Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Kirloskar Oil Engines Limited 4Q FY26 earnings conference call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes.
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I now hand the conference over to Mr. Amit Shah from Antique Stock Broking Limited.
Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Amit Shah
Thank you, Sagar. Good evening, everyone.
On behalf of Antique Stock Broking Limited, I welcome you all to 4Q FY26 post-earnings call of Kirloskar Oil Engines Limited. To discuss the results, we have the senior management team of the company represented by Ms.
Gauri Kirloskar, Managing Director of the company; Mr. Rahul Sahai, CEO of the company; and Mr.
Sachin Kejriwal, CFO of the company. I would hand over the call to Ms.
Gauri Kirloskar for her opening remarks, post which we can open the floor for Q&A. Over to you, ma'am.
Gauri Kirloskar
Thanks very much. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you for joining us today. On the call today, we have Rahul Sahai, CEO at KOEL; Sachin, the CFO at KOEL; Kiran, CHRO; and Farrah Irani, Company Secretary.
Joining us from Arka, we have Ridhi Gangar, CFO. I would like to start this year-end investor call with a thank you to all our investors, especially those who have placed their trust and confidence in us over the last four years or more.
I remember discussing growth, specifically sustainable growth, when we began this journey. As business cycles fluctuate between favorable and challenging, there will always be spurts of growth followed by periods of lull.
What matters most is how we build an organization capable of leveraging favorable circumstances while remaining resilient during a downturn. Such an approach is not a quarterly race; it is a multi-year marathon.
It requires managing various cycles and building for the future, all while overseeing day-to-day operations. I have always believed that growth must be sustainable; it cannot come at the cost of profitability or for the sake of short-term benefits.
At a consolidated level, we achieved 22% growth in revenue. We are now amongst the top 10 manufacturers in the world by volume in the industrial and power gen space.
We sold over a million pumps last year, and our international business crossed 1,000 crores—₹1,000 crore in gross sales. Our domestic business grew 21% year-on-year, while international business grew 37% in gross sales.
While various factors influence our monthly and quarterly movements, our focus remains steadfast on long-term, sustained growth. At a standalone level, the company achieved its highest-ever quarterly sales in Q4, reaching ₹1,522 crore, a 24% year-on-year growth.
This resulted in full-year net sales of ₹5,604 crore, representing a 25% year-on-year increase. In Q4, the domestic business grew 26%, while the international business grew 10% compared to the same quarter last year.
Our power gen segment grew 32% over the previous year. On a quarterly basis, power gen grew 30% year-on-year.
To put this in context, Q4 is traditionally a strong quarter for us, delivering this level of growth is a significant achievement. Our market share has improved significantly across all nodes.
In our high-horsepower segment, where our market share was negligible a couple of years ago, we are now approaching double digits. While the overall annual diesel generator market grew 18% to approximately 1,79,000 units including telecom, KOEL grew by 41%, selling upwards of 50,000 units in FY26.
Our industrial segment grew 22% annually, generating revenues of ₹1,444 crore. Construction, mining, and railways have been our primary growth drivers.
The growth in our construction segment tells an interesting story. As you all know, in January of 2025, there was a mandatory emission standard shift from CEV BS IV to CEV BS V.
Is that right, yeah? Emission changes represent both an opportunity to acquire customers and a risk of losing them.
In this segment, customer acquisition is a long-drawn process involving technical alignment, product fit assessments, and often engineering tweaks to ensure our products integrate seamlessly with the customer's equipment. This involves type approvals and proto testing, a joint effort that typically takes 18 months or more.
Despite these complexities, we grew 24% in this segment in Q4 compared to the same quarter last year. Our construction segment specifically grew 44% year-on-year, validating the strength of our products under the new emission standards and the capability of our engineering teams.
We have incorporated a new subsidiary called Kirloskar Advanced Systems Private Limited. We believe there's significant potential in advanced technology, particularly to serve key accounts in sectors like defense.
Beyond our traditional engine business, we see a systems integration opportunity where we can leverage our engineering capabilities. This requires focused effort, which is the rationale behind this new entity.
On the aftermarket side, we grew 15% annually and 20% quarterly. As mentioned in previous calls, our journey over the last four years has been to transition from a parts provider to a complete ecosystem manager.
We are improving our share of annual maintenance contract, or AMC, customers and leveraging our service channels to offer allied products and whole goods. This shift in perspective is yielding clear results.
Kirloskar Fluid Dynamics grew 10% domestically and 13% internationally this quarter. On an annual basis, the business grew 6% domestically and 36% internationally.
As this is the first full quarter for the consolidated entity, we saw reasonable growth with exports outperforming. However, I believe there's still significant headroom for growth.
Regarding our international business, I have always maintained that growth must be built sustainably. To become a strong brand globally, our products, channels, and service processes must be fit for the markets.
There is a fundamental difference between exports and being international. Exports involves manufacturing locally and shipping to a country to sell through an agent.
Being international means building a genuine business in that geography, hiring locally, setting up comprehensive offices, and evaluating local manufacturing or assembly where it's viable. Our gross international business grew 33% in Q4 over the previous year's quarter, and 37% over the last fiscal year.
