Operator
Hello and welcome to the Associated British Foods plc Interim Results Presentation. My name is Rosie, and I’ll be your coordinator for today’s event.
Please note, this call is being recorded. I will now hand you over to your host, George Weston, Chief Executive Officer, to begin today’s conference.
Thank you.
George Weston
Thank you, Rosie and thank you everyone for joining this review of our interim results for the 24 weeks ended the February 27, 2021. I so hope this is the last time that we host call virtually.
I so hope that it’s the last – these are the last set of results, which are dominated by the consequences of COVID-19. And even more so, I hope this is the last time I have to put this first slide up.
We have now lost 30 people across the group to COVID-19. The last 2 were just last week, one in Peru, one in Wisconsin, U.S.A.
I think the part of the business, there’s a sense that we’re getting the pandemic, the consequence of the pandemic behind us, but there’s so much of ABF, we really are still in the midst of all the difficulties and pain and tragedy.
John Bason
Okay, great. Thanks, George.
So let’s turn to the income statement. Group revenue was £6.3 billion.
That was a decrease of 18% on last year at constant currency. The most material impact on these results of COVID-19 is that most of the Primark stores were closed for more than half of the period that we’re looking at.
The decline in the group’s adjusted operating profit was a consequence of these closures and at £369 million that was 46% lower than last year. Exchange movements had a minimal effect on the adjusted operating profit in the first half, and we had a very small loss on translation of £2 million.
However, if exchange rates remain at current spot levels, we expect a more significant effect for the full year with the translation loss of probably some £30 million. This period’s unadjusted or statutory operating profit was £320 million, reduced by 8% on last year, a much lower reduction than the decline in adjusted operating profit.
And the reason for that is statutory operating profit is stated after a number of things, but after exceptional items. And they decreased from a charge of €309 million last year to £25 million this year.
George Weston
Thank you, John. Let me start this time with some comments about the reopening last week of Primark stores in England and Wales.
The stores opened safely and successfully firming on the left-hand side, delighted customer with a big basket – a big bag full of gear on the right. That store – the safety of the stores is paramount.
And we have invested significantly in hand sanitizers, in extra cleaning and people to manage queues outside the stores in physical plants to keep staff isolated from one another as they run all our tills. And that work has been good, and I have yet to see or hear about any difficulties in maintaining proper separation of our customers from one another.
Or actually then there’s very little reporting on people not adhering to our standards around the wearing of masks. Let me turn then – what’s a) the length of queue and b) how distanced everyone is from one another.
If you run that now, please, okay. Last week, well, we had a record sales week in and Wales.
In 6 days, sales were higher than they had ever been in any previous 7-day period. Monday was a record week by some – record day by some distance as well.
We saw big basket cycles. We saw good performance in the categories that have performed well last time reopened.
We reopened, so good sales of nightwear, loungewear, underwear. But we also saw a big improvement in footfall on previous reopenings.
So the total footfall was back to pre-COVID-19 levels, and it was improved significantly in our city center stores as well as our out-of-town ones and even in the destination stores of – in Manchester, Birmingham and the 2 Oxford Street stores, big difference in footfall in those destinations. And then whereas last time, as I indicated, we sold a lot of lockdown gear this time, fashion – women’s fashion in particular, had a fantastic first week, not only in clothes but also in accessories, handbags, jewelry and then lipstick and makeup also had a good week.
We really do think that our customers are thinking differently this time that they come out of lockdowns. If that was then last week, let me turn back to the period as a whole.
Obviously, severe impact of store closures across Europe and the UK, minus 15% like-for-likes compared with last year for the stores – for the periods that the stores which were able to trade were open. I would call out the agility and I’ll demonstrate some of it of the management team, both at the store level but also in the center in Dublin, to be very agile through this period to do a good job also in reducing costs down some 25%, not including the furlough monies.
It’s – I’ve got a few slides to show you on the progress of the American market even through lockdown. We’ve developed fast and well.
And again, we’ve added 6 new stores in the first half ranging from Miami to Rome. Here is the profile of the store closures right from the beginning of COVID.
So we only had, in this first half that we’re talking about, 4 weeks when all the stores were open. But whereas in the first wave of COVID, we had a period of all stores being closed, at no time at this time, did we have all stores closed but the period where we had most shut was longer than the first time.
And we also saw, and I’ll come on to some of them, restrictions other than total lockdown employed by many of European – Continental European governments. So let’s look at those like-for-likes, minus 15% across the group.
In the U.K., when we were open, we were trading essentially without restrictions other than self-imposed one. The like-for-likes were minus 6%, if you take out through the period, the 4 major city center stores that gives an idea of just how important they are in the sales mix, we traded at minus 1%.
Given that women’s fashion was well down, I think that was a very, very good performance in the period. In the EU, we were off 20% in the stores that were open, but severe government restrictions on trading whilst we are open in a moment.
And then in the U.S., we were at minus 3%, if you exclude Boston which is a heavily tourist-focused store and also a store with a lot of student business and the universities in Boston were shut through the program. We think that, that number 3% is – that minus 3% is an indicative underlying number and again, during a pandemic, we think that is a very credible performance indeed.
So what were some of these restrictions in European countries? Well, reduced trading hours and days, a number of markets, at times we couldn’t trade at the weekend.
We couldn’t trade beyond 5:00 in the evening. Sometimes extreme customer occupancy levels, limits.
At the moment, we can’t have more than 50 people in any of our stores in the Netherlands. Actually regardless of their size, so Damrak which is, I think, 80,000 square feet, really is very likely traded at the moment.
And in some places, we were limited at times to what merchandise we could sell. So basics and children’s wear, in some cases, very extreme restrictions at times on how we could trade.
And then restrictions really in all our markets on what our customers could do. Obviously, constraints on social and leisure events or their complete banning and both those drive sales for us.
Apprehension over leaving home, travel distance limits from home. Many times in Spain, you couldn’t go more than 5 kilometers from where you lived, homeworking and then, of course, very little tourism.
It’s well worth saying, though, that the sales that we have made through this period from our European stores, particularly our Spanish stores, even when the like-for-likes were very poor, provided very welcome cash flow during this period. Our balance sheet would look a whole lot worse if it hadn’t been for the cash provided by our Spanish stores in particular.
Turning now just to give you an example of how hard life has been for store management in particular. We think that there’s been arguably indecision in the UK at times through lockdown.
Look what the store managers in Oviedo in Spain, just a single example of the store. I think that’s some 14 different changes of instruction that, that store management has had to adjust to in the first half – I beg your pardon, in the period up to the reopening now, but we’re still operating under reduced occupancy instruction in that store.
