Universal Stainless & Alloy Products, Inc.

Universal Stainless & Alloy Products, Inc.

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Q1 2012 · Earnings Call Transcript

Apr 26, 2012

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Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Universal Stainless First Quarter 2012 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call may be recorded.

Operator

I would now like to introduce your host for today’s conference, June Filingeri. Ma’am, you may begin.

June Filingeri

Thank you, Sam. Good morning.

This is June Filingeri of Comm-Partners, and I’d also like to welcome you to the Universal Stainless conference call. We are here to discuss the company’s first quarter 2012 results reported this morning.

June Filingeri

With us from management are Denny Oates, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; Bill Beible, Senior Vice President of Operations; Paul McGrath, Vice President of Administration and General Counsel; Doug McSorley, Vice President of Finance and Chief Financial Officer; and Chris Zimmer, Vice President of Sales and Marketing.

Before I turn the call over to management, let me quickly review procedures. Again, after management has made formal remarks, we will take your questions and our conference coordinator, Sam, will instruct you on procedures at that time.

Also please note that in this morning’s call, management will make forward-looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. I would like to remind you of the risks related to these statements, which are more fully described in today’s press release and in the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

With the formalities out of the way, I’d now like to turn the call over to Denny Oates. Denny, we are ready to begin.

Dennis Oates

Thanks, June. Good morning, everyone.

Thanks for joining us today. We are pleased to announce that first quarter sales represent a new quarterly record for Universal.

Sales were $74.6 million, up 25% over the first quarter of 2011 on an 8% volume increase. Gross margin dollars were also at record levels, despite fluctuating nickel prices.

Dennis Oates

Operating income increased 39% and the operating margin on our Legacy Universal business of 14.2% was at a 5-year high. While favorable end market trends supported these results, further execution on 3 main strategic initiatives continue to drive our sales performance and profitability gains in the quarter.

The first is our strategy to move sales mix towards higher-value, more technologically advanced products. In the 2012 first quarter, finished products represented 41% of total sales, compared with 37% in the first quarter last year, and 39% in the 2011 fourth quarter.

The second is maintaining a relentless focus on reducing costs by process improvement and capturing the benefits of recent capital investments. And third is pricing strategy and discipline.

Earnings per share for the first quarter were $0.86, including a $0.07 benefit for state taxes and an after-tax loss of $0.03 associated with the North Jackson startup. We did not achieve the operational accretion we projected for North Jackson due to a hot metal spill, which occurred during commissioning of our vacuum induction melting furnace.

Furnace repair work and other store-related costs totaled $0.05 per share. Our team did a great job recovering and the furnace has been operating without incidents since February.

Were it not for the spill, North Jackson would have been slightly accretive to first quarter results as we planned. Our North Jackson operation once fully operational will substantially accelerate our progress in achieving a new level of profitable growth for Universal.

Let me update you on the startup activities during the quarter. Commissioning of the vacuum induction melting furnace resumed in earnest after melting our first heat late last year.

Our operating plan calls for 3 heats per week as we refine melting practices and downstream processes. Customers will begin receiving test materials to begin the approval process this quarter.

Our 2 new vacuum arc remelt furnaces are now running around the clock and have been since late January. We are now working towards AS 9100 certification for our melt shop in North Jackson with the target of early summer for certification.

Production on our new hydraulic radial forge has increased each month since the acquisition last August. Our first quarter production was 50% above the fourth quarter of 2011.

AS 9100 certification for forging operations was achieved earlier than planned in March. The heat treating and finishing equipment has been commissioned and all equipment is operating well.

The infrastructure preparation for the 2 additional vacuum arc remelt furnaces has been completed and the furnaces are on schedule for delivery and installation during the third quarter.

In short, we continue to make important strides in fully integrating North Jackson into our manufacturing processes companywide and expect North Jackson to be fully accretive in the second quarter. The heavy lifting in terms of investment and ramp up of North Jackson will continue for the next few quarters.

In the first quarter, our investment in working capital for North Jackson and in support of our higher sales activity companywide resulted in negative cash flow from operations of $3.8 million. We ended the first quarter with backlog of $101.3 million, including $16 million for our North Jackson facility.

Backlog at year-end 2011 was $102.6 million.

As I said earlier, end market trends were generally favorable in the first quarter. Let’s take a look at some of the markets.

Aerospace sales reached 50% of our total sales in the first quarter versus 41% in the same quarter a year ago, and 46% of sales in the 2011 fourth quarter. Our aerospace sales increased 54% from the 2011 first quarter and 31% sequentially that follows full-year 2011 growth of 62% in our aerospace business.