We remain committed to our strategy of focusing on specific regions to build this business with patience and sustained effort. At Arka, our five-year strategy centers on a deliberate pivot towards retailizing our book.
To ensure sustainable growth, we prioritize building the right foundational structure ranging from onboarding the right talent and selecting markets to building seamless digital journeys and prudent risk guardrails. We scaled from 34 to 137 branches in fiscal year '26.
Our strategy focuses on local market depth, operating only in regions where we have the established infrastructure to provide direct, high-touch service to our customers. Our AUM grew 10% to ₹7,947 crore, with net interest income rising 11% to ₹266 crore.
Even with significant investments in the secured retail business, FY26 profit after tax remained stable at ₹69 crore, similar to FY25 profit after tax before extraordinary items. While we are in full execution mode, asset quality remains robust along with prudent leverage and capital ratios.
In summary, we are progressing well against our goal to be a $2 billion company by fiscal year '30, and our numbers indicate that progress. We are very excited about our future.
We believe that there is much more that we can do, and the opportunity is real. Our last year's performance is a reflection of the inherent strengths that we have at KOEL—our leadership, our engineering, our people, and the strength of our partners, meaning our suppliers, our channel partners, and most importantly, our customers.
I will stop here and request Sachin to give an update on Q4 and the full-year numbers. Thank you.
Sachin Kejriwal
All right. Good evening, everyone.
Thanks, Gauri, for the update. I will give a quick overview of the financial performance for standalone and consolidated business.
The results and the presentation for today's call has already been uploaded on exchange and our website. Q4 FY26 was a period of remarkable growth, setting a new benchmark for quarterly sales.
The strong performance was broad-based, with significant double-digit growth in both domestic and international markets. The fourth quarter of fiscal year '26 was record-setting period for Kirloskar Oil Engines, achieving the highest-ever quarterly sales of 1,522 crores for the standalone operations, registering 24% growth year-on-year.
With this strong performance, we closed the full year with standalone net sales of 5,604 crores, that is 25% growth year-on-year. Coming to the financial performance overview, I will start with standalone performance first.
For the quarter, net sales at 1,522 crores for Q4 FY26 versus 1,225 crores for Q4 FY25, 24% increase year-on-year. EBITDA at 193 crores for Q4 FY26 versus 152 crores for Q4 FY25, that is 27% increase year-on-year.
EBITDA margin at 12.6% for Q4 FY26 versus 12.3% for Q4 FY25, there has been improvement by 30 basis points. Net profit from continuing operation at 118 crores for Q4 FY26 versus 92 crores for Q4 FY25, 28% increase year-on-year.
Now moving to the full-year performance, net sales at 5,604 crores for FY26 versus 4,481 crore for FY25, that is 25% increase year-on-year. EBITDA at 737 crores for FY26 versus 552 crores for FY25, 33% increase year-on-year.
EBITDA margin at 13.1% for FY26 versus 12.2% for FY25, there is a growth of 90 basis points in EBITDA margin. Net profit from continuing operation at 464 crores for FY26 versus 343 crores for FY25, 35% increase year-on-year.
Net cash position, net of debt and including treasury investment, stands at 552 crores. Please note numbers reported here are for continuing operations only and excluding exceptional items.
Moving to working capital, our working capital position continues to remain healthy, with payables at approximately 60 days and receivables at around 41 days. Inventory level stood at approximately 48 days, which improved from 66 days last quarters.
Supported by disciplined working capital management, led by improved inventory and receivables efficiency, the overall cash conversion cycle has continued to be maintained within a disciplined range, supporting overall liquidity and operating flexibility. In the interest of time, I will break down this performance for the quarterly numbers.
You can refer to our earning presentations for full-year performance numbers. Coming to the further breakdown of the standalone sales for the quarter, KOEL's standalone sales post the restructuring were at 1,522 crores, that is 24% growth year-on-year.
This strong momentum was backed by double-digit growth across all business units. Within B2B, power gen was at 708 crores, that is 30% increase year-on-year.
Industrial was at 371 crores, 24% increase year-on-year. Distribution and aftermarket was at 281 crores, which is 20% increase year-on-year.
International business of B2B was at 162 crores, that is 10% increase year-on-year. Now looking at consolidated performance for the quarter, revenue from operation at 2,116 crores for Q4 FY26 versus 1,749 crores for Q4 FY25, that is 21% increase year-on-year.
Net profit from continuing operations at 162 crores for Q4 FY26 versus 111 crores for Q4 FY25, that is 47% increase year-on-year. Let us have a look at consolidated segment performance for the quarter now.
B2B segment revenue for the quarter was at 1,557 crores, which is 25% growth year-on-year. The segment PBIT was at 152 crores, reflecting 35% increase year-on-year.
B2C segment revenue for the quarter was at 339 crores, which is 11% growth year-on-year. The segment PBIT was at approx 42 crores, that is 16% increase year-on-year.
Financial service segment revenue for the quarter is at 221 crores, reflecting 8% year-on-year growth. The segment PBT was at 28 crores, that is 157% increase year-on-year.
Please note numbers discussed here represent continuing operations only and before exceptional items. To conclude, I would like to sincerely congratulate the entire KOEL team for their contribution to this strong performance.
