Magnolia Oil & Gas Corporation

Magnolia Oil & Gas Corporation

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Q4 FY2025 · Earnings Call TranscriptFebruary 6, 2026

Operator

Good morning everyone, and thank you for participating in Magnolia Oil & Gas Corporation's fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call. My name is Chloe, and I will be your moderator for today's call.

At this time, all participants will be placed in a listen-only mode as our call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Magnolia's management for their prepared remarks, which will be followed by a brief question-and-answer session.

Tom Fitter

Thank you, Chloe, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Magnolia Oil & Gas's fourth quarter earnings conference call.

Participating on the call today are Chris Stavros, Magnolia's Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer; and Brian Corales, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, today's conference call contains certain projections and other forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws.

These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in these statements. Additional information on risk factors that could cause results to differ is available in the company's annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC.

A full Safe Harbor can be found on slide 2 of the conference call slide presentation with the supplemental data on our website. You can download Magnolia's fourth quarter 2025 earnings press release, as well as the conference call slides from the investor section of the company's website at www.magnoliaoilgas.com.

I will now turn the call over to Mr. Chris Stavros.

Chris Stavros

Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today for a discussion of our fourth quarter and full-year 2025 financial and operating results.

I plan to briefly speak to last year's results, which closed out another year of strong, consistent performance and execution, showing the beneficial characteristics and merits of our differentiated business model, and during a year of elevated product price volatility. Our model has allowed us to deliver strong free cash flow and cash returns to our shareholders, resulting from superior asset performance and our continued focus on capital discipline, cost containment, and visible efficiency improvements.

I'll conclude by providing an outlook of Magnolia's 2026 capital and operating plan, which is expected to deliver moderate growth with a similar level of capital spending that provides us with further opportunities to capture low-cost resource across our acreage position. Brian will then review our financial results in greater detail and provide some additional guidance before we take your questions.

Beginning on slide 3 of our quarterly investor presentation and looking at the highlights, Magnolia delivered another solid quarter and year of performance marked by steady execution of our capital-efficient business model and our high-quality assets. I'm particularly proud of our ongoing dedication and focus shown by both our operating teams in the field and our Houston staff.

Their continued hard work and diligence is a significant factor behind Magnolia's success. Our business performed exceptionally well throughout the year, driven by stronger than expected well results, improved efficiencies, lower unit costs, and our commitment to capital discipline, as I mentioned.

For the full year 2025, total company production grew by 11% to approximately 100,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day, with oil production growing by 4% and averaging nearly 40,000 barrels per day. Operationally, we continue to make strides in reducing our field-level cash operating expenses, which declined by 7% to $5.12 per boe during 2025.

The better than expected well productivity we experienced during the first half of last year not only provided us with higher production growth in 2025, but also allowed us to save capital by deferring some well completions into this year. Our teams were also able to drive a more efficient drilling and completions program last year in Giddings, with our average drilled feet per day increasing by 8%, and with completed feet per day improving by 6%.

Turning specifically to the fourth quarter, we achieved a new company record for our production, averaging nearly 104,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day and 40.7 thousand barrels of oil per day. These both marked a sequential increase of 3% and reflected the continued strong performance from our wells.

Financially, the quarter and year were equally strong and aligned with our goal of generating consistent and sustainable free cash flow through disciplined capital allocation. Our fourth quarter adjusted net income was approximately $71 million, or 38 cents per diluted share, with adjusted EBITDAX coming in at $216 million.

Our drilling and completion capital for the period was roughly $117 million, representing 54% of our adjusted EBITDAX. Pretax operating margins averaged 33% for the year, despite a more than 15% annual decline in our oil price realizations.

Our low reinvestment rate enabled us to generate free cash flow of more than $425 million for the full year. We stood by our commitment to return a significant portion of that free cash flow to our shareholders, distributing approximately 75% through a combination of our base dividend and share repurchases.

In total, we repurchased approximately 8.9 million shares throughout the course of 2025, reducing our diluted share count by roughly 4.5%. This not only accretes value on a per-share basis, but also reinforces our business model that leads to a serial compounding of value.

Our balance sheet ended the year in a position of strength, allowing us to navigate product price uncertainty. It provides us with ample liquidity and a cash balance giving us flexibility to selectively pursue opportunistic bolt-on additions to our portfolio.

