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Q1 2013 · Earnings Call Transcript

May 2, 2013

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Executives

Brian Dingerdissen - Director of Investor Relations Nicholas DeBenedictis - Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Executive Committee, Member of Disclosure Committee, Chairman of Consumers Water Company, Chairman of Pennsylvania Suburban Water Company, Chief Executive Officer of Consumers Water Company and Chief Executive Officer of Pennsylvania Suburban Water Company

Analysts

Heike M. Doerr - Robert W.

Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division Jonathan Reeder - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division Gerard J.

Sweeney - Boenning and Scattergood, Inc., Research Division Stewart Scharf - S&P Equity Research

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Aqua America Incorporated Fourth Quarter 2012 (sic) [First Quarter 2013] Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded.

At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Brian Dingerdissen, Director of Investor Relations.

Please go ahead, sir.

Brian Dingerdissen

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for Aqua America's First Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call.

If you did not receive a copy of the press release, you can find it by visiting the Investor Relations section of our website at aquaamerica.com or by calling Fred Martino at (610) 645-1196. There will also be a webcast of this event available on our site.

Presenting today is Nicholas DeBenedictis, Chairman and President of Aqua America, along with David Smeltzer, the company's Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, some of the matters discussed during this call may include forward-looking statements that involve risk, uncertainties and other factors that may cause the actual results to be materially different from any future results expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements.

Please refer to our most recent 10-Q, 10-K and other SEC filings for a description of such risk and uncertainties. During the course of this call, reference may be made to certain non-GAAP financial measures.

Reconciliation of these non-GAAP to GAAP financial measures are posted in the Investor Relations section of the company's website. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Nick for his formal remarks.

After which, we will open the call up for questions. Nick?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

Thank you, Brian, and good morning, everyone. Pleased to report on strong first quarter performance, as Aqua's on its way to its 14th straight year of record earnings.

As a quick update, our Annual Meeting will be held next week, May 8, and signs are that all things will go smoothly and we already have a quorum. Going back to the earnings call, net income for the quarter grew 23% to $46.6 million.

Corresponding earnings per share were $0.33 versus $0.27 in the first quarter of '12 on 1.3% more shares outstanding. Income from continuing operations was up a strong 53%, represented by $0.29 per share in the quarter versus $0.19 last year.

During the quarter, management executed on our strategic programs of profitable growth through our region acquisitions, investment in infrastructure, while holding down customer rates through the use of the favorable tax policies that we explained in the last earnings call and we'll get into a little bit more today. Successfully disposing of assets for sale and maintaining our position as the most cost-efficient utility and one of the strongest financially in the nation.

Revenues are strong in the quarter, up 10% to $180 million, positively driven by customer growth from acquisitions in comparison of the Aqua Ohio purchase of quarter-over-quarter last year was not in the numbers, and 16 others that were bought during the last year in 6 other states. That represented, of the 10%, 6.5% of it.

Great activities for '12, which come in to '13 and those in '13 already. Mainly Pennsylvania, New Jersey, where we had cases decided last April and June in Pennsylvania and New Jersey and 4 other states added 4% to the revenue growth.

But they were negatively -- but the earnings for the quarter were negatively affected -- I'm sorry, not earnings but revenues for the quarter were negatively affected by consumption being down about 0.5%. In addition to the 18 acquisitions made last year, including the American Water's properties in Ohio, Aqua closed on 4 system acquisitions so for this year, 3 in Pennsylvania and 1 smaller in Virginia.

The largest of these was Treasure Lake for about $12 million and gives us a foothold in the key county in the northern part of Pennsylvania. Management believes we're on target to close about 20 system acquisitions during 2013.

Operating efficiency continues to improve, although expenses on continuing operations were up 5.4% in the first quarter. It was due almost exclusively to the acquisition of the 59,000 new customers in Ohio, where there were no expenses last year, and this year, we had expenses to run that part of the system.

And that represents 6% customer growth. So you can see the comparison of the 5.4% is in line.

By the way, that acquisition continues to add earnings, as it did last year, and continues to add earnings to that in '13. Management continues to focus on the expense side of the ledger and what we looked at was our same system, if you take a look -- take out the Ohio and we believe O&M expenses increased about 2% year-over-year.

