Washington H. Soul Pattinson and Company Limited

Washington H. Soul Pattinson and Company Limited

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Q4 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptSeptember 24, 2026

Courtney Howe

Good morning, and welcome to the Soul Patts financial results presentation for the financial year 2026, being the 12-month period ending 31 July 2026. My name is Courtney Howe.

I'm responsible for corporate affairs and investor relations at Soul Patts, and I'm pleased to introduce our presenters for today. Todd Barlow, MD and CEO, will address performance highlights and major transactions completed during the year.

David Grbin, CFO, will cover the group financial results before handing back to Todd to step through portfolio performance and the outlook. We will respond to questions at the end, starting with analyst questions on the line.

As usual, there is the option for written questions to be submitted at any point during the webcast, and you will see a question box on the bottom of your screen. Over to you, Todd.

Todd Barlow

Thank you, Courtney, and welcome to everybody joining us today. FY26 was a significant year for Soul Patts.

We completed the $15 billion merger with Brickworks, the largest transaction in our 123-year history, which simplified our structure and strengthened the balance sheet. The combined group is already delivering value and outperformance for shareholders.

Our portfolio is more diversified and more liquid, carrying more capacity to act than at any point before. We are also expanding the portfolio geographically, with a growing number of global investments embedded across the broader portfolio.

We aim to grow the portfolio and outperform the market over the long term, increase cash generation to underpin dividend growth, and deliver those returns while actively managing investment risk. The next three slides discuss each of these objectives.

Starting with portfolio growth, we had a strong outperformance against the ASX benchmark. Post-tax net asset value on a per-share basis grew 27.2%.

This includes significant tax assets that arise from the Brickworks merger. If we exclude tax and look at the pre-tax NAV, the portfolio returned 10.2%, outperforming the index by 4.2%.

Over the last 5 years, the pre-tax portfolio has returned 11.5% per annum, 3.5% ahead of the market. That's a phenomenal track record in an environment where many fund managers have found the market very difficult.

Looking at the growth from the perspective of total shareholder returns, last year, the 16.8% growth was 10.8% above market. What matters more to us is the long run.

Over 25 years, Soul Patts has returned 12.8% per annum against 8.4% for the index. Compounded, that is a total return of more than 1,900%, just about tripling the market value.

Net cash flows from investments grew 11.5% to $572 million. On a per-share basis, NCFI has compounded at 15% per annum over 5 years, from 75 cents per share in FY21 to $1.51 in FY26.

That cash flow reflects the health of our portfolio and, importantly, is what funds the dividend. Today, the company announced a final dividend of 63 cents fully franked, taking total dividends for the year to 111 cents, up 7.8% on the previous year.

This marks our 28th consecutive year of dividend growth, and over that period, we are very pleased that dividends have compounded at over 10% per annum. One comparison I want to draw out here is Soul Patts' dividend growth relative to the broader market.

Over the past 5 years, our dividends per share have compounded at over 12% per annum, whereas dividends across the ASX 200 have been fairly flat at around 1% growth per annum and were negative last year. Another key objective is to manage risk.

In the last 5 years, we have actively de-risked what was an equity-centric portfolio into one that is genuinely multi-asset. Today, we are more diversified and less correlated than ever before.

The shape of the portfolio shows how actively we managed this. 5 years ago, the portfolio was $5.8 billion and 90% listed equities.

Today, it is a $13.7 billion portfolio, and listed equities are 40%, including all of the listed equities across listed companies and emerging companies. The balance of the portfolio sits across asset classes that behave differently through the cycle.

This year, we turned over $12.7 billion in total buying and selling, and we hold $2.7 billion of net cash and liquid investments in the fixed income strategy. Essentially, our allocations follow opportunity.

We do not fill buckets, with capital moving to where the risk-adjusted returns are most attractive. Our aim is to exceed market returns with a portfolio that carries lower risk than the market.

The clearest evidence of this is what happens in down markets. Over 25 years, when the ASX has had a negative month, Soul Patts has performed 1.8% better per month on average.

We protect shareholder capital when markets fall and keep pace when they rise, and this is the biggest contributor to our track record. Let me turn to the two major transactions that occurred through the year.

First, the merger with Brickworks completed in September 2025. This simplified the structure, increased free float and liquidity, and grew our shareholder base by 35% to 84,000.

It also transformed our tax position from a constraint into an asset, which David will cover in detail. Brickworks Building Products is now the largest investment in our private companies asset class.

Since taking full ownership, we have been simplifying the operations. We repaid debt and certain legacy operating leases and worked with management on a cost-out program, with annualized savings that will flow through from FY27.

The merger triggered pre-existing rights held by Goodman, which gave rise to the sale of our industrial property interests, which completed in June 2026 and delivered $1.9 billion of net cash proceeds. This was a very positive result for Soul Patts.

The portfolio was substantially developed and stabilized and priced at full market value at a time when listed industrial property is trading at a meaningful discount to asset backing. Subsequent to the transaction, long-term bond rates have been increasing, putting further pressure on future returns.

We are confident we can redeploy the proceeds from this transaction into meaningfully higher returns. We retained about $400 million of real estate exposure from Brickworks, now within real assets, and importantly, a number of good development sites with further upside.

The relationship with Goodman began in 2005. Over two decades, land that once housed brick plants and clay pits was progressively developed into prime industrial estates, and the returns over that period were exceptional.

It's one of the best examples I can point to of what patient capital and the right partner can compound into. Shareholders will have heard us talk about our desire to allocate more to private markets and how that was taking us offshore.

This strategy has been developed over the past 3 years, where we have been building relationships with private market managers across private equity and credit in North America, the UK, and Europe. The strategy evolved from the fact that the asset classes we like are quite niche in Australia.

