HealthCare Global Enterprises Ltd.

HealthCare Global Enterprises Ltd.

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Q4 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptMay 20, 2026

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Healthcare Global Enterprises Limited earnings conference call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes.

Should you need assistance during this conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero on your touchtone phone. I now hand the conference over to Mr.

Anoop Poojari from CDR India. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Anoop Poojari

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on Healthcare Global Enterprises Q4 and FY26 earnings conference call.

We have with us Dr. Manish Mattoo, Executive Director and CEO of the company, and Mr.

Ravi Gothwal, Head of Investor Relations. We'd like to begin the call with opening remarks from Manish, following which we'll have the forum open for an interactive question-and-answer session.

Before we start, I would like to point out that some statements made in today's call may be forward-looking in nature, and a disclaimer to this effect has been included in the earnings presentation shared with you earlier. I would now like to invite Manish to make his opening remarks.

Manish Mattoo

Thank you, Anoop. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today.

I hope you've had the opportunity to review the results presentation for the fourth quarter and full year ended March 2026. FY26 has been an important year for HCG.

It was a year in which we strengthened the core of our oncology platform, sharpened our strategic focus, improved the resilience of our operating model, and took several steps to position the company for its next phase of profitable growth. Particularly, a couple of things that I would like to share: FY26 was a year of profitable, broad-based growth.

Quality of growth improved, supported by higher volumes, better realization discipline, and ongoing payor mix optimization. We sharpened our focus on oncology, strengthened the balance sheet, and are deploying capital into higher-return buckets.

FY27 growth levers are also visible through our planned initiatives. Before we get into the update on financial performance, I would like to take a minute and highlight a few milestones achieved during this quarter and FY26.

First, we commenced operations at our North Bangalore facility. This is a strategically important addition in one of HCG's core markets and strengthens our presence in the rapidly growing northern corridor of Bangalore.

The facility has been designed as a comprehensive oncology center with capabilities across medical, surgical, and radiation oncology, nuclear medicine, PET-CT imaging, and BMT. It also brings MR Linac technology to the Bangalore market, creating a clear clinical and technology-led differentiation for HCG.

Second, HCG's clinical differentiation continues to be reflected in the complexity and uniqueness of cases managed across its network. During the year, our teams delivered several highly specialized interventions, underscoring the depth of our multidisciplinary capabilities and our innovation-led approach to oncology care.

These included a rare robotic-assisted endoscopic urological procedure, which was subsequently published in an international journal; the management of complex dual primary malignancy, including a case involving base of tongue cancer followed by aggressive metastatic prostate cancer, where discordance between pathology markers and clinical findings made the diagnosis particularly challenging; and an ultra-personalized immunoradiation strategy for a centenarian patient with advanced cancer, in which the team combined immunotherapy with pulsed radiotherapy and achieved meaningful tumor regression despite the patient's age and clinical complexity. In addition, advanced approaches such as cytoreductive surgery with HIPEC continued to be deployed across the network for complex ovarian cancer cases, further reinforcing HCG's ability to manage highly specialized oncology interventions through coordinated multidisciplinary care.

These examples are not isolated successes. They reflect the culture of clinical excellence and scientific thinking embedded within HCG.

Increasingly, our ability to combine specialized expertise, tumor-board-led care, advanced technology, and personalized treatment approaches are helping us manage high-acuity, high-complexity cases that strengthen both patient outcomes and HCG's position as a reference oncology platform. Third, we have further strengthened the management team.

I am pleased to welcome Sanjeev Kumar Saxena as Chief Financial Officer and Ravi Gothwal as Head of Investor Relations. Both bring with them relevant experience in healthcare services and will add depth to our finance, capital allocation, and stakeholder engagement capabilities.

Ravi is present with us on the call today, and Sanjeev will be joining the team shortly at the end of this month. With these appointments and with the regional and other corporate leadership additions which we made throughout the year, we now have a stronger execution engine to support the next phase of growth.

Fourth, we successfully completed the rights issue of ₹425 crore. The strong response from shareholders reflects our continued confidence in HCG's strategy and long-term opportunity.