The third element, improving first quarter earnings was the adoption of the repaired tax method in Pennsylvania in December of '12, which lowered our effective tax rate in the quarter of 39% in Q1 of '12 to 15% in Q1 of '13. Now recall that last year, $0.22 of positive impact from the repair tax was all booked in the fourth quarter of '12, when we decided to take that tax election.

And in 2013, it's being booked over 4 quarters. If you want to use an estimate of probably about $0.05, that would have occurred in Q1 of '12, if we had taken it over 4 quarters last year.

Then you can get -- probably a more accurate comparison of quarter-to-quarter operating results, continuing ops, we reported because that's the accounting way to do it, a 53% gain. But if you do your own addition and add -- subtraction, you'll see that probably it's closer to the 20% to 23% we're showing in the net income reporting.

And still pretty strong, and we're very pleased with it. But I wanted to point that out as an anomaly.

Net income in the first quarter of '13 was also complemented by a $0.03 gain from the sale of our -- 2/3 of our Florida assets to 3 different entities. This has not been an easy exit, we announced it last year about this time, that we were going to exit Florida because of our concern over the lack of profitability and earnings on our assets.

And the toughest 2/3 have been disposed of. These were the ones that we're losing most of the money.

Matter of fact, our remaining operation is actually profitable. Operations.

Because of depreciation no longer taken on discontinued as one of the factors, but also because we tightened things up. It's amazing when you're getting -- when you're selling something, it actually gets better.

But anyhow, we are depending from the discontinued ops and $0.03 from the sale. And that got us from 29 from continuing up to the 33 on net income.

Now the comparison in the first quarter of last year because the 33 versus 29 on net income is not as dramatic as the 29 from continuing versus the 19. Last year's first quarter actually included $0.08 from the main that we sold to Connecticut Water.

And Aqua's making progress on the sale of the remaining part of our Florida assets. As a matter of fact, in the second quarter, very early in April, we actually sold the Lake Suzy assets to Desoto County and that'll be a second quarter event.

And we're in negotiations with Sarasota County to merge Aqua's water and wastewater assets with counties. And that will likely be a third quarter event.

Another positive development in our pruning programs are -- was the fact that we had property condemned in 2008 by the City of Fort Wayne, the portion of our operations there that was in the northern part of their city. We disagreed with their process during the condemnation and after 4 years, 5 years now of court battling, we won a significant ruling, or I should say, we won.

There was a recent favorable and yet a Supreme Court ruling on our appeal to get a jury trial and being able to provide valuation testimony. We think this is a positive as we perceived, but we don't expect this to affect our P&L until 2014 at the earliest.

Two issues of temporary concern is the wet goals frame-to-date mid-Atlantic and Midwest states. It is absolutely affected consumption-to-date in 2013 and the slow start to drilling in '13 now that our Marcellus water pipeline joint venture with PVR is in place.

There's plenty of time for the weather to turn around and in May and June and we're still very confident. An area that stands out in the first quarter results is our strengthening financial position.

Our S&P A+ rating for our Pennsylvania noted subsidiary was recently reaffirmed and only one utility has a higher S&P rating of the 229 S&P rates. We did some further refinancing during the second quarter.

That should lower our embedded cost of debt now below the 5.06 that was earmarked in the release. However not as evident is the growth that we've seen in the internal cash generation.

This the first time I can recall in my 21 years as CEO of Aqua that we far exceeded our cash needs in the quarter, as we continue to implement record cash flow investment programs. And as a reminder, we're doing almost 3x depreciation and is over $325 million in '13.

In the first quarter, we internally generated $89 million, which easily covered the $75 million outgoing for the capital program for acquisitions, which were heavier in the first quarter than normal and our pipeline venture, which is now completed. In addition $52 million of the proceeds from the partial sale of our Florida assets came in during the quarter.

And that enabled us to pay down $42 million in debt and actually improve our -- on our equity, a total capital ratio of 46 6 at year-end to 47 8 by March 31. That really is a jump in our equity capital.

