and Kazakhstan businesses. Net sales amounted to SEK7.5 billion, up 1% on a like-for-like basis and EBITDA was up by 12% to SEK1.8 billion, mainly driven by the revenue growth in the aforementioned market but also contributing are Challenger program and synergy benefits.

Having agreed to sell Tele2 Austria in the quarter, all our financials now exclude the Austrian operations. Exiting Austria is completely consistent with our strategy to focus more on the markets where we believe we will win over the long term and be a true champion of connectivity on our own infrastructure.

And it is within the context of this more focused strategy that we are continuing to see great momentum in our business. As a result, we are today raising our full year guidance despite the distraction of Austria, and Lars will explain our guidance changes in a bit more detail towards the end of the presentation.

So let's get into the key highlights of the quarter. Our positively fearless brands feel strong progress, both financially and towards our customers.

Last quarter, we launched new commercial propositions in all of our key market. These continue to be embraced by customers with strong uptake across the group and solid progress on brand preference and customer satisfaction metrics.

For example, here in Sweden, Comviq was awarded the strongest telecom brand by Evimetrix, based on both customer satisfaction and brand awareness; evidence of the strength of our price fighter brand position in a fast-growing segment of the market. And in the Netherlands, we were awarded best telecom retail chain and webshop.

This was indeed the first quarter where we saw the full effect of Roam Like at Home. And for the group, the impact on mobile end-user service revenue was, as expected, around two percentage points; and on EBITDA again, in line with expectations, the impact was in the SEK100 million to SEK150 million range.

Sweden, again as expected, was particularly affected by the new regulation. As a result, mobile end-user service revenue was down 1.5% and EBITDA was down 6%.

However, we were less affected in the Baltics and continued to deliver great double-digit mobile service revenue growth and EBITDA growth of 12% and 18%, respectively. Despite headwinds, our Baltic Sea Challenger businesses collectively achieved a 22% increase in operating cash flow on a rolling 12-month basis, as our mobility for our strategy continues to serve us well with outstanding cash conversion.

In our investment markets, we have great momentum on the back of increased brand awareness, improved satisfaction and increased scale. In the Netherlands, mobile end-user service revenue growth was 27%, and data and voice on-loading continues to progress well.

We now have 93% of data usage and 54% of voice usage on our own network, and this is contributing to a significantly improved financial profile for our Dutch business. And in Kazakhstan, we also delivered another strong increase in mobile end-user service revenue, up 19%, resulting in an EBITDA margin for the quarter of 26%.

Our Challenger cost structure was also again strengthened in the quarter with group margin improving by two percentage points to 25%, a key contributor to this being the significant reduction in Dutch mobile losses down by almost three quarters percent versus this time last year. And we had another strong quarter for the Challenger program, which is well ahead of plan to reach the SEK1 billion target in 2018, with an estimated level of benefits of at least SEK850 million for this year.

So moving onto our markets, let's look at the Baltic Sea Challenger businesses first. In line with recent quarters and pitching Roam Like at Home side, the Swedish market continues to be stable but competitive, particularly in the price side of segment, while the main brands largely focused on adding additional value to their offerings.

As mentioned, our Swedish businesses were particularly impacted by Roam Like at Home and a decline in legacy fixed revenues. Excluding the Roam Like at Home headwind, mobile end-user service revenue was up by around 1%, with continued growth in the consumer segment, partly offset by expected declines in the business segment.

Excluding Roam Like at Home, EBITDA was basically flat year-on-year, as synergies realized in the TDC integration and Challenger program benefits compensate for the declining fixed revenues. Despite, however, our EBITDA being down year-on-year in the quarter, Sweden continues to perform very well in cash conversion, which reached 80% on a rolling 12-month basis, significantly ahead of all of our telco and cable peers in Sweden.

Looking at the Swedish consumer business, mobile end-user service revenue showed an underlying trend and solid growth of around 3% with Roam Like at Home impacting us by two percentage points. This is very much driven by strong growth in Comviq postpaid due to our continued and successful migration from prepaid and good ASPU development in Tele2.

Our positively fearless brand strategy continues to retain and attract new customers. For example, our double data campaign, launched to celebrate the five-year anniversary of Comviq postpaid, resulted in increased sales of smaller data bundles and particularly targeting the youth population.

At the same time, demand for larger data buckets continued and data consumption on the Tele2 brand grew by more than 50% to an average just 6.9 gig per month, leading to solid ASPU growth. Our focus on growth through customer satisfaction is maintaining satisfaction levels for both brands, stable but at very high levels as measured both internally and recognized externally.