The progress we have achieved this year is a reflection of the collective commitment, resilience, and execution capability across the organization. As we close this financial year, we are now preparing ourselves for the next set of milestones in our 2B2B journey.
Our approach will continue to be steady and disciplined, staying focused on our long-term goals, taking one step at a time, and remaining agile as we navigate the evolving business environment. Now I would like to open the floor for Q&A.
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you very much. We will now begin with the question and answer session.
Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press "*" and then "1" on their touchtone phone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press "*" and "2".
Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles.
Your first question comes from the line of Jeetu Panjabi with EM Invesco Capital Advisors Private Limited. Please go ahead.
Jeetu Panjabi
Hey, Gauri, Rahul, and team. I think tremendous performance and very satisfying to see the way you guys have scaled up and managed to get to this place.
Congratulations on that. My first question really is that the export side numbers seem very strong.
Question is, can you give some level of attribution to help us understand where's that growth coming from and two, your thoughts on sustainability of that? I've got a second question, I'll ask after we talk about the first one.
Rahul Sahai
Hi, Jeetu. Thank you for the inputs, and really appreciate that.
On the international side, our fluid dynamics business has done extremely well last year. Seen tremendous growth.
As we've been explaining over the quarters, our game plan is deeply structural for each region. We take a deep look on where should we play, how do we succeed in those markets, what is the regulatory environment.
There is a lot of ponderance before we make decisions to commit to a market. Once we do, then the entrenchment is fairly sustainable.
The way I would answer the question is, do we think this is sustainable? We would believe that this is sustainable.
In fact, there is a lot more work that is still underway. If I look at the split, power gen continues to be a very big opportunity on the international side.
We continue to be focused on that. This time around, we've seen significant success on the pumps side, as well as on the power gen side in the 1,000-plus crores in gross sales.
Oh,
Jeetu Panjabi
thank you so much. I really appreciate that.
The second question is really, can you talk a little bit about the market share gains in the high-horsepower segment? I don't specifically ask for numbers, but just more color on what's happening then.
Especially OptiPrime, how is that shaping up, and what does the order book look like? One more linked question broadly is, with the war and potential fuel price hikes and all the other stuff, can you just again tell us what do you think are any of the challenges that you expect in the environment for our business over the next six, nine months?
Rahul Sahai
Right, right. Jeetu, just on OptiPrime and our HHP focus, if I look at the way we've progressed over the last one year, we are already making strides, I would say significant strides, whether it is OptiPrime or HHP.
We have sold units up to 3,000 kVA now. All of that is already underway, and we have actually sold a few hundred OptiPrimes last year.
That has been extremely encouraging for us as a management team as well as the teams within the organization. We do believe that the moment we enter a particular node or market, and definitely domestic first, we have a opportunity to succeed there.
The HHP segment in power gen has been not very different. We do believe that we will continue to grow stronger there.
As far as the current geopolitical situation is concerned, we may see short- to medium-term structural changes play out. I think we're keenly watching out for the macro environment.
What I can assure you is whatever happens won't be specific or unique to us. I think if there is a larger macro play that happens or if there's something that happens, then we may face some headwinds, but we may also see tailwinds in the form of rebuilding of infrastructure in those respective regions.
The good news for us is that, look, we committed to the Middle East market a few years ago, and we are present. Each time, once the rebuilding process starts and as and when it starts, we are present there to address that growth in the market.
Jeetu Panjabi
Thank you very much, and good wishes as always. Thank you.
Rahul Sahai
Thank you. Thank you, Jeetu.
Operator
Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Ankur Periwal from Axis Capital.
Please go ahead.
Ankur Periwal
Hi, team. Thanks for the opportunity, and congratulations on a strong set of numbers.
My first question is on the R&D and the overall product development side. Now, glad to hear your earlier comment on OptiPrime picking up very well.
Just on that bit, are there any more products that we are working on over the next, let's say, one to three years, which can drive the growth further up, or maybe even variants of the existing ones, which can see a ramp-up over the coming years?
Rahul Sahai
Yeah. I may not be able to give out information about the product launches and the engineering development, but what I can say is that we are deeply focused on key customer segments and their requirements, and we're fully geared and equipped to develop the products that the market requires.
Ankur Periwal
Let me rephrase my question. You did mention we are selling units up to 3,000 kVA, the incremental focus is on going beyond 3,000 kVA as well, or within 3,000 kVA our portfolio is reasonably placed, and we believe there is no further new product investment required there?
Rahul Sahai
We have the capability to address nodes even beyond 3,000. What I did mention was where we have actively sold units.
We have capability, as you're aware, we are executing order of Nuclear Power Corporation, 10 units, each unit is 6.3 MW genset. We do have the capability to address larger units.
I was just talking about the routine products.
Ankur Periwal
Sure. That's helpful.
Second bit on very strong growth on the industrial side for us, what is your growth outlook across industrial as well as distribution revenue going ahead? While till now the growth, as in the initial comments we highlighted was led by construction, but are these the key segments which will drive the growth further ahead as well, or there could be more sub-segments that we will look to ramp up?
Rahul Sahai
Overall we remain committed to the $2 billion guidance, and industrial and aftermarket have an important role to play as we move and progress towards the $2 billion milestone. As you're aware, on the industrial side, we have multiple segments.