In private equity, we look to back high-quality companies with growth capital in partnership with founders, management, or owners. There's a limited number of those kinds of opportunities in Australia at scale.

The other area we like is private credit, where we can invest in a structured way to protect our downside and get access to good risk-adjusted returns. There's a natural ceiling to the size of our direct book in Australia, but there's a very deep pool of opportunities globally.

The team has mapped more than 1,800 prospective partners and reviewed over 300 in depth to arrive at 17 commitments for FY26. We do the sourcing and diligence in-house, and the relationships are already earning us co-investment opportunities on preferential terms.

FY26 was a very busy year, with around $1 billion of new commitments made across 17 positions. Post year-end, we have agreed to allocate another $660 million.

It should be noted that these are just commitments, and the funds that have actually been invested to date is around $600 million. Over the coming years, our commitments will be drawn down as opportunities present themselves and money is called.

Each position is sourced and diligenced by the same team that has responsibility for direct investments. For example, a fund allocation to credit will sit within our credit asset class and be managed by our credit team.

Return profiles will take time to build, and the target returns are indicatively above 20% for private companies and above 10% in credit. We believe that offshore markets not only provide the depth of opportunity, but also a good diversifier for the portfolio and an opportunity to derive foreign income that we can attach our franking credits to.

FY26 was an extremely productive year. In addition to the merger of Brickworks, we transacted $12.7 billion, which is our highest on record.

Sometimes I'm asked how this level of activity reconciles with being a patient long-term investor. I don't believe the portfolio activity is inconsistent with our historical approach.

The market environment is changing rapidly, and we need to adapt. In addition to the portfolio adjustments we have been making, we believe we need to be agile and build the liquidity to act when the time is right.

We are positioning the portfolio to be even more diverse and resilient than ever before. We're also opening up exciting new asset classes and opportunities.

However, our approach to being disciplined, patient, and long term, in terms of thinking beyond the short-term randomness of market volatility, is consistent with the way we've always acted. Last year, we sold $2.7 billion more than we bought.

This was a deliberate strategy and a desire to build up liquidity and a fixed income portfolio that I'll discuss shortly. In addition to the cash we have accumulated, we also have access to attractive debt that would assist with further acquisitions.

At year-end, the total liquidity was over $3.8 billion. I'll hand over to David Grbin, our CFO, to take you through the group financial results.

David Grbin

Thank you, Todd. Good morning, everyone.

It's a real pleasure today to present our 2026 results to our shareholders. They're a strong set of numbers, and it is a delight to be able to do that today.

As always, I'd like to remind investors that statutory profit isn't a measure that we always use to assess performance, given the number of one-off items running through the financial report this year, particularly following the Brickworks merger. I'll do my best to demystify some of these complicated accounting issues for you all today.

Our reported or statutory net profit after tax for the year was $2.191 billion, up 502% on the prior corresponding period of $364 million. This year, we've presented our statutory NPAT in three components, and we've done that given the higher level of portfolio turnover this year and our reduced reliance on associate earnings.

We think the regular and non-regular NPAT split is no longer a meaningful way to look at our financial results. How have we done this?

Firstly, we've bucketed up items into non-recurring, and they total a $1.5 billion gain. Around $1.3 billion of it came from the day-one accounting gain and tax cost base reset on the completion of the Brickworks merger, which we don't expect to reoccur in 2027.

The balance, around $200 million, is made up of two parts: firstly, a gain of $436 million from marking to market our remaining interests in Tuas and Aeris, we moved from equity accounting to fair value accounting during the year; and that was partly offset by just over $200 million worth of impairment, restructuring, and other non-recurring costs. The second component is a total portfolio gains and losses, whether they be realized or unrealized.

For FY26, they total $343 million, up $107 million on FY25, and they will go depending on market conditions and where we want to take the portfolio. Finally, we're left with what we call now operating NPAT, which is the NPAT from subsidiaries, associates, plus our portfolio income, for example, dividends, interest, fees, and distributions, less any of our expenses that we have to pay on the portfolio and our corporate costs.

Consolidated operating NPAT was $319 million for FY26, down $36 million on the prior corresponding period, largely due to a lower profit contribution from our New Hope investment. If I now turn to our key performance metrics that we do focus on, net cash flow from investments is the first one.

It's the performance measure we believe best reflects the financial health of our portfolio. It captures received income in cash from the portfolio, including dividends, interest, fees, and distributions, as well as any realized gains or losses on trading assets.

NCFI for the year was $572 million, up 11.5% on FY25. That growth was driven by a larger-than-average credit book, which delivered strong returns, and higher dividend distribution income from our real assets portfolio through the industrial property joint venture businesses and some property development activity, and the cash-generative businesses in private companies.

On a per-share basis and reflecting the increased capital base following the Brickworks merger, NCFI grew 8.3% to $1.51 per share in FY26. Over a 5-year period, NCFI per share has compounded at 15% per annum, starting from 75 cents in FY21 and finishing at the $1.51 that I just mentioned in FY26.

This consistency in cash flow growth is what underpins our unbroken 28-year record of dividend increases. I'll now turn to net asset value.

We look at net asset value on both a pre-tax and post-tax basis. Following the Brickworks merger and the resulting step-up in market values of all of our assets in the combined group, our post-tax NAV is now higher than the pre-tax NAV.

The deferred tax liability that we previously carried has now become a deferred tax asset. In plain terms, it means less tax to pay when we realize those assets in future.

Post-tax NAV increased 31.4% in the year to $14.5 billion. That's an extra $8.15 per share or a 27.2% increase on a per-share basis.

