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Q1 FY2027 · Earnings Call TranscriptJuly 30, 2026

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Redington Limited Q1 FY27 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions at the end of today's presentation.

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I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. VS Hariharan, Managing Director and Group Chief Executive Officer of the company.

Thank you, and over to you, sir.

V.S. Hariharan

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us.

Q1 FY27 has been an exceptional quarter for Redington and a strong start to the new financial year, both from a revenue and a profitability perspective. Technology continues to accelerate dramatically.

At the same time, geopolitical instability, regional conflicts, supply chain shifts, and economic uncertainty continues to create new pressures across markets. Our resilience, combined with disciplined execution, was instrumental in a good set of results this quarter.

During the quarter, we recorded consolidated revenue of ₹34,966 crores, reflecting a growth of 34% year-on-year. EBITDA stood at ₹751 crores, a growth of 67% year-on-year, and PAT stood at ₹486 crores, a growth of 77% year-on-year.

The profit growth significantly outpaced the revenue growth, reflecting strong revenue momentum as well as significant operating leverage in the business. Considering it is the first quarter, which normally happens to be a low-seasonality quarter, combined with the West Asia crisis continuing to pose some business and supply chain challenges, the results really make us proud.

Excluding Arena, the revenue grew 41% year-on-year at ₹33,794 crores, and a profit of ₹517 crores, the best ever. This quarter reinforces the continuing story of profitable growth across our business.

It also reflects the strength of our diversified model, our ability to scale with discipline, and continued progress on the strategic priorities we have been articulating over the last several quarters. From a geography perspective, India business grew top line by 63% and PAT by 60% during the quarter, clearly the star geography for us.

All the business units in India—Mobility, End Point Solutions, Technology Solutions, Software Solutions—all fired with strong double-digit growth. There was continued strong traction in the upcountry business, good amount of data center deals from neo-cloud operators.

Professional services business grew triple digit this quarter. Digital platform adoption also grew.

We deepened our penetration in our very unique routes to market like direct to retail, regional large format retail. Even GTMs like quick commerce gave us some scale.

In Middle East, the geopolitical tensions continued through the entire quarter. However, we did see strong growth in the value and PC categories.

Middle East Africa region grew by 15% despite the crisis there during the quarter, largely on the back of strong growth in the GCC and the Levant region at 95% and Africa at 39%, driven by greater IT adoption, mobility, and increased contribution from software solutions group. UAE and Kingdom of Saudi Arabia were flat to a small degrowth, where we expect to see recovery as the West Asia crisis gets to resolution.

Now moving on to quarterly performance by business units. The breadth of our business gives us resilience, relevance with vendors and partners, and multiple engines for future growth.

All the BUs this quarter contributed very well. Starting with Mobility, it grew 21% year-on-year, contributing to 35% of the top line, driven by strong demand in the premium segment, and continued strong execution in the direct retail segment in India during the quarter, and entry into new geographies in the Middle East region aided this performance.

The performance here could have been better if the product supply supported demand. End Point Solutions grew 35% year-on-year, contributing to 29% of the top line.

The growth here was led largely by component shortage-induced price increases. AI PC penetration into the commercial segment continued to grow, with 36% of the revenues in India from AI PCs, which are greater than 40 TOPS definition.

The Technology Solutions Group had a growth of 50%, contributing to 17% of the top line. All product categories—server, storage, and networking—fired well this quarter.

There was a good chunk from large deals of nearly ₹1,000 crores during the quarter, most of these being in India in the data center category, with a visibility of strong deal pipeline for the rest of the year. Now coming to Software Solutions Group, we maintained our momentum of growth.

We grew by 52%, the highest across the business units, contributing to 17% of the top line. We continue to grow our partnerships with the Tier 1 OEMs and hyperscalers, adding many new brands as well.

We are also making sure that we are adding existing brands in some of the geographies where we did not have these brands. We are increasing our solution intensity in the go-to-market, building joint business plans with key brands to drive wallet share.

Also, this quarter we saw roll out of many new capabilities we've been talking about in our platform, CQ. We rolled out a RionX capability, a proprietary subscription renewal automation platform, TrackMyCloud, a cloud usage and optimization tool integrated with CloudQuarks.

We had also rolled out an AI exchange we had mentioned in the previous call, a marketplace for AI agent catalog for vertical and horizontal use case, which is beginning to generate revenues and momentum in the GTM. We had conducted during the quarter an SSG Day, where we shared our Software Solutions Group strategy as well as the capabilities we are building.

I'm also delighted to announce that Redington has earned the Microsoft's Frontier Partner designation, an honor reserved for a select group of partners globally. The recognition underscores our readiness for the AI era and our ability to help customers harness the power of AI through innovative solutions and services.

Now coming to our OEM partners, the top 10 brands contributed to a significant chunk of the business this quarter, 75%, registering strong double-digit growth. Each of the brands in our top 10 had a double-digit growth.

The top 10 now has a good balance of hardware, software, and networking brands. This was one of the questions I remember about 4, 5 quarters back that was asked, and now we have a good balance of all of these categories.

Moving on to operations, our working capital discipline remains an important area of focus. Working capital days improved to 32 days in Q1 '27 from 37 in Q1 '26.

ROCE was at 22%. Our OpEx control continues to be very good, slower than revenue growth, giving us significant operating leverage.