I've already recognized that Comviq won the best telecom brand by Evimetrix, and we're continuing to rank extremely well in the SKI Quality Index ranking. Moving on to B2B.

As expected, the market continued to be price competitive also within the mobile segment. We are, however, well ahead of expectations on the synergy realization plan now just under SEK140 million year-to-date from the terminated MVNO contract and headcount reductions.

However, we have not yet recovered from the weaker sales that we had in large enterprise segment in prior quarters, resulting in a decline in net sales of around 2% like-for-like. The combined product offering of Tele2 and TDC enables us to be a true service provider to our customers.

And we remain excited about the potential of some of the new contracts that we signed in the quarter, including the University of Gothenburg and the extended and renewed contracts with Attendo and the Swedish Transport Agency, to name just a few. Looking towards Q4, while we expect the B2B trends to continue and there will continue to be some impact from Roam Like at Home, also we see similar dynamics in mobile end-user service revenue as we saw this quarter, we do believe that we'll be in a better position to compensate this on an EBITDA level in Q4.

Moving on and slightly east and south to the Baltics, commercialization and monetization of our 4G investments continue to drive really strong top and bottom line momentum. Net sales growth of 11% was excellent, thanks for an ever increasing demand for data and increased premium handsets in our customer base.

Mobile end-user service revenue grew 12%, largely driven by higher data consumption and growth in mobile broadband. And EBITDA increased 18%, driven by profitable revenue growth and benefits from the Challenger program, as we continue to drive operational efficiency and consolidate certain tasks and skills in into our Shared Operation organization.

In the quarter, we saw again a very strong ASPU development of 11% as the transition from prepaid to postpaid subscriptions continued and customers traded up to larger data buckets, very much encouraged by the new propositions that we launched in anticipation of Roam Like at Home. Smartphone penetration continues to increase, which is supporting the uptake of the larger data bundles and is allowing plenty of room for further growth in the future.

Additionally, the investments into mobile broadband is fueling continued great revenue improvement of 37% and establishing Tele2 as the liberator of connectivity both in the home and on the go in parts of the Baltics where broadband speeds lag that of our excellent 4G networks. In general, we continue to be proud of our Baltic team and excited about the growth opportunities that we see ahead across our three Baltics business units.

Now looking into our investment markets, and first if we look at the Netherlands. And first some context, this was the first quarter in which we had the entire quarter impacted by the new consumer credit regulation, Roam Like at Home, and of course the first full quarter of our new disruptive propositions that we launched in May.

Competition remains intensive, especially in the low end segment, but we remained highly competitive within the market. Although, net sales declined mainly due to changes of accounting rules with respect to third-party handset sales and VFT, and of course our lower fixed revenues.

More importantly, mobile end-user service revenue was up 27%, with our mobile customer base increasing by 18% and our ASPU growing by 6%. Our mobile network economics just continue to improve, providing a virtuous circle of increasing operating higher volumes, higher ARPUs and improved operational efficiency.

And we're achieving this at lower subscriber acquisition costs than we expected and the faster pace than we previously expected. In the absence of anything extraordinary, we now expect a small but positive EBITDA for Netherlands also in the fourth quarter this year.

Disruptive Fun Rebel campaigns and propositions, and an increased focus on customer satisfaction is definitely improving our brand awareness, our brand consideration and NPS. We continue to take more than 20% of the switchers' market, in fact it was 23% in August.

And as you can see here, we're taking 30% of handset sales and 18% of SIM only sales. This is great progress on both accounts.

Net intake on mobiles for the quarter was therefore up again to 57,000. Data on-loading, as I said, reached 93%, I mean, with more than 550,000 VoLTE users who are active and took our data – our voice traffic on our own network to 54% in the month of September.

Finally, our unique omni-channel position, where we have less than 20 retail stores, complemented by a fast growing online presence was awarded the best among all Dutch telecoms by the ABN AMRO Retail chain of the Year and Webshop Award; evidence of us building a uniquely digital Challenger presence in the Dutch market. And now let's move further east to our other investment market, Kazakhstan, where market competition in the quarter was largely focused around time limited proportions of extra data.

For our part, net sales were up 14% year-on-year, as we continued our strong momentum in mobile end-user service revenue growing by 19%. This momentum was built as a result of strong customer growth and increasingly large data buckets.

EBITDA more than doubled year-on-year, as we reaped the benefits of these higher ASPU levels, improved scale and integration synergies. And if we look into these results in a bit more detail, you'll see our customer base grew by 7% to reach more than 6.8 million customers, driven by an expanding distribution network and our successful dual brand strategy.