As shown on slide 4, our strategy is designed to produce steady, mid-single-digit total production growth, high pretax margins, and reliable free cash flow while maintaining a low reinvestment rate and a strong balance sheet. The strength of this model and the strategy is clear when looking at Magnolia's longer-term performance across these key financial metrics.

Looking at slide 5, Magnolia has maintained one of the lowest capital reinvestment rates among the US oil and gas producers over the past 5 years, while delivering one of the highest rates of production growth per share. As shown on slide 6, Magnolia continues to achieve strong pretax operating margins driven primarily by our low-cost, high-quality asset base, which is also in close proximity to large consuming markets on the US Gulf Coast.

Slide 7 highlights the continued strength of our balance sheet, which remains best-in-class in the industry. Maintaining low leverage is a critical part of our strategy, as it reduces financial risk while preserving substantial flexibility and strategic optionality.

While many oil and gas operators often excel in one or two of these areas, we believe that our combination of our low capital reinvestment rate, above-average per-share growth, high operating margins, and minimal debt is unique, especially for a small to mid-sized operator. This powerful recipe allows us to generate high corporate returns, maximize our free cash flow generation and sustain our strong and consistent capital return program for shareholders.

Slide 8 illustrates our corporate-level returns, showing 2025 as another strong year with return on capital employed, ROCE, of 18% and well above our cost of capital, despite year-over-year lower oil prices. Over the last 5 years, Magnolia has generated an average ROCE of 34% and more than three times our weighted average cost of capital.

These exceptional returns stem from our prudent capital allocation, consistent low-debt levels, ongoing share repurchase program, and perhaps most importantly, our low-cost, high-quality assets. Case in point, Magnolia added approximately 50 million boe of proved developed reserves during the year.

When accounting for all expenditures to add these reserves, this resulted in organic proved developed finding and development costs, or F&D, of $9.25 per boe. During the three-year period from 2023 to 2025, Magnolia's organic proved developed F&D costs averaged $9.85 per boe.

This demonstrates our high-quality and low-cost-of-supply asset base. Looking ahead into 2026, we're committed to the principles that have guided us from the start and have proven to be successful thus far.

We plan to remain fiscally prudent and disciplined, with our capital spending expected to be approximately flat year-over-year while delivering total production growth of approximately 5%. As I've often said, Magnolia's primary goals and objectives are to be the most prudent efficient of our best-in-class oil and gas assets, to generate the highest return on those assets while spending the least amount of capital on drilling and completing wells no matter what the product price.

Last year was another example of our successful delivery on these goals. We achieved double-digit production growth with less capital than originally planned, repurchased more than 4% of our outstanding shares, recently announced a 10% increase in our dividend, our fifth consecutive annual increase, and completed approximately $67 million of bolt-on acquisitions, furthering our resource opportunity set.

To summarize, Magnolia is well-positioned and consistently guided by the principles of our business model. Our high-quality assets and strategy of continued capital spending discipline, proactive cost management, and pursuit of further operational efficiencies should serve us well during periods of product price volatility.

Our consistent policy of low leverage and a lack of commodity hedges is central to our strategy, providing us with downside protection, while also allowing for upside to product prices and the ability to generate value through commodity cycles. I'll now turn the call over to Brian for a review of our financials and to provide some additional guidance.

Brian Corales

Thanks, Chris, and good morning, everyone. I will review some items from our fourth quarter and full-year results and refer to the presentation slides found on our website.

I'll also provide some additional guidance for the quarter for the first quarter of 2026 and the remainder of the year before turning it over for questions. Magnolia ended 2025 with a strong performance across our operations.

Starting on slide 10, during the fourth quarter, we generated total adjusted net income of $71 million, or 38 cents per diluted share. Our adjusted EBITDAX for the quarter was $216 million, with total capital associated with drilling, completions, and associated facilities of $117 million, representing 54% of our adjusted EBITDAX.

For the full year, adjusted EBITDAX was $906 million, with D&C capital representing 51% of EBITDAX. Fourth quarter production volumes grew 11% year-over-year to 103.8 thousand barrels of oil equivalent per day.

For the full year, production volumes grew 11% to 98 99.8 thousand barrels of oil equivalent per day, with oil growth of 4%. During the year, we repurchased a total of 8.9 million shares, and our diluted share count fell by 4% year-over-year.