Now coming to Arena, from a Q1 perspective, there was a loss of ₹64 crores, Redington portion being 31. The continued losses are due to the lower revenue after exiting the Mobility business in Arena, and also the divestment of Paynet.

There is also a gross margin compression in the existing IT business now. To bring in the operating leverage, we have to restructure the business focusing on Turkey-specific growth levers in a dollar-denominated business.

There is work to do here to getting the Turkey business to the right direction. To summarize, Q1 '27 has been a quarter of very strong growth, with all businesses and most geographies firing, strong resilience, disciplined execution.

We have started the year with a healthy momentum in revenue, EBITDA, and PAT, while continuing to improve working capital efficiency and maintaining strong return ratios. More importantly, the business continues to move in the direction we had envisioned: scaling our core, strengthening our value business, both SSG and TSG, investing in cloud, cybersecurity, and AI, and building technology-enabled routes to market for the future.

We continue to remain entrenched in the top 10 tech distribution players globally, not being present in US, Europe, and China. Based on the information published by the Omdia Group, we continue to retain our strong number one position in India and Middle East Africa region as well, in addition to being in the top 10.

What does this mean to us? This clearly provides us many advantages: we get a preferred partner status with large vendors, better economics through scale, access to best resellers and customers in the market, ability to shape ecosystems, attract new vendors, stronger credit and financing platform, platform expansion opportunities.

It clearly provides us strategic relevance in the AI era. As AI solutions become more complex, customers need orchestration across multiple categories and brands, and we are in a position to bring that, and we are working also on enhancing all the capabilities for us to be able to be relevant as an orchestrator.

Finally, it is only appropriate that we take this opportunity to recognize our teams, the Redingtonians, who continuously put their best foot forward to achieve good results quarter after quarter. Want to specifically recognize our people serving in sensitive and conflict-affected regions in different parts of the world.

Their dedication, courage, and professionalism have ensured business continuity and strengthened our relationships under very challenging circumstances. While we remain mindful of macroeconomic and market uncertainties, we remain confident about our evolving business mix and our ability to deliver sustainable long-term value.

Technology adoption across continues to create meaningful opportunities for Redington. Thank you for your continued support.

We look forward to your questions.

Operator

Thank you very much, sir. We will now begin the question and answer session.

Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press * and 1 on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press * and 2.

Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll wait for a moment while the question queue assembles.

We have our first question from the line of Deepak from Unifi Capital. Please go ahead.

Deepak Lalwani

Hari, SVK, hi, good morning, and congrats on a phenomenal quarter of execution. A couple of questions.

The first one is, of course, the chipset pricing around the world has been a reality. To that extent, Hari, do you reckon there's been a lot of pre-buying that the channel might have taken, anticipating a price hike, and the price hike is actually a real phenomenon.

That's the first question. If that's so, if you could quantify how much of our phenomenal performance in Q1 might have actually been driven by pre-buying?

As a corollary, Hari, what is your sense of the channel sales in terms of, has inventory level gone up significantly, and is there any one particular hardware refresh cycle that is kind of driving this kind of momentum? Yeah, 3 3 questions bundled into one.

I'll come back for the little follow-up. Hello?

Sir, are you there?

V.S. Hariharan

We're there.

Deepak Lalwani

Can you hear us? Oh, sorry.

Yeah.

V.S. Hariharan

Sorry. Thanks, Deepak, for the question.

I'll restart the answer. We were muted for a few seconds.

If I were to answer the question, I think largely the phenomenon is really focused on ESG, the End Point Solutions Group, because in the case of Software Solutions, this is not impact price increases. Mobility, while there is price increases, it's a velocity business, there is very little stocking, and it just moves through the channel.

Similar in Technology Solutions, you can say, because a lot of the orders are back-to-back. It was largely a phenomenon on stock and sell for the PC business in End Point Solutions Group.

Clearly, if you look at the numbers, the unit growth has been more or less flat to a single-digit growth. The revenue is large, as you can see, as I shared, and that's driven by the average selling price.

Clearly, there is a stocking up of channels that is happening. Our Tier 2 is stocking up in view of the demand and also trying to make some money at the moment in terms of stocking up as the prices continue to go up.

We're closely watching it. We believe there is about 2 to 3 months of inventory in the channel, and we're watching it closely so that we remain healthy at all times.

That is definitely a phenomenon on the ESG business alone on the stock and sell side.

S.V. Krishnan

We can also add this inventory build-up is across the channel, just not at the customer level, also with the distributors because you need to ensure that there is adequate product availability. Otherwise, on-demand products are not available from the OEMs.

Deepak Lalwani

Okay. Sir, my follow-up to that, if there has been a good demand from the TSG side, if you can quantify, you said ₹1,000 crores of large deals, what's the outlook on the large deal, that is one.

The mobile business seems to be growing at a very fast rate past 2 quarters, what is really leading to this, and do you think this momentum, given your distribution efforts, seems to be a more consistent and an ongoing one for a few more quarters? If you can share your view on the India business, specially the TSG and the mobile side.

V.S. Hariharan

Let me start taking a little bit of deeper dive on the large deal. The good news is there has been good momentum on the run-rate, small-deal kind of business, but we have also had a good chunk of data center deals.

I mentioned ₹1,000 crores. About ₹700-odd crores comes from the India side of the business and the data center part of the business.

The funnel actually on the data center side looks pretty good, even many multiples of that ₹1,000 crores for the next few quarters. Definitely, it looks very promising, the data center business and the backlog we have as well as the funnel we have.

