Sai Silks (Kalamandir) Ltd.

Sai Silks (Kalamandir) Ltd.

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Q3 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptJanuary 20, 2026

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to Sai Silks Kalamandir Limited Q3 FY26 Earnings Conference Call. This conference call may contain forward-looking statements about the company, which are based on the belief, opinions, and expectations of the company as on date of this call.

These statements are not a guarantee of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes.

Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star, then zero on your touch-tone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded.

I now hand the conference over to Mr. Bharadwaj from Sai Silks Kalamandir Limited.

Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Thank you, sir. Good morning.

Good morning, everyone. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

Thank you for joining us today to discuss the financial and operational performance of Sai Silks Kalamandir Limited for the third quarter as well as the nine months ended FY25-26. I wish you and your families a very happy New Year.

I am Bharadwaj Rachamadugu, Senior Vice President, Sai Silks Kalamandir Limited, and I am joined today by Mr. K.V.L.N.

Sarma, our Chief Financial Officer. To give you a scenario on the overall market environment for quarter three, during quarter three FY25-26, the Indian ethnic apparel retail market experienced moderated demand, primarily influenced by the shift in the festive calendar.

Dussehra, which contributed meaningfully towards the footfalls of Q3 in the previous year, occurred earlier and fell into Q2 during the current financial year. As a result, Q3 FY25-26 witnessed relatively lower footfalls compared to Q3 FY24-25, where festive-led demand had supported higher store traffic and conversions.

Consequently, consumer activity during the quarter also remained largely occasion-driven, with softer demand during the non-occasion periods. Consumers continued to display a measured and value-conscious purchasing approach, reflecting broader consumption trends across the discretionary retail.

Despite the near-term impact of the calendar shift, the underlying demand for ethnic wear still remains structurally strong, supported by weddings and cultural occasions. On the financial performance side, for the third quarter ending December 31, 2025, the company reported revenue from operations of 411.25 crores, compared to 448.5 crores in the last Q.

The year-on-year moderation in revenue was largely attributable to the lower footfalls during the quarter, driven by the shift in the festive calendar. For the nine-month period ending December 31, 2025, the company delivered a strong and resilient performance.

Revenue from operations grew by 16.1 percentage year on year to 1,234 crores, compared to 1,063 crores in the last nine months of 24-25. Gross margin for quarter three improved 40 basis points year on year, increasing to 42.2%, compared to 41.8% corresponding last quarter.

This was driven by pricing discipline and improved product mix. For quarter three FY25-26, the profit after tax stood at 38.4 crores, compared to 46 crores in the last quarter.

The year-on-year moderation in quarterly PAT was primarily on account of the festive-led volumes and the Dussehra season. For the nine-month period ending December 31, 2025, the PAT increased by 50% year on year to 108 crores this year, compared to 71.8 crores in the corresponding last period.

On the absolute percentage basis as well, this year for the nine months YTD, we achieved a PAT margin of about 8.77%, compared to the last year PAT percentage of about 6.7%, which is a 200 basis point increase, reflecting improved operation leverage, better cost discipline and absorption, and enhanced operation efficiencies across the business. This represents a strong year-on-year improvement, which is achieved despite the near-term demand variability and ongoing expansion-related investments.

Overall, the company's performance demonstrates its ability to protect margins in the softer quarters while delivering meaningful profitability growth over the medium term and underscoring the strength and scalability of its operating module. On the operation front, during quarter three, the company continued to execute its calibrated expansion strategy with a focus on strengthening the presence in the key retail ethnic markets.

In Q3, we have added approximately 20,500 square feet of retail space. During the nine-month period ending December 31st, the company added 11 stores, with a cumulative retail space added to be 54,500 square feet, and are well aligned to meet this year's target plan of opening the desired retail area and stores.

As of December 31st, the total company's retail footprint stood at 7.7 lakh square feet of total retail area, reflecting steady and disciplined expansion aligned with long-term growth objectives. As of today, the company still stands to have a track record of not closing a single store.

Looking ahead, the company has a healthy pipeline of new store additions planned for the upcoming quarters. The expansion efforts will continue not only in the existing markets, where the company already has a strong brand recognition, but also in select new markets, which is currently being evaluated.

The company remains focused on disciplined capital deployment and sustainable growth as it scales its retail footprint across the country. Now I will hand it over to the operator and would be happy to answer any questions.

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session.

Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star, N1 on their touch-tone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star, N2.

Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles.

The first question is from the line of Ankit Gupta from Bamboo Capital. Please go ahead.

Ankit Gupta

Thanks for the opportunity. Sir, on the store expansion front, if you can talk about what are our plans for next financial year?

Are we looking to expand in the existing geographies, the four states we are primarily present in in South India? If you can expand upon that a bit.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Okay. First and foremost, currently for this financial year, we targeted around close to 60 to 65,000 square feet.

As of today, we are at 54,500 and we'll comfortably meet the desired target of 65,000 square feet, and there is a possibility to open beyond the targeted area this year. For the next year, we want to go a little bit more aggressively compared to this year.