There is a game plan in place for each of those segments. Depending on the year and the cycle we are in, some of those segments will do better than others.
I wouldn't be able to call out anything more than that at this point.
Ankur Periwal
Fair enough. Just last question, from the company's investments into the sub-segments in terms of having the people, the teams, the network in place, we have already invested there, and now we just need to see the ramp-up and the execution part, or there could be some more investments which are required?
Rahul Sahai
As you're aware, the situation does change quite a bit, we may make decisions to hire more people depending on the circumstance. It's hard to really comment on that.
Yes, there is a significant amount of infrastructure as well as network already established that we are fully leveraging at this point. Okay.
Ankur Periwal
Thank you for all the answers, and all the best.
Operator
Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Jason Soans with IDBI Capital.
Please go ahead.
Jason Soans
Thank you so much for taking my questions. First, just had a clarification, I just joined the call a bit late.
Gauri ma'am did mention that how much the industry grew and the volumes, could you just repeat that?
Gauri Kirloskar
Sure. You want me to repeat that bit of the commentary?
While the overall annual diesel generator market grew 18% to approximately 1,79,000 units including telecom, we grew by 41%, selling upwards of 50,000 units in this fiscal year.
Jason Soans
Sure. Thank you so much, ma'am, for that.
That's very helpful. Now, my next question just pertains to, we saw good growth on the power gen side, 32%, and 22% on the industrial side.
Just wanted to know if you could just help us with the volume growth as well for both these segments. I can just do for the entire year.
Rahul Sahai
I think Gauri is kind of answered the volume part of it. What exactly is the question?
Jason Soans
I just wanted to know, power gen segment grew by 32% for '26 and industrial grew by 22%. Now, and then the CPCB element and all those things.
Just wanted to have a break-up with the volume and the price growth, if possible?
Rahul Sahai
We won't be giving that here.
Jason Soans
Oh, sure. Okay.
Actually, last time around in the last annual call, you did mention the HHP sales numbers. Would it be possible to have that number for '26?
Rahul Sahai
That number we don't usually give out, I'm sorry we won't be able to share that. I think the qualitative on HHP, we did share right in the beginning of the call.
Jason Soans
Yeah. Okay.
I also saw the announcement with regarding to the capacity augmentation at the Kagal plant. Now, you've mentioned some capex as well for that.
Now, considering that, basically what capex do we envisage for '27 and '28 going ahead?
Sachin Kejriwal
You must have read this stock exchange disclosures. We are investing close to 1,400 crores on that.
That will be our capital allocation for this next two years.
Jason Soans
For both these, okay. Just Yeah, okay.
Okay. Just lastly, just wanted to understand, this time around, there have been, the Middle East crisis and things like that, that the gas crisis as well.
Any short-term disruption during the quarter? Did the company face any short-term disruptions during the quarter?
Rahul Sahai
No, nothing specific.
Jason Soans
Okay. Sure, I'll join back the queue for further questions.
Thank you so much.
Operator
Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Mihir Manohar with Trust Mutual Fund.
Please go ahead.
Mihir Manohar
Hi. Thanks for giving the opportunity, and congratulations for a great set of numbers, very strong numbers.
Wanted to understand on the capacity addition side. The 50,000 engines that we are expanding for Kagal, should one consider that coming operational second half FY28?
Because in 2024 we had mentioned it to come in three years, when should we expect that 50,000 engines to come on-stream? Second question was on the 20,000 engines capacity expansion that we are announcing.
Now, here we are mentioning about 1,400 crores of capex versus for 50,000 machines, it was 700 crores capex. Are these on the HHP side, why a higher number capex for machine?
Just want to understand that.
Gauri Kirloskar
That's a good question. We announced the 700, like you mentioned, and that's coming online by April of next year, and it's 50,000 engines.
That was about enhancing our lines and adding new lines in the existing plant. That's why you saw that kind of investment.
Now, for this 1,400 crore investment that we're taking on over the next two years for 20,000, it's because it includes a new building, of course at the same site. There's no land acquisition involved, it's still at our Kagal plant, but it includes a new building and of course completely new lines and equipment.
Mihir Manohar
That's because of the building which is involved. Sorry?
Gauri Kirloskar
Does that answer your question?
Mihir Manohar
Am I audible?
Gauri Kirloskar
Yeah.
Mihir Manohar
That's because of the building involved. It's not the case that it's for higher HHP machine or a typical higher category of machine, that's not the case?
Gauri Kirloskar
It is also for higher machines, but it involves all of these things. As you can see from the results, we are seeing traction in international markets, we are seeing traction in the high-horsepower segment, as well as OptiPrime.
It is for those kinds of engines.
Mihir Manohar
Understood. Sure.
Second question was just on the Vizag side. A lot of data center capacity is coming at Vizag location.
If you could provide some clarity as to are we getting inquiries specifically pertaining to this location, and how strong are these inquiries? Some color on that would be helpful.
Rahul Sahai
Look, we are engaged with different kinds of customers, and there are inquiries from all over. I wouldn't say Vizag is any different from that.
At this point in time, however, it's hard to comment on that.
Mihir Manohar
Understood. Sure, yeah.
That's it from my side. Thank you very much, yeah.
Operator
Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Teena Virmani from Motilal Oswal Financial Services.
Please go ahead.
Teena Virmani
Hi. Thanks for taking my question, and congrats Gauri, Rahul, and the team for a great set of numbers once again in the quarter.
My first question is related to the margins. We have seen very good growth of in revenues across divisions.
Wanted to understand when can we start witnessing the operating leverage gains, because you had mentioned in the past that you were investing in the sales channel network, educating your distribution network and everyone on the new and the higher HP products. Are these investments done or which is leading to let's say the higher other expenses which we have seen in this year.
Are these investments done or they are more to be done in the coming quarters? When can we see actually the reduction in these other expenses which can drive your operating leverage gains?
That's my first question.
Rahul Sahai
Hi, Teena. Look, see each of the nodes, the kVA nodes, have their own associated margin profile.
Overall, what we share is a composite number. Now, what you would see is that there is absolutely no margin deterioration, and we have seen in certain nodes, we've seen operating leverage also kick in.
What the way I can answer that question right now is a lot of the investments are made, but as you're aware, we've kicked off this new capacity enhancement investment. There is a lot of traction that we also are receiving on the international side, for which we are gearing up for.
We probably will see larger operating leverages kick in soon.
Teena Virmani
That can start panning out maybe from FY27 onwards.
Rahul Sahai
That is our full intention is to have to maximize on operating leverage, yes.
Teena Virmani
Understood. My second question is related to your power gen business.
You have mentioned that you're growing very well in the HHP side with growth in your OptiPrime and the other HHP ranges. How do we see the growth in the non-HHP portfolio for FY27 and going ahead?
How do we see this segment to grow going forward, given that we already have a very high base for the industry also, as well as for KOEL also?
Rahul Sahai
That's going to be hard for me to give an outlook, but what I can certainly say is that look, we will continue to strive our best and focus on our core bread-and-butter business, which is LHP. That's certainly will remain a big focus area as we look to unlock new avenues especially on the projects and HHP side.
We are very committed to the LHP business.
Teena Virmani
Understood. This will grow in line or maybe a little better than the industry growth for this year also, FY27?
Rahul Sahai
We will certainly try for that.
Teena Virmani
Okay. Just lastly on the cost side, we have seen higher RM prices across the board for the entire industry.
Do you see that the market is strong enough for absorbing any kind of price hike if industry participants were to take any kind of price hike for RM pressures?
Rahul Sahai
Look, I think each company has its own strategy, it's hard for me to comment. I think some of the material cost inflation is such that it's going to be hard for players to absorb all of it themselves.
Some of it will certainly get passed on to the market.
Teena Virmani
Understood. I'll come back with the follow-on questions.
Thank you so much.
Operator
Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Suraj Malu with Catamaran.
Please go ahead.
Suraj Malu
Hi. Thank you very much for this opportunity.
Ma'am, of this 1,400 crore capex that you have announced, is it fully new, or is there any replacement amount involved in this? Hello,
Sachin Kejriwal
yeah, Suraj, this is fully new capex, nothing replacement in this.
Suraj Malu
Got it. The 700 crore capex that is underway, the current gross block, I assume, would be around 2,000 crores.
Is this understanding correct that this 2,000 crore gross block would become plus 700 and plus 1,400, roughly 4,000 crores after two, three years?
Sachin Kejriwal
Yes.
Suraj Malu
Once we complete
Sachin Kejriwal
the capex.
Suraj Malu
Got it. That 700 crores nothing is included in the current gross block, right?
Sachin Kejriwal
No, nothing.
Suraj Malu
Got it. If we look at the amount, is the new capacity of this current 20,000 engines that is announced, is this primarily HHP?
Because the amount is huge if we look at the current capacity of 1,35,000 and the current gross block. The proportions don't add up, the increase in engine capacity is just 15%.
Sachin Kejriwal
Gauri has already answered that, it's a combination of both. We are investing in the building in existing Kagal facility, plus a larger capex will go towards the building HHP capacity enhancement.
Operator
Sorry, sir, the line for the current participant has dropped from the queue. We'll move on to our next question.
The next question comes from the line of Amit Anwani from PL Capital. Please go ahead.
Amit Anwani
Hi. Thanks for taking my question.
I just saw the press release on the Netherlands subsidiary. If you could elaborate more, I think you have highlighted about some heat engines and ICE engines as a product, plus some energy transition products.
Just wanted to understand what we're trying to achieve with this subsidiary in Netherlands?
Gauri Kirloskar
Sure. Given international is a very big component of our five-year goal, it's just important for us to structure ourselves efficiently as we're growing to create value for our stakeholders, it's in line with that.
Amit Anwani
Right. A second question on the data center, just wanted to understand in terms of a capability and our $2 billion goal, how much we are factoring in in terms of the data center growth, addressable market in terms of higher nodes in the data center.
Some color definitely would help, and how has been at least the growth in the past, the targets for growth from the data center piece, that will help? Sure, look,
Rahul Sahai
I cannot give out how much we're factoring in the 2 billion from a data center segment contribution standpoint. The response that we've received is quite encouraging.
We remain committed to the segment. We do believe that we have a unique proposition for the data center segment, and we're hoping that we get more traction as we move along.
We've seen successes even in the last year.
Amit Anwani
All right. Lastly, you did highlight it about the capex, and the international leg will also is something which you're considering while doing this capex.
Could you elaborate more which markets and nodes you're actually trying to address with this capex? Anything which is there to understand in terms of any particular markets or nodes you're looking for?
Rahul Sahai
It's focused on HHP markets in power gen mostly, so that will be the key theme of the capital deployment.
Amit Anwani
Any particular geographies you're looking at initially?
Rahul Sahai
At this point, we can't give that out, but of course the capacity is being set up for whole of KOEL to use, yeah, for across the board.
Gauri Kirloskar
It's for across the board, it's not that we're only setting up the capacity for a specific geography, it would be for any demand that we'd see across our markets.
Amit Anwani
Right. Thank you.
Thank you so much for answering. Thank you.
Gauri Kirloskar
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. We will take our next question from the line of Mr.
Suraj Malu from Catamaran. Please go ahead.
Suraj Malu
Thank you very much. Sorry, I got dropped off.
My question was on the proportion, the capex that we have announced, roughly double of the current gross block, including the 700 and 1,400. What is the asset turn that we can expect on this gross block?
Gauri Kirloskar
Suraj, Sachin will answer the question on asset turns, but I think you dropped off, and what he was saying is, and what we had mentioned before as well, was that the difference in 700 and 1,400, even though one is 50,000 engines and one is 20,000, is because this one includes a new building as well at our existing Kagal land, and it's for the high-horsepower engine. I just wanted to make sure that you heard that, and Sachin will answer this part of your question.
Sachin Kejriwal
Suraj, asset turn will in the range of 4 to 5, depending upon the nodes.
Suraj Malu
Understood. On the total base, right, including the land and everything, 2,100
Sachin Kejriwal
crores
Suraj Malu
base. Okay.
Thank you very much.
Operator
Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Palak from MIV.
Please go ahead.
Hi, am I audible?
Operator
Yes, ma'am,
you're audible. You're audible.
Okay. My first question is on the short-term margin, with all the commodity inflation situation, are we comfortable that we will be able to sustain this level of gross margin?
Second question is that I think that approximately 40 to 50% of our export revenue is from the Middle East market, what was the impact on this quarter, and the next quarter what we are expecting? The last question is that, can you give us the proportion or the contribution of HHP to our power gen segment?
Gauri Kirloskar
On the last question, it's been asked before on the call as well, but I'm sorry, we're not going to share that break-up, Palak, on the HHP bit. On your first question on raw material inflation, I think we're in a pretty sort of turbulent period, or perhaps going to be entering a pretty turbulent period.
I think every effort will be made for us to focus on our long-term growth and maintaining our margins and keeping them sustainable. As we know, it's a turbulent period, and hopefully that only remains for the short term.
I think, in terms of the demand drivers in our industries, we do feel that they are remaining strong. We feel we're in a good position, and it's not anything that we're going to go through in an isolated way.
On your second question, which was on Middle East, you want to answer this, Sachin?
Middle East.
Gauri Kirloskar
Could you just repeat the question? Middle East, you were saying, oh, I think what you said was 40 to 50% of our international revenues are from Middle East, and have we seen any impact, right?
Correct.
Rahul Sahai
You're correct,
that was my question.
Rahul Sahai
In the last quarter, we've not really seen any impact. It's going to be hard to comment on this quarter or the subsequent quarters, but in the last quarter, we haven't really seen impact.
Okay. Also, just last question.
Considering the current energy crisis situation, are we seeing the demand on the gas-powered power generators? Do we have a strong portfolio in that segment?
Rahul Sahai
Look, we have a pretty strong portfolio across the board, something that we would back, and every demand that and every opportunity that comes up, we will go out and strive to meet that demand.
Gauri Kirloskar
I think what I would add to Rahul's comments is we've developed engines that run on different fuels, and it was defined in our technology tracks about three years ago, it's in our investor materials, where we've talked about developing internal combustion engines that run on gas, or ethanol, methanol, or blends of hydrogen, etc. If there's demand that picks up for any of these alternative fuels, then we are ready to address that.
Have you seen any pick-up in the inquiries for this specific segment?
Rahul Sahai
Which market are you talking about?
The alternate engines power generator.
Rahul Sahai
I would say that there's nothing meaningful to talk about as far as this conversation is concerned. We're obviously hopeful, but nothing meaningful at this point.
Thank you.
Gauri Kirloskar
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Before we take the next question, a reminder to all the participants, you may press "*" and then "1" to ask a question.
Your next question comes from the line of Parikshit Kandpal from HDFC Securities. Please go ahead.
Parikshit Kandpal
Hi, Gauri and Rahul, congratulations on a great quarter. Hope I'm audible.
Gauri Kirloskar
You're audible. Hi.
Parikshit Kandpal
My first question is on in this year we have seen a substantial increase in copper prices and now this last quarter we have seen almost 15% increase in pig iron prices. Have you taken any price hikes already for this correction?
If you can classify between the copper and the pig iron, because pig iron is a recent phenomenon. Just your views on that.
Gauri Kirloskar
We won't be able to comment on that because it pertains to this quarter we're in.
Parikshit Kandpal
What about copper, because copper has been rising throughout the year. Last financial year, have you taken any price hikes?