On a pre-tax basis, NAV was $13.7 billion, a return of 10.2% for the year, outperforming the market by 4.2%. That outperformance isn't a one-year story.

Over the 5 years, we've returned 11.5% per annum, outperforming the market by 3.5% per annum. I'll now turn to tax assets.

The Brickworks merger has also transformed our tax position. We now hold a net deferred tax asset of $792 million, or $2.09 per share, compared with a deferred tax liability of $1.4 billion in FY25.

This change has arisen from the merger of Brickworks, where the tax cost base of all of our assets was reset to market value. This is important for our portfolio as it means we can transact in the future without tax friction.

In addition, our shareholders have the benefit of a franking credit balance of just over $1 billion, or $2.75 per share. That balance grosses up to a potential dividend of $2.4 billion of untaxed income that's able to be distributed to shareholders fully franked.

Given the increasing exposure to offshore assets in our portfolio generating foreign income, Soul Patts can continue to pay a fully franked dividend to our shareholders by drawing down on this bank of franking credits. Before I hand back to Todd, I'd like to touch briefly on how we value the portfolio, given the increasing diversity of asset classes we now hold.

We apply a rigorous valuation methodology to each asset class every 6 months. Around 40% of the portfolio is valued at market value, principally our listed holdings, which are valued at the market prices at the end of each reporting period.

A further 31% is subject to third-party valuations. These are assets held in externally managed funds and are valued at the assessed valuations provided by the managers of those funds or based on observable market data.

We subject these assets to our own analysis, and of course, they're subject to external audit. An example of this would be our real estate assets, which undergo third-party valuations at least annually.

Assets at directors' fair value applies to a further 21% of the portfolio. These are predominantly private companies not held in funds.

They are at directors' valuations informed by valuations reviewed externally by independent valuation experts. The final 8% is our private credit assets that are held at what's called amortized cost.

As required by accounting standards, we deploy an expected credit loss methodology. This follows a review of credit ratings for each debtor, and specific market risk factors and company factors are included in that calculation.

This approach is also externally reviewed and subject to external audit. I'll hand back now to Todd to walk us through the portfolio performance and individual asset classes.

Todd Barlow

Thank you, David. Let me now take you through the portfolio itself, asset class by asset class.

At year-end, the portfolio was $13.7 billion on a pre-tax basis or $14.5 billion after tax. At the end of the first half, the portfolio held less than $500 million in cash, and today it's 20% of the portfolio, a deliberate and tactical position to manage liquidity across the group in the current environment.

Six asset classes make up the portfolio today, and every one of them now carries a global component. I'll step through each one.

Listed companies has come down to 30% of the portfolio from 57% last year. This is largely because Brickworks is no longer a listed holding following the merger.

It now shows up in private companies and real assets. In addition to the delisting of Brickworks, we sold down $2.8 billion of equities through the year, including $910 million of TPG.

We reduced the size of this book through the year to hold 39 positions, targeting reliable income and long-term compounding. New Hope remains our largest position alongside TPG.

Performance for listed companies was very strong, returning 17.1% for the year and beating the ASX 200 benchmark by over 11%. To put that in context, roughly three-quarters of active Australian equity managers failed to beat the benchmark during that period.

Performance was driven by our overweight position in energy, exposure to resources, and deliberate rotation into defensive names. Fixed income is a new addition to the portfolio this year, now sitting at 20%.

We established it specifically to actively manage the group's liquidity and give ourselves more flexibility, funding it through equity sales and proceeds from the industrial property divestment. Because it's only been running for a small part of the year, the income contribution so far is modest, but income will build into FY27.

The book itself is conservative by design. It is currently in high-quality short-duration instruments, split roughly two-thirds to global and one-third domestic, carrying an average AA credit rating, and is fully hedged back into Australian dollars.

This liquidity gives us real optionality to deploy as opportunities emerge. However, this by no means is a parking spot for cash.

We are now seeing opportunities in fixed income that look relatively favorable and attractive. The way that the yields are increasing means we are receiving reasonable compensation for holding cash, which we have not seen for a number of years.

To put it in perspective, the current yield on this portfolio would have beaten the total return of the equity markets over the past year, and we are taking very little risk. The private companies portfolio continues to build and nearly doubled in NAV this year and now represents 17% of the total portfolio, largely on the back of the Brickworks Building Products addition alongside strong underlying value creation across the book.

We generated an IRR of close to 32% in FY26. Cash generation improved too.

Net cash flow from investments rose 34% to $49 million, driven by stronger contributions from Ampcontrol and Carlile Swimming. This is a diversified book of 15 investments.

89% of the value is held directly, and the other 11% of value sits with our allocation to offshore funds and co-investments, which continue to grow. Looking at the four largest direct investments, Building Products is now our largest in this asset class, where we are streamlining the platform with the cost-out program, realizing value as we look into FY27.

Ampcontrol, a partnership now in its third decade, continues to benefit from the energy transition and is increasingly finding opportunities in data center power infrastructure. Carlile Swimming has brought together several swim school brands under one national platform, now running 31 centers.

It has a best-in-class curriculum, recently receiving a national award for excellence. Ironbark is a leading national wealth platform that has been growing at scale, and now with total funds under management and advice increasing 12% over FY26 to $97 billion.

Soul Patts has a long history of backing private businesses. What makes our approach different is structural.

We have no time horizon, no pressure to sell. We use low leverage and focus on long-term value creation.

This is why founders like to partner with us. Alongside our direct holdings, we are continuing to build out our offshore relationships.

At year-end, we've committed close to $580 million across nine positions, with six added this year. Of that, $258 million was invested at year-end.