I would like to thank all our shareholders for their support. The capital raise has strengthened our financial foundation and gives us greater flexibility to invest behind our long-term priorities, including capacity expansion, clinical infrastructure upgrades, technology investments, and selective growth opportunities, while continuing to maintain a disciplined, returns-focused approach.

This also positions us well for any in-organic expansion in the future. Finally, we have taken a strategic decision to sharpen our focus on oncology.

In line with this, the board has approved the sale of Milann, our fertility business, to Inviga Healthcare Fund. The transaction was signed yesterday and is expected to close within Q1 of FY27.

The transaction values Milann at an enterprise valuation of ₹63 crore. The equity consideration for 100% of the business including certain transition services support is ₹37.6 crore, of which 75% will be received upfront at closing and the balance 25% over 18 months.

We believe this is consistent with our stated strategy of focusing management bandwidth and capital on HCG's core oncology platform. I will be happy to address any questions on this transaction during our Q&A session.

Alongside clinical capability, we are also strengthening the digital layer of the business. Our objective is to improve the quality of patient acquisition, strengthen conversion, enhance patient experience, and reduce dependence on external channels over time.

Digital is increasingly becoming an important enabler for HCG, particularly in urban and semi-urban catchments where patients and families actively seek credible clinical information before deciding where to initiate treatment. By strengthening owned channels, improving campaign efficiency, and building a more seamless patient journey, we are working to convert the trust created by our clinical brand into high-quality volumes across the network.

Turning now to our financial performance. For Q4 FY26, HCG delivered revenues of ₹652 crore, reflecting 11.3% year-on-year growth.

For the full year FY26, revenues stood at ₹2,545 crore, representing 15% year-on-year growth. Excluding the fertility business, full-year revenues grew 15%, supported by 12% growth in patient volumes and a 3% improvement in average revenue per patient.

This growth reflects the strength of our distributed oncology network. We saw healthy patient inflows across regions, better utilization in several centers, and continued progression of hospitals into higher revenue cohorts.

Importantly, the growth has been broad-based rather than dependent on a single center or cluster, which reinforces the scalability and resilience of the platform. The South cluster contributed approximately 39% of FY26 revenues and grew about 13% for the full year.

Growth was supported by continued momentum across Tier 2 centers and steady performance in key markets. Q4 growth was moderated by softer medical value travel and intentional paring down of low-margin business.

However, the cluster remains well-positioned with the launch of North Bangalore, planned bed additions at the Bangalore COE, and planned initiatives to medical value tourism. The West cluster remained our largest revenue contributor, accounting for approximately 45% of FY26 revenues, and grew at about 14% for the full year.

Performance was led by strong patient inflows across Gujarat and Maharashtra, capacity expansion in Ahmedabad, clinician additions, and focused commercial initiatives. The East cluster contributed approximately 11% of FY26 revenues and grew at about 11% for the full year.

Cuttack and Ranchi continue to perform well, while Kolkata is expected to benefit from ongoing clinician onboarding. The cluster offers meaningful growth potential as utilization improves, clinical team in Kolkata ramps up, and the planned Cuttack expansion progresses over time.

Our international business in Kenya, while still a smaller part of the portfolio, delivered strong growth over the year. Revenue grew 39% year-on-year for Q4 and 71% for the full financial year '26, supported by ramp-up in radiation oncology, PET services, and stronger patient inflows.

From a profitability perspective, FY26 reflects the benefits of scale, maturing centers, and improving network productivity. Adjusted EBITDA for Q4 FY26 stood at ₹125 crore, up 17% year-on-year, with margins expanding by 90 bps to 19.2%.

For the full year, adjusted EBITDA stood at ₹471.1 crore, also up 19% year-on-year, with margins improving by 70 bps to 18.5%. This margin improvement driven by operating leverage, better utilization, throughput optimization, and disciplined cost management.

Our pre-tax ROCE improved to 14%, supported by higher utilization, center maturity, and disciplined capital allocation. We continue to believe that as more centers move into higher revenue buckets and incremental growth is generated from existing infrastructure, HCG has a clear pathway to improving both margins and return over time.

On the balance sheet, the rights issue and sustained cash generation have strengthened our financial position. FY26 operating cash flow conversion remained healthy at 75%, and net debt reduced meaningfully to 1.4 times during the year.

This gives us the ability to pursue growth with greater flexibility while remaining prudent on leverage and capital allocation. Looking ahead, our priorities remain clear.

We will continue to optimize the existing network by improving utilization, strengthening referral ecosystems, enhancing patient throughput, and deepening high-complexity clinical programs. On the expansion front, our near-term emphasis is on brownfield opportunities in high-potential centers where incremental capital can be deployed with faster ramp-up and better returns.

Selective greenfield additions will be pursued where the market opportunity, clinical need, and strategic fit are compelling. The launch of North Bangalore and Whitefield, the planned Cuttack expansion, and other identified brownfield additions across the network are all consistent with this approach.

With that, I will conclude my opening remarks and request the moderator to open the floor for questions. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin with a question-and-answer session.

Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star then one on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two.

Participants, you are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles.

We will take the first question from the line of Himanshu Binani from Anand Rathi. Please go ahead.

Himanshu Binani

Sir. Hi.

Thank you for taking my question, and congratulations [for the good set of numbers?] .

Operator

Sorry to interrupt in between, Himanshu, your voice is not audible. Please use your handset mode and speak.

Himanshu Binani

Hello, this is fine now?

Operator

Yes, sir, audible. Thank you.

Yeah.

Himanshu Binani

Thank you for taking my questions and congratulations for a good set of numbers, sir. My first question was regarding the revenue growth.

Given Q4 is typically a seasonally strong quarter for the business, how one should actually interpret the 11% revenue growth reported during this quarter?

Manish Mattoo

Thanks, Himanshu, for the question. You're right, Q4 is typically a, strong quarter, stronger quarter than other quarters.

See, but you have to see it in two aspects. One is for the year, the revenue growth has been 15%, as per our estimates.

In Q4, there were two factors. One was there was a conscious paring down of low-margin business.

I think we've been stating it for a couple of months now, and we've taken measures to bring down the low-margin business, which has impacted the revenue growth. There was also a factor of the Middle East conflict impacting the medical value travel to our West and South clusters, which additionally impacted the revenue growth.

However, both these factors are being worked upon. Vinayak who has joined our international as head of international sales, and the rest of the team are working aggressively to bring back the international business to the earlier estimates.

Also this transition from low margin to high margin will be actually normalized over the next couple of months, and in the medium term, our estimate remains close to the 15% growth projections that we had given earlier.

Operator

Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Abdulkader Puranwala.

Please go ahead.

Abdulkader Puranwala

Thank you for the opportunity. My first question is with regards to this shifting of the Whitefield project.

Can you help us understand what exactly we meant about an alternate location? Subsequent to that, when you're talking about adding 200 beds at these five locations, can you help us quantify exactly how much beds are we adding across each of these cities?

Manish Mattoo

Thanks, Abdul. To your first question, the Whitefield existing infra that we have is slightly smaller as per our specs.

Whitefield is a much bigger market, and we feel there is going to be enormous [growth in?] that market, and we want to be prepared for that from an infrastructure perspective.

Hence, we are looking at an asset which will provide us at least 120, 130 beds, and that's why there is this alternate location that we are seeking to realize the potential of that large market. That's one.

As far as brownfield expansion are concerned, I'll give you center-wise break-up: in Cuttack, we are adding 75 beds; in Ranchi, we are adding 30 beds; in Vizag, we are adding 50 beds; and in Bhavnagar, we are adding about 20 beds. That put together is close to about 200 beds over the next 12 to 18 months.

Abdulkader Puranwala

Understood, sir. Sir, in terms of the fundraise, and now we are also divesting Milann centers, sir, going ahead, how should we look at the debt part of the business?

Is there any target internally in terms of net debt to EBITDA or net debt to equity that we are immediately targeting for the next one or two years considering we are also planning to add some beds here?

Manish Mattoo

The net debt to EBITDA ratio has come down favorably. Earlier it was 2.2, 2.3, it's come down to 1.4 as of today, and gives us enough headroom to invest in capacity addition, expansion, brownfield, technology additions and all.

We will continue to be mindful of that ceiling. Internally, we've kept it at 2.5, and I think in the medium to long term, that's where it will be.

Abdulkader Puranwala

Got it. Just the last one, if I may.

Just among the four regions where we're operating, just directionally if you could help and understand that where is the scope you see for further margin expansion in terms of the delta which can be brought into for the next two to three years?

Manish Mattoo

I think we have identified opportunities for margin expansion across the clusters. Largely, I think it will come from West and East most, because South is a mature cluster with margins already 25% plus, but we see opportunities for margin expansion all across.

Abdulkader Puranwala

Okay. Okay.

Sir, just one more follow-up from my end. When we talk about a 15% kind of a growth expected for next year and subsequent to that, and if I look at your current occupancy at the Southern cluster, that's already slightly higher.

Would it be fair to assume that ahead, after Bangalore gets added, we will still have some headroom for new bed addition into this one?

Manish Mattoo

The growth will happen through multiple levers, not just occupancy enhancement. We have identified multiple levers for growth.

One is, of course, North Bangalore is going to be a big driver for growth. There will be Whitefield.

There is brownfield expansion that I already alluded to. Plus, there is work happening on clinical talent addition.

In the in Q4 alone, we've added about 23 oncologists to our network, and we'll see the growth coming from that addition in the subsequent quarters. There is also work happening on sales acceleration.

We are doubling our daycare centers. Currently, we have five; we are adding about eight to 10 daycare centers over the next 12 months across multiple markets.

There is also work happening on ORC outreach. Then, of course, on the cost side, there is opportunity on procurement, on leases that we are exploring.

I think collectively there are many levers that are played at play here which will help us expand margin meaningfully over the next year year.

Abdulkader Puranwala

Got it, sir. I have more questions, I'll get back in the queue.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Himanshu Binani from Anand Rathi.

Please go ahead.

Himanshu Binani

Hi, sir. Thank you for taking the question.

Sir, on the cluster-wise revenue we see, we have seen that the Western cluster has reported the highest revenue, while the utilization has been around 50% versus the consolidated 58% sort of utilization. Just wanted to understand what exactly the utilization you are talking about?

Is the occupancy or is the overall hospital equipments included?

Manish Mattoo

Center utilization is a slightly different metric from occupancy, Himanshu, and it factors in other metrics also, like the chemo beds utilization, the OT utilization. It's overall, I would say, a blended metric capturing the potential going forward.

You're right, in Ahmedabad, for example, at 50% center utilization, there is headroom for growth in a very rapidly expanding and a very important market for us.

Himanshu Binani

Okay. Okay.

Lastly from my side, if I actually look into slide number 18 on the ramp-up of the new facilities moving up the value chain both in terms of revenue and margins in FY26. Can you please elaborate which of the centers have actually moved from the lower bucket to the upper bucket, and ahead, which ones, as per the management, have the highest possibility of moving up the value chain going forward?

Manish Mattoo

Himanshu, as we had stated earlier also, we are for now refraining from giving center-wise details and all, and I would appreciate if you can stick to that.

Himanshu Binani

Sure, sir. Sure, sir.

Thank you.

Manish Mattoo

Suffice to say that both the buckets are growing as per our estimates and will continue to grow further.

Operator

Thank you, sir. We will take the next question from the line of Nitish Rege from Cyrus Capital.

Please go ahead.

Nitish Rege

Hello. Thank you for the opportunity.

Am I audible?

Operator

Sorry to interrupt in between, Nitish, you're not audible. Please use your handset mode and speak.

Nitish Rege

Is this better?

Operator

No, sir, you're still sounding a little low. Could you please use your handset mode and speak?

Nitish Rege

I'm on my handset. Is this better?

Operator

Please proceed.

Nitish Rege

Yeah. Sir, you mentioned that we're going to do selective greenfield expansion.

Any update on the greenfield expansion pipeline other than the two Bangalore facilities? Any geographies we have just particularly focused on for this expansion?

Manish Mattoo

Nitish, there are at least 10 to 12 cities that we are evaluating options in. Depending on market potential, location availability, talent pipeline availability, we will be finalizing few locations ever so often.

As of now, there are several examples I can give you between Pune, Surat, Coimbatore, Nellore, Lucknow, Jalandhar. There are several options that we are evaluating to finalize our greenfield options.

Nitish Rege

Okay. In terms of inorganic growth, are we in advanced talks with any target companies, any update on that front?

Manish Mattoo

There are options being evaluated currently also, but there are no major updates to be shared with the community right now.

Nitish Rege

Okay. Just how do you see the margin trajectory evolving?

Do you believe the company can do another 100 basis points improvement in EBITDA margin, let's say in FY27? What's our outlook on the shift in the payor mix?

Where do you think by what time will this optimize for us?

Manish Mattoo

This last couple of quarters, we've seen the payor mix move up favorably by 100 basis points. The margin expansion also, if you just take Q4, has expanded by about 90 basis points versus last Q4.

With the measures that we have taken and that we will continue to take, both on the quality of revenue side, and other things that I mentioned earlier, and on the cost side, this margin expansion projection is achievable, and we have demonstrated that over the last two quarters. I'm quite confident of delivering on that estimate that we had shared earlier.

Nitish Rege

Okay. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Nitin Agarwal from DAM Capital.

Please go ahead.

Nitin Agarwal

Thanks for taking my question. Manish, from your perspective, since the time you've taken over the business, if you can, sort of just let us know in terms of the way the business was being run prior to the promoter changeover and management change, where are the big opportunities that you see from a discontinuity perspective where we can create maximum amount of value for the business?

Where are the primary low-hanging fruits on this account that you would like to pursue as we go forward here?

Manish Mattoo

Thanks for your question. See, I think I don't want to comment on what was the earlier priority and all, but definitely growth was there.

Today, as we look at growth, we are focused on profitable growth. There is focus on revenue growth, but we want it to come in a holistic way.

The focus is on margin expansion, improving returns, improving quality of earnings, and stronger cash generation, which we clearly have seen in Q4 and very confident that the trend will continue. The levers that I mentioned earlier also about holistically looking at improving the quality of revenue that we do, improving the clinical talent addition, focusing on clinical differentiation, I think that's our biggest moat.

That we will continue to build across the markets. We want to use our geographic expansion to our advantage, being present in 18 cities, 25 hospitals, that's a huge network, and we want to leverage on it.

Coupled with that, the new expansion that I mentioned, North Bangalore, expansion in the other territories that I mentioned, addition of clinical talent, sales acceleration, expansion through daycare centers, center outreach. I think there are several levers that we are working on today, as I said, focus being not just on growth, but being on profitable growth, being on improving returns and stronger cash generation.

That has come through in this quarter also if I look upon it, or the whole financial year, by better center utilization, by improving clinical productivity, by focusing on costs. I think coupled with these factors, I would say the priority is on holistic, profitable growth going forward.

Nitin Agarwal

Manish, on that point that you mentioned about the priority being profitability-focused-driven growth rather than just chasing growth for top-end perspective. Does that put us at a disadvantage versus some of our larger peers, multi-specialty hospitals, who've got the ability to invest more aggressively behind oncology?

That seems to be honestly the trend across all the listed hospital chains, where oncology investments are a key priority from investment perspective across most of those guys.

Manish Mattoo

I think we are very confident of our clinical differentiation and the moat that we've created over 35 years. We are leaders in most of the markets that we operate in.

While there will be competition, but I think we have created enough legacy, outcomes, and brand recall in the market to sustain that growth. Secondly, there is an inherent demand that is being generated in the market quite rapidly because of higher incidence of cancer.

I would say we will continue to grow quite well in the next couple of years given the fact that we have such a strong legacy and future and the levers that I mentioned before. I don't think that's going to be a challenge.

Nitin Agarwal

Right. Then last one on the growth part of it.

The mid-15%-20% growth that we've talked about, I presume that's a growth guidance for the near term. What can lead to a step-up in this number on a going-forward basis?

Is this a trajectory that we look to follow going forward also?

Manish Mattoo

Sorry, could you repeat your question, the last one?

Nitin Agarwal

What I meant is 15%-20% growth that you've guided to given our revenue base, is there a possibility that it can get meaningfully stepped up from here, and what can really drive up if assuming that kind of inflection can come in our growth from

Manish Mattoo

I think as we deepen our presence in different markets, there is potential for a higher growth, or inorganic expansion through that route, we can ramp up the growth further. That's what I would say to your question.

Nitin Agarwal

Okay. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Santhosh from Fundveda.

Please go ahead.

Hi, sir. Congratulations on the good set of numbers that you have delivered, and I see clear execution things that you're building in the hospitals.

My question is regarding the interest cost. We have been hovering around ₹40 crore of interest cost each quarter.

With the rights issue funds and remaining funds, do we expect that interest cost to reduce in the upcoming quarters?

Manish Mattoo

Thanks for that question. You're right.

Our average interest cost today is about 8%. After the rights issue and we've repaid some long-term debts, we do expect some improvement, some reduction in the interest cost.

Okay. Okay.

Got it. Thank you, sir.

Operator

Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Shashank Goyal from Viomora Capital.

Please go ahead.

Thank you so much. My question is, what sort of occupancy various hospitals in our system operating at?

Hello?

Manish Mattoo

Hello? Hi.

Can you hear me?

Yeah.

Manish Mattoo

Can you hear me? Yeah.

For your benefit, in our investor presentation slide 17, we have guided to a center potential of 15% utilization of 58% on the growth potential. That's the metric we are tracking now against occupancy, because we feel this is actually a blended metric that combines our utilization across modalities, and this gives a better picture of how you should view our utilization rate overall.

We are at 58% of our growth potential.

Okay. My next question is, can we continue to deliver a same store growth for next two, three years on the hospital which are already there, or will we start running into the constraints of capacity?

Manish Mattoo

I think for the next couple of years, our existing hospitals with expansion within them will deliver at least 75% to 80% of our growth, and the rest will come from newer centers.

Okay. Thank you.

That's all from my end. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Devang Patel from Sameeksha Capital.

Please go ahead.

Devang Patel

My first question was on growth in revenue per patient. You mentioned earlier that we are reducing lower-margin business.

Why is that not reflecting in a better growth on realizations? Secondly, in the West also, the trend across quarters is there's a tapering down of growth.

If you can talk about on these.

Manish Mattoo

As I said earlier, growth is not our only objective. Growth has to be accompanied by margin expansion, better returns, improving quality of earnings, and stronger cash generation, which we have demonstrated can come even at a lower revenue.

We've taken those calls consciously, which may have a short-term impact on revenue, but will have a long-term beneficial effect on all the other metrics that I mentioned. That's how it's an intentional strategy to go in that direction, and that's what we will continue to do for some time.

That we have done across clusters, actually: South, West, and East with equal success.

Operator

Devang, do you have

Devang Patel

When you guide to 15% revenue growth, would you be looking at 5% inflation, medical inflation going forward? Should I repeat my question?

Manish Mattoo

Yeah. Can you hear me?

Devang Patel

Yes.

Manish Mattoo

Yes. I would say there is temporary dilution of per-patient realization because, as I had mentioned, we've pared down our low-margin business.

This is only a temporary phase. Over time, we will overcome this and replace that with a higher-margin, higher-realization business, which will normalize ARPP in the medium to long term.

Devang Patel

Right. My second question was on capex for 200 beds over next two years.

What would be the amount we would be spending just on the growth part of capex?

Manish Mattoo

These are all brownfield expansion, and average cost is about ₹30 lakh per bed. That's about ₹120 crore for 400 beds.

Sorry, my apologies. ₹60 ₹60 crore for 200 beds.

Devang Patel

Okay. Lastly on the EBITDA to CFO conversion at 75% this year was lower than the trend we've seen earlier.

Are there any one-offs in this? Could we expect an improvement going forward in our working capital cycle?

Manish Mattoo

Yes. When you adjust for ESOPs, the CFO is actually 87%.

That is the one-off. Normalized for that, the CFO is actually 87%.

Devang Patel

Right. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Pranav Chawla from Abbott Capital.

Please go ahead.

Pranav Chawla

Good afternoon, sir. Congratulations on good quarter.

Sir, I had a couple of questions. One regarding slide number 18, where we have highlighted the margins for various buckets where we classify.

If I refer the same to our FY25 presentation, we are seeing a dip in ₹5 to ₹10 crore revenue per month hospitals, as well as seeing a sharp decline in margins for the less than ₹5 crore bucket hospitals as well. Can you allude to what has led to that dip?

Manish Mattoo

That's because there are several centers moved from third bucket to the second one, and second to the first one. The It is

Pranav Chawla

primarily due to moving of cohorts?

Manish Mattoo

That's right.

Pranav Chawla

Sir, the balance hospitals that are still operating at this less than ₹5 crore bucket, are these the Bombay assets that we were referring to in the past? Is there scope for margin improvement in this bucket?

Manish Mattoo

It includes that.

Pranav Chawla

Is there scope

Manish Mattoo

It includes that. And

Pranav Chawla

Is there scope for margin improvement in this bucket?

Manish Mattoo

There is scope to improve margin and ROCE, and of course, you'll see improvement in the subsequent quarters.

Pranav Chawla

Okay. Got it, sir.

Sir, and one thing, is it possible for you to quantify what percentage of revenue that you had to forego or the low-margin business that we foregone over this fiscal so that we get a better like-on-like comparison of the business?

Manish Mattoo

Right now we will not be able to answer that question.

Pranav Chawla

Sir. Absolutely not an issue.

Sir, lastly, on the Milann transaction, can you give us more color regarding the thought process behind divesting this asset to the promoter himself?

Manish Mattoo

First let me answer the question why it was divested, and then I'll answer the second part of the question. See, Milann has been part of HCG for 13 years, and we had a majority stake in 2013 and then it became a fully owned subsidiary in 2020.

Over the past few years, Milann's operating footprint has steadily declined. The number of centers have come down from nine to six, and today the business operates at a low EBITDA margin and remains only marginally above breakeven on a post-rent basis.

Reviving and scaling the platform would require significant management bandwidth and primary capital infusion, both of which are outside HCG's current strategic focus because we are focused on focusing on the core oncology network. HCG then decided to exit this non-core business and transfer it to a buyer who was better positioned to infuse growth capital, scale the business independently, and carry forward the Milann legacy.

Why it was sold to Dr. Ajay, see, we initiated a competitive sales process, where HCG shortlisted Inviga as a preferred buyer, and the focus was on maximizing valuation and ensuring that the transaction was done with certainty and it facilitated a smooth transition for Milann's employees as well.

Following a comprehensive evaluation of the offers received, and after obtaining the requisite approvals from the board and the audit committee, HCG proceeded with finalization of the transaction with Dr. Ajay's team.

Pranav Chawla

Got it.

Manish Mattoo

Inviga, sorry.

Pranav Chawla

Got it. Got it.

Sir, and from a three- to five-year lens, can you highlight how many beds do you plan to reach by FY30 or FY29, whichever you're comfortable with at this moment? I assume this will primarily be brownfield in nature, the count that you'll refer to.

Manish Mattoo

We've maintained that we will be adding about 1,000 beds by FY30. 400 of those beds will come through a greenfield expansion, and about 600 through the brownfield expansion.

Pranav Chawla

Got it. Got it.

Perfect. Thank you so much, sir.

All the best.

Operator

Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Ashish from Leo Capital.

Please go ahead.

Thank you, but my questions have been answered by the previous participants. Good luck for the coming year.

Manish Mattoo

Thank you.

Operator

A reminder to all, you may press star and one to ask your question. We will take the next question from the line of Anubhav Sangal from Anand Rathi.

Please go ahead.

Anubhav Sangal

Hi, Manish. Congratulations on a good set of numbers.

My question is regarding the new North Bangalore facility where you have added the MR Linac. Just wanted to understand, is MR Linac on an ownership basis or is it a pay-per-use?

Secondly, how are you looking at the ROCE trajectory in the Bangalore region with the addition of North Bangalore?

Manish Mattoo

Anubhav, MR Linac is on a pay-per-use basis because to create an asset-light model for us. Second is that overall, while Bangalore KR, the flagship hospital, is operating at about 28%, 29% ROCE, this is expected to hit a 20% ROCE over the next four to five years, the new hospital.

Anubhav Sangal

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, we will take that as the last question.

I now hand the conference back to the management for the closing comments. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Manish Mattoo

Thank you so much. Thank you so much for joining us, and I look forward to our next interaction.

In case any of the questions have remained unanswered, please reach out to Ravi or me as you deem it appropriate. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, members of the management. On behalf of Healthcare Global Enterprises Limited, we conclude this conference.

Thank you all for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.