Looking at the quarterly cash flow waterfall chart on slide 11, we started the year with $260 million of cash. Cash flow from operations before changes changes in working capital was $906 million, with working capital changes and other small items impacting cash by $41 million.

Throughout the year, we added $67 million of bolt-on acquisitions. We paid dividends of $117 million and allocated $205 million toward share repurchases.

We incurred $469 million on drilling, completions, and associated facilities and leasehold, and ended the year with $267 million of cash. Looking at slide 12, this chart illustrates the progress in reducing our total outstanding shares since we began our our repurchase program in the second half of 2019.

Since that time, we have repurchased 81.8 million shares, leading to a change in weighted average diluted shares outstanding of approximately 27%, net of issuances. Magnolia's weighted average diluted share count declined by more than 2 million shares sequentially, averaging 188 million shares during the fourth quarter.

As Chris discussed, the board recently approved a 10 million share increase to our share repurchase authorization, leaving 12.9 million shares remaining under our current repurchase authorization, which are specifically directed towards repurchasing repurchasing Class A shares in the open market. Turning to slide 13, our dividend has grown substantially over the past few years, including a 10% increase we recently announced to 16.5 cents per share on a quarterly basis.

Our next quarterly dividend is payable on March 2nd and provides an annualized dividend payout rate of 66 cents per share. Our plan for annualized dividend growth is an important part of Magnolia's investment proposition, and supported by our overall strategy of achieving moderate annual production growth, reducing our outstanding shares, and increasing the dividend payout capacity of the company.

Magnolia continues to have a very strong balance sheet, and we ended the quarter with with $267 million of cash. Our $400 million of senior notes does not mature until 2032.

Including our fourth quarter ending cash balance of $267 million and our undrawn $450 million revolving credit facility, our total liquidity is approximately $717 million. Our condensed balance sheet as of December 31st is shown on slide 14.

Turning to slide 15 and looking at our per-unit cash costs and operating income margins, total revenue per boe declined 13% quarter-over-quarter due to the decline in oil prices. Our total adjusted cash operating costs, including G&A, were $10.64 per boe in the fourth quarter of 2025.

Our operating income margin for the fourth quarter was $9.85 per boe, or 30% of our total revenue. The decrease in our quarter-over-quarter pretax operating margin was entirely driven by the decrease in commodity prices, and were further benefited from from lower DD&A expense.

On slide 16, Magnolia continues to have a very successful organic drilling program. The total proved developed reserves at year-end 2025 were 167 million barrels of oil equivalent.

Excluding acquisitions and price-related revisions, the company added 50 million barrels of oil equivalent of proved developed reserves during the year. Total drilling and completions capital was $461 million in 2025, resulting in organic proved developed F&D costs of $9.25 per boe, and reflective of our current drilling program.

The three-year average organic proved developed F&D cost was $9.85 per boe. Turning to guidance, we expect our 2026 drilling, completions, and facility capital to be in the range of $440 to $480 million, which includes an estimate of non-operated capital that is similar to that of 2025.

At the midpoint, this is similar to prior year's capital cost, despite planning more wells in 20 2026. We expect first quarter D&C capital expenditures to be approximately $125 million, and anticipate this to be the highest quarterly rate of spending for the year.

Total production for the first quarter is estimated to be approximately 102,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day, which includes approximately 1,500 barrels of oil equivalent per day of winter winter weather impacts experienced in January. Total full-year 2026 production growth is expected to be approximately 5%.

Oil price differentials are anticipated to be approximately $3 $3 per barrel discount to Magellan East Houston, and Magnolia remains completely unhedged for all of its oil and natural gas production. The fully diluted share count for the first quarter of 2026 is expected to be approximately 187 million shares, which is 4% lower than first quarter 2025 levels.

We expect our effective tax rate to be approximately 21%, with all of this being deferred. We are now ready to take your questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone.

If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two.

At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question comes from Neal Dingmann with William Blair.

Please go ahead.

Neal Dingmann

Morning guys, nice to see another strong quarter, Chris and team. Chris, my first question is, jump right to the Giddings play.

Specifically, looking at our well data, it suggests that a number of your recent wells not only continue to outperform the type curves, but they certainly appear to be some of the best drilled to date. I'm just wondering, with that said, has there been notable operational changes?

Is it more because you're in pure development for a lot of that now? What do you attribute most of this continued upside to?