ASPU was up 13%, driven by higher margin product mix, including two new speed differentiated unlimited offering for mobile broadband launched in the quarter. Finally, with just over 1,700 sites merged, our network integration was completed in the quarter, which will now enable us to focus on further expansion in the months ahead and will obviously get margin expansion from that and CapEx efficiency as the result.

We can now focus on network rollout going forward so that we can tap into further untapped customer demand. And with that, I'd like to now handover to Lars who'll take you through the financials.

Lars Nordmark

Thank you, Allison, and good morning. Let's turn to the next page for an overview of the mobile-end user service revenue development.

Reported year-on-year increase came in at 9%. FX effects were insignificant this quarter but, as you know, some mobile revenues came in with TDC and the like-for-like growth was at 7%.

On the right-hand side, looking at the individual operations, we have seen positive trends across all our markets. Sweden's increase of SEK 54 million was driven mostly by the TDC acquisition, offset by the effect of Roam Like at Home resulting in a like-for-like decrease in mobile revenues of SEK 29 million.

This was in line with our expectations. The Baltics contributed SEK 61 million, representing a growth of 12%, despite the roaming impact.

The biggest contribution this quarter came from the Netherlands, which increased top line by 27% to SEK 112 billion, as a result of a combination of strong growth in both customer growth and ASPU. Kazakhstan was up an impressive SEK 80 million, a growth of 19% versus Q3 last year.

Moving on to EBITDA. We announced that this quarter, we have a rather clean EBITDA without any significant extraordinary items.

As compared to Q3 last year though, we have a contribution from TDC, so behind the 21% reported increase, it's a like-to-like growth of 12%. As of the case with mobile revenues, the biggest contribution came from the Netherlands with more than SEK 100 million improvement year-on-year.

This is the result of strong mobile revenue growth, better network economics and efficient investments into expansion costs. Kazakhstan delivered a growth of SEK 90 million, to a large extent, driven by the increased scale of the business.

Turning to CapEx, we saw a decline of 31% versus the same period last year to a level of SEK 532 million in the quarter. There are several reasons for this modest level, with the declines spread across our geographies.

Firstly, it has to do with lower sales within B2B in Sweden and the Netherlands, leading to lower customer-driven CapEx. Secondly, we have not had the need to invest as much in capacity this year as we had initially assumed.

We expect this will partly spill over into the next year. Thirdly, we are also in a phase of digital transformation and preparation for 5G.

Both of these things take time. And in the case of 5G preparations, the equipment and systems are not always developed to the level we wanted to be before we want to pursue investment.

Lastly, we have also improved our financial discipline when it comes to CapEx investments. So, all in all, there are different reasons for this year being a year of lower investments.

However, I think it is important to stress that we are not holding back on anything that we think is accretive from an ROI perspective or makes good business sense. Looking at the cash flow on the next slide.

We saw an increase by more than 50% versus the same quarter last year. As discussed, the strong increase in EBITDA together with lower CapEx were the main contributors to the improvement.

The only significant negative item was networking capital. However, please note that this still made a positive contribution for the quarter, although lower than last year, due to less handset financing activity in Sweden.

As you know, we also like to look at the evolution of cash flow from a longer term and more operational perspective. So if we turn to Slide 21, we have a rolling 12-month operating cash flow, which we define as EBITDA less CapEx.

The picture shows the cash flow split into Baltic Sea Challenger markets and our investment markets. Baltic Sea Challenger and other the group units, including Germany and IoT, continued to grow its operating cash flow to a very strong SEK 4.2 billion, reflecting both high EBITDA and lower investment levels.

As a company, we always had a focus on cash conversion, which is EBITDA less CapEx divided by EBITDA, and I would like to highlight Sweden here, which has produced 80% cash conversion on the rolling 12-month basis. This reflects a consistent improvement over the past year, as well as clearly outperforming our local peers.

Looking further at the operating cash flow, a substantial positive development has been made in our investment markets, which we define as the Netherlands, Kazakhstan and Croatia. These geographies combined actually reported a positive operating cash flow this quarter, although driven partly by low investments.

On a rolling 12-month basis, you can see that almost 3/4 of the negative operating cash flow we saw at the peak investment period, a little more than a year ago, has not been reduced as cash consumption from investment markets in the last 12 months was just a little more than SEK 600 million. We do expect to increase investments in the coming quarters, especially in Kazakhstan, where we plan to expand the network.