That will continue. Clearly, you can see with the disruption in the West Asia, there is a maxing out of data center capacity in Europe.

With all of that and the tax holiday that Indian government has announced, there is a movement of a lot of customers wanting to host in India, and that's driving a lot of neo-cloud operators trying to set up and access that opportunity. That you will continue to see, and we will take our fair portion and our share of that business.

Now coming to Mobility, it's a very interesting phenomenon that has happened over the last year. If you look at the last year's number on smartphones in India, there has been a 1% growth on overall smartphones, but the premium part has grown many multiples, 8x.

You can clearly see the brands in the premium phone category have gained share. We have actually got advantage of that because three brands that we carry and distribute are all in the premium category.

Now having said that, the price increases are definitely having an impact and slowing down the demand and the consumer purchase. We've got to watch closely to continue to see because there are clearly people who are in the price-sensitive categories who are jumping up 1 or 2 categories to buying a premium phone, and as the premium phone price increases and getting out of reach, will that demand continue or not, we have to see.

Clearly, we can see one more quarter of that kind of demand continuing, but beyond this quarter, with price hikes, will we get the same kind of demand, we don't know, we'll have to watch and see.

Deepak Lalwani

Sure, that's encouraging to hear, sir. Sir, I'll go on to the Middle East side.

In UAE and Saudi, you had mentioned that the sales were flat this quarter, and we had started with a 20% drop. I just wanted to understand the demand situation in these two countries currently.

How has July started, and what's the outlook on these two geographies? With specific to the supply chain, given the closure of the Strait, are we able to get supplies with consistency, and also the freight related to these supplies, are we able to pass on the freight costs to our end customers as well?

Thanks.

V.S. Hariharan

Okay. Let me answer two out of the three, and I will request Krishnan to answer the cost part of it.

I think we have largely been able to manage the supply chain. There is a delay, we'll have to plan better because we are getting the product in through both combination of air and sea.

Sea, we are getting to ports which are not going through the Straits of Hormuz, like Jebel Ali, for example. We are going to different places like Fujairah and others.

Largely supply chain problem, getting product to the customers in UAE and in Saudi is happening. There may be a delay of 30 days, and we're just factoring that in into our overall equation.

There is a cost increase, clearly, both on freight and warehousing. I'll just request Krishnan, some of it we pass on to customers, some of it we have to pick up, and there are specific cost increases which are captured in our OpEx this quarter.

Now in terms of demand, clearly there is some softening of demand. There has been a -3% or 4% decline in the UAE business and a slightly larger decline in the Saudi business this quarter.

I said flat because it's close to 0, -3%, etc. We have good demand on Software Solutions.

We're still getting some decent amount of pick up on Technology Solutions. Mobility, we were constrained by capacity, and we also got the price increase, that advantage.

If you look at government buying, if you look at corporate buying, the ones that started are continuing, but the new projects are being pushed out and postponed till things settle. Clearly we're seeing some softening, but not to the extent of what we thought, it could be a 20% decline.

It's better than that, but we are definitely seeing the softening in few sectors. Over to answer, Krishnan.

S.V. Krishnan

On the cost, like Hari had said, there had been certain one-off costs that had come in. We discussed in the last call, too.

This is primarily in the transportation and insurance. Pre-war, almost about 85 percentage of our purchases used to be through sea shipments, which all have got converted into air.

You can imagine the increase in price. Also certain war-related insurance policies got withdrawn, we had to take some additional policy.

A lot of increase in cost, about $3 million for the quarter. As Hari said, a good part of it we could recover, but not all.

This is something that we need to be watchful.

Deepak Lalwani

Understood. Sir, last question on your Turkey business...

Operator

Sorry to interrupt you, Deepak. Can we please request you to rejoin the queue?

Deepak Lalwani

Sure.

Operator

Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Vinay Menon from Monarch Capital.

Please go ahead.

Vinay Menon

Hey, good morning. Thanks for the opportunity and congratulations on a great set of numbers.

Couple of questions from my end. We've seen Lenovo as a share go up in terms of total contribution.

Any specific large deal we have tracked there, or what could be the reason for that?

S.V. Krishnan

It is mainly because as a brand they have done extremely well, and we have also done well in that brand. That's the reason.

Vinay Menon

Okay. In terms of calling out the number for large deals in Q1, looks like we've closed couple of large deals.

Any update from that?

S.V. Krishnan

Okay. Hari had mentioned this for the previous question.

While about ₹1,000 crores is the large deal revenue for the current quarter, majorly from India, the backlog is far more. That should get executed in the next few quarters.

Vinay Menon

Okay. Now since ASPs are at the levels they are, how should we look at seasonality, because Q1 is typically a weaker quarter and Q2 is a significantly strong quarter.

I think now with higher ASPs, that trend might be a little different. How should we look at the next few quarters going ahead, sir?

V.S. Hariharan

I wish I could answer that question. We were surprised at the pick up this quarter being a low-seasonality quarter, but clearly there are many factors in play.

See, Q2, clearly there is a festive season or it's more like Q3, combination of Q2 and Q3. See, normally what happens is Q2 is a mobility NPI that happens, which gives us a lot of pick up, and Q3 is the festive season, and Q4 is the end of the year.

This shortage in supply, the data center deals that are happening, that is actually throwing a spin on all of these. We can see that Q2 definitely we expect a good strong quarter.