So due to our turning and repair tax initiatives in '12, and continuing in '13, I recognize the way quarterly earnings are jumping around and need so much explanation. In light of something I'm not going to apologize for, and that's the rapid increase in net income since 2011, up over 30%.

I'm still comfortable with first call estimates for the year, which were 1 38 going into this call. Of course, I would assume you're going to just them for the $0.06 peak in first call that we announced this morning.

And however, I have to say your quarterly estimates some are -- I mean, when you blend them all, of the second quarter, which are averaging about $0.39 and the fourth quarter, which averaged $0.29 seem to be disproportional and a couple of pennies should be transferred from second to fourth to make them more levelized in the way our traditional business has always been producing. I'll answer any questions you may have on the release or on our operations and Dave Smeltzer is here also.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we'll go first to Heike Doerr.

Heike M. Doerr - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division

I wanted to start with CapEx. I see that year-over-year were down.

Is that a weather-related slow start to the year?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

It's timing. A little bit of weather, it was a little colder winter.

Last winter, we didn't have a winter, so we never slowed down. It's more of a traditional where you do less in the first quarter and you do a lot more in the second and third.

We're still on target to do the $325 million to $340 million level in order to maximize repair tax, we've reassessed some of the work we were doing and made sure that it met the standards of the, what we think, is the IRS guidelines. We moved some projects around.

That's where the timing came in. But the -- and the other thing that's important to recognize is when we had the DISC, which of course we had to forgo because of the repair tax PUC order we made, the DISC had to be done exactly by a certain date to be eligible.

The date was, if I'm not mistaken, February. And there's a lot more pressure on our construction crews to get things done by a certain date.

So I think a little bit of the timing is that way. They're doing a little bit more value engineering and I think it's actually being a positive.

But I'm not concerned over the -- it's not 25% is what you're looking at, so where you're going to make your numbers and we're comfortable we will.

Heike M. Doerr - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division

Got it. That extra clarity is helpful.

As we think long term, this $325 million to $350 million CapEx spending, what percentage of that is going towards disqualified infrastructure investment? Is it over half?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

I'll get you that number. We believe it is but we'll get you an exact number.

It's only relevant in Pennsylvania because we are still doing surcharges in the other states. So we'll give you a breakdown between the other states where we have traditionally done less pipe because we're still working on compliance and in Pennsylvania where our compliance is pretty much done.

I can tell you because we're going to present it to the Annual Meeting. Our capital budget needs have dropped -- 3 25.

Only 4% is compliance-related. In other words, only 4% of our budget would have to be spent in order to meet EPA rules versus probably 5 years ago, it was in the 30s to 40s.

But the big shift in the priority setting in our capital so it has shifted much more towards needed infrastructure. It's still prudent, but it's not EPA-compliant driven.

[indiscernible] into that percentage.

Heike M. Doerr - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division

The Treasure Lake acquisition looks expensive. This $12 million based on the population served of 6,000 customers.

Can you tell us a little bit more about this system and the value of it?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

Yes, absolutely. First of all, it's in the heart of the area for the drilling.

Second, it's an upscale near Dubois upscale development that it's probably 1/2 or less sold-out. So there's going to be a lot of growth.

And third is we had to outbid the local water company, which had been actually higher than what we paid. So fair value is really what drove the price.

Operator

We'll go next to Jonathan Reeder with Wells Fargo.

Jonathan Reeder - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

I was wondering is there any change to the expected extent of the repairs tax deduction benefit for full year 2013? I think you previously said, including the amortization portion, it's about 125% to 130% of what 2012 was?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

I think that's still -- until we see how all the final capital projects come in and this is constantly reviewed by the -- both our consultants on this project, which is KPMG and our auditors, PwC. So we had 1/2 of the national brain trust working on the -- on us doing it right.

So if you give us that leeway, if they say something, do this differently, we will. But at this point, I think it's still accurate.

Jonathan Reeder - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Okay. And then Nick, you're touching on the strong cash flow position that you're in and with earnings and the dividend, I guess I was kind of surprised yesterday that the board just increased it, your normal rate didn't think about accelerating it.