We have a very strong store expansion plan, and we wanted to extend the current target from 65,000 to almost close to 80 to 85,000 square feet as well. The market where we wanted to look at is both on the current four states as well as into the newer territories.

As we speak, we are actively exploring newer markets in terms of Maharashtra and Kerala as well. Very soon we'll start expanding our store presence across the other areas as well.

The format that we choose to expand is basically going to be majorly driven through a Varamahalakshmi-led expansion strategy, supported by the Valli format.

Ankit Gupta

Majorly it will be like Varamahalakshmi, and Valli will primarily happen in the existing states we are present in, right?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Hello?

Ankit Gupta

Hello?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

I lost you.

Ankit Gupta

Yeah. Basically Varamahalakshmi expansion will happen in the new states that we'll be entering, and Valli will happen in the existing states that we are present.

That's the right understanding?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Correct. You're right.

Yes, you're right. Correct.

Ankit Gupta

The second question was on, how is the outlook looking for Q4 and FY27? How are the wedding dates panning out for next financial year?

If you can talk about how is the demand in the current quarter? If you can talk about that a bit.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Sure. I just want to quickly take a moment to recap our conversations.

If you look at my earnings call as well as my news that I was participating in that, what I've also mentioned is after seeing a healthy pipeline of wedding dates in half year, I've told that there will be some amount of correction because of shifting wedding dates and festival calendar in the Q3. That is the kind of traction is what we are currently seeing right now.

For the full year, for the quarter four, the desired plan of being able to meet the 15% of revenue targets still stands intact. However, on the wedding date side, as you rightly asked for, Q4 is having similar dates compared to last year of Q4.

After that also, in the next financial year, generally we get one round of calendars in the month of January, and we have one more round of iteration that we do in terms of preparing of the wedding calendar again during the Ugadi period, which is around March, mid-March or in the month of March and April. From where we initially got our market research as well as the wedding dates, we do have a healthy pipeline in the next year as well.

Compared to this financial year, next financial year wedding dates are more by 10 more percent of wedding dates. Last year to this year it's already increased, and compared to this year to next financial year, it's even more than the current year.

It is looking very decent, and the good part again, which is going to continue, is that all these dates are not clustered or not confirmed to just any particular month or quarter. It seems to have a distributed month.

Especially during the next financial year, from all the way to April to July, there is nonstop. There is no break in terms of the wedding dates.

It does have a healthy pipeline.

Ankit Gupta

Sure. Got it.

Sir, on the KLM side, if you can share the numbers for Q3 of this year and nine months as well, in the comparative numbers for the last financial year, and how has been the performance of that? Have we seen some improvement?

Till in the first half we did see that, there was some moderate growth in the KLM sales. How has been the performance in Q3 and for overall nine months, if you can share the numbers for this year and last year as well?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Okay. On the performance side, I think half yearly KLM, as we rightly spoke about, because of Dussehra and all moving to Q2, we did see a very healthy SSG growth for KLM as a format.

There are more new stores added on the KLM front. On the quarter three side, there has been some degrowth coming in from majorly the men's and the kidswear category.

Sarees as a category seems to still be strong. I think that's what I've also mentioned in the opening remarks as well, because this particular category is the one, which is men's and kids, is the one category which has been affected in the KLM business as well, and that is what has caused the major degrowth in this particular quarter.

YTD, KLM is still positive, marginally positive compared to last year. The way we think the remaining quarter for Q4 also goes, we should be able to end with a low single-digit positive SSG growth for KLM as a business.

One main headwind that we are facing majorly is with the menswear and the kidswear category. The good news is sarees as a category, menswear, kidswear on the overall component today stands to be around 12% overall compared to the overall structure, which is 15% last year.

That piece is a little bit shrinking because KLM as a business, majority of it still being sarees, should not be a problem. I think we should be able to recover whatever we have lost in Q3 with a marginally slight single-digit SSG growth by the end of Q4.

That should be possible.

Ankit Gupta

Sure. Sir, this one last question on the other expenses front.

We have seen a significant decline in other expenses in Q3 compared to the Q3 of last year. Primarily maybe due to the Dussehra getting, Dasara is getting preponed.

Overall on a nine-month basis also if you look at the numbers, we have hardly grown on the other expenses front. If I look at the breakup of that, there are major rent-related expenses and other fixed costs which are there, but there are some, the variable costs which are there, but there are some business and advertising expenses also.

Have we reduced on that from business promotion and advertising expenses for this quarter? Even on why number, there is hardly growth of 4% in this number compared to 16% growth in the top line that we have seen for nine months.

If you can talk about this and elaborate on the same.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Sure. One of the major reasons what we have consciously taken a decision upon is because the festivity moved to Q2, we have pushed the aggressive expenditure to Q2 and have controlled expenditure in the Q3, and therefore you see a reduced expenditure on the overall front.