I think another example of the agility of the team now, I think, at the center of Primark has been the speed with which we have been able to adapt to a pre-booking system. Click and greet that is operating in certain of our German stores and also in the Netherlands and Belgium.
We turned around, we created and disseminated an app on which our customers could book slots up to 7 days in advance very, very quickly indeed. If you go on this app, in the Netherlands in particular, there is no availability anytime soon.
If you go online, you can buy a slot of someone who does have one, I believe the going rate at the moment is €25 per slot. None of it’s coming to us.
Let me then turn to the U.S. and just focus on the reasons for our confidence there.
We opened 3 new stores, the much delayed American Dream in a new shopping center in New Jersey, the whole shopping center was delayed. We also opened Sawgrass Mills, our first store in Florida and then just outside the period of the first half, we opened our first store in the Midwest State Street in Chicago.
We’re going to open our next store in Philadelphia Fashion District. We’ve already got a store in Philadelphia.
This will be our second and downtown that will open later this calendar year. And then we’ve signed leases for 3 stores, all of which I think will be very good for the business, Queens in New York, Green Acre Mall, which is in Long Island and Tysons Corner, which will be our first store in or around Washington, DC.
We are now – these 3 new store openings represent, I think, the first stages in our acceleration of growth in the U.S. Here are some pictures for you as Saw Mills above even though it’s our first store outside the Northeast, the sale and even though we’re in the middle of a pandemic when there are no tourists Sawgrass Mills sales weekly are second only to those of Brooklyn.
We are flying in Florida, and that is fantastic. And then American Dream, only about one-third of the retail space in that new shopping center are open, the busiest show in the mall is undoubtedly us and then Chicago State Street, lovely building, that John knows only too well, having lived in Chicago some years ago now.
On the left-hand side is, on a normal day, the right-hand side – sorry, the center picture is what we did to it on St. Patrick’s Day and then the look and feel of the store at the beginning.
It has started strongly as the next picture shows you very respectable even by Primark’s standards, opening day queue in a market where we were completely new. The slide on the right, I love.
It is the growing collection of clothes that one shopper put together taking instructions from friends and relatives in Brazil for a shopping trip she undertook on their behalf. I think that the total till was – the total bill for all the gears she bought was about $5,500.
So what we have in the U.S. is a profitable store model.
We’ve said that before. We have ample warehouse capacity to leverage, no more fixed costs, keeps on improving and becoming more local in the states.
And the next slide, is NBA license that we have agreed with the NBA is an example of some of the sports licenses we’re beginning to be awarded in the U.S. It’s an important part of the mix.
We didn’t have nearly the same participation of license in the states that we did – that we have across Europe, and that is being put. So the store openings, though, were not just in the states.
The 2 new stores in Spain will be great. Our first store in Rome has been a phenomenon when it’s been allowed to trade.
It’s not our first Milan store off its perch. Repeatedly, Italy is developing into an incredibly good market for us.
Sawgrass Mills and American Dream I’ve mentioned. And then our store near Calais, I only mentioned because it’s had the shortest period of trading in the history of a new Primark store.
It’s opened one Friday and was made to close the following day in the afternoon and hasn’t reopened since. So, if physical bricks-and-mortar keep developing the essence of the business, the digital and social media is a really important part of our mix.
I’m delighted that over the last 12 months, we have not lost any followers on digital social media. A year ago, we had 22 million followers.
We still got 22 million followers despite being closed for half period. They play – that digital media has formed the absolute and vital part of communicating our store reopening plans.
You can see on the right, a post on Twitter and then one on Instagram, the communications – online communications to our customers form a vital an ever more important part of our marketing mix, and you will see us making further investment in our website in our digital marketing in the months and years to come. We couldn’t have a Primark presentation without telling you some of the first half top sellers.
Many people, I’m aware, not including me, bought a lockdown puppy. Not surprisingly, Christmas gifting formed an important part of Christmas sales, at least until we were shut, stay-at-home kit phenomenally successful when we are open and then we sold an improbable number of pairs of pajamas for all those people who didn’t see the need to change out of their pajamas at any time during their working day.
When you go into stores now, you see great spring/summer fashion. In women’s wear, I’d call that gingham prints, gelato tones, and then really good ranges in fashion denim that since we reopened last week have done really, really well, not as well though as Seamfree Jersey.
You can see a display in the states on the right-hand side of that in England and Wales, it barely touched the sides. We had queues internally just for , just for the racks of Seamfree Jersey, phenomenally successful.
We continue to develop the sustainable ranges working in this with Disney on some great fashion items all made with our sustainable cotton or recycled polyester. It has – it is performing extremely well in the States.
And now, it’s performing really well also in England and Wales. We’re excited about the development of our sustainable ranges and also of our licensed.
Staying on licensed, we have been awarded the license for Pineapple Dance Studio it supports our workout gear, sales of which have been very, very strong as well. So far, I’ve been talking about what versions of what we’ve already sold.
Let me now turn just briefly to developments on product ranges. Parenthood launch is important and is very, very new.
So we now have an extremely good range of clothes for – of maternity wear and sales of that last week were very encouraging. We are expanding our Baby World collection, so babies clothing, 50% of which will be made from sustainable or recycled fabric.
And then we are also dedicating more space, more range to improved lifestyle – to an expansion of lifestyle and home. If you – any of you wants to go down to Oxford Street East now, we have a great display on the lower ground floor of what I’m talking about, fantastic rates of sale within lifestyle and home when we’re open.
As of today, we’re trading from 60% of our total retail selling space. Including those markets where there are severe restrictions, we’ve got – actually got 70% of all of our total retail selling space open.
By the end of April, we expect to be trading near 70% of our total retail selling space with few restrictions and nearly 80%, including the restricted areas. So we’ve still got a lot of space left to reopen.
But as the vaccine programs roll out in our European markets, we expect that we will get all our stores open again. We also expect to add a net 700,000 square feet of new selling space this financial year.
Chicago opened in the second half, but we’ve also got this list of stores starting with Prague, which is much delayed and ending with Tamworth, for all that this is a business expanding rapidly across a wide range of places, Tamworth will be great for us. The store growth prospects, then we’re accelerating the pace of new store openings, again, driven by growth in the U.S., but also by the opportunity for expansion that we see in existing markets, France, Spain, Portugal and Italy.
And we’re just getting started and in Eastern Europe, I believe that our Slovenian store reopened today. Right.