Can you just kind of talk on that?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

Yes, sure. That's why I mentioned May 8 next week is our Board and Annual Meeting.

We did not have time because of the record date and everything else to have a board meeting just to look at the dividend. So we, by unanimous consent, approved the next dividend.

So everybody would get there already increased dividend. Remember, we just increased it 2 quarters ago.

But I think it will be a major topic of discussion at our annual and our board meeting. It follows the Annual Meeting on May 8.

Jonathan Reeder - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

As far as future growth, I mean what sort of trajectory should we expect? I mean, is it a one-time jump up?

Or would you take a couple of bites of the apple?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

I don't want to preempt the board. This the most delicate decision you make as a board member.

We're going to be recommending 3 or 4 different options, they'll have to choose. You'll know in 3 days, in 3 working days.

Jonathan Reeder - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Okay. So you expect to make an announcement following that board meeting?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

If they make a change, absolutely.

Jonathan Reeder - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Okay. And then just lastly, a little clarification in Florida.

Once you make the Sarasota sale, which you said expected in Q3, that will put you completely out of the state?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

Yes. Right now, that's the only [indiscernible] it's the only one we have left because Desoto was actually operated and we actually operated the systems we sold for about 1 month for customer service.

That's done now, too. So the only thing we're really doing in Florida today as we speak is running our Sarasota and owning our Sarasota group, which, by the way, is about 1/3 of the system and has earned its keep and has always earned its keep.

And the other 2/3 that lost the -- I think we said in the release for over $12 million over the year. So there is, because we've decided to exit Florida, but this isn't one that was driving it.

Sarasota and [indiscernible] the rest of them.

Jonathan Reeder - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

All right. And then would you say this effectively ends your pruning program?

Or are there any other properties that you're continuing to eye on up?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

No, no, I think as to what we would be able to say to you clearly, this is something that I'll look at. But management is looking at small systems within states or every state's reviewed every year as we look at what its earnings potential is.

And we're going to look at what enhanced the shareholder value the most, running it or selling it. But there is nothing more now that we could tell you that's on the table.

Operator

We'll go next to Gerry Sweeney with Boenning.

Gerard J. Sweeney - Boenning and Scattergood, Inc., Research Division

Just a quick question on the O&M side. Obviously, it was another great quarter in that area.

Is some of that going to be benefited by exiting those -- I assume some of it is benefited from exiting those underperforming assets in Florida?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

Well, Florida's O&M to revenue ratio, that's something we have always tracked. Florida's O&M to revenue ratio, it's best year was probably 85%.

And you're used to hearing me say 35%, 36%. Yes, so clearly, it will help in that sense.

But in selling 3% of our business. It's not as relevant.

What we're doing to improve is really the sum of the AquaSource states, which are very, very spread out in small systems, which necessarily are more expensive to run than the large integrated systems like you're used to here around Philadelphia, Jerry, are just has to be higher. But they didn't have to be as high as they were and we're bringing those down and that's in the goals of our Vice President and each of the state presidents to squeeze every -- as much as you can to make them efficient.

Because that keeps rates down. That's the real reason we're doing it.

But in addition, it will help our overall corporation’s cash flow, right? And I think the -- we're closing in on efficiency in the Midwest states when we bought those 10 years ago, they were way out of whack.

But we still have some room to go on the southern states. Now the other factor on the O&M to revenue that I'd like to bring up is, we're -- because where Pennsylvania was half of the company and the rate cases were pretty routine, and DISC very routine, there is no revenue growth because we're getting it all through the tax side.

Remember, on that -- that's the [indiscernible]. So using O&M to revenue isn't as relevant as it used to be because of the fact that we're losing our denominator.

And that always helps if you get more sales and rate revenues and watch your expenses, it's a double way to leverage that O&M to revenue ratio. Now we have a couple of states, which will be growing revenues and customer base and helping the denominator.

But the numerator is the only place to go. So I'm going to start shifting to talk about how much overall expenses grow with knowing that if you want to take the corporate O&M to revenue ratio, I think we still have about a 500 or 1,000 basis points better than the next best company.