Q3, as we march to the festive season, there should be a good pick up, but post-festive season, we don't know. We are playing this now a little bit of a quarter at a time and see the phenomenon, because the price increase in PCs and smartphones will clearly, at some point, have a dampening effect on consumer buying and consumer demand.

Maybe commercial buying may still continue because that's mandatory for people to refresh cycles, etc. We are not able to exactly play it out.

We have some guesses, but we can't strongly with conviction say this is what is going to happen for the rest of the year.

Vinay Menon

Okay. Lastly, in MSG, in the ROW part, Q2 are we expecting some recovery, because Q2 is generally a strong quarter for MSG, what are your thoughts on that?

V.S. Hariharan

Again, this will depends very much on the NPI. We normally get a good NPI lift this quarter, but till we know that this NPI is confirmed, there is a lot of speculation on the range of SKUs and products that'll be in the NPI, and so that will drive it.

Clearly, if the NPI happens this quarter and there is a good spread of SKUs, we will have a good bump up, but if it is only high-end SKUs, then the Middle East Africa region will get a bump up, but India is typically they accept the low...

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the management has been disconnected. Please wait for a while while we reconnect the management.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for patiently waiting. We have the management back with us.

Over to you, sir.

S.V. Krishnan

Hari, we don't know where we got cut. Did our answer was complete?

Vinay Menon

Yes, sir. Yes.

Just one last thing on SSG, 52% kind of growth. What are the drivers there and what kind of numbers can we look forward for full year?

Thank you.

V.S. Hariharan

If you know the different parts of the SSG business, cloud is continuing to do well and is our strongest growth driver, followed by software. Within software, we have infra software, we have verticals like Autodesk, and so that software part of the business also grew well.

Security did well, but we expect a lot more. We want to gain share of the wallet there, and that's probably a little bit slower growth compared to the other two.

Services, as I mentioned earlier, did fantastic. We almost double our business this quarter on professional services.

We continue to ramp that in many directions, both working with large companies like the SIs, like the data centers to be able to work on joint initiatives on professional services as well as creating productized services. That part of the business is growing.

Clearly, cloud, software, and services are the three areas that are really creating momentum for us, and security we need to pick up.

S.V. Krishnan

On the cloud, previously this used to get reported, we have seen overall a 67% year-on-year growth, 55% in SCSA and 80% in rest of the world. You can see a significant spike is happening in that segment.

Vinay Menon

Okay. Cool, yeah.

Thank you. I'll get back in the queue for more questions.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Pratik Kothari from Unique PMS.

Please go ahead.

Pratik Kothari

Hi. Good morning, and congratulations...

Operator

Sorry to interrupt you, Pratik, but your audio is breaking.

Pratik Kothari

Yeah. Is it better?

Sorry.

S.V. Krishnan

You're breaking up a little bit, but getting better.

Pratik Kothari

Hi. Good morning.

No, first of all, congratulations. Excellent set of delivery and numbers.

Sir, first question, our pain point, Arena, right? Despite almost or completely getting out of this lira-based business, the business also has halved, but the absolute losses there kind of still continues at this 60, 70-odd crores.

One, despite the efforts that we took over the last year, why are we still seeing this? What needs to be solved?

What are the gaps there?

S.V. Krishnan

See, like Hari had mentioned, lot of challenges still continue to clog Arena performance. Consciously we dropped the revenue.

Revenue has become almost half of what it used to be in the past. The margins are also dropping.

It is a very hyper-competitive environment in Turkey in this business now. Whatever upside that we see in other place, nothing of that is visible.

We have been tracking even the competitors' number, the gross margin is also compressed. At the same time, OpEx, even though we don't increase the real OpEx, because of 35%, 40% inflation, there is an increase in OpEx that we see.

It is actually multiple factors which is impacting them. We are trying to solve, but in our view, I think the current year we might have this loss continuing.

We will try to do our best, but there is still some challenge.

Pratik Kothari

Correct. Here the end goal or plan would be what?

S.V. Krishnan

End goal is multiple factors. Hari had mentioned in his opening remark we are trying to see strategically what we should do.

It requires a structural change, but options are limited. At the same time, we also need to see how to revive the business.

Both are happening in parallel. If the strategic choices happens, I think that would be our preferred choice.

V.S. Hariharan

Just to add, our original thesis was the lira business was the most challenged part because of the lira interest rates and the working capital needed to execute in that business, and we said exiting that will clean up our dollar business and focus on IT, which is actually the right direction. Having said that, two things happened.

If you see the market right now, the hardware business continues to get compressed, and it's a much smaller size than before. The software solutions business, the cloud business in Turkey is larger than the hardware business.

That is one thing. Second, it's hyper-competitive, as Krishnan mentioned.

Second, the compression of gross margin was unexpected, but it is also getting compressed. We have to approach it very differently strategically in terms of how do we restructure the business to get to profitability at these sizes.

That's the big question. We have a few ideas, and we're working through it, but not an easy problem to solve.

We will keep you updated as we progress here.

Pratik Kothari

Pratik,

S.V. Krishnan

from a debt perspective in Arena, what used to be a $120, $130 million has now come down to $90 million, and that's because of the exits from the local business that we did. Even the interest cost, there is a sizable reduction.

Interest, including factoring, what used to be ₹69 crores last year Q1 is down to ₹37 crores this year Q1. These are some of the steps taken, but unfortunately we are where we are.