However, I think this slide makes it quite evident that we are in a much different position in our investment market today than we were a year ago. Moving on to debt and leverage.

Our economic debt-to-EBITDA decreased compared to last quarter to 1.7. And, overall, the balance sheet we have is quite healthy.

Moreover, depending on the closing of the sale of Tele2 Austria during the fourth quarter, the possibility of returning these proceeds to our shareholders in an appropriate form will be assessed. On Slide 23, we have a quick update of the Challenger program, which has been a major contributor to our performance during 2017.

We are well on track to reaching at least SEK 850 million of full year benefits that we announced last quarter. And we are also confident that our run rate would be at SEK 1 billion at the end of the year to reach the target for the program.

Finally, I would like to touch on our upgraded guidance on Page 24. Having now seen three quarters of the year with 10%, 12% and 7% growth, respectively, in mobile end-user service revenues, we are upgrading the guidance to high single digits.

For total revenues, our new guidance is at SEK 30 billion to SEK 31 billion to reflect the sale of Austria. We raised our EBITDA guidance at SEK 6.4 billion to SEK 6.6 billion, reflecting over performance in the Netherlands, Kazakhstan and the Baltics.

This is an increase from the previous guidance, which was at SEK 6.0 billion to SEK 6.3 billion, if we exclude an annual contribution of approximately SEK 200 million from the Austrian operation. Finally, on CapEx, which have been very low this year, we do not expect to catch up with the previous guidance with only three months left of the year and we are therefore adjusting the guidance downwards to SEK 2.9 billion to SEK 3.2 billion.

With this EBITDA and CapEx development, cash flow has been strong; and year-to-date, we have had free cash flow of SEK 2.3 billion, which obviously puts us in a good position to reach dividend cover earlier than expected. And with that, I’d like to hand back to you Allison.

Allison Kirkby

Thanks you, Lars. So, as Lars touched on, as you’ll know, we have previously assumed dividend cover would only happen in 2019.

But on the back of this year’s strong momentum and low CapEx, it’s now looking highly likely that we will cover our previously committed dividend of SEK 4 per share already this year. We were therefore pleased to announce this morning that our board will review our dividend policy for 2018 and beyond in connection with our full year results in February.

In addition, with the proceeds from Tele2 Austria due to be received during the fourth quarter and the strength of our balance sheet, they will also review, at the same time, means beyond our ordinary dividend to return these proceeds to our shareholders. So let me finish with our priorities moving forward to ensure that we can continue to deliver the sustainable and growing shareholder value that we aspire to always have.

First and foremost, it all starts with our purpose to fearlessly liberate people to live a more connected life. And as a result, we will continue to monetize the data to the connected life consumers.

And our four key strategic pillars of positively fearless brands, connecting things our customers love, a digital first customer experience and a challenger cost structure are intended to, first, return Sweden to growth despite the headwinds from Roam Like at Home, few industry leading momentum in the Baltics, Netherlands and Kazakhstan that you’ve been seeing these past few quarters, and drive excellence in financial discipline and operational execution in order that the top line momentum continues to flow down to bottom line momentum and excellent cash generation. Our upgraded guidance reflects all of this, but most importantly the confidence we have that our focus on monetization of connectivity will deliver long-term value for our shareholders, our customers and our employees.

And just touching on employees, I’d like to close on a big thank you to all of the Tele2 employees and colleagues for their Challenger spirit and many contributions without which we would not have been able to deliver yet another set of winning results. So that completes our presentation, and Lars and I and Erik will be very happy to take your questions now.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We will now take our first question from Irina Idrissova from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Irina Idrissova

Thanks for taking my question. So just on capital guidance for this year, could you please give us more color around how much of that is kind of a sustainable lower run rate, so the improved financial discipline?

And how much of that is more of a timing impact? And how much we should perhaps expect to come back in 2018 or later?

Thank you.

Lars Nordmark

Yes. So we're not going to give the guidance for next year.

We'll come back on that on the 2nd of February, when we give the Q4 results. I think there are some elements on – around capacity that I mentioned in my introduction that for many reasons spill over into next year.

And then also the customer-driven CapEx around B2B that obviously depends on the volume that we get through in the sale side.

Irina Idrissova

Great, thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Victor Höglund from SEB. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Victor Höglund

Sorry, I also had the CapEx question, so thank you very much.

Lars Nordmark

You're welcome.

Operator

Our next question comes from Nick Lyall from Soc Gen. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Nick Lyall

Good morning all. It's Nick Lyall, Soc Gen.