If you also look at this year YTD as a number, majority of our stores are Varamahalakshmi. Varamahalakshmi Silk Store generally have lesser advertisement compared to any other format that we currently operate in.

The nature of the business, and we do realize that the festivity calendar has shifted, and therefore we have taken a conscious decision of limiting the advertisement and business promotion expenditure. That is one of the major reasons why we are still able to show a decent EBIT margin of about 17% this year, and still be able to not affect the profitability aspect.

That's again something that I've mentioned in my opening remarks as well. During the softer quarters, we are aware of what kind of demands will pan out, and therefore we have taken conscious decision to not overspend on advertisement expenditure.

What you are seeing today in the advertisement and business promotion expenditure savings is the actual saving that will happen, and Q4 compared to last quarter and this quarter should pretty much be in the same lines on the advertisement spend. Apart from the business promotion and advertisement spend, remaining all the other expenditure are pretty much similar.

It is as per the normal norms of how the expansion has happened. This is one area where we were able to reduce the advertisement and business promotion expenditure, and therefore the entire margin flowed down to EBIT and PAT.

Ankit Gupta

Sure, sir. This last question on this front.

How should we look at this number going forward, as a percentage of sales, or the expansion that we are planning in the next financial year?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

See, on the absolute advertisement expenditure, our internal goal is 2.5%. That's where our goal is.

On the ADVT and business promotion expenditure both put together, we should be able to be under 4-4.5% on the maximum side. The way things are happening, we are aggressively taking a stand to keep it well under 4%.

Ankit Gupta

that should continue when we expand to new states?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Absolutely. It should continue.

It will continue as we expand to new states and new formats as well. Whatever comes on, that will still be the goal and the KPI that we will be targeting.

Ankit Gupta

Thank you, Amish.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Thank you, Anish.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, in order to ensure that the management will be able to address questions from all the participants in the conference, kindly limit your questions to two per participant.

Should you have a follow-up question, please rejoin the queue. The next question is from the line of Akhil Parekh from BNK Securities.

Please go ahead.

Akhil Parekh

Hi, thanks for the opportunity. My question is on the growth front, right?

I understand the festive helps. This year was last year.

If I combine 3Q numbers, the growth rate is still at 6-7% on the top line basis, which is relatively weak. Given that we were expecting FY26 to be a very strong marriage season.

That is one. Second, I think you lowered your sales guidance for full year because last quarter if I look at it as per the concall, you were guiding for 18-20% top line growth, vis-a-vis what you are saying now we are comfortable at 15% top line growth.

That's my first question on the growth front.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

See, on the growth side, I think nine months till now, I think we are still positive by 16-16.5% is the overall growth. On an absolute SSG level also I think we are close to around 6-6% more or less on the SSG side.

On the full year side what we have initially guided is around 15-18%, while 18% is still the target. I think after seeing quarter three performance, we wanted to be giving you a conservative approach of being able to achieve the 15% kind of a number that we wanted to achieve.

The way things are in quarter four also, there is February and March and April, these three months are heavily motivated by the festive and the wedding calendar that is there, and therefore we believe that this is a number that should be possible. We have just hardly completed 15-20 days of business in Q4.

From there things are, the business should be able to pick up, and once we start moving down the quarter, we should be able to give you a realistic guidance on it. At this point of time I feel achieving a 15% growth would be realistic right now.

Akhil Parekh

Anything on the margin front?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Please.

Akhil Parekh

No, go ahead.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

No, that's what I wanted to mention. I think what we have also mentioned is I did highlight in my earlier conference call also that quarter three should be a little weaker quarter when you look at because last year in H1, it was pretty negligible year for us in terms of the wedding and festivity calendar.

The entire business moved from H1 and fell into Q3 and Q4. Q3 was a quarter that has taken major heavy lifting in the last year business.

This year what happened is one, it's a heavy base when you compare to last year Q3 to this year Q3, plus the season has moved from Q3 to Q2 is the reason why we are seeing this sort of a degrowth in the Q3 numbers. When you pan this out and when you spread this out to a full year, 15% should be possible for us.

That's what I wanted to mention.

Akhil Parekh

Got it. My second and last question on the growth and margin front for FY26.

For nine months this year we did around 16.1% of the net margin. Given that we are going to expand further in Varamahalakshmi, should we anticipate some improvement on the margins for FY26 7.

Second, should we pencil in 12-15% of margin for FY27? That's my last question.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

On the margin front, I think I wanted to mention you is, see, even with respect to profitability aspect, right, we're talking about EBITDA margins, I'll come to that also. This year in the third three quarters, last year we have done our total profitability of about 71-72 crores.

This year already we have surpassed the last year's full number of 105 crores profit by already right now we have reached 108.2 crores or somewhere in that range. Now what I'm trying to tell you is the operation leverages and the EBIT percentage margins are already kicking in, and that is what is causing us give a healthy margin.

This should be able to continue in the Q4 as well, and we should be able to post a comfortable margins overall. On the overall front, the gross margin side, I think achieving a 42-43% in the next full year should be achievable.