The strong backlogs, order books and planned production ramp ups of Boeing and Airbus continue to point to a vibrant outlook for the commercial aircraft market for some time to come. The combined Boeing/Airbus backlog is currently estimated to represent about 7 years of production.

Production levels are ramping up for numerous platforms. As I noted last quarter, the challenge for aerospace suppliers is to keep pace with demand and expect the production rate increases.

The addition of North Jackson will enable us to meet more of that demand.

Petrochemical remained our second largest market in the first quarter, representing 21% of total sales compared with 23% in the 2011 first quarter and 21% in the fourth quarter. Our sales to the petrochemical market where we are strategically focused on oil and gas increased 14% from the year-ago first quarter and 17% from the fourth quarter.

Demand for our steels comes mostly from the harsh environments in exploration and production.

In their earnings report last week, Halliburton and Schlumberger both reported strong exploration and deepwater activity internationally and in the Gulf of Mexico with a shift towards more liquids and less gas. Halliburton specifically noted there was a 12% increase in U.S.

oil-directed rig count which has reached the 25-year high, nearly offset by a 17% decline in natural gas rig count. From a supply chain perspective, inventories remain in balance and the outlook remains strong.

Power generation sales represented 15% of total sales in the first quarter of 2012 versus 18% in both the first and fourth quarters of 2011. Power generation sales increased 4% from the first quarter and were down 1% from the fourth quarter.

Power generation demand in terms of maintenance remains solid. However, the new turbine market signals are mixed.

We’ve received recent inquiries from customers about our plans to gear up for new turbine business in 2013. That optimism was echoed in recent favorable remarks by GE in their first quarter call.

GE reaffirmed its forecast of 137 new gas turbine deliveries in 2012, an increase from 2011, even though their orders for gas turbines in the first quarter totaled 23 versus 27 in the 2011 first quarter. GE did note seeing and I’m quoting “a lot of activity” in gas turbine demand around the world.

It is also noteworthy that in U.S. market electricity produced by gas-powered transmission has increased year-over-year even though overall electricity demand is down.

That’s obviously a positive for our maintenance business now and new turbine business in the future. Low gas prices are also beneficial for gas turbine usage.

On balance, we are cautiously optimistic that the long delayed new turbine business will begin to materialize in 2013.

Service center plate represented 6% of sales in the first quarter versus 9% in the first quarter last year and 8% in the fourth quarter. Tool steel sales generally account for most of our sales in the category.

In the first quarter, our tool steel sales decreased 22% from the first quarter last year, but rose 20% sequentially. Imports are continuing to impact the market.

Tool steel imports increased 32% for the full year 2011 and 19% in January. However, our tool steel backlog continues to improve and the news on the automotive front remains positive.

Overall, U.S. light vehicle sales increased 12.7% in March.

With that, let me turn the call over to Doug at this point for his financial report.

Douglas McSorley

Thank you, Denny. As Denny said, our first quarter sales were a record $74.6 million, an increase of $14.8 million or 24.7% from the first quarter of 2011 on an 8.4% increase in shipments.

A continued favorable sales mix of higher-value products along with increased pricing also contributed to the sales increase. Sequentially, sales increased by $12.4 million or 20% on an 18.7% increase in shipments.

Douglas McSorley

Our gross margin in the first quarter reached a record level of $14.3 million, an increase of $3.5 million or 32.2% from the same quarter last year. It was higher by $2.4 million or 19.9% from the 2011 fourth quarter.

Our first quarter 2012 gross margin includes the impact of the North Jackson ramp-up cost for the metal spill and VIM related charges that totaled $530,000. As a percentage of sales, the gross margin including these costs was 19.1%, which was up from 18.1% in the first quarter of 2011 and level with the fourth quarter of 2011.

Selling, general and administrative expense for the first quarter was $4.6 million, an increase of $753,000 or 19.7% from the first quarter of 2011, but down $308,000 or 6.3% from the fourth quarter. Our first quarter 2012 SG&A includes $740,000 for the North Jackson facility.

As a percentage sales, SG&A expense was 6.1% in the 2012 first quarter versus 6.4% in the same quarter last year and 7.9% in the 2011 fourth quarter.

Operating income was $9.7 million in the first quarter of 2012, an increase of $2.7 million from both the first quarter of 2011 and the 2011 fourth quarter. This represented increases of 39.1% and 38.2% respectively.

The operating margin was 13% in the 2012 first quarter compared with 11.7% in the 2011 first quarter and 11.3% in the 2011 fourth quarter.

The operating losses recognized for North Jackson in each quarter were $327,000 in the first quarter of 2012, $854,000 in the fourth quarter of 2011. In the first quarter of 2011, we recognized $419,000 of due diligence cost.

Before including the North Jackson related expenses in each period, we achieved an operating margin of 14.2% of sales in the first quarter of 2012 compared with 12.4% in the first quarter of 2011 and 12.8% in the fourth quarter.

Interest expense was $704,000 in the 2012 first quarter, compared with $125,000 in the same quarter of 2011 and $569,000 in the fourth quarter. The most recent periods reflect our increased debt for the North Jackson acquisition.

Late in the first quarter of 2012, we amended our credit facility which will have a positive impact going forward and which I’ll address in a few minutes.

Turning to taxes, our effective tax rate for the first quarter of 2012 was 30.2%. In the first quarter of 2012, we recognized a benefit for tax adjustments related to state taxes.

Based on our current tax position, we expect that our annual effective tax rate will be 35.1% for the balance of the year.

In terms of cash taxes, as we’ve discussed previously, we generated a taxable loss in 2011 and refundable taxes due to the acquisition of North Jackson and the accelerated depreciation from placing those assets in service. In early 2012, we filed for a recovery of $4.5 million of estimated tax payments made in 2011 prior to the acquisition and we received that reimbursement in the first quarter.

Also, we have the option to elect a carry back for cash recovery of federal taxes paid in 2010 as well, which would have an estimated cash recovery of $5.4 million, but if we do so, it would result in an increased tax rate.

The number of shares used in computing the diluted earnings per share in the first quarter was 7.4 million, which is the same level as the fourth quarter, but above the $7 million shares in the first quarter of 2011. The increase is the result of convertible note provided as consideration for the North Jackson acquisition.

Our net income for the first quarter of 2012 was $6.3 million or $0.86 per diluted share. This included a benefit of $0.07 per diluted share due to income tax adjustments.

It also included a loss of $0.03 per share attributed to the North Jackson facility. In the first quarter of 2011, net income was $4.4 million or $0.64 per diluted share, included $0.04 per diluted share of acquisition expense for North Jackson.

In the fourth quarter of 2011, net income was $4.3 million or $0.59 per diluted share, including a total of $0.13 per diluted share of expense related to North Jackson.

Turning to the balance sheet, our managed working capital as of the end of the 2012 first quarter, which includes receivables and inventory less accounts payable, was 35.6% of annualized sales compared with 36.5% in the first quarter of 2011 and 35.3% in the 2011 fourth quarter. Capital expenditures for the first quarter were $9.7 million, including $7.4 million for North Jackson.

At the end of the quarter, our total debt was $103.9 million and our debt to total capitalization was 35.7%. In the first quarter of 2012, we announced that we amended our credit agreement with our bank syndicate.

The amendment improved the terms of the facility by lowering interest rates by 50 basis points. It gives us additional flexibility in the structure of our credit facilities and extends the maturity date to 2017 from 2016.

The agreement increases commitments under our revolver to $105 million from $75 million while reducing the term loan facility to $20 million from $40 million, and thereby reducing our quarterly principal payment to $750,000 from $1.5 million. It also extends the start date of scheduled payments by one year to July 1, 2013.

That concludes my report. Denny, I’ll turn it back to you for concluding remarks.

Dennis Oates

Thanks, Doug. In summary, our first quarter sales increased 25% to a record $74.6 million.

Profitability continued to improve in the quarter as evidenced by our recent gross margin, by our record gross margin, and a 5-year high operating margin on our Legacy Universal business. Sales mix, cost reduction and pricing initiatives drove that improvement as in generally favorable end markets.

Dennis Oates

We made further important progress on our start-up of North Jackson, although a metal spill kept it from being accretive during the quarter. We fully expect to be operationally accretive in North Jackson in the second quarter.

We entered the second quarter with $100 million plus in backlog in strong markets. We will continue to focus on driving profitable growth by expanding our product portfolio with higher-margin products, improving manufacturing prices is to reduce cost and cut cycle times and on positioning Universal to seize current and emerging market opportunities.

Once North Jackson is completed, our ability to do so will expand substantially.

That concludes our formal remarks. We’re now looking forward to your questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Michael Gallo of CL King.

Michael Gallo

A couple of questions. The SG&A level in the first quarter was lower than it’s been on a sequential basis over the last couple of quarters despite the increase in sales.

Is that a good number to use going forward or is there anything unusual about the first quarter or I would have thought as you start to ramp Patriot up that you might see an increase in that?

Dennis Oates

In fact, Mike, some of our rate costs for the North Jackson facility are starting to come down in the SG&A, but the primary driver of the decrease is the variable component of our labor cost. Our performance targets are reset every year and that’s where you’re seeing the decrease in the first quarter from the fourth quarter of last year.

Michael Gallo

Right. So going forward, assuming Patriot ramps up and some of the performance targets are met, you would expect that level increase, is that right?

Dennis Oates

That’s right. That’s right.

Michael Gallo

Okay. The second question, perhaps I missed it, did you give what the revenue from Patriot was in the first quarter?

Dennis Oates

It was for both the plant-based external sales and those that are being transacted through Bridgeville and our other facilities, it was $3.8 million.

Michael Gallo

Okay. So $3.8 million.

As you look at the backlog, could you talk a little bit about the ramp of kind of how you expect that to transact through in the second quarter? I mean I guess I would have thought it would have ramped a little more.

How much did the spill cost you in terms of what you would have expected to ship on a revenue basis in the quarter?

Dennis Oates

Let me take those in reverse order, Mike. As far as the spill goes, it didn’t really affect shipments in the first quarter.

From a VIM standpoint or vacuum induction melting standpoint, we’re truly in a ramp-up phase, so we’re melting products. A little of that’s going to get to the marketplace directly until the third quarter, fourth quarter timeframe and we’ll ramp up very gradually from there.

Right now, we’re making product to test the melting system downstream processes and start beginning to send material to customers so that they can begin the approval process on the facility. As far as the backlog goes, if you look at the fundamental markets we’ve positioned the company in, we see a pretty solid year.

So I would expect that number to be bouncing around in that $100 million to $110 million range as we go through the year. We are working very diligently to get product through our system faster.

So you won’t necessarily see the same correlation between backlog and sales dollars as you’ve seen in the past.

Michael Gallo

Okay, great. And then just -- go ahead.

Dennis Oates

I thought you asked a question about the ramp up of North Jackson?

Michael Gallo

Yes.

Dennis Oates

If you look at the forge, I would expect the forging operations itself; you should see continuous growth each quarter as we go through this year. As I described in my prepared remarks, our production is up about 50%.

We’re not going to increase 50% every quarter, I’m not saying that, but you can see each month improvement in the throughput and higher volumes going through North Jackson.

Dennis Oates

The vacuum induction -- our melt shop itself from a remelt standpoint, the 2 furnaces are running full right now. From a vacuum induction melting standpoint, we’re still in a commissioning mode, I would characterize it.

So you’ll see more heats made in the second quarter and then gradual improvement as we get into the third and fourth quarter as we get approvals and start to get some of that material out in the marketplace.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Dan Whalen of Auriga USA.

Daniel Whalen

Great. Did you guys mention or maybe do you have a backlog number for the current month?

Douglas McSorley

We’re at $102.6 million.

Daniel Whalen

Is that the end of the quarter or is that the end of...

Douglas McSorley

End of the quarter.

Daniel Whalen

Okay. That’s for April?

Douglas McSorley

I would say when you look at our bookings versus what we would intend to ship in April, you won’t see much deviation from that. We’ll be at about the same number.

Daniel Whalen

Okay. And I would imagine the composition of that is largely driven by aerospace and petrochem, is that fair?

Douglas McSorley

Well, it would mirror our percentage of sales. So yes, aerospace would be the largest piece of that somewhere in the 45% to 50% range; power gen would be around 20%.

Daniel Whalen

And then, I understand that...

Douglas McSorley

Oil and gas would be about that same range.

Daniel Whalen

Okay. I understand nickel is a timing issue, but did that have any negative impact on the gross margins this quarter just from a timing issue?

Dennis Oates

It’s difficult to quantify, but if you look at when we melted many of the products that we shipped in the first quarter, a lot of that stuff was melted with $8.50 or $9 a pound nickel.

Dennis Oates

And as you know, nickel has dropped down into the $8.50 range. So what you’ve seen is over the course of the first quarter is declining surcharges and easily get pinched a little bit over the short term there.

Over the long term, it balances out.

Daniel Whalen

Sure. Should we expect a little pinch in the second quarter, maybe?

Dennis Oates

It depends on your outlook for nickel.

Daniel Whalen

Assuming it stays...