Chris Stavros

Morning, Neal. Thanks for the question, and also for pointing it out.

We did notice it as well. The wells are very strong, they're producing a lot of everything.

I'm not sure exactly which specific wells that you're referring to, but many of them have performed very well. I can't point to anything specific or very different in terms of the completion design if that's a little bit of what you're asking.

I think what you're seeing is simply the outcome of drilling into some very good rock. I think, when we make a lot of effort in terms of locating the wells and placing the wells, I think there's a better than decent chance that you'll see more of this.

There's nothing specific that I can say that we've changed, we've just gotten better at it with time.

Neal Dingmann

No, that's obvious to see. Then second question moving over to M&A, specifically could you discuss, you'll look at sort of all the above, I think, as any or Stewart would, but what we've noticed out there, we've seen record prices paid for Delaware, we've seen big prices paid for PDP-heavy things.

I guess, sort of twofold here: one, are you looking sort of at all the above, and when it comes to the Giddings or around your area in particular, are we seeing prices increase there like we've seen in a lot of these other areas?

Chris Stavros

Brian put some numbers around the bolt-on transactions, acquisitions, some of the ground game that has led to some of the bolt-ons that we've done over the last couple years. What I'd say is that it's not predictable, but we've done a good job I think with that ground game in Giddings, Western Eagle Ford, Karnes area.

I really do expect it to continue. Like I said, it's just tough to predict in terms of the timing.

The competition, I would tell you, has risen over the last year. The larger the opportunity or maybe deal size or item that you might be looking for, the tougher it is and maybe the more expensive it is.

We've done a better job of understanding the things that we're looking for in terms of the subsurface and in and around where we currently operate. I'm not and never really have been a big proponent of very large PDP-heavy deals, as you're more likely to pay full value for these or even higher.

I think part of that is within your question in terms of what you might be seeing in the Permian and in the Delaware. I'd really much prefer to focus on opportunities where we have more undeveloped upside.

You're generally right, the prices for acreage has climbed. We're not out there looking to build a data center anytime soon in terms of what you're seeing for what's happening in real estate or land prices, but for all I know we could be competing with some of those who are looking to build a data center, I just don't know.

It's certainly reflected in some of the elevated levels of pricing.

Neal Dingmann

Said, thanks Chris.

Operator

The next question comes from Phillip Jungwirth with BMO. Please go ahead.

Philip Jungwirth

Thanks. Good morning.

Chris Stavros

Morning.

Philip Jungwirth

You called out the faster cycle times last year in the release. Was also hoping you could talk to well cost reductions and how those might have contributed to the better capital efficiency and lower F&D, and any expectations here as we go into 2026 or what you're seeing on the service cost front?

Chris Stavros

Sure. If I go back a year plus, we were looking at a cost of a standard Giddings well as sort of maybe $1,100 a foot, and it was trending through that period up to now maybe down towards $1,000 a foot.

I think that's sort of what we're looking at right now for a standard Giddings well, which is between 8 to 8,500 feet. Something between that probably gives you a reasonable estimate and maybe closer to $1,000 a foot, if that helps you.

On the service costs, things are flat to slightly down into this year, but we'll see where this goes as far as commodity prices. We have regular conversations with our service partners and we want to keep them working because they've been good partners.

Most recently, this has been a tough way to make a living. I think the OFS market continued to experience some pricing pressure going through this year, and certainly if prices for oil are 60 or below.

We've locked in some of our service costs with our key providers through most of the first half of this year, and we'll be going back probably later in the spring to start looking at negotiating for things in the back half of the year and sort of close it out. What I feel is if we're in a good position and we're not looking to take advantage, but it's like I said, it's tough, and I get it.

We're also in the business to make a margin as well. Things are favorable for us, less favorable for the OFS guys.

Philip Jungwirth

Right, makes sense. Then we've seen really strong equity performance year-to-date for the sector and Magnolia, been helped by geopolitical risk.

How tactical do you plan to be on the buyback? Do you view this as more programmatic as far as deploying it, or maintaining dry powder to take advantage of any pullback given that we're likely to continue to see volatility?

Chris Stavros

The programmatic portion of it is the sort of 1% that we're minimally committed to, as far as the way I think about it. It really does have teeth as it starts to chew into the shares outstanding, and works with that sort of serial compounding that I mentioned.