Let me then turn to our food businesses and start with the consequences of COVID-19 in the first – on the food business. We have provided safe and nutritious food all around the world under the most demanding of conditions.
During this first period, we’ve seen high rates of COVID-related absence again in a number of our factories. We have barely lost a shift to – because of this and its testaments are to the ingenuity, the dedication of many thousands of people.
We’ve seen increased volumes through retail sales channels. Of course, we’ve seen reduced foodservice and on-the-go volumes in a number of our businesses.
We’ve also seen, particularly in our Ingredients businesses, a lot of opportunity to offer digital customers new products that they might use in their own operations. We simply can’t get face-to-face and a lot of the selling in the Ingredients business has to be face-to-face.
If I then go through sector by sector and starting with Sugar, significantly improved profitability in Sugar, nowhere near yet the levels of a few years back, but the improvement in profitability and the low specifically was the driver of most of this improvement and is particularly welcome after a year last year when the situation was quite difficult there. The performance improvement program all around the world continues to deliver and we still have a visibility of cost-reduction opportunities ahead of us.
In British Sugar, so here in the UK, we have had a very difficult year during – due to virus yellows, and I will focus on that in a moment. We’ve decided to reopen the bioethanol plant in Hull, which has been mothballed for 3 or 4 years now.
There will be a cost that we’ll take this year for the reopening of that business. But with the British government committed to introducing E10 to the petrol chain – supply chain, we think that it will be sensible to reopen that plant.
The effect on reduced – on adding E10 to the petrol supply chain, is much greater. So in terms of reduction of carbon from the transport fleet in the UK is much greater and much quicker than any short-term increase in the number of electric vehicles.
We’ve also been continuing to invest really quite heavily in both – in reducing water we need to use in our operations. And also – and I’ve talked about energy reduction programs, we’re still at it.
Let me turn to Illovo and also include in that some of the water reduction opportunities that we are availing ourselves off, so significant cost reductions in Illovo have come through this year. The retail branded sales continue to grow, and that is great.
That is good sustainable business for the very long run. Better pricing discipline was evident across the Illovo business.
You need that in an era – in markets where there is high inflation rates as there is in some of our – in a couple of our domestic markets in Africa. Lockdown drove domestic volumes up including in South Africa, you’ll have heard, you’ll remember us bemoaning sugar reductions in South Africa, well, it came to some extent.
We have benefited from a higher world sugar price, but actually most of the sugar that we sell now from Illovo doesn’t go onto the world market, so that’s another consequence. And then a year ago, COVID gave us particular difficulties in really starting the Mozambique factory when the campaign started in that country.
So on the bottom right is an example of investment in drip irrigation. It leads to a step change in water usage.
Essentially, you have a series of pipes running through cane field, which precisely measure water fed to the roots of the cane rather than either spraying it on the top or flooding the field. With the water reduction also comes a large reduction in the power required to move the water to the irrigation points.
So good projects, we have a long-term project to replace a lot of the current irrigation systems with the drip. In the UK then, back there, we only processed this campaign, only produced 90,000 tons – sorry, 900,000 tons of sugar, down from nearly 1.2 million tons of a year ago.
And the reason for that was the very high prevalence of virus yellows, I have – many of our growers in particular areas, parts of the country saw the yields reduced dramatically by infestations in virus yellows, not in all parts of the country, but where it hit hard, it hit very hard indeed. In the 2021 campaign, which is now largely in the ground, we expect to see about 1 million tons of sugar that we can produce from the high yields we expect to kind of characterize this year’s harvest.
Spain, our production was in line last year, and then China production was ahead. Our factory performance was good and pay by sugar content increased from something like 30% of all the sugar we bought to 70%.
Let me just show you what’s happened in the world sugar prices. When we were together a year ago, they were very low, they’ve recovered very significantly.
Actually, at the beginning of March this year, they were very high. It’s come off a bit that to an extent, but the prices, are well ahead of where they were last year where – when all commodities dropped globally.
That world sugar pricing has driven up the European sugar price to much more satisfactory levels, and we go into the next negotiation round with this as the backdrop. Staying in British Sugar, let me just show you some examples of energy projects that have been completed this year.
We are pressing pulp at our biggest factory, Wissington, to drive a much more of the water out of it before we put it through dryers. If you think of that enormous spiral on the left-hand picture as being a mangle, we are pressing water out of the pulp in large quantities.
And then on the right-hand side is really a descaling plant at Newark. If you can get lime scale out of the operation, then again, you need a lot less power to operate the whole of the operation, significantly less amount of power.
Just to remind you, our sugar businesses around the world represent a big majority of the total energy that we use across the whole of ABF, so significant projects to reduce energy in British Sugar are important in ABF’s – that contribute significantly to ABF’s ability to reduce energy consumption as a whole. And then that Vivergo bioethanol plant, which will allow, as I say, the CO2 emitted by the car – net CO2 to be emitted by the car fleet in the UK to come down on the back of E10.
Turning to ingredients, AB Mauri has seen another period of high demand for retail yeast and other bakery ingredients driven by the boom in home baking. The yeast and bakery ingredients joint venture with Wilmar is progressing well.
South American businesses have performed really, really well despite difficult economic and social conditions. We will all have read about the consequence of the pandemic in Brazil, which is the largest of our bakery ingredient markets in South America.
We completed a new global technology center for bakery ingredients and novel bakery ingredients in the Netherlands. This is an important facility which will allow us to accelerate the development of new intellectual property, new ways of baking and making all sorts of bake products, which we then roll out across our sales teams around the world.
And there is an ongoing investment. It’s been running for some while to increase the capacity of our effluent treatment plants.
If sugar produces most of ABF’s C02, Mauri produces most of our effluent or at least did. We have a big project underway.
I think the spend is something like $20 million to improve the performance of the effluent treatment in Brazil. The Pederneiras plant is a very large one, and it will have a effluent treatment plant, which will satisfy present and future requirements for COD and BOD effluent loads.
ABF Ingredients then just very briefly, strong growth from nutritional and pharmaceutical lipids. Although we don’t make them, pharmaceutical lipids are carriers for both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, let’s say, produced by someone else but we’re in that business, too.
And then further good progress from our business in Hamburg that makes yeast extracts. Agriculture also had very creditable first half.
AB Vista, feed enzyme volumes held up much better than we’d fit they would. Successful new products are also launched through Vista to reducing the need for antibiotics in animals around the world.
That project is going well. AB Neo is a new business that we created within AB Agri that specializes in improving the performance of young animals.