Dennis Oates

Probably hold the forecast nickel, right now, my best estimate is it’s going to move sideways and stay between $8, $9 a pound, so I wouldn’t think you’d see much of an impact.

Daniel Whalen

Okay, great. And then if I may ask just one more, just you mentioned the imports pressuring the markets, just any commentary you could share on your view on that topic and is it accelerating, decelerating?

Dennis Oates

That strictly applies to our tool steel plate business, all right. It doesn’t have anything to do with our aerospace, power gen, or oil and gas business.

And as you look at 2011, there was an increase and it looks like it’s plateaued up there, continuing to increase on a year-over-year basis. Most of that material is coming in from China.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Phil Gibbs of KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Philip Gibbs

Are you expecting it -- are you expecting at this point for revenues to be better in the second quarter than they were in the first or should relatively stable at this point?

Dennis Oates

I would think directionally you should expect revenues to be up slightly.

Philip Gibbs

Okay. And as far as volume, the volume that you would characterize coming out of North Jackson, out of the 14,000 tons you shipped in the first quarter, how many can we earmark out of North Jackson, any sense there?

Dennis Oates

You’re talking 14,000, and we always talk pounds as you know.

Philip Gibbs

I was just -- well, yes.

Dennis Oates

Just a commentary on North Jackson, keep in mind that North Jackson is an integral part of our entire manufacturing process, even though we talk about it as a separate entity, you guys know what’s going on. But if you look at what’s going through the forge you’re talking about 2.5 million to 3 million pounds a month in the second quarter; and VIM will be picking up activity as we go through the second quarter, but most of that won’t be translated into shipments.

Dennis Oates

Some of that activity on the forge will be conversion business that goes directly -- comes in and goes right out the customers. It’s not part of our backlog because it’s pretty quick turnaround.

It basically comes in one day and it’s forged that week, and goes back to a customer, and the remainder would be material that we previously used to make in Bridgeville and send to a third party, which we’re now using our own forge for.

Philip Gibbs

Okay. And the remelt capabilities that you have in North Jackson presumably, you’re moving products from Bridgeville into there as well, so that’s what you’re talking about as far as the integrated supply chain?

Dennis Oates

As well as forging, it’s remelting as well as forging.

Philip Gibbs

Okay. So going forward we should probably think about it more as an integrated unit to your point?

Dennis Oates

Absolutely.

Philip Gibbs

Okay. And I just have a nuance question here, Doug, on the interest costs.

Did you have any refinancing in that number, any costs associated with that renewal of the credit facility?

Douglas McSorley

We did, Phil, but you won’t see that make any impact since the anniversary of the deal was pushed out another year. So the averaging impact of the additional costs basically equates to where our run rate of the amortization of our original financing cost was.

Philip Gibbs

Okay. And if I could just ask one more, the price increase that you guys put through on the premium products earlier this year.

How should we be thinking about that impacting you guys and one, should we think about you realizing those increases assuming that they’re going through?

Christopher M. Zimmer

Yes, this is Chris Zimmer. The increase that we put into the marketplace was affected for new orders, which is really going to start to translate into shipments in late second quarter and third quarter for sure.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Lloyd O’Carroll of Davenport.

Lloyd O'Carroll

Denny, you’ve talked about the major benefit this year as cost reduction as you pull in outside forging, outside VAR melt. Can you give us some idea of the magnitude of that cost reduction, and at what point -- how long will it take you to achieve?

Dennis Oates

Two things. On a remelt side, Lloyd, because it was kind of good news/bad news thing I guess in a sense in terms of cost reduction.

The good news is we’ve been very successful in selling our remelted products. We’ve grown that end of the business.

So as a result, we fully loaded up those 2 new vacuum arc remelt furnaces. All of our other furnaces continue to be full and we still have a need for outside support.

So it hasn’t been a quick pro quo there because our top line has been stronger. As far as the forging goes, as you know, we used to participate in some of these markets and we would take product that was produced in Bridgeville and send it to a third party for forging and bring it back.

Volumes on that was somewhere in the range of 10 million to 12 million pounds and we’re probably saving in a range of $0.10 to $0.12 a pound on every one of those.

Lloyd O'Carroll

Okay. And then when your other 2 VARs get put in this summer, when will they be operational and able to take the next step?

Dennis Oates

Early in the fourth quarter.

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Roberts of NorthPointe Capital.

Stephen Roberts

I had just kind of a more bigger picture question as far as the aerospace industry. I’m seeing data showing that the U.S.