Our global private company focus is on mid-market funds of roughly US$500 million to $3 billion, run by managers with deep expertise in a particular sector or strategy, where deal flow is more often bilateral than auctioned, and leverage is lower. We are looking to find emerging managers who have something genuinely differentiated.

We are often among the first Australian investors in these funds. Backing the right managers earns us access to individual deals alongside them on preferential terms.

Two of the six new positions this year came through exactly that route. Looking at the split of commitments by strategy, the capital sits primarily across growth equity, which is consistent with our focus domestically.

Credit sits at 12% of the portfolio and delivered a total return of 13.5% for the year, an excellent result for an asset class that has been performing consistently since FY22. NAV came down slightly to $1.7 billion, reflecting net repayments of $117 million over the year, even though we deployed $1.1 billion into new positions.

The sign of good health of a credit book is when you get repaid, but we do have to work really hard to constantly originate new opportunities to remain invested in this asset class. NCFI was up close to 40% to $220 million, helped by a higher average invested balance and a record year for origination fees.

The book today spans 34 positions, I should say—24 direct investments and 10 offshore. Given the high level of new origination, the average remaining loan term of the direct book is around 3 years.

Those offshore positions account for $373 million of invested capital, and we've got a further $524 million committed but not yet drawn. We added five new offshore commitments in FY26 and have a further eight already lined up for FY27, there's more growth to come as funds are drawn down.

What differentiates our credit book is that we're not constrained to any one part of the capital structure. We can lend senior, junior, secured, or unsecured, wherever we see the best risk-adjusted return.

This year, that meant fewer, larger positions, each individually structured with real downside protection. Right now, the book is weighted firmly towards the top end of the capital structure, with senior secured lending making up the largest single component, complemented by junior secured and asset-backed positions, and only a small allocation to unsecured, preferred equity, and reinsurance.

It is also diversified by sector. Industrials is our largest exposure, followed by energy, consumer, financials, and materials, with a smaller position in real estate and IT.

Fortunately, we've always avoided real estate developer loans, which make up more than half the private credit industry in Australia, and we have not allocated to SaaS businesses offshore, which is where we see the most stress building in the market. We're not making a concentrated bet on any single part of the economy.

Our discipline shows up in what we didn't do as much as what we did. We turned down more than 80 deals in FY26 because they didn't meet our return or structuring requirements.

Since we started this strategy in FY22, every single loan or bond position we've exited, 22 in total, has been repaid in full with no capital losses. This is the result of careful borrower selection and structuring from day one.

We continue to believe this asset class presents strong risk-adjusted returns, investing in companies we think are good quality or have a strong asset base that provides us with structural downside protections. We're targeting low double-digit returns through faster realization events, strong origination economics, and the benefit of rising base rates, not by taking on more risk.

Our flexibility and ability to design solutions also enables us to earn high fees. Alongside our direct lending, we've built a global network of credit fund partnerships.

We've now committed $1.5 billion across 19 positions, with eight more already locked in for FY27. $373 million of that is currently invested.

These commitments are sourced from a mapped universe of more than a thousand managers globally, reviewing over 50 of them in detail, and each manager we back has a distinct strategy and a track record spanning more than one credit cycle. We spread capital deliberately across strategy and manager, drawing commitments down gradually over 1 to 3 years rather than all at once.

All of these strategies target returns in excess of 10%. Emerging companies came down to 12% of the portfolio from 16%, and it was a mixed performance.

This asset class captures a range of investments we hold for growth and includes listed, unlisted, and large strategic stakes. Listed assets include NextDC, EOS, and Clover.

Strategic assets are assets that are derived from our previous strategic portfolio and include Tuas and Aeris. We also have unlisted investments in companies like Rocket, North Harbour Clean Energy, and Kahier.

Our listed and unlisted positions both performed well, outperforming their benchmark. Listed assets returned 4.3% versus the index of 1.8%, and unlisted assets returned 8.9%.

Strategic assets, however, dragged on performance. In the second half, Tuas was hit with an unexpected regulatory intervention in Singapore.

That alone cost us 8% of performance within emerging companies and around 2% at a group level. Fortunately, we had already reduced our exposure in Tuas well before the intervention.

Our holding reduced from 25% to 14% over the period as we sold more than 40 million shares at an average price of around $6.52 per share. It meant that the impact this year was materially smaller than it would otherwise have been.

Looking through this noise, our 3-year track record here remains strong, running comfortably ahead of the benchmark. Through the year, we sold down around $1.7 billion of positions to de-risk and free up capital for redeployment, and we're steadily building more offshore exposure through funds and co-investments.

Real assets is now 10% of the portfolio, with NAV up 77% on the back of the Brickworks merger and higher data center valuations. Even after the industrial property sale to Goodman, we retained around $400 million of Brickworks-related property.

That includes a 50.1% interest in the manufacturing trust, which holds 13 long-leased manufacturing plants, plus $235 million of wholly owned surplus and development land with rezoning potential. Cash flow this year came from distributions on the industrial property assets held ahead of the divestment, together with income from the rest of the property book.

Our strategy with respect to real assets is to gain exposure to hard assets that can ultimately benefit from a repositioning and value uplift through de-risking over time. Our current portfolio spans real estate, agriculture, data centers, and retirement living.

Performance in real assets was dragged down by the fact that a large proportion of its assets through the period were the industrial property assets that were sold at the end of the year for the market price at the start of the year, meaning that we did not get a portfolio return other than a small yield. I'll spend a moment on data centers specifically because it's an area we get asked about often.

We value this exposure at $344 million currently, with a further $118 million of committed equity still to deploy. Our approach here is deliberately conservative.

We partner with a developer and operator of global assets who secure the power and lock in a signed customer contract to improve the value before construction. We believe this approach clearly fits our real assets strategy.

There is a downside protection with asset backing of industrial land with access to power. There is upside if we can secure a long-term contract and approval for redevelopment.

This is a cloud data center strategy. We have limited direct exposure to the AI-specific compute demand that gets a lot of attention in this space.

Again, we believe this is a lower-risk segment of data centers with proven demand and economics. Let me close by talking through the outlook, and I want to frame it in the way we measure our performance: grow the portfolio, increase cash generation, and manage investment risk.

Each asset class has a clear strategy for growing value. Starting with listed companies, we are running an index-unaware, quality-focused strategy.

This year, we are developing a market neutral strategy to run alongside the core book, specifically to lower our correlations to the broader listed market. In private companies, Ampcontrol's move into data center power infrastructure is a good example of the growth we're looking for, an existing platform finding an adjacent market opportunity.

In credit, there continues to be good opportunities for direct loans, and we've already got a further eight offshore credit fund allocations committed in FY27 to keep building that global exposure. Emerging companies has been more selective following the Tuas outcome.

We're leaning into structural themes like uranium and defense, where the current dislocation is creating opportunity rather than risk. In real assets, data centers remains a growth engine for us.

We're focused on progressing assets up the development curve. The FY27 year is off to a strong start.

While only the listed parts of the portfolio have been revalued to market, we have generated strong outperformance in the period to 22 September. Our net asset value has increased 4.3% against a market that is negative 1.1%, a 5.4% outperformance.

In relation to our objective to increase cash generation, we are continuing to see rising base rates, which will work in our favor because the majority of our credit book is floating rate. As rates move up, income from that book moves with it.

Rising rates are also beneficial for our fixed income portfolio. To date, many of our private companies have been focused on growth.

However, we're starting to see some real opportunity for cash generation across this asset class as the investments mature. We go into FY27 with real firepower on the tax side: $1 billion franking credit balance together with tax assets created by the Brickworks merger underpins our distribution capacity for years to come.

We also believe we're in a strong position in terms of the risk management across the portfolio. Our net cash and liquid investments has increased to $3.1 billion, taking available liquidity including undrawn debt facilities to $4.2 billion.

We deliberately established fixed income as a strategic asset class this year, and it's now benefiting from a rising risk-free rate. That level of liquidity means we're well positioned to capitalize on new opportunities as they emerge and to fund the offshore commitments we've already made without needing to sell anything else down.

We remain patient and disciplined. That means continuing to diversify the portfolio and maintain a defensive stance, closely monitoring how rising rates are affecting risk-adjusted returns across every asset class, and we're being very selective.

We'd rather wait for high-conviction opportunities than deploy capital just for the sake of it. On geographic diversification, this is where the scale of what we've built really shows.

We now have $2.6 billion of total commitments across our global private partnerships, spanning multiple asset classes. These established relationships provide access to increased diversification, ongoing deal flow, and opportunities for us to leverage information and learnings from some of the smartest people around the globe.

I'll finish on this last slide, which ties together everything we've covered today. Liquidity is the foundation of being able to fund good opportunities.

The permanence of our capital on our balance sheet is a strategic advantage and allows us to be long-term focused. The quality of our opportunity flows from our deal flow.

Our ability to be flexible and our reputation is what feeds us the opportunities. These are our strengths.

Portfolio allocation comes from selecting the best ideas and ensuring there is a contest for investments. The recycling of capital is an important discipline.

New ideas are funded by selling existing investments. This year, we sold $7.7 billion in assets and made $5 billion in new investments.

That activity is regenerating the portfolio. That simple model, executed well and exploiting our competitive advantages, creates enduring success for our shareholders: 16.8% total shareholder return this year, 12.8% a year for 25 years, and 28 straight years of dividends growing at over 10% per annum.

Thanks very much for your time this morning. I'll hand over to the moderator for questions.

Operator

Thank you. For the analyst participants, if you wish to ask a question via the phones, you will need to press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad.

If you wish to ask a question via the webcast, please type your question into the ask a question box. Your first question comes from Steven Sassine from Morgans.

Please go ahead.

Steven Sassine

Thank you, and good morning, team. A great set of results, as always.

I've just got a couple of questions if that's all right. Maybe, Todd, I'll start with you, and I guess the cash war chest that's been accumulated, about $2.7 billion of net cash and liquids, which is what, 20% of portfolio sitting in that fixed income sleeve?

I guess is there a realistic time to redeploy those funds either into the market or new opportunities? I guess the second part of that is, is there a point at where carrying that much liquidity becomes a drag on NAV growth rather than keeping that optionality?

Todd Barlow

Traditionally, I guess in recent times, people will have seen a large cash balance as a drag on returns and maybe signs of a lazy balance sheet, but we don't see it like that. We actually see it as a strong risk-adjusted return asset class right now.

As I said, the current returns we're getting are what we saw out of equity markets last year on the ASX. I think our prediction is that the year ahead might be more difficult than the year that we've just seen.

It's a very deliberate strategy to maintain capital, take a defensive stance, and we're getting paid for it along the way. That's not to say that we always will have an allocation to fixed income.

It certainly is the easiest and most obvious target for liquidity if we ever saw some good opportunities emerge. Now we're already earmarked a lot of that capital for the allocations that we've made globally.

As I said, we're up to $2.6 billion in commitments, of which only $600 million is drawn. There's another $2 billion of funding that will take place over the next couple of years as we build out that portfolio.

We think that we've largely set a lot of our ambition in terms of how we want to allocate globally, but the funds will take some time to draw down.

Steven Sassine

That's great. Thanks very much.

Maybe if we just move across to the credit book, obviously pretty strong returns in there, but I think you mentioned $1.1 billion of new positions. I guess as you sort of scale and pedal pretty quickly to redeploy some of the capital that rolls off, are you having to sort of move down the capital stack or accept any sort of tighter spreads at all?

Todd Barlow

Spreads are still very tight in the system, but because of the niche way that we play private credit, we haven't had to do that. You can see that our returns have been fairly consistent over the last three, four years that we've been doing this.

Even though the book's been growing, the returns haven't suffered. There has been a view that in this market, we believe that there's better value at the higher-quality end of the private credit universe, because the spreads are so tight, it doesn't necessarily reward you for taking a lot of risk.

What we do to earn that extra outsized return is in companies that need a flexible solution that we work with, we spend a lot of time and effort to construct something that works for them and for us. We might provide a sort of bridging solution, actually the fact that we get repaid quickly, while it's frustrating for our team because they have to keep going and originating new deals, it actually makes the returns look better if we get paid back more quickly.

There's lots of reasons why we're getting outsized returns without having to take more risk.

Steven Sassine

That makes sense. I might push my luck and ask one more if I can.

Maybe switching to offshore, obviously building out a pretty meaningful offshore co-investment across your credit, private companies as well. Can you just remind us how you're resourced to monitor some of those global managers?

I think you mentioned the resources will be within that existing portfolio domestically. Can you maybe just remind us of the expertise within each of those portfolios to manage that?

Maybe the second part if I can, is there a target offshore weighting at all?

Todd Barlow

We don't really have targets on anything, but we do want to balance our overall allocation globally with the fact that there's some very exciting opportunities for us. It's a great avenue for us to be able to get offshore income back into Australia and utilizes our franking credit balance.

If we keep investing in Australia, we keep paying tax in Australia and it's hard for us to eat into our franking credit balance, whereas this is a really great opportunity for us to get outsized returns. We also just like the opportunity set.

As I said in my talk, it's a deeper pool of opportunity, really, really great managers that we're developing partnerships with who can do things that we would love to be able to do here, but the scale just doesn't exist. In terms of your question around the team's ability to do this, the stuff that we're allocating to is consistent with the kinds of investments that we do domestically.

It's just that we can't access that deal flow. We don't have boots on the ground to be able to do it offshore.

The way that we look at it is if we were going to do a credit investment that was $100 million or allocate to a fund that was in credit for $100 million, it's the same level of diligence, research, structuring, and relationship development as it would be to a fund as it is to a domestic opportunity that we do directly. It's effectively the same process done by the same team.

Steven Sassine

That makes sense. Done again, team.

Thanks, Todd, and thanks, DG. Thank you.

Todd Barlow

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, to ask a question via the phones, please press star one.

Your next question comes from Esther Holloway from Morningstar. Please go ahead.

Esther Holloway

Oh, hi. Good morning.

Thank you for taking my question. My peer there at Morgans had some pretty similar ones, I'll try to go off the cuff.

Franking credit balance, on slide 7, you mentioned that the franking credits can be attached to distributions from offshore investments. I recall you mentioned that this applies where the investments are with similar tax systems to Australia in locations.

Which geographies are these most exposed to, these offshore investments, and which are you trying to sort of grow coverage in?

David Grbin

Most of the new commitments that we've made in the global private partnerships are in North America,

Esther Holloway

so

David Grbin

that bulk of it, a little bit in Europe, but yeah, it's largely North America.

Esther Holloway

Okay. Is the strategy that enables greater sort of drawdown on that substantial franking credit balance, is that working as expected?

David Grbin

It's early days yet, but the concept is quite simple. We'll earn offshore income.

That offshore income, when we bring it back to Australia, is already been subject to tax overseas, it doesn't get double taxed in Australia. When we go to pass that on to shareholders, we can then attach the franking credits that we've already built up over time to that dividend that we pay to our shareholders.

It is just that neat way of utilizing that bank of franking credits that otherwise, if we'd invested in Australia, as Todd said, we would just continue to just keep building it up and shareholders would never get the benefit of it.

Esther Holloway

Great. Thank you.

On private credit, obviously the spotlight has been on private credit and its risks lately, and I note that Soul Patts doesn't have a large exposure to real estate and no SaaS businesses offshore. I think that's an important context, but has this sort of given any light to sort of improving your due diligence process, or are you pretty happy with your strategy as it is?

Todd Barlow

Thanks. We've actually got quite a few questions coming in, written questions about that, maybe I'll spend a bit of time on how we view private credit because there's lots of headlines around it.

I think what we're seeing are some potential problems in the asset class because a lot of money has flowed in very quickly to global managers who have to then go and deploy it. If I'm a really, really large private credit manager and getting money thrown at me, I need to go and find ways to deploy it really quickly.

That would tend to mean that they are sharpening the prices, the risk spreads are contracting. It also means that their diligence might be a little bit looser.

It also means that the terms and the structuring of that loan is poorer than it should be. It also means that it's going to the areas that have the most demand for the product.

In Australia, what does that mean? Over half of the private credit lending in Australia is to real estate, particularly to real estate development.

In the US, a lot of that is to sponsor-led private equity loans, which are highly levered loans to leveraged buyouts. In the last few years, a lot of those leveraged buyouts were SaaS companies, which are now, of course, under threat by AI.

Fortunately for us, we have never been in real estate. It's not something that we wanted to do from the outset.

We felt that Australia was a bit of a crowded space anyway. What we wanted to focus on was a derivation of what we already do, which is we invest in equities in good-quality businesses.

From time to time, we come across opportunities where that person whose business we like doesn't want to raise equity. For example, they might think that their share price is too low and they want to bridge themselves to a point where they can raise equity at higher prices, and for whatever reason, they can't access bank debt.

We come up with a structured solution. The way that we see this asset class is rather than it being risky, we see it as a defensive asset class because all of the equity that sits behind us in terms of ranking is our buffer, it's our margin of safety.

If something goes wrong, the equity gets chewed up very quickly and the debt stack is preserved. When we think about the issues that are emerging in the sector, sure there has been some loose practices, but the equity is far more exposed in those industries than we are as debt.

For us, it's about being selective. We pick the right companies, we pick the right asset classes, we pick the right instruments, we do the diligence, we structure effectively, and we price appropriately.

I think that we're very confident with our book, and also we're very confident with the managers that we're partnering with globally.

Esther Holloway

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions from the analysts on the line at this time.

I'll now hand back to Courtney Howe for any written questions on the webcast.

Courtney Howe

Thank you, Harmony. We have quite a number of written questions that have come through.

A couple more analysts are in the written Q&A, I will start with Simon Fitzgerald from Jefferies. He's asking, "Todd, after the Goodman transaction, Soul Patts retains interests in manufacturing assets and development land.

How should investors think about the embedded value creation opportunity that is still remaining within those assets?"

Todd Barlow

There's about $400 million of total real estate that came across from Brickworks that was not sold to Goodman. A bit over half of that is in the manufacturing trust, which houses a lot of the operating assets that Brickworks had.

Now there is some redevelopment opportunity as we've been consolidating sites. We open up the ability to redevelop some of the assets in that portfolio, but generally speaking, it's a stabilized asset and the opportunity is more limited.

The other part of that portfolio, just under $200 million, is across a number of surplus assets that have real development opportunities. The big one is in Victoria's Craigieburn, and in the US, we have the Mid-Atlantic sites, both of which we think have good upside from rezoning.

Courtney Howe

Thank you. Another analyst, Ryan McCourty from MST Financial: "Credit versus fixed income.

You spoke about the running yield of fixed income above equity market returns. Could you quantify what you see forward running fixed income yield is?

You mentioned a fair bit of committed capital. Do you have a timeframe for that deployment?

Should we expect fixed income to remain a significant percentage of overall assets?"

Todd Barlow

The running yield on our current fixed income book is about 150 basis points above the RBA cash rate. Now we're seeing that rate obviously come up a lot, and there's expectations that there'll be two or three rate rises imminently.

So 150 above is a short-duration book. Now there might be a time where we actually chase a little bit more duration and a little bit more yield, but of course, you're taking a little bit more risk on future rates at that point.

Right now, it's managed a lot more like cash, but extracting a decent returns out of it. The second part of the question was in terms of committed capital.

There's $2 billion of further commitments to global managers that are not yet drawn. We think that will be drawn over the next 2 to 3 years, but it's not perfect because in that time, there's also some stuff that will be returned to us, the allocations that we've previously made will receive distributions and repayments along the way.

Also some of the stuff that we've allocated to, we have liquidity in, it might be a short-term strategy that exists for a while and then we redeploy that somewhere else. Right now, as it stands, is $2 billion of commitments that we need to make over the next 2 to 3 years, but it may not be the full $2 billion.

Courtney Howe

Thank you. Next question: "A strong 13.5% return in private credit, but you noted you're targeting returns of 10% per annum.

Are you seeing opportunities worth the additional risk over and above fixed income running yield?"

Todd Barlow

As I touched on earlier, we are targeting low double-digit returns. When we get repaid more quickly, the IRR on that investment goes up because we get some big upfront origination fees, structuring fees, and occasionally we find some situations where we can be more innovative and clever and get some outsized returns.

Overall, we are certainly focused on going down the risk curve and getting stuff that is backed by a lot of assets or a really high-quality business that we really like. Through various mechanisms, we're able to extract a little bit more out of it, so that's why you see that 13.5% total return for the year versus a target that's much lower.

Courtney Howe

Then one on the dividend, maybe for you, David: "Given the proportionately higher percentage of assets going into income-returning products like fixed income and credit, can we expect the NCFI payout ratio to increase from the 73%, or is this dependent on market conditions?"

David Grbin

It is dependent on the market conditions, and we have a look continually what our forward outlook would be. That payout ratio has ranged from sort of early 70% to up around 90% over the past 6 or 7 years.

It's something that we watch carefully and we're very mindful of maintaining that 28-year track record of ever-increasing dividends, at this stage, we're comfortable where that sits.

Courtney Howe

Thank you. A couple of questions now on our offshore exposure.

A question here: "Are you likely to increase your exposure to global assets, and are there specific asset classes that we're looking at?"

Todd Barlow

I think we are largely set in terms of the partnerships that we intend to have and the allocations we intend to make. The exposure will increase as those commitments are drawn down, but in terms of making a lot more new commitments, I think that will slow quite a bit.

What we will see is co-investment opportunities, which are completely in our discretion, but through these partnerships, we do get shown some very good deal flow which are too large for the manager to be able to invest solely in their fund, they come to people like us to co-invest with them, and the economics on those tend to be very strong.

Courtney Howe

On the same topic of offshore managers: "At previous meetings, you stated you would be more transparent on managers that you're utilizing for private credit. With so much capital deployed in this area, can you give any more information on which partners you're choosing and the investments that shareholders are involved in?"

Todd Barlow

We need to balance transparency so people can see what we're investing in with a few things. One is just the level of detail that we can go into in a presentation like this.

Secondly, if we were to give you the names of the funds, they wouldn't really mean much to you anyway. These are not well-known global super-sized global managers.

These are discrete boutiques that we find that we think, and the evidence is, that those smaller boutique managers perform much better than the hyperscale managers. Thirdly, this is our IP.

We've gone through a very long and arduous process to build up the relationships with these people and to find them, and we need to respect the fact that they don't like being spoken about. Secondly, we don't necessarily want to give away our IP.

We need to think about how we cleverly give our shareholders the detail about what the strategies are, and I think there's more for us to come as this builds out. At the moment, $600 million; next year, it will certainly be a larger allocation.

We do want to build out how those funds are performing, what the strategies are, whilst also managing some of those other competing concerns.

Courtney Howe

Thank you. We are at time, but I think we might do another couple of minutes of written questions.

Todd Barlow

Happy to keep going. People can drop off if they need to.

Courtney Howe

Next question is on the listed companies portfolio: "What does a market neutral strategy mean?"

Todd Barlow

Market neutral is taking a long and a short position, and what we are trying to do there is to pick winners enables us to generate alpha, but takes away the market risk, the general market risk. What it does, it's a supplement to our long-only book, our equities book, but it gives us another source of returns that are uncorrelated to the way that the market as a whole moves.

This is us just trying to find and exploit the fact that we can generate alpha and pick the winners and also pick the losers and make money on both ends. This will be a very small strategy when compared to the size of the long book, but it's just another source of uncorrelated returns.

Courtney Howe

Thank you. A couple more on credit.

Simon Fitzgerald from Jefferies again: "Credit was highlighted as a major contributor to NCFI growth. Can you discuss current underwriting standards, expected returns on new vintages, and whether competitive intensity is affecting risk-adjusted opportunities?

Have your underwriting standards changed recently given some of the issues more broadly with collateral and defaults?"

Todd Barlow

Fortunately, there's nothing that we've seen in the environment that has caused us to think twice about what we're doing. We are not exposed to the areas where risks and cracks are emerging in the industry.

The other fortunate thing is the private credit that we do has very few competitors. There's not many people who are set up to be able to engineer the kind of flexible solutions that we do.

Therefore, we are not as exposed to the competitive pressures. If I was in the scale product, the stuff that everyone is allocating to, the stuff where there's term sheets that get passed around town and everyone's just bidding on them, then there would certainly be a reduction in the quality and terms that I'd be getting.

What we are seeing is no real change to what we've done in the past. The last year, we almost turned over the book entirely last year.

We had as many repayments back to us as we made new loans. The book is a fresh one, essentially, in terms of our direct loans.

We've got a billion dollars of newly written loans in the last 12 months, and our feeling is that those loans are no worse than the quality of what we've been doing for the last three or four years.

Courtney Howe

Thank you. A couple of questions on the emerging companies portfolio.

The first one is: "This portfolio has become increasingly more opaque. You've only called out NextDC and Tuas as investments.

Would you think about, in future, sharing a top 10 listed investments for this asset class?"

Todd Barlow

We're not trying to be opaque. It's just that you can see by the amount of activity that occurs across the portfolio that things are not as stable as they used to be.

There's a lot of good reasons for that. The market is changing, the market dynamics are changing, the market structure is changing, and the set-and-forget portfolios of the past, I think, are not something that we can be in.

We need to constantly think about technological change. We need to think about the fact that the risk-free rate has gone up significantly in recent times.

All of these things affect your portfolio and you need to constantly assess it. There are some big positions that we call out, they're more the sort of cornerstones of the portfolio, but everything else, it churns so much that to call them out would be of no utility because they might not be there in a few months.

That's not to say that we're constantly trading, but the book is churning a lot more than it used to.

Courtney Howe

Thank you. Just another one similar to that: "There's many small- and mid-caps being taken off the ASX into global private equity hands.

Has Soul Patts had a closer look at them before delisting, and can you say which global partner you are involved with for data center development?"

Todd Barlow

I touched just then on the market structure, and the reality is that a lot of the money in the Australian market is going into the large-cap names that are participants in the indices, and that's where a lot of the focus is and pushing up valuations. For a whole range of reasons, a lot of the smaller-cap stocks are being left behind because they don't get that passive flows from institutional money.

For that reason, there are a number of underpriced mid-cap stocks on the ASX that have been privatized, and we have a few in our book that are subject to a takeover. I think that that is an unfortunate consequence of the market structure.

It might be an opportunity for us. We can certainly look at taking stakes in those undervalued companies.

We could certainly look at being a participant to privatize those assets and get some good assets. Definitely that's why we have the emerging companies portfolio, is to identify exactly those types of opportunities.

I think there are a lot, and I don't know that the market structure is going to be corrected overnight, and unfortunately, in the meantime, it might see a lot of good companies leave the ASX.

Courtney Howe

Just on those targeted returns for offshore, we've got the 20% IRR for private companies and 10% for credit. I've got a question here: "Are those targeted returns inclusive of the ability to attach franking credits?"

Todd Barlow

No, they don't include franking credits in those numbers. It's a good point.

The way that we look at that is if we get a net 10% return from a credit fund offshore, that is to us the same as us getting a domestic 14% opportunity. 14% comes down to 10% after tax.

We think that it's another reason why we've been so excited about this offshore strategy.

Courtney Howe

Thank you. There are a couple more questions, but we did answer the highest priority one, the ones that we got the most of.

I think we will wrap the call there, and there'll be a recording of this webcast on our website in a couple of hours. Thank you very much, everyone, for joining.

Todd, is there any final comments from you?

Todd Barlow

I think that's great. Appreciate the interest and lots of questions.

Sorry we can't get to all of them, but hopefully we can answer them in time.

Courtney Howe

Thank you.