It is particularly driven out of our business in Spain. Animal feed performance in China much improved.
And then we are announcing a substantial investment in a new and efficient animal feed mill in the East of England. This will be a very big operation indeed.
Let me turn now to grocery, where we’ve seen, as John alluded to, strong revenue growth, higher food volumes through retail sales on the back of COVID, but also good growth internationally for a number of our brands, particularly Twinings Ovaltine, which I’ll come back to. We did see lower margins in Mazola and – in the first half and also our meat business down in Australia, and I’ll turn to those in a moment.
And then lots of focus, at the moment, in our Grocery businesses in reducing packaging, making it more recyclable, trying to get rid of single-use plastic. Also worth calling out because it speaks to how ABF works, there’s a very nice sustainable rice program in Pakistan.
This has benefited from learnings that we’ve made in Primark’s sustainable cotton program, which is operating in the same country. So the same disciplines the same benefits that we can bring to farming communities in Pakistan to make their production of rice more sustainable.
Turning to Twinings, good new project – product launches, successful new product launches in the area of wellness, in particular. Some of those have come in France, where the performance in the first half has been great, exciting development of sales of Twinings tea through e-commerce platforms in China.
Growth is now very good. And inevitably, we’ve been sitting at home drinking more tea than we did before lockdown.
That largely offsets the decrease in out-of-home consumption of both tea and Ovaltine across the world. Ovaltine itself then had a good period with good strong sales growth.
Thailand seems to be back on track. And Nigeria, again, much improved.
COVID on the – Thailand, we sell a lot of Ovaltine for people in some tetra pack for people to drink on the go, and they haven’t been. And then also in Ovaltine, and I will show you a picture – some pictures in a moment, but exciting foodservice growth for Ovaltine in China.
So, here is just some examples of new product launches for Twinings in France. Wellness, flavored teas and then organic under the La Tisanière brand in that country.
And here then is Ovaltine in China. We are supplying Ovaltine to a number of very big foodservice operators, just as we do in Brazil.
And we believe that the rates of sale of these products, which are branded with Ovaltine, and of course, taste very Ovaltine-y are delighting those foodservice customers who are taking them, repositioning of the brand from being really one for children, which is the positioning in a lot of the rest of Southeast Asia, into a foodservice delight based around taste and crash cost. Twining’s Ovaltine isn’t the only fast-growing international part of our Grocery business.
Acetum has seen – has had a very good year developing Mazzetti brand, and we have had very good launches in some of its – re-launches in some of the biggest markets, particularly Germany, UK and Australia, growing very, very well. And then AB World Foods, so that’s Patak’s and Blue Dragon brands, in particular, is growing well internationally.
It’s had a very good – very encouraging period of growth in the United States, where we think the acceptability of Indian food, in particular, or the interest in Indian food is increasing quite quickly. Increased demand helped this top list of businesses obviously in Jordans, Dorset, Ryvita and yeast in North America, in particular.
It’s well worthwhile, although Westmill food supplies foodservice and is therefore part of the ABS portfolio that’s had a very tough time. In this first half, they have done some really, really good work, supporting South Asian and Chinese restaurants in this country to make the transition from eat-in restaurants to takeaways.
In the second lockdown, these traditional – well, these businesses, Indian restaurants, Chinese restaurants have performed much better than they did first time around, not least because of the very practical support and guidance that Westmill Foods has given. Allied Bakeries, the revenues in the first half were in line with last year.
We have done a good job getting the costs related to supplying the cope out of the business and once more efforts of everyone in bread to overcome all the challenges that COVID-19 has thrown up and have been amazing through them. In North America, the bakery businesses delivered strong growth.
People inevitably are cooking more at home and entertaining their children through baking has helped the traditional brands. It’s also helped Anthony’s Goods, which as you remember, is an online business that we bought in California probably 2 years ago now.
Mazola has had a much higher time on the back of significantly rising commodity costs and actually lower availability of refined corn oil in the States. It’s been a very difficult time for Mazola and for all, actually the businesses in the edible/inedible oil, retail edible oil in the States.
ACH Mexico has been improving for a number of years and had another good period, particularly actually in recovering higher commodity costs. George Weston Foods has been great, excellent performance at Tip Top, our bakery business there, very, very good sales and profit growth.
Yumi’s, which is reasonably new to ABF, now is developing quickly. It’s been a delight to watch the success of Yumi’s under the existing management, but with our oversight being applied.
We have now committed to a significant investment in the new animal feed mill in the west of Australia. The animal feed business in Australia is going well.
The only difficult part of the entirety of our business in Australia and New Zealand has been the consequence of the Victorian government putting very severe restrictions on all meat producers in Victoria during lockdown, not just us, but the whole of the industry. We were very restricted when we were allowed to be open in the volumes that we can produce, the staff we could employ.
And we have lost business as a consequence to other Australian states, which will take a little while to come back, although we are working on it. I love this slide, which I have now got up.
It is of an area of New South Wales flooded by the heavy rains that you will have seen a little while ago. The first thing to note is even in times of severe flooding, the sunshine is up.
But if you look closely on the left-hand side, you can see our bakery distribution teams getting the bread out to their customers by boat because there is no other way. The commitment to customer service has always been an extraordinary characteristic of Tip Top.
An excellent customer service, I think is one of the reasons why we have been outperforming the rest of the Australian bread industry. These guys are great when the difficulties mount, whether it would be fire or flood.
Let me then end with some comments about the outlook and summary of the whole, so in Primark, obviously fantastically reassuring first week in England and Wales last week. We expect the second half results to be significantly ahead of last year, but still held back by the later reopening of stores, as John mentioned.
The second half inevitably will be very cash generative in Primark as we sell through the working – the stock that John paid – referred to earlier. And I think it’s important that we get the job retention repayment behind us.
Softer food production – performance in the second half is to be expected. Firstly, we are lapping a very COVID-affected period last year.
And I so hope this year is less COVID-affected for most of us in Europe, in particular and therefore, that the retail volumes go down. The Sugar profitability, the improvements from Illovo will last through the year.
We are on track for those at the beginning. John mentioned the effect of full year – of the current exchange on our profit outlook.
In summary, lots of good work going on. On – in ESG Communication, the presentation we did before was a major development in how we communicate and what we communicate with you on.
In the first half, the food businesses were – have been great. Adjusted operating profit, up 30%, that is a fantastic number, not just Grocery performance, but also improvements in AB Sugar and coming from exactly where we need it to come, which was Illovo.