Some of the tactical portion of it is what you saw probably for us in the fourth quarter where we underperformed, whether that was mean reversion or whatever, nothing really changed in the business, but since we don't provide broker discretion, we sort of run it ourselves, we have the opportunity to sort of lean in or not, as things move along on the stock. It's going to be volatile, and if we see pockets of disconnect where I can't necessarily determine why that's occurring, we can lean in or not.

Should that occur again, we will.

Philip Jungwirth

Great, thanks guys. Great results.

Chris Stavros

Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Peyton Dorne with UBS. Please go ahead.

Peyton Dorne

Hey, Chris and team, thanks a lot for getting me on. Understanding the weather impacts for the first quarter, I wonder if you could just touch on your expectations for the shape of the 2026 production outlook.

Is it fair to think that beyond the step back here in 1Q, that we should kind of see maybe a steady growth rate through the year, or is there any other factors that we should keep in mind kind of as we go through 2026?

Chris Stavros

More or less. You can do the arithmetic.

I think we've provided you with enough information where with the winter storm impact in the quarter and sort of adding it back, what it might have looked like perhaps, without the occurrence of the event. So '26 is off to a good start, and I sort of see things gradually progressing through the year.

It's a little bit heavier capital outlay in the first half of the year, certainly in the first quarter. Typically that's sort of the way the curve works for us just in terms of timing of the spend.

4Q, 1Q is a little heavier, and then it sort of tapers off in the mid part of the year and then again rises on the capital as we finish out the full year. The goal would be to spend as least as possible and generate better results on growth if we can, and I'm optimistic around the outcome of the wells.

Generally, I think you'll see a gradual, steady progress through the year on the volumes.

Peyton Dorne

Great. Thank you very much.

Chris Stavros

Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Tim Rezvan with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Tim Rezvan

Good morning, folks. Thanks for taking our questions.

I wanted to ask about the development approach for the year. You talked about 75% of activity on multi-well pads in Giddings, almost identical to your comments a year ago.

Can you sort of refresh our memories on sort of leading-edge, the pad template? I know there's unique pads for different reasons, but are you still sort of in that 3 to 4-well package size?

Why not kind of push out laterals more to 10,000 feet or above? Just trying to kind of understand what development looks like as we think about incremental efficiency opportunities.

Thanks.

Chris Stavros

Now the 3 to 4 per pad is still about right. There's no real change there.

We do have some five-well pads, we do have some two-well pads, but generally I would tell you it's probably around 3 to 4 on average. The lateral lengths will vary.

We'll drill if possible, we're not trying to drill shorter laterals, we'll drill longer laterals if and when we can, and that's part of the assist that we get with a little bit of the ground game, if we can acquire some adjacent or open acreage that could assist or help us out in that way. There's opportunities to do that.

We've drilled wells that are 12, 13,000 feet, and if we can do it, we will. On average, it's sort of 8 to 8,500.

That's sort of the typical program that I would expect to see this year, not very different.

Tim Rezvan

That's helpful context. Then if I could just circle back to the M&A question, you talked about more competition on the larger side.

I know there's at least two large packages right now in the market from publics, not really near Giddings' backyard, but do you still feel the better opportunities on those sort of smaller side? Would there be interest in doing something big, potentially on that transformative side if the pricing was correct, or in your favor?

Chris Stavros

These are what I alluded to or mentioned before, they are more on the PDP-heavy side, have been well developed, has sort of been through the machination of time and heavily drilled up. You really don't want to buy somebody else's decline curve.

You never want to get involved with that if you can avoid it. I'm looking for things that have untested upside or just upside, undrilled acreage, and those are tougher things to be had.

You're going to pay full value or better on this PDP-heavy stuff. I think generally though that's what those larger things would look like.

We'd probably also like to lean a little bit more on the liquids side, on the oil side, if we can do it, or find it. I'm not adverse to gas necessarily, but if there's going to be some production that comes along with it, I'd probably prefer to have a little bit more on the oil side.

The other thing, too, large deals come with obviously greater risk, and so you just want to be sure that you can manage this, and that you have a good understanding of it. Whatever we're going to do or whatever going to look like has sort of start off with the understanding that we have a good, firm view of what we're getting ourselves into subsurface-wise, and whether or not we can continue to manage it going forward.

There's lots of looking at old things that are being hived off by publics. It's interesting, but you've just got to make sure you understand it well, and that it's actually contributing to the business in a positive way, fits into our model, and can be accretive to the equity.