A couple of questions, please. On the enterprise business, Allison, the comments seem to be a little bit weaker than you'd given before.

So is this – I think before, you'd said your – the contracts were going to be slow to come through in terms of revenue as now it seems a bit more pessimistic. So are you losing existing share or may be just not gaining on tenders that are coming upwards price proving tougher?

Could you give us a little bit more guidance given you've made that comment for 2018? And also just on the dividend, can you just confirm it?

Obviously, you're talking about an increase or an incremental payment being considered potentially for asset sales, but also looking at the underlying ordinary dividend policy as well with the board. Thanks.

Allison Kirkby

Okay. So I'll take.

No I didn't intend for my tone to be more pessimistic than last quarter. We haven't seen anything to change our point of view.

The price competition is still tough and we are still suffering from a weak sales during the early integration of TDC. And as we said last quarter, the sales cycle, when you win a new account, it takes some time three quarters for you to actually benefit from that.

So no change in our tone. It will be several quarters before we return our large enterprise business to growth, but very happy with the progress we made on new customer acquisitions, and retention and extension of contracts in the quarter, but the new customers won't benefit as until into next year.

In terms of the dividend, it's great that our operational momentum will now cover our ordinary dividend already this year, which was the first ambition that we had when we reset a new dividend policy. And as I said, the board will now reflect on that and our balance sheet strength, which is now below 1.7 leverage and the proceeds coming in from Austria we should expect during the fourth quarter when they review next year dividend policy alongside our fourth quarter results.

And as we hinted in the release, they will look at both extraordinary dividend or potentially buybacks that we have the option to do up to 10% share buyback.

Nick Lyall

Okay, that’s great. Thank you.

Allison Kirkby

Thanks, Nick.

Operator

Our next question comes from Sunil Patel from Bank of America. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Sunil Patel

Yes. Hi, thank you for taking my question.

I just have two. One is, can you just remind us regarding Netherlands and the transferability of spectrum.

Is that a possibility in 2018? And do you foresee any combinations in that market to maybe give your existing business some scale?

And just heading into Q4 in Sweden, I mean EBITDA margin declined in Sweden this quarter, which was a little bit lower than at least what I was expecting. What's your view as we head into Q4?

You mentioned that the roaming drag will be less but enterprise still seems to be an issue. Do you think underlying, if you exclude the impact to TDC, can grow EBITDA?

Thank you.

Allison Kirkby

Okay. So, on our transferability of spectrum, our license restrictions end in December.

But as you can see, we have great momentum in our Dutch business at the moment. We are accelerating faster than we expected towards EBITDA breakeven and so it's not our current intention to be transferring that spectrum to anybody, but to be using more of it for our Dutch customer base.

And that we are very much focused on at the moment, Sunil, is continuing to build a great position, a digital Challenger presence in the market that is unique and taking more than 20% market share month after month. In Sweden, Q4, yes, EBITDA was down this quarter.

The Roam Like at Home impact was around SEK 75 million, which is pretty much the whole amount that we were down quarter-on-quarter. We don't expect revenue trends to have improved in Q4 versus Q3 for both Roam Like at Home and B2B reasons, but we expect the EBITDA profile to be better than this quarter, unlikely to be back to growth but it’s more likely to be stable year-on-year.

Sunil Patel

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Maurice Patrick from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Your line is open.

Maurice Patrick

Good morning, guys. I’m Maurice here.

Allison Kirkby

Hi Maurice.

Maurice Patrick

Hi there. Yes, just a couple of questions.

One, very, very simple one, which is, can you give us the mobile data volumes gigabytes per sub in Netherlands and Sweden, please? I’m not sure if you have it at hand, but it will be quite helpful.

And the second question, just on digital transformation, I mean you do pick up on it and made the point about the investments you’ve made. I am interested maybe incumbent to talking about digital transformation as a way to reduce their cost base, be more agile, you’ve been doing this for years.

Don’t you see that as an advantage, as a challenger, that you already have made these steps toward simplifying your business, having that digital journey sorted compared to incumbents in your key markets? Thanks.

Allison Kirkby

Yes. Thanks Maurice.

So your first question, Sweden Tele2 average consumption was 6.9 gig in the quarter, which is up from 4.4 in this quarter last year; Netherlands 3.6 gig, up from 1.1 in the same period last year; and Lithuania is 1.4; Latvia is 2.4; and Estonia is 4. In terms of transformation in the digital journey, yes, we are a challenger and so we’ve got less legacy than others, but we’re still a telco that’s been around for a number of years and we’ve still go – a journey to go on from a transformation point of view.