But store – primary store closures have cost us a huge amount in sales and profit and cash. And this palpable relief from one end of ABF to the other, really, now that we have got so many of our stores reopened and the cash flow is reversed.
We are opening a number of stores in the second half. We are succeeding in our new markets.
We are accelerating our new store openings in those new markets in particular. And we really are as convinced as we have ever been in the long-term growth prospects for Primark.
Let me end there. Thank you for hearing us out.
And if we could go on to your questions, please.
Operator
Thank you, sir. Our first question comes from the line of Anne Critchlow from Société Générale.
Please go ahead.
Anne Critchlow
Good morning and thanks for taking my questions. I have got two, please.
The first one is about Primark space. In the pipeline for next year, do you still have about 1 million square feet of space planned, please?
And then the second question on the Primark margin. So, I think it was a 190 basis point improvement to the operating margin in the first half, was most of that coming through at the gross margin level due to currency and lower markdowns?
Thank you.
George Weston
Okay. Let me have a fast go, and then John will connect me.
Primark space, I think will be – what we can see now is slightly 100 million square feet, but will probably be higher than the 700,000 that we expect to open this year. There is always a little bit of uncertainty, particularly about re-openings that are scheduled towards the back-end of the year.
In terms of margin, actually, in gross margin, the following wind of currency is offset by – largely by increased costs of fabric, both cotton and man-made fabrics, and also freight increases, so not much change really in gross margin.
Anne Critchlow
Great. Thank you.
Operator
The next question comes from the line of Clive Black from Shore Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Clive Black
Thank you. Thank you, George and John.
I will ask two questions, if I may. Firstly, it was interesting, John’s comment about Primark margins going forward.
And I just wondered with all the learnings you had in – through the pandemic whether there were grounds for cautious optimism that you would have a more efficient base to allow positive operational gearing to come through if there is a period of uninterrupted trading over the next 6 months to 18 months really. And then just secondly, George, you are clearly in a much brighter mood today, which is good to hear, I just wondered, could you give us an updated thought process on the USA in terms of where that – where the potential for Primark is there, now that it’s a profitable business?
Thank you.
George Weston
Yes. Clive, hi.
Let me just answer the second question first. We think what we believe now that whereas – we started in the Northeast.
We started our learnings in the Northeast to think that the brand is relevant anywhere east of the Mississippi, which is I think, something like 65% of the U.S. population.
The success in Florida, success in Chicago, recent though it is, I think gives us confidence that the brand will – is relevant really throughout the East United States. And from that distribution hub in New Jersey, , we believe we can service anywhere east of the Mississippi for now.
So that is – that feels great, really, when you combine it, in particular, with the profitability of stores at individual store level. These 35,000 square feet stores just do work very well for us.
And then some of the brand measures, which I wanted to share, are also looking good. I wanted to turn to John for questions of leverage and margin.
There will be some. But equally, there is some new fixed costs that we are going to put into the business, particularly around the sustainability communications, I think, particularly around online communications.
And we are likely also to put some costs into sustainable ranges themselves. So, I wouldn’t model an increase in margin coming from, I suppose, just sales growth in the medium-term, in the short-term, absolutely.
As we come back to sort of near normal levels of sale, we will see that leverage coming through. We are still building aspects of our total cost base.
John Bason
I mean I think to – I’m hoping – complementing what George has said that he’s right to highlight what those costs have come through. I think when you are – when you’ve taken a lot of costs – discretionary costs out of the business, the Primark management have been very careful which elements you add back.
So probably focus of those costs that you add back. And I think as – like any great retailer, they will constantly look at how they operate in terms of labor costs and so forth going ahead.
So that’s really how I think I would look at it.
Clive Black
Okay. Thanks guys.
George, can I just ask a quick follow-up in terms of – is your thinking about the potential of the U.S. opportunity, has that adjusted over the last 12 months?
George Weston
Yes, it has. And it’s come from three places, really, my increased confidence.
The first one is just a longer period of good trading. You still look at good results for a while.
And will it last? Well, it’s lasted.
The second one is in the robustness of the sales levels through COVID and also the maybe short-term response in sales to government checks landing on everyone’s letter box. We’ve had a very strong period of sales in the immediate aftermath of that.
And then it’s the relevance in different geographies that – well, okay, maybe we’re not just a brand for the Northeast. So, yes, it feels like that we’re at the early stages of a multi-multiyear development journey.
Clive Black
Great to hear. Thank you.
Operator
The next question comes from the line of Aneesha Sherman from Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Aneesha Sherman
Hi. Good morning.
I have two questions as well, George and John. The first one is on Primark.
So you say in the release that Primark profit should be somewhat lower than last year. Does that include the £121 million furlough repayment?
Is that going on Primark’s P&L, meaning the underlying profitability should actually exceed last year or is that last year’s guidance ex the furlough repayment? And then – yes, go ahead.
George Weston
Hold that one. Yes, we could.
No, I think the guidance is that if we had not – even if we had not repaid the furlough monies. Then I think you’ll be a bit below last year.
And then obviously, the £121 million takes it somewhat below last year. Okay.
So I don’t think the profitability would have been ahead of the £350 million, £360 million that we had last year anyway. So that’s – if that’s clear.
Aneesha Sherman
Yes. That’s very clear.
Okay. And then my second question is, given the strong performance in the English and Welsh stores and the optimistic tone we heard this morning, are you expecting all the English and Welsh stores to make a profit in H2?
George Weston
Yes. Yes, we would.
Aneesha Sherman
Okay. Thank you very much.
George Weston
The important change from the last time is the much better improvement of those four destination stores. Yes, absolutely.
Aneesha Sherman
Yes, okay. Thank you.
John Bason
And I think, to second George, I’m looking at somewhere into the fourth quarter, we will be getting a much better field, depending on whether like-for-like settle out, where the margins look. But the – I would say the UK stores has been a very good guide for that.
Aneesha Sherman
Okay. Thank you.
Operator
The next question comes from the line of James Grzinic from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
James Grzinic
Thanks. Good morning George and John, I had two quick ones as well.
The first one is, are you already looking to change the supply chain. I thought that fades into Primark U.S.
Are you already looking at changing it from an extension of the European supply chain? And the second one, George, can you perhaps talk about how the Oracle program and the rollout is progressing at Primark?
Presumably, it is generating or will generate considerable efficiency savings to then reinvest in some of the areas that you touched on?
George Weston
Yes. We are looking to change the supply chain in the United States, but that work hasn’t really begun yet.
We just can’t do much during COVID. But it will change.
It’s on our list of ways of improving the profitability of the American business. Oracle really is a driver more of better, more relevant information than it is a cost-saving program.
It’s also an enormous enabler for all sorts of things, not least, multicurrency operations become so much easier with Oracle financials. With any IT program, my experience is particularly towards the end of them.
You’re very ill advised to say, yes, it’s brilliant. We will tell you when it’s done.
So far, so good, but there is some perilous waters to cross still before we can sort of sit back and say, well, that was hard, but it’s done.
John Bason
George is always right to point out the risk, and I will be with him on that. I think I would say, however, is that in terms of ordering to right the way through to the stock management in the stores, the – I’m pleased to say that our fully operating is order through to the stock into the warehouse.
So the last bit then is taking Oracle into the stores themselves for the stock management on all of that. And that’s really what we’ve been looking at over the next 6 months.
George Weston
And that last bit is really important in terms of telling us where we’ve got stock and where we don’t. We get so much more clarity of what the stock holdings in store actually are once that last piece is done.
James Grzinic
And so just to reiterate, all that piece of work is supposed to be completed within the next 6 months?
George Weston
Yes. I hate targets, but looking at me James, look, we’re a number of years into this.
I’d really complement the work that’s gone on by the Primark team. It’s not done until it’s done, but that’s the sort of time frame that we’re looking at.
James Grzinic
Okay. Thank you.
George Weston
Thanks.
Operator
The next question comes from the line of Richard Chamberlain from RBC. Please go ahead.
Richard Chamberlain
Thank you. Good morning guys.
A couple from me, please, from on Primark. I wondered maybe, George, you can give us an update on the composition of Primark’s inventory just in terms of how much is being carried forward, your balance between home-related stuff or occasion, going-out wear.
And that’s the first one. And then on Ingredients, can you just talk through why you expect the profits to fall in the second half and to be stable for the year?
I mean I presume it’s mainly a tougher comparable issue, but anything else to mention there on Ingredients for the second half? Thanks.
George Weston
Let me tackle the second one first. Yes, this time last year, customers stocked up on the sort of ingredients that we supply.
So the sales level saw a great surge in the first half of last year, and we don’t expect that to be repeated this time. So we think that sales will drop simply because...
Richard Chamberlain
It’s a tough comparable, yes.
John Bason
Yes, it’s a tough comparable.
Richard Chamberlain
Okay, thanks.
George Weston
Moving across to Primark inventory, we’ve got about £150 million of spring/summer inventory that we put away last year and about £200 million...
John Bason
£260 million.
George Weston
£260 million, I beg your pardon, of autumn/winter that we have just put away. Now we were very careful as we selected what to put away and what to try to clear that we only put away either items where the fashion component was low.
So you put away sweatshirts and T-shirts and things, which were this year as they are last year. And we only put away ranges which have not been brought out and shown to customers last time around.
Richard Chamberlain
Okay.
George Weston
So one of the things that we are particularly pleased about in this first week of opening is almost – we’ve had almost no reports of people saying, "We’ve seen it before. This was out on the shelf last year."
Even though a better amount of what we’re selling now is put-away stock from last spring/summer. The customer just doesn’t.
Richard Chamberlain
Yes, yes. Thanks very much.
George Weston
Okay. Thanks, Richard.
Operator
The next question comes from the line of Warren Ackerman from Barclays. Please go ahead.
Warren Ackerman
Good morning, George and John. Warren here at Barclays.
A couple of questions from me as well. So on Sugar, we haven’t touched on that one, it was a strong H1.
I was wondering whether you could say where spot EU prices are because obviously, on your chart, I think €390 a ton, that’s – I guess that’s an EU commission number that’s lagged. And what that means going into next year, I suppose, on Sugar?
And then sort of related to that, the Illovo point, it sounds like you’re saying that some of the profit recovery is being phased from H2 into H1 pull-forward. Just wondering whether you can confirm that, and any kind of moving parts around Illovo timing would be useful?
And then just secondly, on Grocery, I mean you are striking a more cautious tone. Just wondering how much of a margin impact do you expect from kind of higher corn oil for brands like Mazola.
It sounds like that’s where the pressure point is in the U.S. I also know weak Australia, George Weston Foods, particularly the meats business.
And where do you think kind of Grocery might kind of end up for the year? Those are my two.
Thank you.
George Weston
Okay.
John Bason
George, do you want to do that?
George Weston
Yes, John. Yes, let’s do the EU price one.
Yes, the – well, the chart that we showed is actually the prices for sugar, right the way across – by the way, across Europe. They do vary.
So there are some parts of the EU which are lower. So those prices that are broadly pertaining in the UK are higher than those.
There is a bit of the lag, which we’ve always seen in the European Commission reporting of this. So if you’re looking at spot prices, which you know I don’t really like because there are always small volumes and reporting, mid-400s would be the sort of prices that – of euro per ton that we’re looking at.
So what is the prospects as we look into next year? Well, you can see that there is not a big increase in EU production.
As we look ahead. So the stock position is tight.
The production does not look like it’s going to really rebound strongly next year. So what does that mean?
But compared to the British Sugar prices that we’ve got at the moment, probably small up, but don’t – but there is no major – the absence of the negative, Warren. There is no major undermining of that.
It’s notable that the frost in France, which took out so much of John’s wine crop in that country in the last few months, has also done significant damage to plantings of sugar beet in France. So the best of the best producer may well have some – well, may well produce less sugar on the back of that.
Turning to grocery, the impact in Mazola of both volume reductions and also much higher corn oil prices we expect to be in the tens of millions of dollars. If I move to Australia and Don, there is probably – we would see a sort of AUD10 million switch.
Now things are actually getting better in Australia with the improvement in foodservice demand, which is a significant part of what Don supplies into. So maybe Don will have a better second half than we feared only a month ago or so.
But those give you the shape of the downside there.
Warren Ackerman
Okay. Can I maybe just squeeze one more in, just on Primark and on currency as we think about modeling 2022 given dollar-sterling and dollar-euro?
Obviously, it’s an impact for for 2022. But obviously, sterling is moving around, but it does look like quite a notable kind of translation positive for 2022.
Are you able to give us, John, any kind of sort of sensitivity around dollar-sterling and sterling-euro just as we think about bought in for next year?
John Bason
Well, I think it’s probably premature to give too much on that other than – well. I mean, when you look at the movement in the exchange rate, they can move pretty quickly.
Let me put it this way. The current spots for the dollar and the euro, which are really the two key numbers, they would give a margin upside.
If they were to continue for the whole of the year, it will probably be a 3-figure profit number. But we are looking at offsets on that of – particularly sea freight and a number of the other costs that would go there.
So I would not be penciling in any sort of major upsides because I think we’re seeing, but at least we do have that tailwind. I mean it’s obviously right.
You can see the scale of that currency upside. But we’re looking at some of the other things.
So at the moment, the good news would be, we feel that the gross margin is certainly supportive at these levels. And let’s see where we go over the next coming months.
Warren Ackerman
Alright. Thanks, John.
George Weston
I think I’d turn it around and say, if it wasn’t for these currencies, we’d have some really nasty headwinds.
Warren Ackerman
Alright. Okay, thanks.
George Weston
Freight rates are just – I guess we’re simply – the doubling of freight rates would have done a good day’s work.
Warren Ackerman
Okay. Thank you guys.
Operator
The next question comes from the line of Simon Irwin from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
Simon Irwin
Good morning. A couple of questions for you.
How are you thinking about M&A now? The balance sheet is pretty solid.
And obviously, you’re much more confident about the world ahead. Do you see opportunities out there that perhaps weren’t there in a pre-COVID world?
And just within the Grocery business, obviously, some of the markets you’re working in, notably Australia, are obviously kind of well past reopening now. What kind of trends are you seeing there?
I mean, are you seeing the kind of a total reversal of kind of eating-from-home and out-of-home trends? Or is it much more moderate than that?
George Weston
That’s interesting. M&A opportunity – yes, we’re – the scale of the cash outflow at the height of the closures this year, I think, would give any sign – any sane combination of Chief Executive and Finance Director pause before they committed the rest of their balance to an M&A venture.
£650 million of cash outflow in the period because of closure is just an enormous number. And we don’t have anything like the certainty – enough certainty to say that there won’t be another lockdown in the autumn or when those important markets of Germany, France, Italy will – Ireland will come back to normal.
So I think we just have to be cautious for the time being. In the meantime, if there are modest expenditure levels – modest levels of expenditure required for particularly strategic M&A opportunities, we will take them.
And we’ve been doing so. We bought – I’m not sure we talked to you last – after about a little company in Sweden called Larodan which has great expertise in polar lipids.
I was mentioning the pharmaceutical lipids. Well, that’s about improving our capabilities at the R&D end of that.
So it’s – I don’t think there are even a dozen people at Larodan, but gee, it was too nice an opportunity to miss to improve our intellectual property and our ability to develop more in that sector. So expect that sort of thing to continue.
But the kind of multi-hundred million-pound expenditures, I don’t think we’re in the mood for it. I think another reason, though, for not being in the mood is that – and maybe we will talk about it more next time we’re together.
There is a really nice pipeline of business development opportunities based around capital and other areas developing across the portfolio. We’ve mentioned some of these feed mills.
There is a lot more beside that we’re looking into at the moment.
John Bason
I don’t think we’ve seen a real uptick and any interest in that. So that’s a good result.
George Weston
Yes. So that would be, I think – my answer is that to the M&A path.
And then in Australia, we’re seeing – well, two things, I think, to call out. The first one is to return to much more normal levels of volume in foodservice, led by QSR, quick-service restaurants, in particular, where we have good representation both with Tip Top and Don.
So that’s great. And then the second thing that we’re seeing – well, it’s what we’re not seeing, which is recession, we thought that some of our premium brand – sales of Twinings in Australia are very strong.
We’re the market leader by value and I think volume as well in the Australian tea market. And the absence of a recession in Australia, which I thought was a nailed-on certainty, I think, is giving us oxygen in our more premium-priced businesses.
I think if we were sitting together 6 months ago, I think John and I would have said we’re going to have the mother and father of all recessions around the world, and Twinings, in particular, is going to have a miserable time of it because of that. And we’re not seeing that at all.
And I think we’re more likely to have a consumer boom than a consumer recession.
Simon Irwin
Excellent. Thank you.
George Weston
Okay, Simon. Thanks.
Operator
The next question comes from the line of Warwick Okines from Exane. Please go ahead.
Warwick Okines
Yes. Good morning, George and John, two questions back on Primark, please.
Firstly, could you say a bit more about Primark’s medium-term strategy in the UK? Before COVID, it had been at store refurb and I think sort of low single-digit space growth story through enlargements.
Is that unchanged by COVID? And what sort of rent reductions are you seeing in the – in your end-of-lease discussions?
And secondly, can you give us a sense of the proportion that Primark’s goods, which are made from sustainable or recycled fabrics at the moment, please?
George Weston
Okay. The medium-term strategy in the UK has not significantly changed.
We’ve got the store portfolio by and large that we think we need in the medium and probably long term, too. I think there is, though, an opportunity with the demise of some of our competitors to expand the ranges we sell in certain categories.
And we’re on to that. It’s too early to tell whether we are benefiting from other people’s demise in the week that we’ve been trading so far.
But we would hope that there’s room for us to benefit from the loss of some of our high Street competitors. And that’s new, obviously.
Sustainable recycled percentages of total, yes. I will get back to you.
I know that when we closed, we had something like 60 million items of clothing made from sustainable cotton and I think 20 million from recycled polyester, but I don’t have those numbers as a proportion of everything we sell in my head yet at the moment.
Warwick Okines
Okay. No problem.
And just on rent reduction spend?
George Weston
And we don’t. Certainly, the sustainable cotton program is – I think it’s the largest in clothing retail globally.
John Bason
Yes. So Warwick, just when you asked about the UK footprint.
I suppose it’s after in the context of maybe other retailers.
George Weston
Rent.
John Bason
And on rent, I will just talk about footprint. The – obviously in the context of the people pulling their footprint back, that’s not the intent.
And I think George’s comment about, if I can describe as the organic growth certainly in terms of ranges and so forth, I think is really a key going forward. What sort of rent reductions are we seeing?
Up to 50%, really quite a significant ones, so – and what we are as keen to get those wherever there is a break or at least coming towards the end in the UK. Obviously, that will give us a tailwind for a number of years.
I mean, rather than it being scrunched into the next few years of seeing that, we’ll actually see that probably over a number of years to come. But at least there will be a drumbeat of a number of these coming up, I think, every year as we go forward.
George Weston
So just being facetious at the moment, if we can have the rents and get rid of all the rates, we will be in business.
Warwick Okines
Alright. Thanks very much.
John Bason
Thanks.
Operator
The next question comes from the line of Georgina Johanan from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Georgina Johanan
Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.
Two or three from me, please. First of all, perhaps just a follow-up to the last question on the rent reduction.
Is it possible just to give us a kind of average of roughly what proportion of the UK portfolio is coming up for renewal kind of each year on average, just to give us a sense, please? The second question was on the U.S.
and brand awareness and really whether you feel there’s like a halo effect developing into kind of neighboring cities and so on? And any plans to kind of develop brand awareness in the U.S., perhaps a digital strategy?
But just anything you can share there would be helpful? And then finally, just on sustainability.
You mentioned that we should be mindful of kind of sort of fixed costs kind of going into the Primark P&L around sustainability. Is that sort of – are you expecting the sustainable fabrics to kind of be more expensive on average or is it around communication or is it something else there that I perhaps haven’t touched on?
Thank you.
John Bason
So, I will touch on just the – look, I don’t have an absolute number at all, but I would say a handful of leases in the UK come up for negotiation each year. So that’s the sort of number you should be looking at.
And that would be then out of – actually, for the UK number, let’s say, there is probably 18 stores or something. So that’s the sort of the context of it.
George Weston
Just a reminder, two things, firstly, we own a fair chunk of the space in the UK.
John Bason
Yes.
George Weston
And then secondly, we do have some long – a fair chunk of long leaseholds. But I think between 5 and 10 stores a year are likely to come up each year for the next few years.
On the sustainability question of extra cost, I think there is some transition costs that we have. So we are – you may see that a number of our ranges are no longer hung on plastic coat hangers.
They are on cardboard ones. We pay a significantly higher cost for that cardboard at the moment, but it is the task of the supply chain people to sort out the production levels and also the cost of that new type of coat hanger.
But undoubtedly, there is a cost to be born in the meantime. Sustainable cotton, recycled cotton, in time, we hope will come at the same cost as cotton available now, yes.
And it’s all really important that we do manage to produce garments at the same price because fundamentally, we believe that sustainable product shouldn’t come at a premium. Going on to the U.S., I don’t have brand measures that I’m willing to share with you at the moment.
The marketing has to be very local, whether it is digital or other means. Because if you don’t go local you just waste so much from when we’ve roughly got 12 stores, but certainly, the reopening – sorry, the opening of Chicago and also Florida was accompanied by a good level of digital engagement in both cases.
Georgina Johanan
Great. Thank you.
George Weston
Okay.
Operator
The next question comes from the line of Roland French from Davy. Please go ahead.
Roland French
Hi, good morning George. Good morning, John.
I hope you are keeping well. I have got three questions if I could, two on Primark and on the food business.
So the first on Primark is just in relation to the U.S. I just want to get a sense around the U.S.
customer and I guess how that customer differs from a typical British or European customer. What’s he or she buying?
I know you alluded to more licensed goods, and that’s the feature of the U.S. market there, but what’s the basket mix looking like?
Maybe some color around densities just to give us a sense of customer or even per unit economics there. And then kind of similarly, around sales mix in the UK, and this is somewhat of a longer-dated question.
Like you called out some of the NPD verticals that you might be focusing in on over the couple – next couple of quarters around maternity, around baby wear, homeware, I think some licensing deals there as well. Do you see that basket mix evolving over the next 12 to 18 months from kind of traditional clothing apparel?
And then just finally, on commodity inflation, clearly, there is several pockets across the food businesses, but maybe you might remind us how you typically deal with that either through pricing or natural, even synthetic hedging? Thanks.
George Weston
Sorry, just – the U.S. customer – our best U.S.
customer is less affluent on average, I think, than our European, including English and Irish customer at the moment. So if you look at the sites that we are going into, we are chasing, I would call it, the Brooklyn customer.
And a significant proportion of for business at the moment is made up of less affluent people of Hispanic origin. So, fewer fashion-led visits at the moment, it’s exactly what we saw when we went into Spain.
It took us longer to develop fashion credentials, and I think that’s inevitable, than it did to excite less affluent people around the value for money that we – that a trip to a Primark store will unlock. In the UK, yes, we will continue to develop maternity, baby and home.
We think there’s really good opportunity in all. There is obviously a space constraint in all this, but we think that there are opportunities.
Now if they turn out to be smaller than we think, then we’ll do something else. The flexibility of Primark commercial teams is notable.
But we think that there are – we really do believe that there are good opportunities in all three areas. I think the baby area will only strengthen as we get later on this year towards the autumn/winter collection.
Commodities and how we manage them. Well, it’s very much up to the individual businesses in the group to manage, a, the commodity position, obviously, with central oversight.
But it is for Tip Top in Australia to work with our mills on hedging strategies rather than for the center to do it. And the same is true around all the rest of the group.
John Bason
George, if I could add maybe just a bit of guidance. We are very unlikely to go long.
That is the point. So, there is hedging around the group, but it would normally be of a much shorter duration.
So you won’t find us often really going massively out of the money because we are taking a view on our long term. That’s actually got some away from us.
And so as a result you asked what’s the strategy in terms then of pricing? By and large, it is pricing that we would react to.
Unless we felt that there was a mountain and then we’ll burrow through it, and we wouldn’t respond. So that’s the way we would look at.
So we are not about taking long positions. They vary by month.
And – but then certainly, pricing is a major lever that you do want to be able to pull. Then you have the lag or whatever effects of when the prices come through compared to the commodity cost.
Roland French
Yes. Thanks.
Operator
We now have time for one final question, and this is a follow-up question from the line of Aneesha Sherman from Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Aneesha Sherman
Hi, thank you for taking my quick follow-up question. It’s just going back to the point around rents.
And I was just wondering, as you open new stores, both within the UK and outside and you renegotiate rents, what is your typical lease length on the newly signed leases? And are you also putting in some variable sales-linked portion into those leases?
Thank you.
John Bason
Typically, we now want 5-year break clauses. It will be an exceptional store that where we will accept anything that doesn’t have a 5-year break in it.
And no, we don’t put variable sales levels into any of our leases.
Aneesha Sherman
Okay, thank you.
John Bason
Okay, thank you.
Operator
We have run out of time, so I will now hand back to George Weston for any closing remarks.
George Weston
No. I think we have had a very good session and I don’t think I need to repeat things I’ve said before, other than to say I hope that the world is gradually returning to normal, at least in the lives of all of us on the call, even if it’s going to take a while longer for many of our colleagues.
So, thank you very much for coming, and look forward to seeing you. I’m reminding myself what you all look like, maybe when we next get together in 6 months’ time.
So thank you all very much.
John Bason
Yes. Goodbye all.
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you everyone for joining. That concludes today’s conference and you may now disconnect.