Pratik Kothari

Understood. Fair enough.

Sir, second on working capital, positively surprised by the reduction there is. This is despite MSG share coming down, the others growing, large deals also being present this quarter.

What is driving this drop in working capital?

S.V. Krishnan

There are multiple factors. Very clearly as we had said, inventory days are going up across the board in the market, and that's true for us.

Fortunately, we had some advantage in terms of the payable days, and more particularly in Middle East, because of war situation, we could get some additional credit from the vendor, which has helped us. Overall, I think we could manage it better.

During the quarter there were some spikes, but I think broadly it's very well in control vis-a-vis last Q1.

Pratik Kothari

Fair enough. Last, if we can break this India growth or overall growth down to volume versus price.

I think it's tough because segment-wise, but just broad sense, how much of this is price, ASP-driven, and how much of this would be volume?

V.S. Hariharan

If you really look at what has happened in SSG, TSG, and MSG, those are largely non-price-driven. MSG we would have got a little bit of bump up on the Android side because the prices increased, but Apple did not increase prices till the last quarter.

Most of the bump up is only on the ESG side. If I take stock and sell as 60, 7- I don't know, about 2/3 of the business, you would have got about 2/3 of the End Point Solutions Group because of the price bump up.

Everything else is a natural demand phenomenon.

Pratik Kothari

Fair enough. Thank you, and all the best.

Congratulations again.

S.V. Krishnan

Thank you, Pratik.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, in order to ensure that the management is able to take questions from all participants in the conference, please limit your questions to two per participant.

Should you have a follow-up question, we request you to rejoin the queue. We have our next question from the line of Samay Sabnis from Helios Capital.

Please go ahead.

Samay Sabnis

Yeah. Thanks for the opportunity, and congrats for a great start of numbers.

My first question, when I see the list of your top five vendors, I see Samsung has made way for Microsoft. Could you share some color on this?

S.V. Krishnan

It is a very small change. Samsung used to be a close number six before, and Microsoft has grown faster than the Samsung for us, hence this shift.

It's not a significant shift.

V.S. Hariharan

Yeah. I I just want to add some color as well.

Clearly the cloud business of Microsoft with do it's doing well for us. As the cloud business grows, you will, and we had mentioned in one of the earlier quarters during the earnings call, do we see we see now three software players, software brands in the top 10 for us, and that's clearly showing up.

The cloud growth, the software growth is enabling that to happen.

Samay Sabnis

Right. Just the last thing on bookkeeping question.

Basically, I see your finance cost has increased sequentially by sharp 24% to now ₹89 crores. Could you share some color on that, and how should we see the quarterly run rate going forward?

See,

S.V. Krishnan

there is a significant increase in the revenue, and like I had mentioned, the inventory days also have gone up in the industry. That's why there is an increase in interest cost.

Interest rate, there is a marginal increase. While it was coming down, officially the respective central banks have not raised the rates, but in the market interest rates are firming up.

That also has resulted in higher interest costs compared to Q4. On a steady-state basis, you can take this as the quarterly numbers into the future.

Samay Sabnis

Sir. That was helpful.

Just last, you've got a tax refund of ₹147 crores this quarter, could you share some color on that as well?

S.V. Krishnan

Can you repeat your question, please? Not audible fully.

Samay Sabnis

You've got a tax refund of ₹147 crores Yeah. this quarter.

Wanted some color on that.

S.V. Krishnan

No, that relates to the past years. See, some of this were demands that got raised which we knew is contestable.

We contested, we won the case, we got the money back. We are quite clean on that, not an issue.

Samay Sabnis

Oh. Thank you.

That was all from my side.

S.V. Krishnan

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Sahil Doshi from Thinkwise.

Please go ahead.

Sahil Doshi

Hi. Good morning, and congratulations on a fantastic set of numbers.

Sir, this first question was on the AR provisioning. We had seen some kind of an impact in Saudi and UAE in the last quarter, and even if I see versus the normal average even for this quarter is slightly elevated.

Could you just talk about A, the provisioning in the Middle East, Saudi as well, and what caused this, and how do you see the environment to be as of now? See,

S.V. Krishnan

in the current environment, Sahil, we want to be very cautious, and we would want to make sure if there are delays more than what we expect, we had to better provide for it. These are more from that approach.

Can there be collections out of this in future? Very good chance.

Sahil Doshi

Sure, got it. Just in the annual report, you all had highlighted in terms of the Android, the direct to retail strategy which has helped us increase our revenue share from 1.3 to 10% over the last 5 years.

Could you talk a little more on this, and is there an increase in the number of OEMs or the offerings or the product portfolio here?

V.S. Hariharan

Okay. We don't specifically talk about the brands, but I'll give a little bit more detail about this premium smartphone brand for which this was done.

Their original go-to-market was through the typical LFRs and the online retail segments. Given their diverse portfolio, one of the areas we focused on about 4, 5 years back, and this was a India team-led approach, to create dedicated premium retail channels across the country.

We work closely with this OEM to build now almost 6,000 outlets that are specifically selling their products. This involves everything from supply chain automation to getting these products to in-store promoters, through area sales managers, to building a full go-to-market machine, getting EMIs, getting a whole lot of things together.

The strategy has worked very well because it's a very focused channel selling this brand's products, and that has clearly got both revenue and margin momentum for the OEM and for us. It's a very good business that we put effort closely working with the brand.