We are, first and foremost, thinking about digital transformation in the customer experience, because that’s where we boo. Our customers are increasingly demanding for us to be present in all channels and for digital to be simple and easy channel to interact with, but for all the channels to be able to talk to each other.

So it doesn’t matter which channel the customer comes to, they’ll get the same experience and that channel will know who they are and what they want and how we can help them. So, first and foremost, we are focusing on the customer experience and then obviously our Challenger program and all of the work we’ve done on backend operational efficiency is embracing new digital tools to continue improved operational efficiency going forward.

So are we ahead of others? Possibly, but there’s still a journey to go on.

We’re making great progress in the Netherlands, almost 50% of our sales are online now. We have less than 20 stores.

So we really are building a unique digital presence there. We’ve always had a very unique digital presence with Comviq in Sweden, because we didn’t have stores from the beginning.

And we’ve just launched the digital only products in Estonia called Snup to see what we can learn from only making a product available digitally. So lots going on from a customer experience point of view and lots going on to improve operational efficiency as a result as well.

Maurice Patrick

Okay. Thank you very much.

Allison Kirkby

Thanks Maurice.

Operator

Our next question comes from Henrik Herbst from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Your line is open.

Henrik Herbst

Yes. Thanks very much.

I just wanted to ask about Swedish mobile, the unlimited plans, if you could share anything in terms of how popular they are and whether they’ve sort of – you’ve seen popularity increase since you’ve launched them? Then the second question is on Comviq, where I think, as part of your anniversary promotion, you’ve offered double data, has that had any material impact on your top-up revenues at all?

Thanks very much.

Allison Kirkby

Thanks, Henrik. Tele2’s unlimited campaign in Sweden is very attractive to a particular segment of the market.

It’s still a niche product, but it is certainly selling very well and is one of the key contributors to our ASPU growth developing and our underlying data growth going up to 6.9 gig per month. In terms of Comviq, the double the data campaign has had a fantastic impact on retention in the quarter and has really helped a very successful prepaid to postpaid migration in a period obviously were prepaid continues to be on the decline.

So we really use that to target the kids market and to target those consumers who were previously just using prepaid. So has that had a material impact on top-ups in the quarter?

Not really. I didn’t stop that.

Comviq just goes from strength to strength. So if we did lose any top-up volume, we certainly compensated for that with underlying ASPU and great underlying customer growth.

Henrik Herbst

Thanks. When you saying the unlimited plan selling very well, I mean can you give any more details on that in terms of numbers?

Allison Kirkby

So our previous 50 gig, 100 gig, 200 gig buckets used to be about low single digits on a monthly intake. Our unlimited plan basically absorbed all of those plans and we get into double digits in terms of intake.

Henrik Herbst

Okay. And have you seen the share of uptake grow since you launched it?

Or has it sort of been – it jumped up or remained pretty steady?

Allison Kirkby

It remained fairly steady. Spiked a little bit in the summer when there was a lot of campaigns on it.

We’ve got some poster campaigns again in Swedish streets and bus stops at the moment that’s probably driving again, but it’s fairly stable.

Henrik Herbst

Okay. Thanks very much.

Allison Kirkby

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Thomas Heath from Danske Bank. Please go ahead.

Your line is open.

Thomas Heath

Thank you. Thomas here.

Two questions, if I may. Firstly, just to clarify the comment there on profit contributions in Netherlands in Q4, did you say that you should expect a positive contribution from Netherlands mobile in Q4, or did I mishear that?

And then secondly, on Sweden and growth ahead, they’re running into much tougher comparables on revenues and perhaps it gets a little harder to grow EBITDA, should we expect EBITDA relatively flattish for a few quarters in Sweden mobile now, or do you expect to take more Challenger synergies or anything else to move EBITDA upwards if revenue growth is perhaps a little subdued ahead?

Allison Kirkby

Yes. So on the profit contribution on Netherlands in the fourth quarter will be slightly positive for the total Dutch business.

Not, yes, Dutch mobile, it will be total Dutch business. But we’re ahead of – we expect it to be breakeven for the total company for the whole year and we’re definitely ahead of plan on that, and that’s one of the key reasons for adjusting our guidance upwards this morning.

In terms of Sweden growth ahead, yes, you’re right, we’re now coming up against some tough comps. EBITDA was down this quarter, we expect it to be fairly flattish next quarter.

And obviously looking forward, the B2B turnaround from a sales point of view won’t really start kicking in until into 2018. So I think, yes, Sweden flattish EBITDA for the next quarter, and we’ll explain more about next year when we report in early February.