So I don't think we have to prove ourselves in that area. But I think that's more relevant now.

Gerard J. Sweeney - Boenning and Scattergood, Inc., Research Division

You did mention, on the repair tax accounting in Pennsylvania not being able going in for rates and DISC. And when you spoke about it a quarter ago, I know it's only a quarter later, it was sort of a moving target as to when you could go back in for rates.

Has that become any more clearer, with the caveat that we're still early?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

No, I -- we told the commission we will not be in, in '13, which was a normal filing and there will be no DISC in '13. '14 will be a lot clearer, after the summer, we're doing a 5-year planning exercise, where we review every capital request of every engineer for the next 5 years, put those in.

And when you put those in the model, we'll be able to see how much is tax repair eligible. At which point, I can give you a better answer.

Gerard J. Sweeney - Boenning and Scattergood, Inc., Research Division

Okay. And then finally on the -- on the unregulated side -- I'm sorry?

I thought someone was commenting there. On the Aqua infrastructure side, you mentioned the joint venture adding, well, say $0.02 to this year.

You thought you were on track for that. Any other updates as to what's going on outside of maybe of the JV in the shale areas?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

Yes, we're talking to a number of people in Ohio. The Utica is where Marcellus was 5 years ago, probably.

And the -- everything I read and hear from my electric company board duties is that gas is replacing coal in generation. We just announced last week that we're moving our entire fleet to CNG.

So you're going to see more and more vehicles driven by gas so that the structural inherent demand pull is there. It's just timing and Karl, as you know our Vice President there, is very confident.

It's just timing between this first quarter, where we saw very little and when Shell starts drilling and when some of the other people he's talking to the -- they're still very bullish on gas and they're still very bullish on gas in Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Gerard J. Sweeney - Boenning and Scattergood, Inc., Research Division

Sure. On that fleet conversion, I'm not sure if you mentioned it in the press release, are you converting or are these all new vehicles?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

No. We've decided to turn the whole fleet over, but using new vehicles so we don't get into retrofit.

And we're hoping that as more companies and individuals start doing it and you get the chicken and egg and more infrastructure to sell the vehicles, that you'll see the price come down of new original equipment manufacturer vehicles. Right now, they are more expensive.

We're applying for some state grants. We expect to hear soon.

we've been one of the leaders in the state doing this. We just did a press conference last week with some legislators and there's been some press on it.

We'll send it to you.

Gerard J. Sweeney - Boenning and Scattergood, Inc., Research Division

Okay. Great.

And then finally obviously, any comment on Allentown? I thought that was an interesting process, with the growth of the Lehigh Valley group winning the bid.

Nicholas DeBenedictis

Yes. Let's see.

Billy Joel, is that [indiscernible]? The -- we gave it a college try but the final cost and the requirements that were put on with no bend in the RFP.

It turned out to be -- we just couldn't see how we could make any money out of it. We would like to have had done it.

I give credit to the Mayor for standing up and doing what he thinks is right for his town even though there's a lot of local opposition and council members are running on the issue both ways. But we just -- Jerry, I'll tell you, we've looked at the numbers 15 different ways and you're locking yourself in for 50 years and we couldn't see how you could do it.

You might want to ask some of the bigger French companies how they looked at it. But the winner was a local authority.

So [indiscernible] is public money. But that local authority is very small compared to the size of Allentown [indiscernible].

So the economy of scale doesn't help you either. So I think it's -- there are other strategic reasons for the authorities, the County authorities do it, obviously.

But for those 2 reasons, you're bidding against a strategic bidder versus a financial bidder, and then the second piece was the numbers just didn't work for us.

Gerard J. Sweeney - Boenning and Scattergood, Inc., Research Division

Yes, I mean, there was just, I guess, $225 million is the large chunk, plus infrastructure improvements. I was just more curious...

Nicholas DeBenedictis

By the way, $0.5 million payment a year for 50 years, regardless of how you're doing to the city coffers.