This is a kind of business where you create lots of value between us and the brand. Very proud what the India team has done on this, and it's clearly given us a headway into something unique that we built.

Sahil Doshi

Sure, sir. That really helped.

Thank you so much. Just finally, a few bookkeeping questions.

One, if you can call out what is the factoring number for this quarter? Second, if I see, the other income is roughly become 200-odd crores in FY26, and there's not too much of details even the annual report provides on the components of this other income.

Just to understand how much of it is recurring and what's really the larger portion, if you can just give us some sense of it, and how do we think about this? Okay.

S.V. Krishnan

On the factoring for the current quarter, it's about ₹8 crores vis-a-vis in Q1 of last year about ₹31 crores. Other income, there are multiple components, but two key aspects will be interest that we collect from channel partners for the delayed payment.

Second, any excess money that we have if we deposit, there is an interest that we get. These are the two main aspects in the other income.

These are business-related. Whatever is a float is what we use it for depositing.

Otherwise, as we've got net debt all the time. Is it consistent?

It will be consistent, but of course to the extent of actual excess balance that we carry, it could vary. You will also see a corresponding impact in the interest cost.

Ideally some of this you should net it off with the interest cost and then see. Third, very specific to this quarter, as it was pointed out in the earlier question, some income tax refund that we got, and there is a connected interest also had come in as part of other income.

Sahil Doshi

Sure, sir. That helped.

Just finally, if I may, in the Middle East is it correct that you called out there is a 20%, 25% decline in Q1, and incrementally we should be close to flattish or growth? Just wanted some clarity on that.

V.S. Hariharan

No, no. The 20%, 25% is what was estimated when we talked about the crisis, but overall Middle East Africa grew 15% this quarter, and Middle East Africa includes four clusters: UAE, Saudi, GCC Levant region, and Africa.

GCC Levant region and Africa had strong double-digit growth. The UAE declined small, about 3%, and then Saudi declined small also, single digit, 7%, I think.

Sahil Doshi

Sure, sir. That helped.

Thank you so much, sir.

Operator

Thank you. A reminder to all participants, please limit yourself to only two questions per participant.

Should you have a follow-up question, we request you to rejoin the queue. We have our next question from the line of Hitaindra Pradhan from Maxim Capital.

Please go ahead.

Hitaindra Pradhan

Hi, sir. Am I audible?

V.S. Hariharan

Yeah.

Hitaindra Pradhan

Thanks for the opportunity. My first question is related to the TSG segment.

Many of our global peers are calling out the supply chain constraints and the growth has been robust, but there might be some kind of moderation depending on how the situation evolves. How are we positioned for our customers, because I think that, in terms of the AI cycle that we are not big part of that for our customers.

How do you think the growth can pan out for TSG? Especially is the sales velocity or the margin that we are generating value-accretive in terms of the high working capital that is required in TSG segment?

That's my first question.

V.S. Hariharan

I'll try and I'm not really sure where your question is headed. If you look at AI in a large way, from a hardware perspective, a lot of the growth has come from the AI GPUs that are being shipped, and clearly everything is becoming GPU-centric in the world of technology solutions.

To me, the numbers will continue to grow up, but on a smaller base of AI, the growth is high today, but all the server storage that is going forward will all be AI, firstly. Secondly, the data center piece of the business, which is important, is going to be huge.

As we said, our backlog is already multiple-x of what we have done this quarter, is only going to get larger. I don't see that tapering off, at least for the next 4, 5, 6 quarters.

On the PC side of the house, we actually see a lot more happening. Today, the AI PC growth, we talked about commercial having a good penetration rate of 36%.

With the announcement from Nvidia on the RTX chip-based PCs, towards the end of the year, early part of next year, we see much stronger AI PCs coming out. That part of the business is going to take off.

The question still remains: the entry-level PCs with the high-end PCs versus the AI PCs, which will grow and how it will grow, we'll have to watch and see. I don't see an AI hardware business tapering off, at least in the next 4, 5, 6 quarters.

All parts of the portfolio, as they move into AI, there's just going to be more and more refresh cycles there. The shape of the PC market and the different mix of SKUs, entry-level, mid-range, high-end, will change, and the shape of the server storage market between neo-cloud operators, the on-prem servers in-house, the mix might change, but clearly we don't see a tapering off.

Hitaindra Pradhan

Understood, sir. That's what I wanted to understand.

The second question is on the SSG. We discussed about the servicing component and how that is going to be an incremental focus.

What is the share of the revenue which is coming from the servicing component in the SSG segment, and the new deal if you can throw some color with Microsoft, are we tying with them in order to roll out the new enterprise solutions or what can we expect from the new deal from MS? Thank you.

V.S. Hariharan

No, there is not a new deal with Microsoft. Basically, what we said was Microsoft is giving the Frontier Channel Partner nomenclature for people who are organizing themselves and being at the forefront of executing AI-related moves.

It does not mean that we have access to all of the Microsoft solutions today. What we clearly see momentum is in the specific verticals, because if you look at cloud, within cloud we do sell AI solutions from all the hyperscalers.

Within security, all the partnerships we have, they have their own AI solutions, we sell their AI solutions. There are dedicated AI solutions that we are bringing to the market which are cross-category SSG.

This is what we call as AI Exchange. We productize all the AI agents that our ISVs are spitting out into a marketplace.

