Thank you. Good evening, everyone.

On behalf of the management of Alembic Pharmaceuticals, I welcome you to this earnings conference call for the quarter ended 30th June 2026. Present here with me are Mr.

Pranav Amin, Managing Director, and Mr. G.

Krishnan, CFO. A few other members of the management have also joined the call.

I now hand the conference over to Mr. Pranav Amin.

Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Thank you, Isha. Good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss Alembic Pharmaceuticals' performance for Q1 FY27.

I will give you a brief perspective of the quarter and the performance across our businesses, key strategic developments, and our outlook for the balance of the year. Then Krishnan, our CFO, will take you through the financial performance in greater detail.

Q1 FY27 has been a strong start to the year with broad-based growth across all the businesses and continued execution on the strategic priorities that we outlined at the beginning of the year. The external environment continues to remain competitive with pricing pressure, regulatory expectations, and geopolitical uncertainties.

The quarter reinforces our belief that execution quality, portfolio choices, manufacturing capabilities, and launch discipline are increasingly becoming the key differentiators. During the quarter, consolidated revenue grew by 26% year-on-year, supported by growth across all our major businesses.

India branded business grew 7%, international generics grew 37%, and the API business grew 33%. Starting with the India branded business, growth was supported by continued strengthening of focus brands, specialty therapies, and the animal health division.

Animal health delivered a particularly strong quarter with 24% growth, while key therapies such as gynecology, gastrology, and ophthalmology continued to perform well. We are also seeing encouraging trends in field productivity and operating metrics.

Our strategic priorities for India business is anchored on building a robust chronic portfolio, generating high-quality prescriptions, deepening engagement with specialty physicians, and driving sharper, more disciplined commercial execution across the field force. With the appointment of Mr.

Ramesh Juneja as sales and marketing head for human health business, we have strengthened the execution leadership. These initiatives are likely to position the India branded business to accelerate towards market-level growth over the coming quarters.

Moving on to the international business, the standout feature for the quarter was the continued strength of the US generics business. US revenues grew 49% year-on-year, supported by volume growth, new launches, especially bosutinib, and improving utilization of our manufacturing assets.

Pricing pressure remains in the environment, but growth during the quarter was predominantly volume-driven. During the quarter, we launched seven products, filed four ANDAs, and received 10 approvals, further strengthening the launch platform for future growth.

Let me talk about the branded specialty business. The first 3 months were more of a soft launch, and we are encouraged This is the branded specialty business in the US I'm talking about.

The first 3 months were a soft launch, and we are encouraged by the good reception to both the product and its messaging. In parallel, we are adding new products to strengthen our women's health franchise.

As the US branded specialty business scales up over the next few quarters, we will see a positive contribution to profit, which should consequently drive a broader enhancement in consolidated margins. Coming to the ex-US markets, they performed very well, supported by growth across markets.

The API business also delivered a strong volume-led growth despite ongoing pressure in the market. Beyond the quarterly performance, we continued investing behind the long-term growth drivers of the company.

We advanced our pipeline through additional filings and approvals, progressed our peptide development program, expanded partnership-led opportunities, and continued building the US branded business platform. We also continued investments in manufacturing capabilities, debottlenecking initiatives, and capacity enhancement programs that will support future growth and improve operating leverage.

Turning to the outlook, the first quarter has provided us with greater visibility into the trajectory of the business, particularly the US generic segment. At the beginning of the year, we had indicated that the US generics could grow in the low to mid-teens.

Based on the performance and the trends we're seeing in Q1, the launch outlook, and current volume trends, we now expect the US business to grow mid to high teens in the year, subject to normal market conditions and continued execution. Growth guidance for the other businesses remains as indicated earlier.

As a result, we believe the overall growth outlook for the company can improve from the low double-digit range that we had discussed earlier, to closer to the mid-teen range for FY27. Importantly, this improved outlook is not being driven by any change in our investment agenda.

We will continue investing behind R&D, the US branded platform, manufacturing capabilities, and future growth opportunities while maintaining discipline on capital allocation and profitability. Overall, the quarter reinforces our confidence in the business, the quality of our growth platform, and our ability to deliver strong growth while continuing to invest for the future.

With that, let me hand over to our CFO, Krishnan.

Thank you, Pranav. Good evening, everyone.

Before I begin, I would like to mention that during this call, we may make certain forward-looking statements, and these statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause the actual results to differ materially. With that, let me take you through the financial performance for the quarter.

We had a strong quarter from both growth and profitability perspective. Revenue grew at 26% year-on-year to 2,150 crores, reflecting broad-based growth across businesses and continued momentum across the portfolio.

Importantly, profitability also improved despite continued investment behind our future growth platforms. Reported EBITDA grew at 21% year-on-year to 348 crores with EBITDA margin at 16%.

The performance reflects higher volumes, contribution from new launches, and better utilization of our manufacturing network, while also absorbing planned investments in R&D and the US branded platform. As planned, we continue to invest behind future growth opportunities, and our R&D expenditure during the quarter was at 186 crores, representing about 9% of revenue, driven by peptide development activities, exhibit batches, and higher regulatory filings and portfolio development initiatives.

These investments are aligned with our strategy of strengthening the pipeline and expanding our participation in complex and differentiated opportunities. We also continued investing in building the US branded platform.

While these investments have a near-term impact on profitability, they remain strategic in nature and are directed towards expanding market access, strengthening commercial capabilities, and building a scalable specialty franchise in the US. Profit before tax grew at 17% year-on-year to 223 crores, reflecting the strength of the underlying operating performance and better operating leverage across the business.

At PAT level, the quarter reflected a higher effective tax rate of about 22% compared with around 19% in the corresponding quarter previous year. As mentioned in our previous call, we migrated to the new tax regime, and consequently profit after tax grew at 12% year-on-year to 173 crore, underlining the resilience of the business performance.

To summarize, the quarter demonstrates three things. First, growth remains strong and broad-based with revenue growth of 26%.

Second, the business continues to deliver resilient profitability, factoring strategic investments as reflected in 21% EBITDA growth, 17% profit before tax growth, and 12% profit after tax growth. Third, we continue to invest meaningfully in R&D, manufacturing capabilities, and US branded platform, consistent with our growth strategy.

The improved FY27 outlook that Pranav discussed, that is closer to the mid-teen growth, is supported by stronger execution and operating performance, while our investment priorities and long-term strategy remain on track. With that, we can now open the floor for questions and answers.

Hi. Thank you for the opportunity, and congrats for a very good set of numbers.

My first question is on the US business. Pranav, you mentioned volume expansion as well as opportunities like bosutinib were the key drivers for the quarter.

Just wanted to confirm, you have 180-day marketing exclusivity on two strengths of bosutinib, right, which has helped the 1Q number?

Yes, that is correct. We have the exclusivity on the 100 and 500 mg.

Okay. Apart from that, any other meaningful launches which were added to US?

Because your, I think, US run rate for launches have picked up significantly in first quarter.

Actually Damayanti, what's happened is, as I've said, okay, let's take two parts of it, right? I think ex of bosutinib, also our business has grown over 20% in the US, closer to 25% we've grown.

That is predominantly due to the new launches. As you know with Alembic, what we do is we start picking up share.

New launches when I say pick up share, it's what we would have launched in Q4 as well as Q1. We had about six or seven seven launches in Q1 and some in Q4.

I think both of those put together have also added a little more momentum to the US sales going forward.

Okay. As you revised up the outlook for US sales in FY27, we can assume new launch momentum should continue in the coming quarters as well?

Yes, I think for the rest of the year, we should be launching another 15-odd products.

That's helpful. Then my second question is your investment towards the US branded portfolio where you have added another product.

What kind of investment you foresee for your efforts to really scale up this business? You mentioned this will be eventually contributing positively to the profitability part.

In your initial experience with Pivya, what kind of timeline we can assume when these products will start contributing positively to EBITDA? What could be the gestation period before we see benefits flowing in?

As I mentioned, it's a soft launch. The other two products are much smaller and we've just gotten into them.

Pivya also has been a soft launch. I think we will gradually start seeing a trend towards the second half, towards the end of the year.

I expect that this will start contributing positively next financial year onwards. As we move forward quarter-on-quarter, we will gradually see a reduction in the drag that this business is causing us, and my goal is that next year onwards, we should start seeing a positive contribution.

In terms of investment, if you can call out any amount or where you have invested, basically, the SG&A team or you need to invest in say building the marketing platforms, etc.?

There's no hardware investment at all. The only investment that we have is the field force and the marketing expenses that we have.

The product comes from a CMO, there's no manufacturing, there's no facility. It's only a pure-play branding exercise, and the expense that you see is only the marketing and branding and promotion costs.

Okay.

This cost will trend in line with how the top line picks up, right,

and accordingly? I think the revenue will scale up, it won't be linear, it'll be more like a J-curve.

I think initially, we will have investments for the first quarter. I think we've seen one full quarter where we've been investing.

Second quarter also we'll invest. I think gradually, we'll see the sales pick up towards the end of the year, and that's why I'm saying that we should hopefully try getting to breakeven as a trend towards the end of this year, and we'll see positive contribution next year.

Sure. My last question is, as you revised up your FY27 top-line numbers, how should we look at the EBITDA margin trajectory while these investments continue?

Krishnan, would you like to take the EBITDA question?

Thanks. Damayanti, the EBITDA margin will broadly reflect the operating leverage that we have seen in the first quarter.

If I look at the underlying business ex US branded business, we have seen operating leverage playing out. Like we guided in the first Q4 results last year, when we spoke in May, we said that there'll be good operating leverage that will play out on the core business, which will partially get offset by the US branded.

We hold on to that view at this point of time. We should see a similar trajectory of operating margin getting maintained at a overall level as we see operating leverage playing out.

US branded business, like Pranav mentioned, right, it should scale up as we progress in the subsequent quarters, which should build up the margin profile.

It's safer to assume margin should be in the high teens, right, towards high teens?

Yes.

Okay. Thank you for your response.

Sir, thank you for the opportunity. Multiple small questions.

Sir, is the Pivya cost in the base in the first quarter of '27 and we should now see similar levels going forward? How are we thinking?

Krishnan, you want to take that?

I'll take that. Yes, Q1 was the first full quarter of US branded business launch, and we should see margin profile should get better from here.

For the full year, if I have to remind in the previous call, we guided about 150 basis points of dilution in the margin for the full year, and we hold on to that view at this point of time. Obviously, in a ramp-up phase, you will have the first few quarters of higher impact, and then as the sales pick up, the margin impact should moderate.

We still hold on to that view.

In Q1, the impact on margins has been higher than this 150 bps, is what you're trying to allude?

Yeah.

Understood. Fair point.

On the base business in the US, you talked about 25%-plus kind of growth in the US business ex bosutinib. This implies that the base business is now upwards of $75 million, $76 million a quarter.

Is this the new base versus, let's say, $60 million, $65 million that we've been seeing in the past few quarters? Is this the new normal, new base that we should kind of think about?

Chirag, I would like it to be the new normal, but I think as you see, we have to balance that out with the erosion that we see and if we may lose some share. I'm confident that the momentum that we have going forward, we should be able to continue some of it.

Let's see how much price erosion we see for the next few quarters, but at least for the next quarter or two, I see that this trend should continue.

Understood. Fair point.

On bosutinib, have we seen full-quarter sales impact come through in the first quarter or?

No, I think so one thing about bosutinib is the volumes of bosutinib are quite small, and it's because the indication is a small indication, while the pricing is good. We saw in the quarter only 1 month of sales.

It was launched only in June, we only had 1 month of sales.

Understood. How are you thinking about sustainability of this revenue, Pranav, going forward beyond the exclusivity period?

I think it's tough to say. I do know that because it's such a low-volume product, I can't really foresee what's going to happen after a few months.

I know this exclusivity is there till November. You'll see Q2 and part of Q3, you will hopefully have some sales from bosutinib.

Over and above that, I think if there is competition, it'll be quite drastic because the volumes are very small.

Any sense on the competition, incremental competition?

As of now, no. I think the other incumbent who's got the other strength may come in, and we may get for the strength that we don't have.

I think that's what may happen. As of now, I'm not seeing anybody else in the market so far.

For some time to come, this can be a two-player market, is how you're thinking about it?

Till November is what I know for sure. I can't really guide about beyond that.

Understood. Fair point.

The other bit is on the gross margins. With having bosutinib, gross margins are flatish quarter-on-quarter at least.

Can you give us a sense, this is with the new currency rate, etc., just what is happening over here? I understand that there's a Pivya cost as well in this one, but I was looking at the gross margin more so.

Can I take this, Pranav?

Please.

See, gross margins quarter-on-quarter was pretty much similar. If you remember, we had a guidance of about 70% to 75% range for gross margins, and it sits well within that.

There have been a couple of factors which has influenced the gross margin. One is, of course, with bit of the Middle East issue going on, we had seen solvent prices going up.

That has had a bit of impact. Second is, of course, the product mix itself has played a part.

Third is, we had taken a preventive debottlenecking maintenance upgrade in one of our facilities, especially the ophthal line, and that has now expanded the capacity without any incremental capex investment. That shutdown was taken in the first quarter, which has resulted in a bit of underabsorption in the cost.

These are the two, three factors where you would see the gross margins a bit diluted, but otherwise, it's still within the range that we had guided earlier, and we are comfortable with that.

Understood. Can I ask more questions?

I have a few.

Sure. Go ahead.

Sure. Animal business now is bigger than acute.

This has grown very well for us. How long can we keep continuing to grow in this 15%, 20% zone?

Incrementally, this should help report overall the India business as the acute becomes smaller and smaller. Just how are you thinking about this piece?

I know you've guided towards better performance going forward, but just on the animal piece, how are we thinking?

Krishnan, you want to take that?

Yeah. Just to correct, animal health is about 22% of our overall revenue in the India business, and the acute is about 37%, right?

It's the other way. Yes, there has been good growth in the animal health.

We continue to grow at about 20%-plus. We see that it's a combination of two, three factors again.

Expansion within the existing portfolio that we have got in the animal health, which is around farm animals and poultry, and we see that as continuing the momentum, along with the field force driving better volumes, better productivity, focus on operational efficiency measures. That's continuing to help us build the momentum in animal health.

Understood. Helpful.

Just the last bit on the non-US global exports piece. For the past few quarters, we've been in this $40 million, $40 million kind of range.

Past couple of quarters actually, prior to that, we were in this 45 zone. Just your sense of is this a linear thing?

The ex-US business has been a strong business for us if you see over the last 5 years. I think just maybe there may be some quarterly-to-quarterly variance because this is mainly a B2B business, right?

There may be some quarterly-to-quarterly variance in terms of supplies, but at the end of the year, we stick with our guidance. I think about 15-odd percent or so of what I'd guided for that the business will grow, and I think we're quite confident about that.

This is in USD terms, Pranav?

This is in INR terms.

Fair. Thank you, sir.

I'm done

with questions. Thanks.

Sir. Thanks for taking my question.

Sir, on the India business, you pointed to some management changes which you have implemented. While on the animal health side, we continue to do well, when do you see our growth picking up on the human formulations business in India?

It's a good question, Rahul. I think, yes, two separate things.

For the animal business, we've left it as is. I think that is going on.

On the human health side, we've got Ramesh Juneja, who's joined us recently, and who's working at it. I think it'll take a couple of quarters because it's a work in progress.

I think we're going grassroot down to each territory, the nonperforming territories, what is happening, what were the new launches. I think let's wait for a quarter or two to start seeing, but I think we will start seeing some positive trends in another quarter or two.

Sure, sir. Within the acute segment, have we started seeing some sort of a growth pickup for our acute portfolio?

Whatever happened with respect to Azithral during COVID, post COVID, etc., is that largely in the base now as far as the acute segment is concerned?

Yeah. Krishnan, you want to take that?

Yeah.

Yes, Rahul. Yes, we are seeing that trajectory improving, especially on Azithral.

Also in the overall portfolio of acute around cough and cold, as well as we're seeing the traction building up.

Sir. Sure.

Coming back to margins for FY27, at one point in time, you indicated that the operating leverage on the base business would get offset by the investments on the US branded side. At another point in call, you referred to high-teens margins as well.

I am a bit confused in terms of what's our margin guidance for FY27.

Sure. See, the the margin guidance guidance is intact in the sense that let me reiterate the guidance again.

We did about 16% margins in FY26, and we believe that the margins the underlying core margins will improve. My comment was about the core margin improving to high teens, and which will partially get offset by the margin margin dilution from US branded business, which we said will be about 150 basis points.

Right, so that remains intact, and we're seeing the operating leverage playing out in the first quarter as well on the core business, and which we believe will continue to happen in the rest of the year rest of the quarters as well, as we see better utilization and good volume-driven growth across US and ex-US markets. Does that clarify, Rahul?

Sure, sir. Versus FY26 levels, would we stay largely flat on a full-year basis?

If that is the case, then ideally, this year we are also benefiting from the FTF exclusivity on bosutinib, while the operating leverage on the base facilities was anyways playing out. Are you talking about reported margins being flat in FY27?

If that is the case, then as I said, ideally bosutinib should have helped us to significantly improve margins this year.

Yes, and we're also seeing the gross margins a bit diluted in the first half relative to the last year, right? Overall, the margin profile, you're right, in the sense that it should improve slightly better than the last year.

We are trying to see how the US branded business will play out in the rest of the quarters as we see the ramp-up, right? It is about whether we're breaking even in quarter four or the next year first quarter, and it depends on where we land, whether we're better than the previous year or we're flattish, it may be a few percentage points here and there and a few quarter here and there.

Sure, sir. The last

Directionally, we are in the trajectory of better operating leverage. That's clearly visible for us.

Sure, sir. On the branded business, while we obviously are scaling up Pivya, apart from Pivya also, are we looking at any other opportunities for the US branded portfolio?

Yeah. We are constantly searching for them.

There's two other smaller ones which we've already added. They also go with the same therapy in terms of doctors who are treating UTIs.

That is something that we're going to add. We've just recently licensed them, so that will also go along with that.

We're scouting for new opportunities as well, but right now, we want to take these three products and get them off the ground.

Sure, Pranav. These would be, let's say, competing in the same women's UTI market in US like Pivya?

No, not competing. They would be complementing Pivya.

That's what he meant. Thank you.

That's it from my side. Thanks.

Thanks for the opportunity. Sir, what will be the outlook on the API segment?

The API segment has been performing well for us. I think at the beginning of the year, we had given a guidance that it'll grow over 10 about 10% plus minus.

Seeing the trend, I think Q1 has been quite healthy. Moving forward, I think at the end of the year, we will be above that 10 10% level, around the 10% level that we had mentioned.

I think we'll continue doing the next couple of quarters as well.

Okay. In your India business, excluding the vet business, we are a bit underperforming the market.

Like you mentioned that there were some changes in the management and it will take some time to get back on track. For full year, what will be the guidance on the specialty and the acute segment or as a whole domestic business piece if you can explain that?

I'll just give a brief, and then I'll get Krishnan on. I think so in the India business, as you said, yes, animal is doing well, let's keep that aside.

In the human health side, we've got a new leader, Ramesh Juneja, who's heading the team now. Within that segment, if you see, there are some which we're still doing quite well, I think gastroenterology, ophthalmics, and cardio-diabito are doing well for us.

I think those are growing in double digits anyway. It's few of the acute and some of the other divisions which are dragging the business down.

I think our goal is to rectify that and see how we're going and get it up. I think, as I said earlier to a question earlier, that we should start seeing some positive trend in the next couple of quarters.

Krishnan, you want to take it? Yeah.

Yes,

in terms of guidance for the full year, for the whole of India business, what we said is we'll be aligned close to the market growth, and maybe a few percentages here and there, but directionally, we should be more aligned to the market growth.

You mean to say it should be in the low double-digit sort of growth this year? It

should be in the range of high single digit, but we will bridge the gap, last year the gap was much visible around market growth versus what we had seen. We believe that this year, we should be able to bridge the gap and be closely aligned to the market growth.

Okay. Again on this US business, while this year what you call the contribution of the bosutinib will be helping to deliver a higher growth.

In FY28, when the CGT will not be there, and there will be a price erosion also in the existing portfolio, do you see that we'll still be able to do a high single-digit growth, led by any new launches or you feel that probably it would be more or less flattish over FY27?

I think the main thing for the US business to grow, you have to have meaningful launches coming up. We believe we have a decent pipeline to continue with that.

I think even ex of bosutinib, as I mentioned, actually the start of the year, I had mentioned that the US will grow by about 10% to 15%. We've just changed the guidance, it'll go higher because of bosutinib and the momentum we're seeing in the new launches.

For the second half of the year, we are for the next 9 months of the year, we're seeing about 15 more launches that we will do, and even next year, we will see a similar number of launches. I think the new launches will continue, and that'll help offset the erosion.

As regards bosutinib, yes, I don't see that opportunity over 6 months, but what will happen is gradually, you will see the branded bit also starting to contribute next year onwards. You'll have the new launches as well as the branded business starting to contribute towards the growth going forward.

You expect that FY28 over FY27 also, there will be a growth, including?

Yeah. That's our goal.

I think we'll get a better idea in the next couple of months to see how the branded pans out.

Okay. The growth guidance which you're giving in the US business, that growth guidance is in the INR terms, right?

Yes. Yes.

Okay. Thank you.

That's it from my side.

Am I audible? Thank you so much for the opportunity.

My question is that ex-US continues to deliver healthy double-digit growth. Which geographies are contributing the most today, and where do you see the largest incremental opportunity over the next 2 to 3 years?

Okay. I'm not sure if I heard all your questions, but you're talking about the ROW business.

Yes, the ROW business has been consistently growing for us, and we've been opening up new territories as well. I think we've opened up some Latin American territories.

Moving forward, as you've seen from the releases, we're doing a JV in Saudi Arabia, we're doing in Canada. There's a lot of other opportunities we see in the ROW business.

I expect the ROW business over the next 3 to 4 years will continue growing well. In terms of opportunities, we're seeing it across the board.

I think it really depends. I think some of them are B2B opportunities where we work with partners, and some are B2C, the newer ones where we're going directly in the market.

Okay. Got it.

Thank you.

Hi. If you could just quantify the US sales in USD million for the quarter?

We had reported about 49% year-on-year growth in rupee terms. Directionally, we don't intend to break up the rupee depreciation part because that is going to support us on the pricing, right?

It is not right for us to break it down. Purely for the purpose of giving a number, you can take out the currency impact of about 10% year-on-year, right?

The underlying constant currency growth is about 38%, 37%, 38%.

38%. All right, thank you.

The way you should see is the total reported growth because rupee depreciation is going to help us in supporting the pricing.

Okay.

Thank you for the opportunity. My first question is on the domestic business.

In our opening remarks, we mentioned that we want to focus on increasing the chronic segment. If you can just quantify what is the current chronic segment and where do we envisage to take up this chronic segment in next 2 to 3 years?

Yeah. Can you take that, Krishnan?

Yeah.

See, the specialty business is roughly about close to about 60% of our total revenue. I'm talking about quarter one numbers.

When you look at the breakup of this, we are very closely aligned to the market growth on gyne, gastro, and ophthal therapies. The way we are looking at is in terms of driving the growth trajectory is a combination of two, three aspects.

First is about increasing the quality of prescriptions that we have got from the practitioners, and that is more about how you are driving the operational execution, focusing on the initiatives around consolidating the prescriber base, and improving the quality of prescriptions. Second is increasing the field productivity, which is again an operating lever, essentially the point boils down to effective operational execution across these therapy areas.

That's that, and with Ramesh Juneja joining in, I think we have expanded the leadership bandwidth to focus more on this execution front. Does that help?

It does help. My second question is on the EBITDA margin again.

We said that EBITDA margin in the core business has improved to high teens, but it's been diluted by 150 bps because of the marketing in the branded business. Can we take 18%, 19% kind of EBITDA margin for FY28 as this operational leverage in the branded business will play out?

See, FY28 is, we will guide for FY28 when we get there. Directionally, I would like to say that the operating leverage will in the core business will play out.

Like Pranav mentioned, the the the US business US branded business is is expected to scale up in the next few quarters, and that should contribute to, profit. Today it is diluting the margins, and if that starts contributing to the profit, then it should as well expand the overall margin profile, right?

Exact numbers, I think we will guide when we get there.

Okay. My third question is on the ROW side.

We guided for 15% growth in INR terms, but historically, if we see, we have always grown largely closer to 20% growth. Are we underguiding it or can we expect to surpass this 15% growth?

Any outlook there?

Listen, I think when we give a guidance, we want to give a guidance that we are 100% can achieve, so that's one thing. Number two is you have to understand that next year also was on a high base.

Let's see how this year goes.

Okay. Thanks, those were my questions.

Sir, thank you for the follow-up. Sir, what is happening with depreciation?

There is a sharp increase.

Depreciation is actually the intangible assets that we acquired driven by the US branded business expansion, the product acquisitions that we did. That is getting amortized over the life of the asset, I think around seven, seven or eight years is what we have considered, so that's giving the depreciation.

Year-on-year it got capitalized in quarter four, right, you would see the higher depreciation levels year-on-year like that. Of course, we've added about 400 crores of capex in the last year, so that also will add on to the depreciation.

What is the absolute amount of amortization and the intangible asset?

I don't have the exact number, we can touch base offline.

Does the quarter-on-quarter, large part of the quarter-on-quarter shift be explained by the amortization?

Not fully. We have invested in capex as well, right, so that also will have an implication.

Around 70%, 75% of that increase would be due to intangibles.

Understood, sir. Thank you, sir.

Thanks for the opportunity again. One question on the interest cost also, that has also gone up, compared to the previous quarters.

If you can give us the gross debt figure, as on June compared to the March levels, and what is the outlook for the interest cost for the remaining part of the year?

We are at around 1,600 crores of gross debt. Two things that have happened.

One is while the debt levels have a bit higher than the March numbers, it is purely towards additional receivables that has increased because of higher sales, it should unwind as we progress. Second is it's a combination of increase in debt, but reduction in interest rates, so that's the net impact that you're seeing in the finance cost.

To your second question about how this will progress during the rest of the year, I think what we guided is at the beginning of the year that this working capital should get optimized as we progress, and the increase is because of higher sales and the receivables, which should unwind as we progress during the year. We should be in a position to reduce the debt levels by a meaningful amount.

Sorry, sir, come again. You said the working capital will be at the similar levels?

Working capital, see, the increase in debt compared to March is because of higher working capital driven by higher receivables during the quarter, that is coming from higher sales. Typically, this receivable should unwind in the next quarter and the following quarter.

As we progress during the quarter two and quarter three, we should see this debt levels moderating.

By how much level if you can quantify that?

At the minimum, we should go back to the March levels, and our intention is to scale it down further so that we are able to maintain it at a reasonable level of close to an 1x of EBITDA.

Sir, we should expect that the interest cost should also come down in the subsequent quarters?

Yeah.

Okay. All right.

Thank you, sir.

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