Civil Aircraft inventories are -- they’ve been going up for several years or new highs and that orders this year are down substantially, it was a volatile series. Can you kind of talk about the chain in the aerospace industry and where you see your products as far as over-inventoried or under inventoried?

Dennis Oates

We just -- it’s interesting, there was just an Aerospace Metals Conference in Pittsburgh here this week. So I guess starting at the top, there is a very deep backlog that goes out depending upon what numbers you want to use, about 7 years of backlog on the commercial aerospace side.

The fuel efficiency of new airplanes is very significant, which is driving a lot of this. So we don’t see any cancellations or deferrals or anything along those lines of that backlog simply because the economic issues with high gas prices, high fuel prices and what that means to the ultimate customers of these commercial airlines.

As far as the inventories go right now, we sell primarily to distributors and forgers. We don’t sell directly to OEMs.

Most of our existing product goes into structural applications and will be migrating with the vacuum induction melting addition into more higher-end products in the aerospace world. As we look at those inventories on the service center side, they look very much in balance.

In fact, arguably, if you look at some of the metal service center institute numbers, a little bit on the low side by historical standards. And I would say forgers in the aerospace supply chain are very adequate, things look to be in balance, nothing out of balance.

You get mixed reviews on the fastener side. Fasteners is not as big a part of our business as some of the other structural components that we have, but right now I would characterize our fastener customers as being pretty much in balance, although I do hear anecdotal stories about some shortages there, depending upon whether it’s going to Airbus or Boeing.

Stephen Roberts

Okay. And so when you say structural application, is that air body or is that different, I’m showing another report, they were talking about the -- they’re saying, I’m sorry airframes were over-inventory right now, had excess inventory.

Dennis Oates

I don’t know what report you’re looking at, we’re not seeing that at all.

Operator

Our next question is a follow-up from Michael Gallo of CL King.

Michael Gallo

Hey, Denny, just a more philosophical question on tool steel plate, it’s obviously come down over the last year or so. It seems like the competitive dynamic with imports has gotten more significant, is it becoming just more difficult for you to compete in that market, is this a structural change where it’s going to be more difficult to grow it, do you see anything that’s kind of changed that in terms of the imports or should we expect that the tool steel plate business is going to see pressure from imports all year?

Dennis Oates

I wouldn’t look at the tool steel plate business itself as a growth vehicle for Universal. We look it as a business we’re committed to.

We have some unique facilities that give us a competitive edge in that marketplace and we play to a very specific niche in the marketplace. There has been some competitive changes in the marketplace with the increase in imports coming mainly from China.

That kind of goes with the territory a little bit. So I guess -- as I look at our tool steel plate business, we’re committed to the market.

It’s a nice product line for us, but it’s not going to drive significant growth for us. It’s a very lumpy business when you look at the history, if you go back and look.

It really is divorced from our aerospace, oil and gas and petrochem business. There really is very little correlation between the growth markets we position the company in and tool steel which is much slower growing.

Michael Gallo

Just the broader question then is; one, can you hold the volumes you have? And two, is there a point where it just becomes non-core to be in the business?

Obviously, some of your competitors had exited that business some years ago.

Dennis Oates

We’re very committed to the tool steel plate market, so we’re not anywhere close to a decision about not producing tool steel plate at this point in time. In fact, there are probably opportunities for us to do some things in the whole tool steel world including some of the rounds we’ll be able to make with North Jackson, which will give us further strength in that marketplace, but it’s not a market that’s growing.

It doesn’t have the fundamental growth characteristics that you see in aerospace, power gen, or oil and gas.

Michael Gallo

Great. Second question I want to ask is just on power gen.

I was wondering if there is any way to clarify or breakdown how much benefit if any, you got from increased maintenance as a result of natural gas switching this winter? Obviously, that tends to be a pretty quick turn business.

So I was wondering if you saw much of that in the first quarter?

Dennis Oates

Well, if you look at our sales trends, it’s pretty flat compared to the fourth quarter. So I guess that would tell you not a heck of a lot, but it’s very difficult for me to sit here and tell you exactly how much fluctuation quarter-to-quarter is due to something like that.

When you look -- we’re selling to forgers and we’re selling to distributors there as well. So we don’t have that direct contact with the end-use customer.

Operator

At this time, I’m not showing any further questions. I’d like to turn the call back to Mr.

Oates for any further remarks.

Dennis Oates

Thanks again for joining us today. We started 2012 on a strong footing and are fully focused on making additional progress during the course of the year.

We will look forward to updating you on our progress during our next call. Have a good day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This concludes today’s program.

You may all disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.