Thomas Heath

Thank you. And could you say just to get some sense of the relative size of the large enterprise business in the Sweden mobile?

Allison Kirkby

It’s about 40% of revenues, roughly I think, but relatively less from an EBITDA point of view.

Lars Nordmark

For the total business from us, it’s about 40% Sweden, and that’s on the mobile side, yes.

Allison Kirkby

Yes, little bit less on mobiles, yes.

Thomas Heath

All right. That’s helpful.

Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ulrich Rathe from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Your line is open.

Ulrich Rathe

Yes, I think I have two questions. The first one is on Swedish mobile and specifically the consumer segment there.

Excluding the Roam Like at Home impact, it has slowed down a bit, if I read your commentary correctly, sort of around about 5% for the last two quarters, at least maybe 3%. How do you interpret that slowdown?

Is that sort of just variability and – or is this really something more meaningful in terms of trends? The second question is with regard to the guidance upgrade, could you sort of just talk a bit more about what drove this in terms of – obviously you can decide to invest less or you could benefit from actionalities which help you and therefore you upgrade.

I’m not sure it’s always such so clear cut, but if you could just sort of explain a bit how much sort of comes because you think that certain investments that you had planned before aren’t so reasonable anymore, or there was really progress in the market, in the revenues that made you raise the guidance quite so closely to the second quarter? And if I may sort of add to that, what makes the visibility so low?

If you decide to touch the guidance for the second quarter, then you follow with this in the third quarter, what sort of changed in that relatively short period of time? Thank you.

Allison Kirkby

Okay. So the first thing is Swedish question.

Yes, excluding Roam Like at Home, we went down to 3%; we’ve previously been at 5%. We are coming up against tougher comps.

So we – and we’ve always said 2% to 3% mobile end-user service revenue is a seen objective for a highly competitive market such as Sweden. And certainly we’ve still got the prepaid business and that was down on the quarter.

But when we get 3% growth on our mobile end-user service revenue in Sweden, we generally flow a huge amount of that down to the bottom line. And as we both touched on our cash conversion in Sweden, 80% is just truly outstanding despite it was a quarter of negative revenue development.

In terms of the guidance upgrade, maybe I’ll let Lars touch on that, because I guess you were focusing mainly on CapEx. So Lars, you want to give more color?

Lars Nordmark

Yes. I think on the current upgrade, you were talking about the EBITDA, is that correct?

Ulrich Rathe

There was a comment on the EBTDA specifically.

Lars Nordmark

Yes, right. So I mean – I think if you look at the main contributors, it was Kazakhstan, Baltics and the Dutch performance.

And I mean we are not holding back investments as far as expansion costs when they are accretive, so we’re not slowing that one down. So I think it’s – the Dutch business has, obviously from an expansion cost perspective, been impacted positively because of the stronger SIM only share that we're seeing, so it's having less subsidy.

I think Baltics is doing a fantastic job on data monetization driving the top line and we've seen good benefits coming through from the efficiency programs that we have in those three countries as well. Last year, the EBITDA margin this quarter was at a very high level, at 40%, as you've seen.

On the Kazakh business, we're just continuing to drive also profitable growth. So I think those are the 3 components that are driving the upward momentum in the guidance that we took in.

Allison Kirkby

And as Lars said, definitely not holding back on investment. We were cautious on Netherlands at the end of Q2, because we were yet to still see what was the sustained impact of the WFT Regulation on handset subsidies in the market.

We haven't seen an acceleration in this quarter, we don't expect in the fourth quarter but we need to keep. The market could shift back into handset subsidies and so that's why we've been holding back on taking the Dutch guidance up.

Certainly, for this year now we have visibility all the way through to the end of the year and we're very comfortable that we have enough investment within our guidance to keep feeling the great momentum that we have in – across our footprint.

Lars Nordmark

I think the last factor is also Roam Like at Home, where when we came up with Q2, we were in the middle of July and now we have better visibility…

Allison Kirkby

Yes, that's right.

Operator

Our next question comes from Johanna Ahlqvist from SEB. Please go ahead.

Your line is open.

Johanna Ahlqvist

Yes, hello. Two questions, if I may.

First of all, on Kazakhstan, if you can update, given the sort of strong performance on your view on the current sort of option value and the value of the shareholder loan plus interest. And then just sort of a detailed question on the net loss, if you can give us any sort of view on – I mean, you mentioned the SIM only focus right now and the handset subsidies are quite limited, but where do you see the sort of biggest uncertainty ahead?