Gerard J. Sweeney - Boenning and Scattergood, Inc., Research Division

Yes, I thought it interesting on local authority, yes, it sort of splits the middle between privatizing or a concession and a quasi-governmental institution coming in and sort of splits the middle between the general public being opposed to private companies running the water systems, that's also.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we'll go next to Stewart Scharf with S&P Capital IQ.

Stewart Scharf - S&P Equity Research

You talked a little about the housing market and continuing to recover. Are you seeing much organic growth coming from there?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

I'll get you exact numbers by state and we'll call you back. We're starting to see some infilling again in North Carolina but I think job growth in North Carolina, they have pretty high unemployment rate right now, is going to have to precede a major boom in construction unless it's all vacation homes, which I don't think is going to happen in North Carolina.

It was happening for a while when people were using it as a halfway spot to Florida from New York. But we are starting to see -- in North Carolina, just to give you an example, of all the developers -- we have 1,000 systems in North Carolina, and a lot of them were developer systems where you design them and laid pipe and drilled wells for maybe 300 to 500 homes and only 100 were built.

And when you add all that up over how many lots have infrastructure in front of them, there's 15,000 to 20,000. And what our hope is and what we're starting to see, the larger national builders are going in and saying we'll take this development over from bank or whoever and rather than start with Greenland and start from scratch plotting the acreage just to fill these in and maybe even build housing that is maybe not the $1 million homes we're used to, but maybe the 300 to 400, which is the sweet spot now.

Texas is growing still organically, and we'll get you that number. Do you recall [indiscernible] the number offhand see what we can give you.

But the Midwest and the more mature areas we [indiscernible] Pennsylvania and New Jersey and so on, it's coming off the floor, when the floor being almost nothing in '11 and '12. But it's -- I wouldn't say it's -- I don't want to give you undue optimism.

But we're starting to see some activity now, which is good news.

Stewart Scharf - S&P Equity Research

Okay. And the shale you -- you're looking for the 20% double load team do you still see that trend continuing, as you said, in the past over the next few years?

Nicholas DeBenedictis

On the shale that you saw?

Stewart Scharf - S&P Equity Research

Yes, the $0.01 from the shale.

Nicholas DeBenedictis

Yes, yes -- no, we're still optimistic that our original estimate over the where we built the pipeline for, that was -- we weren't sure if we were going to earn anything on our first year and then we ended up doing that and that was $0.01 last year. And we said we think we could double it every year going forward until we get to that $0.10 a share.

And we're still confident on that even though we had a soft first quarter. And I want to be honest with everybody in showing that, that was soft.

But you'll see that in the JV number on the balance sheet. It looks like Texas -- I'm going back to your question on organic growth, in the first quarter we grew about 1,200 customers across everything.

But Texas has the largest organic growth annualized and that's about 0.5%. We'd like to see that get -- the country get back to the 1% we were seeing in '08.

Stewart Scharf - S&P Equity Research

Okay. And just on the -- on the legislation in Indiana, the action has strengthened that this year.

Do you see these issues providing more based on the [indiscernible] rulings and...

Nicholas DeBenedictis

Yes, I'll tell you why. Because -- and what we used was the case that was a Connecticut case on taking and the Indiana Supreme Court really was a very, very solid decision saying if you're going to condemn somebody's property, you have to give them fair value.

Since the 2008 condemnation proceeding in -- by Fort Wayne in Indiana against us, legislation in the Indiana legislature has also been passed as it was also in Illinois, making it more difficult for condemnation of a private system by a municipal. And it's also being looked at in North Carolina.

So I think -- I think there will always be condemnation proceedings between cities and between -- because of growth aspects in areas and so on. But I think this gives you the ability, if you have the ability, to fight back and maybe stall it, stop it, or at least if you can, to get to fair value.

And that's what we -- and this one was already done. It was lost, the law allowed them to do it.

But now I think it gives us leverage as we go through the court proceedings. Did that answer your question?

Stewart Scharf - S&P Equity Research

Yes.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] It appears there are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the conference back over to Nick DeBenedictis for any additional or closing remarks.

Nicholas DeBenedictis

No. Thank you very much.

And if anybody has questions that they didn't get a chance to ask now, just call us anytime today. Thanks.

Operator

That does conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation.