Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the RateGain Travel Technologies Limited Q3 and FY '26 earnings conference call hosted by Strategic Growth Advisors. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes.
Should you need assistance during this conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero on your touch-tone phone. I now hand the conference over to Mr.
Bhanu Chopra from RateGain Travel Technologies. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Bhanu Chopra
Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining RateGain Travel Technologies Q3 FY '26 earnings call.
This was quite a transformative quarter for us operationally, strategically, and structurally. Let me first start by addressing the headline directly.
We delivered revenue of ₹540 crores, up 94% year-on-year. Our EBITDA grew 42%.
The reported PAT declined year-on-year, and the reasons are transparent. There was an increased amortization from acquisition accounting, there were deal-related costs including diligence, severance, and alignment expenses, and finance costs related to acquisition funding.
These are integration and accounting impacts, not a deterioration in the underlying business. Rohan will cover these in detail during his commentary.
PAT adjusted for one-time exceptional expenses, which are non-recurring, grew 8% year-on-year. Importantly, within the first 100 days of integration, we have already executed approximately $12 million in annualized cost savings in Sojern on a base of $24 million annual EBITDA in Sojern.
These savings will be visible from Q4 FY '26 onwards, with the full impact should be visible from Q1 FY '27. Given the cash generation profile of this business, we've already repaid approximately $25 million of acquisition-related debt, representing 20% of gross loan amount within the first 90 days of deal closure.
We aim to be net debt-positive within 30 months. We continue to generate healthy operating cash flows, and that gives us both balance sheet comfort and strategic flexibility as integration progresses.
Let me now give you some strategic context where value is accruing. Travel continues to be resilient, digital adoption is accelerating, online bookings are expanding globally, experience-led travel is increasing.
In this environment, value accrues to platforms that provide an integrated tech stack, one that allows customers to acquire guests efficiently, retain and engage them meaningfully, expand guest wallet share over time. That is our vision.
We're not building disconnected tools. We're building an integrated AI-powered stack across acquisition, engagement, distribution, and revenue optimization.
An important shift we are seeing is how travelers search and discover. Increasingly, travelers are using conversational AI platforms and intelligent search tools to plan trips.
Hotels and destinations are asking, "How do we show up effectively in that environment?" We have built integrations that allow our hotel partners to distribute structured content and availability seamlessly into these emerging discovery channels.
In simple terms, as search behavior evolves, our customers remain visible and bookable. Another structural shift helping us win is our commercial model.
Across our integrated tech stack, we are increasingly moving towards performance-linked pricing where customers pay based on outcomes delivered. We monetize when we create measurable revenue lift.
This aligns incentives and reflects how modern commercial models are evolving, and it makes it very compelling for our customers. Let me now talk about engines of growth.
Our engine number one in MarTech is scale, dominance, and integration. MarTech continues to be our largest growth engine.
With the integration of Adara and Sojern, we are now the most dominant provider in the space of Destination Management Organizations. No other provider even comes close.
It's about a $90 million business for us, and no other provider combines travel intent data at global scale, closed-loop attribution and booking measurement at that scale, deep, long-standing relationships across destinations, enterprise-grade marketing execution. At our scale of data, we're uniquely positioned to capitalize on this segment, and that's what destinations care about.
Integration is progressing ahead of plan, and we have already achieved $12 million in cost synergies within 100 days. We're working with BCG to bring the go-to-market teams of Adara and Sojern together, aligning sales structures, account coverage, and cross-sell motions.
This is about building one unified commercial engine. Soho update, erstwhile BCV: On Soho, the erstwhile BCV business, this was the only acquisition in our portfolio that was not profitable since acquisition.
This quarter, Soho achieved profitability. This was driven by a large marquee account win, improved cost alignment, and sharper execution focus.
It demonstrates that we can take underperforming assets and drive operational improvement. We're encouraged, and we remain disciplined in scaling it profitably.
AI Concierge: Separately, AI Concierge, part of the Sojern platform, is showing very strong commercial traction. Hotels using AI Concierge are seeing up to 300% increase in ancillary revenue, 75% improvement in NPS, automation of up to 80% of guest queries.
This is real ROI. This is monetization.
It drives direct wallet share expansion, which is central to our integrated thesis. We are now working on integrating this in our unified platform, UNO.
Demand Booster, win-back validation: Another important signal this quarter, a large customer that had exited approximately 18 months ago has returned via a pilot on Demand Booster. They had moved due to industry consolidation, and their exit had impacted our organic growth.
After demonstrating the revenue lift they were missing by moving away, they have re-engaged. This validates our product competitiveness.
It validates measurable ROI we deliver. As we move into the upcoming quarter and achieve deeper integration, Demand Booster and Sojern's hospitality marketing offerings will be sold as one unified solution.
This allows us to combine performance marketing, audience intelligence, and direct booking optimization into a single, integrated proposition for hotels. Similarly, Adara and Sojern offerings will be streamlined and positioned as unified products, strengthening our cross-sell motion and simplifying the customer buying journey.
This is where integration begins to translate directly into commercial acceleration. Let me talk about now our engine two, the DaaS embedded intelligence.
Momentum is improving. We saw volume increases across air, car, and OTA customers along with net new customer additions.
Navigator, our solution for hotels, has undergone a meaningful evolution. We have moved beyond dashboards and historical reporting.
Navigator now delivers AI-assisted commercial clarity, translating complex demand, pricing, and competitive data into decision-ready actions for revenue managers. Instead of just showing data, it answers: Where should I price?
Where am I losing share? Which demand segments are shifting?
Similarly, RevAI clarity in cars simplifies pricing complexity into actionable insights. AirGain continues to strengthen parity intelligence and competitive pricing visibility.
Singapore Airlines extended its long-standing partnership, reinforcing trust in our pricing intelligence stack. Across DaaS, we're embedding intelligence into workflows, not adding just surface-based analytics, that creates durability.
UNO Viva, our AI voice success: We launched UNO Viva, our AI-powered voice agent. The first key implementation has delivered very encouraging results including measurable booking conversions.
We see a big opportunity for this product in Europe and US where labor shortages are a real problem. Viva turns in-bound intent into direct bookings in real time.
As hotels focus more on direct revenue capture, voice automation becomes a powerful lever. We see this as a meaningful, long-term opportunity within distribution.
AI embedded across the stack: There is broad market noise around AI. Our approach is disciplined and practical.
We're embedding AI into commercial decision loops, not laying superficial features. Across the platform, we now offer Demand AI for smarter audience targeting, RevAI for pricing intelligence, Smart DRI within our AI-powered channel manager for real-time rate and inventory optimization, Navigator AI for demand forecasting and decision clarity, AI Concierge for in-stay revenue expansion, and Viva voice AI for direct booking capture.
This intelligence spans marketing, pricing, distribution, and guest engagement. That integrated stack is really our moat.
Let me now talk about our organic growth and integration trajectory. The organic year-on-year growth for this quarter was in 4% to 5% range, primarily due to some December-end revenue getting deferred to January 2026.
Organic EBITDA for Q3 was 17.5%. Overall, we're confident of beating our FY 2026 RG organic revenue and EBITDA guidance, which was issued at the start of the financial year.
Organically, we should end the full year at 6% plus organic growth and between 17.5% to 18% EBITDA. 9-month bookings have seen over 30% year-on-year growth.
It's a strong lead indicator of future revenue. Our Q4 should see double-digit organic growth.
Combined with pipeline strength, cross-sell traction, product adoption, and the unified product motion underway, this gives us confidence in a return to double-digit organic growth in the current quarter and going forward. As integration synergies scale and our unified go-to-market motion matures, we expect operating leverage to improve progressively over the coming quarters, strengthening our platform and improving our long-term scalability.
Let me now talk about people and culture and how we're scaling with strength. With the addition of Sojern, we're now over 1,300-strong globally.
We harmonize policies and benefits across regions to truly build one RateGain. We were recognized as a Great Place to Work in India for the seventh consecutive year.
As we scale globally, culture becomes a competitive advantage. Now I want to talk about our ET Corporate Excellence Award.
This quarter, we were named Emerging Company of the Year at the ET Corporate Excellence Awards. This is one of India's most prestigious corporate recognition.
The jury comprises of highly respected business leaders, industry veterans, and institutional decision makers. To be recognized alongside some of the most iconic business leaders in the country, including this year's distinguished awardees, is both humbling and validating.
It reinforces the credibility of our acquisition strategy, the strength of our integrated platform thesis, the discipline of our execution, and the ambition of our long-term vision. It signals that RateGain is not just growing, it's being recognized at the highest institutional level.
In closing, Q3 was a quarter of integration and validation. We delivered 94% revenue growth, achieved $12 million in annualized integration synergies within 90 days of deal closure, grew adjusted PAT at 8%, turned Soho profitable, saw strong traction in AI Concierge product, won back a key Demand Booster client, began unifying Demand Booster and Sojern into an integrated commercial offering, launched Viva successfully, strengthened our DMO leadership position, advanced Navigator towards an AI-driven commercial clarity, and delivered 30% bookings growth as a leading indicator of organic acceleration.
We're building an integrated, AI-powered travel tech stack focused on guest acquisition, guest engagement, and guest wallet share expansion, and we're doing so with measurable outcomes. With that, I will now hand it over to Rohan to walk you through the financials.
Thank you.
Rohan Mittal
Thank you, Bhanu, and a very warm welcome to everyone on this call. It's a pleasure to connect with you all.
Starting with the update on the numbers for quarter 3 FY '26: We have reported our highest ever quarterly revenue of INR 540 crores. This revenue includes two months of Sojern's revenues getting consolidated for the first time.
It's important to note here that seasonally, November and December are the softest months in Sojern. RG organic continued to report strong numbers despite some quarter-end revenue getting deferred to Q4.
RG organic grew at 4.1% year-on-year and came in at INR 290 crores. You'll all recall that we had reported our highest ever revenue in Q2 at 295 crores.
Q3 has been able to maintain that trend. RG organic is poised to grow at double-digit growth in Q4 on the back of strong booking momentum leading to overall organic annual growth in line with the guidance issued at the start of the year.
Full year EBITDA percentage will also meet or exceed our guidance. RG organic Q3 EBITDA stood at 17.5%.
Sojern has reported full year's EBITDA percentage at about 14.4%. Consolidated EBITDA for Q3 stood at 16.1%.
We have reported PAT of INR 26.5 crores in this quarter. While Bhanu has touched upon this in his commentary, I'm going to explain this in bit more detail since I'm sure this is important to project EPS for FY '27 and beyond.
We can basically split the bridge from EBITDA to PAT into two parts: one-time and recurring. The one-time non-recurring amount which has been recognized in Q3 is INR 34.6 crores.
This basically largely includes M&A-related costs recorded as exceptional items as well as one-time impact of the change in labor laws. By adjusting for the one-time non-recurring exceptional cost, the PAT stood at INR 61.1 crores, representing a growth of 8% compared to same period last year.
Recurring charges include net finance costs, amortization of Sojern purchase consideration excluding goodwill. The amortization amount can be expected to be $2.8 to $3 million per quarter because the provisional PPA exercise is now complete.
A lot of you had questions around this in our earlier call and we just thought we should clarify this number. The finance cost is right now trending at $1.6 million per quarter.
This will keep reducing as we repay the principal. Q3 numbers factor in two-month impact of these costs.
Part of the deferred component of the overall deal, which is roughly $30 million, will be expensed over three years starting quarter 4 FY '26. This is in line with accounting standards.
This expense will see true-up, true-down in line with actuals since this payout is conditional in nature over a span of three years. Nothing from this bucket has been recognized in Q3 thus far.
As of now, this amount can be estimated at $2 to $2.5 million per quarter for 12 quarters starting Q4 FY '26. At an overall level, EBITDA to PAT conversion will see a recurring delta of close to about $6.6 to $6.9 million per quarter.
A large part of this will get covered through the cost synergies that we have already demonstrated, which translates into about $3 million per quarter. We are looking at additional revenue and cost synergies to make sure that the balance amounts are also negated.
This does not factor any revenue growth on the baseline, which obviously will be there. Further, I am happy to report that Sojern integration is progressing well and on track with respect to the goals that we had set up for execution by March 2026.
As Bhanu mentioned, we have managed to execute $12 million in annualized cost savings in phase one, and these are permanent in nature. These cost savings have been executed on a base of $24 million for the entire calendar year 2025 EBITDA of Sojern.
These savings will be partially visible in Q4 and fully visible Q1 FY '27 onwards. It's important to note here these savings only pertain to the G&A function, which was our area of focus during the first 90 days.
These savings alone should allow Sojern to get to the 18.5% to 19.5% EBITDA level going forward, and there is further room for expansion. The cash flow generation has been quite healthy in the past quarter.
The total 9-month cash flow from operations stands at approximately INR 150 crores. If we were to just look at the Q3 cash flow generation, we've done almost 70 crores in cash flow from operations in Q3, and that was partially the reason why we decided to prepay a large chunk of the loan that we had taken.
As on date, we continue to have a strong balance sheet. Our net worth currently is at 1,860 crores.
Our cash and cash equivalent balance as of 31st December was 362 crores. Net debt as on today is down to close to about 880 crores.
As we move to FY 2027, our immediate focus remains primarily twofold: successfully integrate Sojern and maintain the booking growth trajectory that we have registered in the 9 months of FY '26 and monetize them into revenue. With that, I would like to close my remarks, and we are happy to open the floor for questions.
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you very much, sir. We will now begin the question-and-answer session.
Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touch-tone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two.
Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles.
The first question is from the line of Deep Shah from BNK Securities. Please go ahead.
Hi,
Deep Shah
and thanks, guys, for such detailed opening remarks. Very useful.
I'm sure it has helped a lot of people in the call. One question I still had was, if you could provide some further clarity on how similar or different are the offerings of Sojern versus our MarTech.
Is there something very different in terms of the product profile, customer profile, receivables cycle? The context is that you guys mentioned that November-December is the weakest for Sojern.
Is there something very different in terms of geographies? I think some clarity over these things would be very useful.
That's just from my side. Thank you.
Bhanu Chopra
Rohan, I'll take the first part, and then you can address the question on the Q3 seasonality bit. This is our first acquisition where we've acquired a company with very, very similar offerings.
In fact, as I mentioned in my opening remarks, we were going head-on-head against Sojern in the destination management space, and we were literally the top two providers for the DMO segment. With the combination now, we've become a very, very dominant provider in this customer segment.
The offerings were very, very similar in nature, and as we bring the platforms together, one of the offerings was about measuring the efficacy of the digital marketing, and bringing the platforms together makes the measurable attribution a lot more effective, and our measurement product will be the only product available in the marketplace to measure the efficacy of your digital marketing dollars for DMOs. Both from a go-to-market perspective as well as combining the platform and the data that's available in it makes it very, very strong.
Similarly, on the property side, they were a more seasoned and mature and scaled player in digital marketing as opposed to our Demand Booster product. They were almost seven or eight times our size, and by bringing it together, we will be able to take advantage of the very high number of properties that they have, which is about 13,000, and be able to cross-sell and upsell our integrated tech stack, which is UNO, where we are able to combine all the capabilities to offer the ability to do guest acquisition, guest engagement, and guest wallet share expansion.
There are a couple of other capabilities that were part of our vision that we didn't have in our stack, especially around the AI Concierge that I talked about that enables in-stay engagement with their guests, and also is a great ancillary revenue generator for the customers, and we're very pleased to have that in our stack. Overall, even for the hotel property business, having this one integrated tech stack is very compelling and very powerful.
We would be one of the only few companies to possess all these capabilities in one unified platform. As I indicated, we're combining the Demand Booster and the Sojern digital marketing capabilities into one platform within this quarter.
In fact, from a go-to-market perspective, we have now a unified solution that we're taking to the market. Similarly, on the other segments like DMOs and the big corporate customers, we are unifying our GTM teams, and we are consulting Boston Consulting Group, BCG, to enable us to unify that GTM motion as well.
Rohan Mittal
Thanks, Bhanu. I'll pick up the second part, Deep.
Basically, the way to look at that is in the properties business, which is almost exactly similar to the Demand Booster program that we were running. The only difference is that Demand Booster was contributing less than 10% of our revenue pre-acquisition, and therefore, the seasonality in that business was not fully evident.
Although if you typically look at our numbers, Q3 revenue is slightly lower than Q2. That's the seasonality in that.
In the case of Sojern, the properties business contributes as much as 45% annually to the overall revenue pipe, which means that the seasonality will have some slightly more impact than what has been evident on the RateGain side of things. That's the only thing that we were calling out.
This is pure seasonality impact. It has no it's no it's not a sustainable business impact.
That business recovers in in Q1, sorry, Q4 of the next calendar year.
Deep Shah
Understood. This is very useful.
That's it from my side. Thank you.
Rohan Mittal
Thanks, Deep.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Naim Patel from Bastian Research.
Please go ahead.
Naim Patel
Hi. Thank you for this opportunity and congratulations on a good set of numbers.
My first question was for Rohan on some bookkeeping data points. How has our other older offerings such as Adara, organic offerings have grown in this quarter on a year-on-year basis as well as quarter-on-quarter basis for the MarTech segment?
Secondly on that front as well, if I see our EBITDA on a quarter-on-quarter basis organically, it has gone down from 18.2 to 17.5. Was that due to the acquisition-related expenses that we have not able to sustain it this way, or was there any other reason?
Rohan Mittal
The first question, the answer to that is that Adara has grown at about 19.8% year-on-year in Q3.
Naim Patel
Yeah.
Rohan Mittal
The answer to your second question, if you look at the numbers, we had given a guidance initially that our EBITDA percentage of 17% to 17.5% on an annualized basis. The primary reason was some investments that we were doing to accelerate GTM, and the ROI on those investments is evident to the fact that for the entire first 9 months, we've reported 30% plus in booking volumes, yeah, which we've never done before.
That's the only reason why you're seeing partial dip in the numbers. It's in line with the guidance and expectation that we had set up earlier at the start of the year.
It's important to note here is that we don't capitalize any costs, right? Whatever costs we are incurring is getting expensed straight away in the same financial year.
The delta from 18.2 to 17.5 does not include any M&A-related expenses. All M&A-related expenses have been called out as one-time exceptional costs, which is part of the 34.6 crore number that you'll see in the exceptional items.
Naim Patel
Understood. What was the growth for overall MarTech segment excluding Sojern?
You've mentioned Adara, but I wanted it completely, yeah.
Rohan Mittal
Sorry, come again, please.
Naim Patel
You had mentioned 19% growth on Adara, but excluding Sojern, we have other offerings in MarTech as well. For MarTech overall, excluding Sojern, what was our Y-o-Y growth?
Rohan Mittal
Close to about 11%, 11%, 11.5%.
Naim Patel
Understood. My second question was for Bhanu, that currently, there are many AI platforms coming in and there's some uncertainty in the market as well.
How do you see those offerings benefit our current offerings such as DaaS distribution, and which of them do you see come as a threat to our offerings, if that's the case at all? Some more clarity or color would be very helpful.
Bhanu Chopra
Both externally and internally, we have taken a lot of AI initiatives, and I covered some of them in my opening remarks. We launched our Viva product, which is an AI voice agent.
If you call a hotel, our AI agent will pick up the call and answer any questions around the hotel, or even make a booking or do any upgrades. Similarly, through Sojern acquisition, we acquired an in-stay AI Concierge platform.
If you're at a hotel and you have any questions about the hotel stay, for instance, where the gym is, what time is the breakfast open, the AI Concierge product, which is an AI, would answer any questions about things at the hotel, or suggest any activities or itineraries while you're in that destination. Then internally, from an engineering perspective, a large section of what we code now is AI-generated.
There are a bunch of vibe code projects that we have developed internally to streamline both our HR and finance functions. We're using AI from a support perspective as well.
To your other question about how disruptive can it be for our business: so I don't see it as a disruptor, I see it as an accelerator. I talked about a lot of those initiatives we are taking.
I think the fears about AI eating up SaaS are a little overblown. I, in fact, wrote a LinkedIn post also on it.
I think in our case, the fact that we have the domain context is a great advantage to us, and this kind of fear also came around when cloud companies came about, and it was feared that the cloud companies would get into the areas of SaaS and completely disrupt them. Ultimately, what happened was SaaS grew as a result of the cloud companies.
I see a similar pattern play out here as well, where I don't see it as an disruptor, but I see it as an accelerator.
Naim Patel
Thank you very much, Rohan and Bhanu. That's all from my side, and best of luck to you.
Rohan Mittal
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Parth Agarwal from Bastian Research.
Please go ahead.
Parth Agarwal
Hi. Thank you for the opportunity.
I have just one question. In FY '26, we have essentially decided to do a lot of GTM marketing, and the benefit of which is also visible in our order wins in the last two, three quarters.
Is there any other benchmark or success rate that you're seeing that this entire exercise has been fruitful for us? Hello?
Hello.
Rohan Mittal
If you look at our GTM investments, the total investment Hi. I hope I'm audible.
Parth Agarwal
Yes,
Rohan Mittal
you are audible. Perfect.
If you refer to our guidance which we had issued last year around similar time, we had proposed that we'll be adding close to about $5 to $6 million, which was roughly 4% of our EBITDA at that time, back in building out our GTM teams. Now we have gone ahead and executed that strategy over the last 9 months, 9 to 12 months.
The impact, as you rightly said, is evident in the order book. That to us is the single largest ROI calculator.
Obviously, that order book has to translate into revenue. That's point number one.
Point number two, when a new sales team is onboarded, there is a time given for the sales team in terms of booking targets as to what can they achieve in the first 6 to 12 months, right? They cannot start performing to their 100% potential in the first 6 to 12 months, as you can imagine.
The next financial year, some of those targets will also get reset, which would reflect in the FY '27 guidance that we will issue on our May call, analyst call. The growth rates that we pick up in the businesses where we've invested in the GTM team, those businesses should ideally look at a much stronger organic growth rate in FY '27 and beyond on the back of successful hiring and successful execution of the whole GTM strategy.
Does that answer your question?
Parth Agarwal
Yes. The GTM of the $5-6 million that you deployed, was it more towards hiring the sales team and building the sales team, or it was more something like a one-time marketing kind of an expense?
Rohan Mittal
No. It's not a one-time marketing expense.
A majority of it has gone in terms of payroll for new people who have been hired in the GTM function. This would largely include sellers, but it would also include a proportionate amount of customer success managers and account managers.
In addition to that, there is a very small portion that would have been allocated to tools, GTM enabling tools, and some investment in our revenue ops team, which is basically an strong catalyst and enabler for the entire GTM team to perform. In the direct support functions, there would have been a small investment, in tools there would be a small investment.
Large part would be pure GTM payroll.
Parth Agarwal
Got it. Essentially, the team that you have built this year, they are to start performing next year for us, are now margins to normalize to 20%, 22% kind of a level?
Is that understanding correct?
Rohan Mittal
See, this is a common dichotomy that we all face on a day-in, day-out basis to prioritize revenue growth versus to deliver best-in-class EBITDA percentage. Right?
Given a choice, if we see any whitespace where we believe we can add more people and therefore gain market share, profitable market share, we will not hesitate to go ahead and do that going forward also. The guidance that we've given at the start of this year is that going forward, if we are capable of delivering 20% to 20.5% EBITDA on a sustainable basis, would much rather invest back 1% to 2% of that EBITDA in adding strength to our GTM team and other functions ahead of the curve.
We are not going ahead and issuing guidance for FY '27 right now, but that is the philosophy that we've followed there.
Parth Agarwal
Got it. That's all from my side.
Thank you so much, and best of luck.
Rohan Mittal
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Deepak Poddar from Sapphire Capital.
Please go ahead.
Deepak Poddar
Yeah. Am I audible, sir?
Hello.
Rohan Mittal
Am I audible?
Operator
Yes, you're audible.
Rohan Mittal
Deepak, we can hear you.
Deepak Poddar
Yep, thank you very much for this opportunity, sir. Sir, just wanted to understand, this quarter, we had about consolidation of two months of revenue from Sojern, right?
How much was that?
Rohan Mittal
250 crores.
Deepak Poddar
Oh, 250 crores. At margins of what, 14.4%?
Would that be right?
Rohan Mittal
Roughly, yes.
Deepak Poddar
Okay. Understood.
You also mentioned about synergies of around $12 million we have already seen in terms of cost savings in 100 days, which kind of will help you to reach 18.5% to 19% EBITDA margin going forward. When it will be visible?
Will it be visible from fourth quarter itself or it will take two, three quarters for us to see that kind of margins? This margins we are talking about on a consol basis, right?
Rohan Mittal
The margins are applicable to Sojern, right, but they should be visible in the consol results. If you look at Q4, you'll see part of these margins coming in because some of these initiatives have been executed in January or early February, but they're all executed as we speak today.
Q1, you should see the entire impact visible in the P&L.
Deepak Poddar
Come again, sir. I missed that just last point.
Rohan Mittal
I'm saying some of these $12 million integration levers have been executed during January and early February as well, yeah, the current month that we are speaking in. As of today, they're 99.99% executed.
In Q4, therefore, you'll see a partial uptick. In Q1, you should see a full impact of this $12 million annualized number, $3 million in the quarter, visible in Q1.
Deepak Poddar
Okay. Understood.
Ideally, if I have to look first quarter, this impact is visible, your 18.5% to 19% kind of margins in Sojern, and the base business margins stands at around 17.5% to 18%. Consolidated margin should be somewhere in between, right, ideally given the revenue sway we might be having?
That's right.
Rohan Mittal
You're absolutely right.
Deepak Poddar
Okay. Understood.
In terms of FY '27, you mentioned we look at much stronger organic growth, right? Any range we are looking at?
Given I think this fourth quarter we are targeting what, double-digit kind of a growth, right, and this quarter was little on the lower side. How should one look at the organic growth FY '27?
Rohan Mittal
Q4, 50% is already behind us. I can say with reasonable confidence that you will be able to see a double-digit organic growth on the RG side of things, excluding Sojern, in Q4.
We will start issuing FY '27 guidance in the month of May. That's the typical trend that we've maintained.
We'll stick to that. I see no reason why, if you're delivering double-digit organic growth in Q4, I see no reason why we should not be able to continue that trend on the back of the strong booking momentum that we've seen in the first 9 months of this year.
Deepak Poddar
Okay. A double-digit is quite a possibility for FY '27 as well.
That's what—
Rohan Mittal
Yes. Please wait for us to issue formal guidance.
Yeah?
Deepak Poddar
Fair point. Just last thing on the EBITDA margin, that the point that you're making to the last participant of 20%, 20.5% is what our threshold margin would be, and any incremental, we would like to invest back in the business.
With that philosophy, we would be working there?
Rohan Mittal
What I said to the last participant was that 20% is something that we can sustainably deliver. Yeah?
We have done 21 also, but 20%, 20.5% is something that we can sustainably deliver. Our intent would be to reinvest up to 10% of that EBITDA, which takes it to 18%, 18.5%, right, to reinvest 10% in growth and investment cases wherever we are satisfied with the ROI, the risk parameters are within our acceptable range and things like that.
It's not a necessary investment every year, but wherever we can find those whitespaces, we will actively reinvest ahead of the curve.
Deepak Poddar
Okay. Effectively, at 18% would be a sustainable long-term margins that one might look at for this business on a consol
Rohan Mittal
basis? 18%, 18.5%.
18%, 18.5% with Sojern consolidated is something that we are looking to deliver.
Deepak Poddar
Okay. Okay.
Okay.
Operator
Sorry to interrupt, sir.
Deepak Poddar
I'm done. Thank you very much, sir.
Wish you all the best. Thank you.
Rohan Mittal
Thank you. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Miten Shah from an individual investor.
Please go ahead.
Miten Shah
Yes. Hello.
Am I audible?
Rohan Mittal
Yes, Miten.
Miten Shah
Thanks a lot for giving opportunity and heartiest congratulations, Bhanu. I don't know if you recollect or not.
I'd asked you whether we'll be able to meet the 2,000 crore target that you had set for FY '27. It seems that we might very well achieve this by the end of next quarter or maybe Q1 FY '27.
Heartiest congratulations for that, and really appreciate the hard work that you have done for this and the entire team. My next question would be, having said that, we have almost achieved doubling the revenue of so-called 2,000 crore well before FY '27, what would be the next target?
Bhanu Chopra
Internally, we have set a goal of a billion dollars by 2030.
Miten Shah
Oh, that's too far away. Okay.
Sir,
Bhanu Chopra
it's only four years away.
Miten Shah
Okay. I've been almost four years invested as of now.
Bhanu Chopra
If you look at our history, we are now 10 times the revenue when we came into the public markets. We were about 300 crores, and now we are run-rating close to 3,000 crores.
So 10x in four years. With that space, I feel quite comfortable we just need to do 3x from here.
Miten Shah
No, I'm equally excited to be going along with this company since almost last four years. I really love the way the company is working.
My next question would be, Bhanu, I've been seeing a lot of small companies emerging from India, D2C companies offering hotel management suites. I had even asked earlier regarding a company named Guestara.
I don't know if you recollect. I see some more names like Anticipatory and all those.
Are we by any chance just casting a glance to these companies as to what are they doing and could they be a potential acquisition or a threat, or how you may be able to foresee from this names? Are we going through this names by any chance?
Bhanu Chopra
We maintain a very, very active M&A machinery. We have a dedicated team.
We run a robust corporate dev program, and we continuously looking at all kinds of companies, and I'm sure we've gone through some of these names as well. The database that we have is of over 1,000 companies, and we are constantly evaluating them on merit.
Wherever we see an opportunity, we progress our conversation. I can tell you right now, it's definitely must be evaluated by our teams, but it hasn't shown up on my radar.
I think if there is some merit, it will show up on my radar.
Miten Shah
Yeah. No, these are very small, and I had received a response that the company is normally looking for anyone which is $5 million onwards, and these are pretty much smaller.
I can understand. The only thing is because I see a lot of names cropping up from this sectors?
That was first. That's all from my side, and I've really enjoyed this ride since almost last four years, and wish you all the best and heartiest congratulations once again.
Thanks a lot, Bhanu.
Bhanu Chopra
Thank you. Thank you, sir.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Anmol Garg from DAM Capital.
Please go ahead.
Anmol Garg
Hi. Thanks for the opportunity.
A couple of things that I wanted to understand: Firstly, if I look at our total customers, that has not increased despite Sojern acquisition coming in. Does that mean that in most of the customers there is an overlap between Sojern and RateGain?
Rohan Mittal
No. I'll take that.
Hi, Anmol. What we are doing is we are re-evaluating the methodology through which we report our customer count, right, because there's a difference in the way we look at customers in a parent-child grouping versus how Sojern looks at it.
This quarter, we have just shown the Sojern count of customers as is. In the next quarter, you'll see a harmonized count of customers.
Yeah? The overlap is less than 5% at an overall level.
Anmol Garg
Okay. The current customers count is basically the RateGain customer count, Sojern is not included in this number?
Rohan Mittal
The current RateGain customer count hovers at around 3,200. Sojern talks about 13 to 14,000 customers.
Yeah? We didn't want to just add the two and report it.
It didn't make sense to us because the methodologies are different. We'll report a harmonized number Q4 onwards.
That's the individual customer count.
Anmol Garg
Okay. Secondly, if I look at our DaaS revenue on a sequential basis, then it's more or less range-bound.
However, two months of Sojern acquisition has been taken place in this quarter. Just wanted to understand how is the classification over there.
Rohan Mittal
Sojern does not have any revenue which is getting classified in DaaS. That was only the case for the Adara business.
Yeah? Sojern entirely sits in the MarTech division.
Excluding the Adara DaaS business, which, Anmol, you'll recall, we've been sharing active commentary on this. Strategically, it did not make sense for us, so that business has been gradually unwinding.
If there's no rush to unwind it, but it's been gradually unwinding. If you were to exclude that business, our DaaS business is growing at 10% to 12% year-on-year.
Anmol Garg
Understood. Thirdly is that, should we expect that the initial investment cycle that we were doing for our revived GTM strategy is now largely complete or there would be some impact of that in the fourth quarter as well?
Rohan Mittal
No. Other than a few offers which might be pending for rolling out, yeah, as part of the original investment plan, and the sustainable accrual of the payroll expenses, there is no other expense item that's likely to hit Q4.
Right? If a person has joined in November, the full payroll has not reflected in the Q3 numbers.
To that extent, there'll be true-ups.
Anmol Garg
From that perspective, should we expect that on a sequential basis, basically, our margins should inch up in fourth quarter?
Rohan Mittal
Yes, not just because of that, but a few other reasons, expecting better than Q3 margins in Q4.
Anmol Garg
Okay. Understood.
That's all from my side. Thank you so much.
Rohan Mittal
Thanks, Anmol.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Aditya Jhawar from AK Investments.
Please go ahead.
Aditya Jhawar
Thanks for the opportunity. I have a few questions related to Sojern.
Is Sojern reporting gross revenue or it is net revenue only?
Rohan Mittal
Gross revenue, in line with what we've been reporting on MHS and Adara side of business because the businesses are almost exactly the same.
Aditya Jhawar
Okay. RateGain, we, as a company, we generally have net revenues, right?
Rohan Mittal
No. Adara, MHS, which are the comparable businesses for Sojern, we've been reporting gross revenue, accounting policies, revenue recognition policies are absolutely consistent, no change.
Aditya Jhawar
Okay. What is the net revenue for Sojern?
Rohan Mittal
We will avoid reporting those granular numbers.
Aditya Jhawar
My question to Bhanu is a little broader one. Bhanu, what are your top priorities right now going FY '27, because you know that we have now this Sojern asset and RateGain asset, and we are building a lot of AI stuff underneath the companies, right?
What are your top priorities on top of your mind for next year or upcoming one or two years for the RateGain to build or leverage on this AI tools or stack or whatever comes to your mind?
Bhanu Chopra
Yeah. I think from a product perspective, we have a very comprehensive set of capabilities that we have built and acquired.
Some of them are at infancy stage, and some of them are at a tipping point to scale. Really, focus is now accelerating on the products that we have already built or acquired through the Sojern acquisition.
A lot of focus on GTM and unifying teams. As I mentioned, our big effort right now is consolidating our go-to-market teams in Adara and Sojern for the DMO and the corporate customer segment where we see a massive opportunity.
Given in DMOs, we will be in a very, very dominant position, and that should give us significant pricing power as well. On the property side, I am very, very excited about realizing our vision of having this integrated tech stack that can pretty much do everything from a guest acquisition, guest retention, engagement, and guest wallet share expansion perspective.
We have invested quite significantly, as Rohan mentioned, about $5 to $6 million, and a large portion of that went into building our APAC teams. It's showing in our numbers from a bookings perspective, but I feel we haven't seen the full benefit of all the investments that we have made.
Now that we have such a powerful and compelling value proposition, I see massive opportunity to dominate in the APAC region as well, which something that historically we haven't really focused on. Net-net, I think key priority will be to really calibrate our go-to-market motions because I see significant opportunity and significant acceleration in our organic growth.
I think we will have some bumps, but I feel very, very confident that we're poised for a very, very good growth in the next couple of years.
Aditya Jhawar
If I understand, basically, you are happy with the products, whatever we have, but your most focus is on go-to-market strategy because we have the right asset in the place. Is my understanding right?
Bhanu Chopra
Yes, that's absolutely right. That's the right way to sum it up.
Aditya Jhawar
Yeah. One more thing: In this agentic world, right, a lot of agents are coming through, and are we also putting the company in the right shape that we have internal teams who are dedicatedly working on this agent and AI stack so that whatever the vision we have for a billion dollar, we have to be making sure that the internal teams are also, as right, a lot of stuffs are being written through AI.
How much are we putting efforts there also, because I know you're happy with the product, but in order to move one step ahead and gain more margins for our business, right? Are we also putting leaders over there who are upfront on the AI side?
Bhanu Chopra
Yeah. Let me reinforce, like I was saying earlier, even from our perspective, whatever products we're building now, half of the code that we write is AI-generated.
Pretty much all across teams, we have large initiatives that our HR department is leading on how AI can lead to automation and productivity gains, and pretty much across all our teams, we have introduced vibe coding and built AI tools to get these productivity gains. For instance, in HR, we're using an AI agent to answer any queries or questions and provide HR support.
We have an AI agent from a talent acquisition perspective. Similarly, we are using it in much faster prototyping in new ideas.
What used to take us several months to build and prototype now can be done in weeks and days. There is a concentrated effort and continuously to promote this culture grounds up.
Then there is a cross-functional team also that's dedicated on understanding new capabilities that are emerging and how that can be put to use. See, AI has a huge opportunity, but it's very, very important to use it as an enabler with an end outcome in sight.
We're defining those end outcomes and basis that, devoting our energies in delivering those outcomes.
Aditya Jhawar
Right. Great.
Last question I have: Basically, I know that we are putting a lot of efforts on the products, and you also said a couple of years back that the products whatever you are building are a very high margin, these kind of thing, right? Now with the acquisition, I know the base is large.
What is the aspiration you have being a product tech company, and we know that the cost might not go up if we have the operating leverage in the business, right? Where would you like to see the margin over a long run?
What is the juncture you see internally, the product pipeline, that can gain as a very big margin expansion? Currently people are afraid of the SaaS, but I think with this AI, the SaaS product companies can gain more and more market share and be the best there in this AI.
What is the aspiration you have, Bhanu, on this? That's my—
Bhanu Chopra
I think Rohan addressed this in his commentary earlier. Our goals will be to be between that 18% to 20% range, and we will continue to reinvest additional margins back into the business, because as I stated earlier, the aspiration or the next goal in our mind is to hit a billion dollars in revenue.
The market is there, the opportunity is there, and we need to continue to accelerate. We'll continue to reinvest wherever we get the confidence that we have clear conviction that additional investments will deliver the ROI we expect.
We'll continue to invest. We're very comfortable with that 18% to 20% margin profile and reinvesting the balance to gain more growth.
Aditya Jhawar
Right. Thanks, Bhanu.
All the best.
Operator
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, due to time constraint, that was the last question.
I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for the closing comments.
Bhanu Chopra
Thank you, everyone, for your support. As I indicated, this was a transformative quarter for RateGain.
We are very excited about the opportunity ahead, and we will continue to deliver on the promises that we have made. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you, sir. On behalf of RateGain Travel Technologies Limited, that concludes this conference.
Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.
Rohan Mittal
Thank you.
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