On the EBITDA margin side as well, 17-18% is something that we are targeting for the next year. This is majorly driven by Varamahalakshmi format and changing the product mixes is the two fundamental reasons that I wanted to put out there.

Even if you look at the overall full year this year projection, even if you are able to achieve a 15-18% kind of a number, on the profitability side, I think what I wanted to mention is operation leverage will kick in and almost we are expecting a 35% jump in terms of profitability compared to last year profit. Both on the margin gross margin expansion is possible and EBIT margin is definitely possible.

On the PAT margin, I think we are clearly able to see that the jump is already there, and we have surpassed last year Q3 and we have one full quarter of the entire profit being added to the overall full year profitability aspect. This is taking into consideration of the one-time tax provision that we had given last year.

Otherwise the reported profit last year was only 85 crores.

Akhil Parekh

Sure, this is clear. Just one clarification, you said 5% for full year, right, on a Y-Y basis?

FY26 over FY25? Thanks a lot and best wishes for the conference.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Rahul Jain from Credence Wealth.

Please go ahead.

Rahul Jain

Thanks for the opportunity. With regards to the growth next year, you mentioned we have better wedding dates, which are much more spread out compared to this year, and also you are targeting a much higher square feet addition, which you mentioned in your initial comments.

When we look at next year on overall top line growth, should we expect at least 15% or maybe in the range of 18-20% given the square feet addition and the wedding dates being better than this year? Can we expect on a current 15% growth, this year we end up around 1,700 crores of sales, from that can we expect somewhere around 18-20% growth?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

the goal, sir, is to actually have a 5% SSG and a 15% new store rollout addition. Both put together is going to be 20%.

That's the goal that we internally have working with. To answer your question in short, yes, we should be able to target anything between 15 and 20.

Rahul Jain

Sure. Coming to the next year's store addition, which you spoke about, and also you spoke about Maharashtra being there, basically what kind of the number of stores being added and the square feet addition is quite aggressive.

Add some more details in terms of what kind of addition in which states we are looking at and Maharashtra, typically are we trying to get some stores in Maharashtra also next one year?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

As a matter of fact, I think from the last quarter we have been actively scouting for locations. It's just that the rental costs are much, much higher than the average rental that we pay down in any of these four states.

We are actively exploring, negotiating with the landlords to ensure that it fits into our ecosystem of rent-to-revenue ratios. The way things are currently is that the rentals are much, much higher in Mumbai, but I think we are in advanced stages of negotiation and we are actively pursuing opportunities in Nagpur, Mumbai and Pune as well.

We don't anticipate at this point of time we should be able to see a huge number of stores in one year, but we should definitely be able to see a few couple stores and us entering into this market, trying to understand. Once next year we start, probably in one or two quarters we should be able to sign a couple of stores.

Once those stores come into full operational existence and once it completes about a quarter or two quarters, probably that's when we'll start adding additional new stores. At this point of time, to answer your question in short, by next year you should be able to see stores in Maharashtra.

Rahul Jain

Last thing, with regards to Valli, we are already at 11 stores and almost more than six months since the first store opened. If you could share the unit economics with regards to this format, that would be quite helpful.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Sir, I think I wanted to again put that, first quarter of Valli operations was Q2, and another Wally, Q3 was a lower quarter overall. It still wouldn't make sense to give a number, but broadly if I have to put Valli into perspective and give you numbers, it will be in the same range of how Kalamandir formats are currently working, with reduced capex and reduced inventory levels.

What I would request is if you could give me another quarter by the end of March, it would at least complete about six to nine months of complete operations, and probably I'll be able to give you. In this next quarter, four, we don't have any new Valli stores planned.

What we wanted to do is, we wanted to have a proper model built in terms of how we wanted to take it forward, and only then we will add new Valli stores. These 11 Valli stores should remain in the same count by the end of March, and we should be able to build a model out of this and be able to provide it to you.

Post that we should start looking at Valli expansion in the next financial year. Whatever stores that we will be adding in this particular quarter, in Q4, will be Varamahalakshmi six metros.

Rahul Jain

Sure, sir. Sum it up, Valli economics currently are almost somewhere near your Kalamandir format.

Is that the right assumption?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Yes, you are right. Absolutely.

Rahul Jain

Sure. Thank you so much, sir, and all the best.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Param Vora from TriNetra Asset Managers.

Please go ahead.

Param Vora

Hello, thank you for giving me this opportunity. My question is regarding the margins.

Are there any margin differences between online and offline sales?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Yes, good morning, Param. Yes, there are margin differences between the online and offline.

On the Varamahalakshmi and on the Mandir, these are the two formats that we are having on the online business. Slightly lesser.

On the online business, we have 10% lower cost compared to the offline stores. On the Kalamandir front, again, there’s a difference.

Online business in the overall aspect, if you see, it’s probably 1-1.5% of the overall business currently. It’s still relatively a smaller pie compared to the offline section, but there’s a slight lower margin on the online business compared to the offline business side.