Gauri Kirloskar
As and when there's raw material price, we continuously evaluate our pricing policy, and we take price increases at regular periods. That's where we are.
Parikshit Kandpal
Can you quantify how much price hike you have taken in FY26?
Rahul Sahai
No, we can't.
Parikshit Kandpal
Sure. Second question is on HHP side.
Is this engine totally localized, are we manufacturing it in-house,
Rahul Sahai
especially on the
Parikshit Kandpal
HHP portfolio? It's entirely done in-house, right?
Yeah.
Gauri Kirloskar
It's developed by our own engineering teams and it's completely localized.
Parikshit Kandpal
Okay. Just one question on the Netherlands investments which you are doing.
I think you have mentioned about gas turbines, transformers, energy storage solutions, is it the research which will go into and the product rollouts will happen in some years? How does one look at this which comments which you have given on the background of that research you're going to undertake on this?
Gauri Kirloskar
We couldn't hear your question very clearly. Sorry, could you just speak a little slower and louder, more clearly?
Parikshit Kandpal
Yeah. In the announcements on the incorporation of the new entity Netherlands, you have given a brief background about the businesses which will happen in this.
There's a mention of gas turbines, transformers, energy storage solutions including batteries. Just wanted to understand a little bit more, if this new business line, will we do manufacturing here or is it in a very initial stage, if you can give some more color on this new verticals?
Rahul Sahai
Look, we've outlined our technology paths, and there is a focus on different combustion technologies also, but there's nothing significant to speak about at this point in time.
Gauri Kirloskar
I think you're also referring to the format which is disclosed, and that's the incorporation of a company. Usually, when we define that, it includes everything that we could possibly do.
It doesn't necessarily mean that we will do it.
Parikshit Kandpal
Sure.
Gauri Kirloskar
If we're looking at international and we're looking at the power systems space, it can involve a range of technologies over time, which is what we're trying to address in the description. It may not be where we are today.
Does that make sense?
Parikshit Kandpal
Understood. It's aspiration, it may happen, may not happen is what you are saying.
Gauri Kirloskar
Exactly, exactly.
Parikshit Kandpal
Just last question on the power gen revenues. If you can give us some color on what was the data center contribution on?
What's our presence in colo right now, edge, and how are you looking to get into the hyperscalers?
Rahul Sahai
I think in some sense that question is leading, but yeah, we are present in edge and colos, and we are slowly also making our presence in hyperscalers too. It would be premature to give out those contributions at this point in time, I would reserve my comment there.
Parikshit Kandpal
Will it be single-digit, double-digit, early double-digit, any color at least on the contribution of everything on the power gen revenue base?
Rahul Sahai
We certainly strive for double-digit as far as contribution is concerned,
Parikshit Kandpal
but
Rahul Sahai
yeah.
Parikshit Kandpal
Thank you, I think that's it.
Operator
Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Sourabh Arya with Polkline Capital.
Please go ahead.
Sourabh Arya
Hi. Am I audible?
Operator
Yes, sir, you're audible. Go ahead.
Sourabh Arya
Perfect, yeah. Congratulations Gauri, Rahul, Sachin, and to the whole team.
See, my question is, actually, of course, you have not commented on the new products, etc., but I want to understand from you in terms of R&D, how as a percentage of sales it is going up for us? Or if you could talk about any patents, etc., in terms of number of patents, which are increasing for the company or not?
Why I'm asking this is I came across this latest patent which was on maybe hybrid generators, and of course, Rahul's name was there. It's quite encouraging to see CEO of the company and is there on the patent.
Maybe some thoughts on how R&D and new products will come together if you could throw some light there.
Rahul Sahai
Maybe we'll talk about R&D as a percentage of sales. Maybe Sachin, you can take.
Sachin Kejriwal
Saurabh, R&D as a percentage of sales is roughly 2% on the revenue side and 2% on the capex.
Sourabh Arya
Is there any increase there year-on-year? Are you putting more efforts there?
Sachin Kejriwal
Yeah. It's steady at 2%, but with our sales quantum is going up, R&D expense is also going up because we are maintaining the same rate of 2, 2.5%.
Sourabh Arya
Okay. Second, I think Gauri at the start of the call commented that international is now more than export.
Does it mean Kirloskar Americas portion of business is doing well if you could comment on that? Because we've been in Americas for quite a long time and after, of course, Middle East, how the traction is happening there.
Gauri Kirloskar
No, Saurabh, I didn't say international was more than export. I was just saying that the way we look at our business outside of India is what I call international rather than export, just the difference between the two, say, business models.
Export is when you make locally and when you ship out to an agent or a distributor and you just have no presence there yourself, versus an international business, which is what we are trying to build, which is we first understand each market very deeply before we decide how we're going to enter, and then we actually have to invest in capability and people, and possibly set up, some sort of manufacturing there, perhaps, and then we're deeply entrenched in that geography. That's what my commentary was about.
I'm not sure I understood your question.
Sourabh Arya
No, I was trying to understand how Kirloskar Americas is doing now. In this year, has it done well then other regions?
Because of course, we'll have to wait for annual report for it to come. If you could give some qualitative color how that has done for you.
Rahul Sahai
I think this past year, there's a lot of effort that we are putting into the Americas region. At this point in time, there's nothing meaningful or significant to discuss at this point in time.
Sourabh Arya
Sure. Very lastly, in terms of single engine, can you tell us what is the exact size of single engine you are selling right now?
I know OptiPrime series is there which can take you to 3,000 and all, but in terms of single engine, what is the maximum capacity you are selling?
Rahul Sahai
Our nuclear power execution is single engine 6.3, basically around 8,000 8,000 kVA, 6.3 MW.
Sourabh Arya
Let's say
Rahul Sahai
That's a single engine.
Sourabh Arya
Sure. Then for data centers, etc.?
Rahul Sahai
For data centers, right now we go up to 1,650 in single engine. Obviously we are on track to increase that as well.
Sourabh Arya
Perfect. Thank you very much.
All the best to the team, yeah.
Rahul Sahai
Thank you.
Gauri Kirloskar
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Prateek Srivastava with Niwesh Wisdom.
Please go ahead.
Prateek Srivastava
Yeah. Thank you sir and ma'am for the opportunity for taking my call.
Again wish you congratulations again on a very great set of numbers. Today there is some problem with this conference line, I'm not sure the moderator is seeing that, but calls are getting disconnected.
I'm not sure if any question on Arka's asset quality was taken. In Q3 con-call, the GNPA numbers were 1.2 and the NNPA was .03.3, right?
Can you please provide what are the updated numbers as of today for GNPA and NNPA on Arka?
Gauri Kirloskar
Ridhi, are you there? Can you answer?
Ridhi Gangar
There? Yeah.
The GNPA number for Arka as of 31st March '26 is 1.2, it remains at the same level. NNPA also remains at the same levels of December, which is 0.3%.
In absolute terms, the GNPA has actually come down. Oh,
Prateek Srivastava
great. Great to hear that.
The other question was on the order value. I guess Rahul sir mentioned that in last Q3 con-call, this was the order around the nuclear NPCIL and the marine order.
I guess the combined order at that point was ₹798 crore. The execution was 2-year timeline.
Any update on the execution of this order, and are we on track?
Gauri Kirloskar
The NPCIL order execution is by 2029.
Prateek Srivastava
Okay. Is there any update?
Are we actively working on it or we've got to start,
Gauri Kirloskar
any
Prateek Srivastava
color you can throw on the execution timeline?
Gauri Kirloskar
All the teams are very actively working very hard on it because the execution is absolutely critical for us to do on time, and it gets tracked on a regular cadence, it's project-managed, and we are on track to deliver it by the timelines that we have committed to.
Prateek Srivastava
Got it. Do we have any quarterly revenue recognition in this order?
Gauri Kirloskar
As the billing happens, yes, we will recognize revenue.
Prateek Srivastava
That hasn't started happening yet, right?
Gauri Kirloskar
No.
Prateek Srivastava
Okay. Thank you, ma'am, for the
Gauri Kirloskar
answers.
Prateek Srivastava
Again, all the best for your continued future. Thank you.
Gauri Kirloskar
Thank you for your wishes. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. The next follow-up comes from the line of Jason Soans with IDBI Capital.
Please go ahead.
Gauri Kirloskar
Since it's 8:00 p.m., could we request that this is the last question, please?
Operator
Sure.
Jason Soans
Yeah. Ma'am, just final two questions.
Just you did highlight some segments which have contributed to the growth in industrial. Now, for the same thing, I just wanted which are the areas of strength for power gen, and some areas of strength, any weakness in certain areas, just some qualitative color on demand for the PG segments?
Rahul Sahai
Look, we take a lot of pride in the fact that we can offer solutions that are practical to our customers. If there were weaknesses, we would certainly try and plug those weaknesses over a period of time.
We are focused on our high-horsepower customers, that remains a consistent focus. I think I won't be able to comment more than that right now.
Jason Soans
No, actually I wanted to say in terms of segments. It's not that the portfolio, I meant in terms of let's say residential or hospitality or certain segments, that's how I wanted to approach the question.
In terms of industry verticals.
Rahul Sahai
It's actually pretty broad-based. It comes pretty hard to answer it like that, but it's pretty broad-based.
Jason Soans
Sure. Just finally, the 14 billion capex, the peak revenue potential, what can it be and in how many years can it be, some broad color on that?
So 14 billion, what is the peak revenue potential, and how many years you aspire to eventually reach it?
Sachin Kejriwal
The capex which we have announced is 1,400 crores,
Jason Soans
and
Sachin Kejriwal
what we get that we are targeting to complete the capitalization in next 2 years, from where in the revenue will start kicking in our P&L.
Jason Soans
Right, yeah. What could the peak revenue be for that?
Sachin Kejriwal
At the asset turn of 4, you can calculate, it will be close to 5,000, 6,000 crores.
Jason Soans
Sure. Asset turn of 4, fine.
Sure. Thank you so much for answering my question.
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will take that as a last question for today.
I now hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.
Gauri Kirloskar
Thank you very much for all your compliments to the team, and thank you for your interest in the company.
Operator
Thank you.
Gauri Kirloskar
Good night.
Operator
On behalf of Antique Stock Broking Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you everyone for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.
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