This is the subscriber intake? Or is the ARPU level in the Netherlands?

And then lastly, if I may, just a confirmation that, as I interpret you right, that the CapEx will increase 2018 from 2017 guided levels?

Allison Kirkby

So why don't I take Netherlands and then Lars will pick up the trend in CapEx Kazakhstan. Netherlands, yes, the market is still disproportionately – SIM only more than handset subsidies at the moment.

And as we look forward, we don't see that changing, although what we have seen in October is that the low-tier price lighter brands mainly MVNOs are fighting back from a pricing point of view and T-Mobile have done, again they are not amongst where they through a bunch of subsidies on a promotional level. And where do I see the risk going forward?

It is just really depends if the competitive situation were to suddenly shift. We seem to have done a very consistent job of taking around 20% of the available market, and we're consistently in that 55,000 to 60,000 net intake per quarter, and we've been achieving that either under a SIM only strategy or a handset subsidy strategy.

And ARPU continues to develop very nicely. So I guess the one that is the less – least difficult to predict is how ARPU will develop.

The Dutch consumption is very much still a lot lower than you get in our Swedish and some of our Baltic markets. And so the question will be how quickly will they continue to trade up over time, because their average consumption is still only 3.6 where we have Sweden at 6.9.

But in the short term and what we're seeing at the moment, we've got no reason to believe that the continued momentum can't continue further. And on Kazakhstan and...

Lars Nordmark

Yes. On Kazakhstan, so the option value at the end of Q3 is around 390 million.

We still get another 170 million there, which reflects the good performance of the business. The shareholder loan is currently at around 2.8 billion, obviously it's about a 10 base as you know.

So that's kind of where we're wrapped on the performance on the earn out implication to which is 18% obviously.

Allison Kirkby

Yes, so that’s the 190 is equivalent to an 18% stake and we have fully diluted 31% stake.

Lars Nordmark

And refresh me again on the CapEx, Johanna.

Johanna Ahlqvist

The CapEx question was basically, if I interpret your right, that CapEx 2018 should increase on the guided level in 2017?

Lars Nordmark

Yes, it will be an improvement or a slight increase in balance sheet CapEx, yes. Remember that the cash flow CapEx that we have at the end of Q3 is around $2.4 billion.

Allison Kirkby

Yes, we’ve had a particularly low CapEx year in Sweden this year and I would expect that, that will go up next year to support continued data growth and capacity growth in the market.

Johanna Ahlqvist

Thank you very much.

Allison Kirkby

Over the key years 2017 and 2018 the progress that we’ve made on operational efficiency, Challenger program, synergy benefits – over the two years, the CapEx will be lower than we previously expected.

Lars Nordmark

Operator, we will need to finish the call in a couple of minutes. So can we have one more question, please?

Operator

Certainly. Our final question comes from Lena Osterberg from Carnegie.

Please go ahead your line is open.

Lena Osterberg

Yes. I also have a question on the Dutch business, of course.

I’m trying to figure out your OpEx base. How much of the year-over-year lower OpEx is related to lower network costs?

And how much is related to lower SAC? And then also on the Challenger program, how much do you – how much have to extract out of the SEK 100 million for the full year into the fourth quarter?

Allison Kirkby

Okay.

Lars Nordmark

Yes. We haven’t managed from the quarter.

But currently on the Challenger program, we’re on track to get to the SEK 850 million so that was SEK million. So that’s SEK 250.

So we’re on track on getting to that level. And I would say it’s fairly even over the quarters, especially coming as of Q2, Q3 onwards.

Lena Osterberg

Okay.

Lars Nordmark

And on the nature of cost in the Netherlands, Lena, this is a combination of us driving the roaming cost down, which any more separately, and increase in – basically the other kind of side-ground goals [ph] and so forth, which comes from an increase in network – basically the rollout that we have in the country, where we’re now at 3,100 sites compare to last year, I guess I won’t give you a wrong number here. Let me get back to you on that one.

Allison Kirkby

But I’d expect the vast majority is lower SAC, because we’ve got significantly lower handset sales, because that’s – we’re getting the benefits from lower roaming, but we’ve got more sites now this year than we had last year. So one probably offset the other.

So the vast majority will be lower SAC, Lena, but Lars will get back to you.

Lena Osterberg

Okay, thank you.

Allison Kirkby

Thanks Lena.

Lars Nordmark

Thank you, operator. So we need to finish the call here.

Thanks, everyone, for listening. And we will talk again in three months time on the 2nd of February.

Allison Kirkby

Thank you all. Have a good day.