We have over 250 agents on it, and we're finding a go-to-market for that. Then within the professional services organization, we do traditional stuff like migration, modernization, MSSP security solutions.

We're also doing agentic AI and other AI solutions. If I have to answer your question, we are selling solutions from vendors around their SaaS products and AI products, and we are selling horizontal AI agentic solutions, we're finding what are the right products to sell and what is the right go-to-market.

S.V. Krishnan

Hitaindra, SSG contribute 17% to our total revenue. Q1 of last year it was 15%, and services in our overall revenue, it's about 2.5% for the quarter.

Hitaindra Pradhan

Thank you, sir. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Priya Rohira from Ambit Capital.

Please go ahead.

Priya Rohira

Hi. Thanks for taking my question.

I was more relating to the ecosystem we are seeing, whether a supply-related challenges, and we have seen Apple increasing prices. Any conversations with other OEMs for the price increase, and how far do you see this, given the supply chain conundrum which has got broken?

V.S. Hariharan

To answer your question, pretty much most OEMs in the PC world have increased prices. In the smartphone, Apple was the last, and pretty much all the Android devices and Apple have increased prices.

The server storage segment clearly has moved to GPU, that's also at a higher price. I don't think there are any others left to increase prices.

We just have to now see customers have to get the right productivity, right efficiency, right ROI in deploying these devices in the commercial segment, and the consumer segment needs to absorb this shock, and there will be some demand waning as we go along. Clearly those will happen.

I think we have dealt with most of the price increases, I believe, and I don't think there are any specific conversations beyond this. We just have to really see the impact of the price increase and how the unit volume versus value plays out in the next few quarters, and for us to adjust to that new reality.

Priya Rohira

Sure. Just a follow-on there.

In this quarter, what would have been the effective price hike we would have experienced? Just to some direction, because this could have been only half a quarter, right?

V.S. Hariharan

I don't know this quarter specifically. If you just take the last 2, 3 quarters, I think PC prices have increased anywhere between 25 to 50%.

Priya Rohira

Okay.

V.S. Hariharan

Some SKUs are 50%, some SKUs are less, but anywhere between 25 and 50. That has definitely contributed to ASP increase and the value increase.

As I mentioned earlier in my starting note that our unit volume we saw in PCs is single-digit growth, and I think that is the phenomenon right now.

Priya Rohira

Q3 onwards we should start seeing step stabilization, right? Maybe Q4 onwards.

V.S. Hariharan

You don't know, but as of now, what we foresee is at least the prices will stabilize at these prices.

S.V. Krishnan

Priya, this component shortage is definitely a multi-quarter issue from what we understand. This will not die down that fast.

Priya Rohira

No, I am saying more from the point that in this year, this year full year we would have the positive effect of price hikes, right?

S.V. Krishnan

In a way, yes.

V.S. Hariharan

Yes.

Priya Rohira

Yes, because volumes will come with a lag, but nonetheless, a value, price composition will play a higher weightage to revenue growth.

S.V. Krishnan

It is also to do with how much increase in price the customers can absorb. Right?

Priya Rohira

Sure.

S.V. Krishnan

That's a big question mark, but I think we remain positive. Let's wait and see.

Priya Rohira

Sure. That's it from my side.

Thanks for the elaborate presentation.

S.V. Krishnan

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Amit Khetan from Laburnum Capital.

Please go ahead.

Amit Khetan

Hi. Good morning, and congratulations on a great quarter.

Now, you've called out a very strong growth in the cloud segment. Our understanding is the large public cloud deals, only about less than 10% globally goes through distributors like Redington.

Is that true for India as well, and is there any reason why that might be different for India?

V.S. Hariharan

Let me make sure the definition of cloud is right here. When we say cloud business, we are actually talking about reselling AWS, Microsoft, Google cloud services,

Amit Khetan

and

V.S. Hariharan

there really we are not talking about hardware. We are talking about selling to mid-market and enterprises workloads into the cloud.

That's what was talked about. There is the other part, which is the data center business, which is from neo-cloud operators, but also being set up for the same purpose.

There it's large deals where we're actually selling hardware and selling the ecosystem around it. We sell the hardware, then we sell adjacent solutions and software and managed services, etc.

Which one are you referring to when you ask this question?

Amit Khetan

I'm talking about basically the AWS, the first part you mentioned, right? The AWS, Azure services being sold to corporates.

Does that go through distributors or for large enterprises, does that happen directly?

V.S. Hariharan

Both, combination of both. They do both direct and go through distribution.

Increasingly distribution is being relied on, because both for the mid-market and small enterprise, the hyperscalers find it very convenient, because distributors like us, we just don't do just resell, because we do a lot of value around it. We do driving initiatives around to drive workloads to the cloud, we do migration, modernization, professional services, we do a combination of things, how to sell AI, how to sell platforms.

Increasing reliance on distribution, but they do direct as well, combination.

Amit Khetan

Got it. Is this portion higher in India where it goes through distribution versus how it happens in the West?

V.S. Hariharan

You could say that. I think that's fair.

If you look at US versus India, the mix of direct versus distribution, direct would be more in the US. Got it.

Amit Khetan

That might be because we have more mid-market enterprises compared to, say, larger enterprises in the US?

V.S. Hariharan

That's absolutely right. Both combination of that, access, collections of money, value-added services, the expectation from customers, all of that is different as well in a place like India.

Amit Khetan

Got it. That's helpful.