And

Param Vora

any plans to partner with third-party online channels like Myntra, Jio, etc.?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

On that front, I don’t think as a company we would want to aggressively go onto the third-party channels. I think on the marketplaces, as you wanted to mention, I think we have tried this out in the last few financial years, and what we have understood is, huge marketplace commissions eats up, and there’s a heavy advertisement commission that eats up, and the worst of all is, when you get the returns, the product doesn’t come intact in shape.

There’s a lot of business loss that we are incurring as a saree as a business. We thought, whatever business we try to do it, we will try to pull it away from the marketplace channels and try to do everything on our websites only, and it’s working well.

The good part is that, we were able to, the typical ASP for these marketplaces that you were mentioning about ranges around 700 to 900, 950. For us, if you look at the Mandir and Varamahalakshmi, we are still being able to, operate at an ASP of about 8,000 rupees or so.

That’s something which is encouraging, and we don’t want to actually go into the marketplace as we speak. We are comfortable in this place, and it attracts a lot more.

You need to jack up your, increase your margins aggressively and then provide deep discounting. That’s a model that we don’t want to operate in.

Param Vora

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Dhwanil Desai from Turtle Capital.

Please go ahead.

Dhwanil Desai

Hi, good morning, everyone. First clarification, I think you guided for 15% growth on overall, entire year.

That comes out to be 12-13% growth for the Q4, right? Is that a fair understanding?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Yes, that's right.

Dhwanil Desai

Got it. Sir, one question on this expansion thing.

I think whenever we last interacted, the idea was that there is enough room in the existing state to go deeper and try out new formats. We were opening some stores of Varamahalakshmi in Karnataka.

There was some space there. Same thing in Andhra also.

If you can elaborate your thought process on idea behind entering a state like Maharashtra, which is quite different, maybe in terms of taste and kind of merchandising that you need to keep. Also if you enter in a city like Mumbai, wouldn’t it make sense to have multiple stores rather than have one or two stores there?

If you can talk about your strategy, why we are going into a state like Maharashtra, which is kind of away from what we have been doing so far.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Okay. On the overall strategy-wise, yes, there are pockets of areas in the current existing territories where we are not present.

I’ve given examples in my previous conversations as well, which is in Telangana, apart from Hyderabad and this one small city called Khammam, there is no other store present. There’s a lot of opportunity in this Telangana as well as in Andhra.

While we are adding up new stores in the existing core markets, we also wanted to start slowly pivoting into newer territories. See, when we go to a new state, what we have already followed when we were only present in Hyderabad, then we experimented with Karnataka, then we moved to Tamil Nadu.

The way we wanted to do is, open one or two stores max and understand what the consumer behavior and consumer patterns. The good part is our ecosystem is there where if we wanted to change the product mix, there’s always an opportunity for us to sell it in different stores.

Even as of today, the procurement that what we do for our existing stores in these 80 stores that we have are not just sourced from one city. We source from pretty much any saree-weaving cluster that is out there in the market.

We source from different points, North, South, East, West, wherever it is, more than 100 places is where we source our products from. The consumer point of view would not vary too much.

We would still be able to operate in the wedding space, which is the saree space, but slightly be able to add the value with kurta, kurtis and lehengas aspect to that. Overall, our still our USP and primary point of focus will still be sarees.

When we move into a new territory like Maharashtra, be it Mumbai, be it Pune, wherever it is, we will start off with one single store, understand what the consumers and customers are asking for, make the necessary changes before aggressively expanding. Once we crack that part of what exactly the customers want, then we start aggressively going to expand two, three, four stores.

The reason behind that will be to give you some leverage with respect to back-end operations, warehousing could be, or administration. This is that cluster model that we have been following for the last two decades.

That is what has worked for us, and we will continue to operate in the same aspect. This logic applies to new cities, new territories, and new states, anything that we do.

This is the kind of logic that we will try to apply for.

Dhwanil Desai

Perfect. Sir, for...

I just had one question, right? I just one question.

K.V.L.N. Sarma

Sir, please.

Dhwanil Desai

Yeah. Sir, second question is, on the Varamahalakshmi.

I think we were clocking around 25 to 30,000, kind of a number for the Tamil Nadu stores, and the idea was that it will eventually mature to 45 to 50,000 range. Where are we in that journey?

Are we moving towards that number? Do we expect that to hit that number in Q4, Q1 next year?

Any thoughts on that?

K.V.L.N. Sarma

Tamil Nadu currently is delivering on an average around 37,000 to 37,500 per square feet. There is a potential for it to go up to 45,000 by the end of 27.

On a staggered basis, this will deliver another 7,000 to 7,500 in the next four, five quarters to come.

Dhwanil Desai

That will help improve our margin, right? Because

K.V.L.N. Sarma

that will substantially improve the margin because the store-level costs are already met at the current...

Dhwanil Desai

Got it. Thank you, and wish you all the best.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Resha Mehta from GreenEdge Wealth.

Please go ahead.

Resha Mehta

Yes, hi. The first question is, on the store expansion plan.

While, it's around, you've guided for around 80-85,000 square feet, can you give the breakup between Varamahalakshmi and Valli? Broadly, what is it, that we are thinking?

Also, in terms of Varamahalakshmi, so, at around 37 stores, or maybe if you want to put it in square footage terms, where do you see that, kind of saturating in the existing markets of South?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Ma'am. For the next year target, more than 50% will be Varamahalakshmi, and the remaining 50% will come from a Kalamandir format and a Valli format.

As I did mention, in quarter four, we are holding off on to expanding into Valli format because we want to build a model and reduce as much, bring in more efficiencies in the current model, build that model and start scaling into the other tier two and tier three stores. The vision that we have for Valli is eventually, if not this year, or maybe within the next 12 to 15 months, we should be able to make this model attractive so that if at all in future we are able to build in a investor-friendly franchisee model, Valli as a format will be able to help us build that.

That's the vision plan for Valli for the next 12 to 15 months. For the next financial year, because we already have a capable, steady format, which is Varamahalakshmi, which is better in terms of capital allocation and better margin profile, everything, we wanted to at least have 50% of the overall expansion coming from Varamahalakshmi format.

In the location strategy perspective, while we are scouting for newer territories, which is Maharashtra and Kerala, the emphasis, at least in the next six months, will be in the core markets. It is just that we are trying to finalize and freeze these locations.

Not many locations are ready to occupy for us to begin with. By the end of next, this 26-27 financial year, you should be able to see stores where we are able to open beyond the core territories.

In the existing markets, if you ask, are there any scope for expanding into newer markets with respect to Varamahalakshmi and Kalamandir? Yes.

In tier two cities we are not at all present, not at all present in terms of Telangana market as well as in Andhra market to a certain extent we are currently in active pursuit of closing a few locations. Again, in Karnataka in the last year and this financial year, I think we have closed a few locations in Karnataka and there are still opportunities in Karnataka.

With respect to Tamil Nadu, what we will do is that we will pause with the Varamahalakshmi format in Tamil Nadu because we are having the Varamahalakshmi spread out pretty much every two hours or three hours in tier two locations we have our Varamahalakshmi stores present. There is maybe two or three new Varamahalakshmi stores that could come in Tamil Nadu.

What we will do is with the Varamahalakshmi stores already being present, we will now support the existing store network with a newer format. This could either be a Kalamandir or a Valli format, and that is what will help us bring in the cluster expansion strategy and be able to get that advantage in terms of administration and back-end warehousing.

This is broadly the structure that we have for this financial year and the next financial year.

Resha Mehta

Just two clarifications there also. When you say 50% store expansion for the next financial year, being led by Varamahalakshmi, you say 50% in terms of the store count or in terms of the square footage?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

I think what we are currently tracking is with respect to store square footage itself. I think the store count, the averages are moving a little bit here and there, 5,000, 6,000, 7,000 is the kind of average that we are going.

I think from the last, three, four quarters only we started communicating and the way we are tracking is with respect to the store square footage itself. The metrics that we should be able to assess is the store square footage itself.

Resha Mehta

So 50% store square footage from Varamahalakshmi. The second clarification was on, basically what you are trying to say is that Varamahalakshmi will still, you will continue to expand the stores in tier two cities of Telangana and Karnataka, while Andhra and Tamil Nadu will be kind of in a pause mode.

Is that understanding right?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

More or less, yes. There are still three, four locations in Tamil Nadu and three, four locations in Andhra that we are currently going to complete expansion.

In Andhra, I think by quarter four we should be able to add two or three locations in Andhra. After that, which completes, then there are, three, four stores.

Majorly in tier two of Telangana and Karnataka, you should be able to see stores coming in.

Resha Mehta

Understood. Just second and the last question is, basically on funding this expansion and the working capital.

With this 80,000 square footage, and if I assume, around 4 crore capex per store on an average, right? However, we don't have the store count per se, right?

How? Also, let's say if we do around, based on your guidance, 2,000 crore kind of revenue in the next financial year, and half of our working capital is half of our sales, 1,000 crore working capital requirement, and to fund the store expansion, where do you see, how do we, when will we need fresh funds, etc.?

I do understand that, there is still some bit of unutilized IPO money is left, right? Where do we see the funding requirement again coming in?

K.V.L.N. Sarma

This IPO money we will be getting exhausted by this month end, at this year end, FY26. By that time, out of IPO money, we would have completed about 190,000 square feet of expansion.

However, during the current year and some part of the last year, we have internal generations accrued, which we are holding on in cash right now, after liquidating the entire working capital borrowings. Broadly, if you take the store expansion along with the working capital, if we are implementing, say around 80,000, 75,000 square feet, if we are implementing, then further we would be requiring at the rate of 4,000 per square feet capex and about 8 to 9,000 per working capital, we should be requiring in the range of 12 to 15,000 per square feet, including working capital, which entail approximately 100 crore plus or minus for the year.

Right now our current year internal generations, since the entire internal generations are free for us because the entire expansion was funded by IPO funds and working capital was already brought to zero by the beginning of the year, and we will have the entire current year generations available for us for expansion in the next year. That will be fully adequate for that, and then it is a cycle going ahead next year also.

Broadly, if you take, say, we are holding an inventory of 770 to 800 crores at this point of time, where working capital borrowings are zero. Then when we are applying, when we are expanding, and along with expansion, our working capital is also met through internal resources only.

The expansion for the next year would be easily funded by the internal generations that we are holding at this point of time and the funds that will accrue in the Q4 as well. This will be a cycle till we undertake a larger expansion, and wherever required, if there is any shortfall of funds at any point of time, we would go in for working capital borrowings.

As I foresee, we will not be requiring any borrowings for working capital until the second half of FY28.

Resha Mehta

Understood, very clear. We have some 22 crores unutilized money.

Just a last question, data question.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Can we let ma'am explain? Yes, please go ahead, ma'am.

Resha Mehta

Thank you so much. We have this unutilized 22 crores for two warehouses.

Do we plan to utilize this for the two warehouses?

K.V.L.N. Sarma

We would. We have a plan to identify and put up the warehouse also, because Tamil Nadu expansion is almost complete, but for about three to four possible store sends.

We would be implementing the warehousing implementation also. Maybe there may be a slight delay of two or three months, but the identification transaction will be closed before 31st March.

Resha Mehta

Thank you so much and all the best.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

On the overall front, I think, ma'am, what I wanted to tell is the unutilized funds that are currently there in the monitoring account, more or less I think we should be able to have the utilization completed by 31st March.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Amish Kanani from JM Financial.

Please go ahead.

Amish Kanani

Hi, congrats, sir, on a very good control on working capital and profitability control in the cost. Sir, quite a bit also is asked about the growth, which was slightly softer on Q3.

If you can just give us some sense, you mentioned the men's and kidswear category probably was the reason. Is this the way things will pan out because of our expansion strategy?

Or, the category can come? I understand the growth of 15 to 20% is, probably will come from there.

One, if you can give us the sense that for reaching 20%, don't the 10% store count growth and 5% SSG, where that extra 5% if at all we have to grow at a higher rate, how will we kind of achieve? If you can give us some sense, that would be helpful.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

On this year performance overall, I think in quarter three, if you take, pretty much all the formats did see degrowth. The reason why I mentioned men's and kidswear supported by KLM Fashion Mall is that those were the sections that took a bigger impact in terms of the degrowth aspect.

If you look at YTD, sarees still continue to dominate, ensure resilient performance overall. We will still continue to operate in that particular space.

As we keep adding new stores, the impact of men's and kidswear as a category itself will slowly come down and will not increase in the overall contribution to the revenue. With that being said, there are efforts.

I think in the last couple of quarters also what I have been mentioning is men's and kidswear is undergoing a lot of changes. The changes include changing of the overall product mix in the men's and kidswear category, renew the entire purchasing style that what we have been capturing.

Those are some efforts that we are taking and we will continue to do so. For the next financial year, I think we will still be able to plan and build a model around where the SSG contribution to the overall growth will be 4 to 5%.

Remaining growth, whatever, be it aggressive or less aggressive, will entirely come from the new store addition that we plan to add. To answer your question, the remaining gap in terms of the overall growth will come from the new store addition that we will plan.

K.V.L.N. Sarma

If I may add a little on this, the growth comes from three quarters. One is store addition.

The second is SSG beyond 3%, it will add to some margins. The third, the stores which have already come into existence getting matured and giving higher productivity.

The higher productivity in the stores that have already established will give a better margin, a higher margin going ahead. The growth in the viable profitability aspect will come from all these three aspects.

Amish Kanani

Yes, sir. In that question, sir, in that same light, how is the store count addition that we had for last year and this year year-to-date?

How is the productivity there? Is it shaping up the way we like it and scaling up to the normal mature store economics?

K.V.L.N. Sarma

That's what for the last question, I remember to answer this, that the new stores that have come in last year, they are averaging around 37,000 to 37,500, with the potential of 45,000. There is a potential of another 7,500 square feet, another 7,500 rupees per square feet on approximately 1 lakh square feet.

That would come over the next four to five quarters.

Amish Kanani

Sure. I have a couple of more, but I'll go back to the queue.

Thanks. Yes, please.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Hitaindra Pradhan from Maximal Capital.

Please go ahead. Hitaindra, your line is unmuted.

Please go ahead.

Hitaindra Pradhan

Yeah. First question is on the store expansion.

If I heard it correctly, you said 15% square feet addition, which I think translates to almost 1.2 lakh square feet. 10%.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Or is it 10%? Addition?

Hello,

K.V.L.N. Sarma

store addition is 10%, approximately 75,000 square feet.

Hitaindra Pradhan

Okay. The question here was, last year, the June quarter was basically a washout quarter.

On the basis of last quarter, this nine months, 15% is looking nine. If I look at two-year CAGR, from nine months to nine months, which takes into care the wedding date dips in, dip in the June quarter last year, your sales CAGR is around 10%, and your square footage addition itself is 9-10% in these two years.

Now we are talking about even more aggressive expansion, but somehow the data which is available to us is not reflecting, any sort of a meaningful SSG, which you are getting from the stores. Given that, and also you mentioned about the consumer behavior, which is becoming more value-oriented, and we are more specialty sales-driven.

Given this, what is giving you the confidence to become more aggressive in the store expansion?

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

On the, see, SSG-wise, I think last year was that disrupted year, and the previous year also a little bit in terms of the Q3, Q4. There has been effect in the overall, the demand perspective.

These changes what we have been seeing in the last couple of previous year and the last year was majorly with respect to retail as a category on the whole. Those are reasons I would probably attribute to the macroeconomic trends, which I probably don't want to comment today upon.

In this particular financial year, if you look at, this is that one year where if you remove the quarterly highs and lows, on a full year basis, we are able to showcase that ideal year where SSG-level contribution is still there, plus we are still be able to showcase the overall growth as well. What I would want to point out...

Hitaindra Pradhan

That is the disconnect. Because, see, if you remove last year Q1, which was basically a washout, and as another analyst also pointed out, for Q2, Q3 combined it was looking at 6-7% growth only, which is not more than your square footage addition.

That is where the disconnect is coming. The data which is available to us is not showing any meaningful store-wise growth, sir.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Okay. What I was trying to communicate is when I continue the format by format, if you are able to clock a positive SSG growth, that gives us confidence for us to start expanding beyond the current levels.

While the last year and the previous year all are disrupted because of other factors, with Varamahalakshmi format and the Valli Silks format taking into shape, we believe the store expansion should be able to help us balance out and maintain a positive level growth. Still the goal for us will be to ensure a positive SSG that we should be able to achieve, which is what is happening in this financial year.

Because we know that by the end of March we will be able to clock a positive SSG, this gives us confidence to start expanding beyond the current territories to newer territories and start making a mark for us and start expanding further beyond this market. Because even when we go beyond the current territories, go into newer territories, there is still a possibility for ethnic retailers like us because in those markets majorly these are dominated by the kurta, kurti, lehenga categories, saree as a category there is still no trusted brand or a trusted player pan India, and we feel there is a gap in the market and we will fit that gap properly.

Hitaindra Pradhan

Sir, it would be good if you can help us with format-wise SSG, because, see, we are not able, if you look at the overall company picture, we are not able to understand what is giving you the optimism to become more aggressive about store expansion. Because maybe your enthusiasm is coming because you are saying maybe VML and Valli has having good triple SSG.

Overall at the company level we are not able to see SSG from the financials which are there, if we take on the Q1 of last year. That is one.

That was the feedback. Second is from the other expenses now, there has been a major dip.

Last year I think we had some short-term rents and ads, which were sort of major heads inside that. If you can give some numbers on what has contributed to only 4% other expenses growth for nine months, and how do we see that in the coming years.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

I think on the other expenditure front, I made this explanation earlier as well. This year we have reduced the overall advertisement expenditure on the whole, and especially majorly this has come into effect in quarter three, which is the last October to December quarter, is what had a major impact in the reduced expenditure.

Last year and the previous year what we have also done is business promotion expenditure also was something that we were carefully, aggressively promoting because half year we had a negative half on the overall de-growth. We started operating majorly on business promotion to give some kind of rewards to the customers to come and continuously shop with us.

This was again driven majorly with the KLM format as such. This year we do understand that business has the seasonality aspect and wedding dates are evenly spread out.

We reduce the overall dependency on the business promotion aspect as well. Therefore the additional new stores that came in this year, which is Varamahalakshmi stores, in general only requires lesser advertisement expenditure.

Therefore these both are the two factors why the advertisement expenditures for nine months seem to be much lower than compared to last year. Now again one other aspect to this is last year in quarter two onwards we started aggressively expanding and spending in digital media, digital marketing, while we also important in the last offline newspapers, which was that also came down.

However, we are trying to spend more on the digital front and social channels. The change is that we should have a reduce on the overall broader, the ad expenditure we will be able to have 5%, but expenditure we will be able to...

This number should start coming down, move along.

Hitaindra Pradhan

Thank you.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

Thank you

Operator

for today. Over to Mr.

Bharadwaj. Over to you, sir.

Bharadwaj Rachamadugu

One point, before we move on to mention that the seasonality, one good thing the company is continuously is that in terms of the... versus our growth in much.

We were able to, in this quarter, this growth, the P&L aspect seems to... What we also consider when we keep on expanding is this sort of an operational leverage is still kick in, and by the end of Q4 we should be able to target a much still profitability compound that we will continue.

It is a trend that we should be able to next and upcoming again in the next quarter. Have a nice day.

Operator

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Thank you all for joining us and Canec Airlines.