My second question is we have a couple of platforms, the Redington Online and CloudQuarks. Some of our global peers also have built similar sort of platforms.

When we compare our platforms with them, are there gaps that we need to close, and over the long term, how do you expect these to contribute in terms of costs or working capital? Are these expected to contribute to profitability, or is this just the new reality where everyone needs to build these platforms?

V.S. Hariharan

Yeah. I'll dissect that question to two parts.

There are two digital platforms we have. We have one for cloud and software business, we call it the CloudQuarks, and then we have one for the hardware business, we call that the digital platform.

I'll take the first question. CloudQuarks, quite an important and a critical investment, because when it's non-physical, everything can be digitally transacted.

It is more and more important to have that as the right platform. We are constantly evolving our platform.

As I mentioned in one of the earnings call, I think last quarter or previous, our CloudQuarks 1.0 is now migrating to 2.0, where we have added the customer persona, we have added the vendor persona, we're also building hooks for a marketplace, there is analytics there, and you'll see it's a very very key platform. I talked about some of the enhancements we made this quarter on the renewal platform as well as the TrackMyCloud platform, all built into it.

Clearly this is a very important platform for our partners to even work with the customers, and for them to access on this platform not just cloud, but it will be software as a service, AI agentic service, many other services. We are building this out.

We think we have something really good, and our vision is to be best-in-class in the next 1 to 2 years, and we're putting all our might and investment on this to be best-in-class. It's going to be a differentiator for us.

On the digital platform for hardware, it's a little bit of a different approach. We do transact in many ways with large partners for hardware in a combination of manual and automated fashion.

The digital platform comes of use for long tail, smaller partners that cannot get access to a sales person, they use digital platform. It also becomes of use for large managed partners for them to be able to see what are they not selling that Redington offers, how can they get online best data from Redington on what they're selling, what is the outstandings, what are the rebates and margins.

The digital platform on hardware really becomes a better customer experience working with our partners, whereas in the software solutions, the CloudQuarks is going to be the differentiator.

S.V. Krishnan

Amit, in addition, the customers can log in on weekends, holidays, anytime, no problem, and their requirements will get addressed. From our end, while there are some upfront investment, adoption of digital platform more and more by the customers is going to help us to reduce the cost of servicing the customers.

Amit Khetan

Understood. My question is, is this going to be differentiated versus what some of our global peers have, or is this something that everyone needs to build, and that sort of gets passed on to the customers or to the vendors?

V.S. Hariharan

We are building a differentiated platform, Amit. We want this to be best-in-class, as I mentioned, in both cases.

We're investing, when we talk about investing in platforms and ecosystems, this is actually our significant number one investment. Got it.

Amit Khetan

Got it. Thank you, and all the best for the coming quarters.

S.V. Krishnan

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Aejas Lakhani from Unifi AMC.

Please go ahead. Yeah.

Aejas Lakhani

Congratulations management team for really a stellar quarter of execution. I think the management team has remained steadfast across difficult period and has been delivering, credit to you and the entire team.

Sir, I have just one question. Hari sir, you mentioned that the velocity of large ticket deals is likely to increase, and the stock-and-sell model that you earlier referred to was a bit of a help for us in this quarter.

How should we effectively think about gross and EBITDA margins for the rest of the year? If you could give some color on that, it'll be very helpful.

Thank you.

S.V. Krishnan

Aejas, we discussed this before. Right now, the quantum of large deal in the total scheme of things is marginal, we don't separate it out, we talk overall.

If it becomes in any period significant, we will call out and give you the numbers separately. Believe me, no way the large deal profitability can match our normal profitability.

It need to get called out. Overall, what you will see is a dilution in the margin percentage.

That's why in the past we had said very clearly, our single most objective in the large deal is no compromise on return on capital employed. Plus there are other factors, but those are secondary.

You will find return on capital employed is not compromised, but the margin compromise will be there, most likely.

Operator

Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Lakshminarayanan from Tunga Investments.

Please go ahead. Yeah.

Lakshminarayanan K G

Thank you. I have a question related to the Software Solutions Group.

What I understand is that is another way of selling, which is through the Microsoft marketplace, and I was told that there is a movement of some clients towards this Microsoft marketplace. Just want to understand whether that is a kind of a threat, or is it something which is on the fringes?

V.S. Hariharan

To answer your question on marketplaces, yes, the key hyperscalers are creating their own marketplaces, and we are going to be participating in those marketplaces as well. Just like hardware world has evolved to be an omnichannel world, there'll be an omnichannel evolution in the software solutions group where there will be hyperscaler marketplaces which will go direct to some partners, and we will participate there, and we will create our own marketplaces.

We'll have to bring the best value-added services for us to win overall. Clearly, Redington is working on multiple ways to win in our own way in these marketplaces.

Lakshminarayanan K G

Is it a threat, or is it a kind of an opportunity? I didn't quite

Operator

catch...

V.S. Hariharan

It is an opportunity. It's definitely an opportunity, more than a threat.

Lakshminarayanan K G

Okay. Okay.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for the day, and I now hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.

V.S. Hariharan

Thank you so much for all your questions, and thank you for all the feedback as well, and we look forward to having another good quarter in Q2, and we'll come back to

S.V. Krishnan

you.

Operator

Thank you.

V.S. Hariharan

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you so much, sir. On behalf of Redington Limited, that concludes this conference.

Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.