Tim Rezvan

I appreciate the responses. If I could just sneak a quick one in, oil skew's been about 39% in the back half of 2025.

As we look forward, should we still expect that 39% to 40% range to hold? Thank you.

Chris Stavros

The percentage is a tough one. Not tough from in terms of what it's going to be, I'd rather speak in terms of absolute oil.

Absolute oil, I expect to grow 2% to 3% this year, and it'll be a mix of Giddings and Karnes area asset. I'm confident around that, and if we can do a little bit better, we'll see.

The percentage, considering the proportion of the program in Giddings where Giddings on average is running very much mid-30s, 35%, 36% thereabouts, and we're, call it like you said, 40%, 39%, 40%, it's going to be in that range. If you were able to add an asset or a little activity that could make you a little bit oilier, we'll just sort of see.

I'm very confident that on the low end, you're not going to sort of be 20% or something odd. You're going to be in that mid-30s or 40-ish or maybe even a touch better, depending on things that are available to drill and that we fit into the program.

Tim Rezvan

I appreciate the responses. Thanks, guys.

Chris Stavros

Thanks, Tim.

Operator

The next question comes from Leo P. Mariani with Roth.

Please go ahead.

Leo Mariani

Hey, guys. Just obviously strong well performance in Q4, which you guys spoke of.

Trying to get a sense of whether or not that's been primarily driven by the 240,000-acre development area, or are you seeing some contributions from some other areas? You did reference some new development areas in your release.

I was just trying to get a sense if those new areas are on top of the 240,000 acres, or kind of included in the 240?

Chris Stavros

I would tell you it's included in the 240, but that's not to say that we're not looking elsewhere and have plans to go outside the 240 with additional appraisal this year, which we will. I'm looking forward to that, I'm looking forward to what the results may bring, and it's been very useful, helpful to us up to now, and I expect it to be additive in terms of our resource going forward.

I'm optimistic around that. To your question around where did it come from, it's sort of historical and it's really within the 240.

Leo Mariani

I appreciate that color. Then obviously LOE was once again pretty strong this quarter in terms of being a low number.

Just wanted to get a sense of kind of what's sort of been driving that. You guys have done a really good job at getting costs down, and I think from your prepared comments, you're still continuing to work on that.

How should we expect that to trend as we roll through '26 here?

Chris Stavros

Good question. The first quarter, obviously, we had the weather event, with the freeze, and there's just some extra things that need to be done to sort of compensate for that in terms of repairs and maintenance.

I'm not going to dwell on it, it's not a huge deal, but you'll see a little bit of that, I believe, in the first quarter on LOE. LOE seasonally is generally higher in the first quarter for field bonus payments.

We have to pay our guys, and hopefully we pay them well. There's some of that.

That's just seasonality. I will tell you, though, that they have done a very good job, an impressive job, frankly, in terms of bringing down costs in the field.

They have some things up their sleeve that will work out in a positive way over time. I'm confident that sort of the numbers that we're seeing in terms of continuing to trend down, I feel pretty good about it.

I think there's some additional room for improvement with some things we're working on.

Leo Mariani

Nice to hear. Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Noah Hungness with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Noah Hungness

Morning. You guys gave a decently wide range for your '26 capital guide.

Could you maybe put some color around what would push you either to the upper or lower end of that range?

Chris Stavros

There's not much that I can come up with that would push us to the upper in the current environment. I'm confident that you're sort of in the middle part of that range or lower.

We're not looking to do more. Frankly, should we do better in terms of the well performance, as occurred last year, we could find ourselves in a similar position where you just put off some of the spending or defer some completions or whatever just because the performance is better.

If we could spend less and have more free cash flow, that would be terrific. That is really the objective.

I'm simply giving a range really because just some of the product price volatility and uncertainty, should prices move higher and directly higher, and we see some reflation or pick up in service costs that could lead to it, but right where we are now, that's not something I'm anticipating.

Noah Hungness

That's really helpful. For my second question, it's just on first quarter GP&T.

During the winter freeze, we also saw really strong gas prices. Is that higher gas pricing going to potentially translate into higher GP&T for the quarter?

Brian Corales

Maybe slightly. We expect GP&T to be relatively similar from what we've seen over the past couple quarters.

I don't expect too much volatility there. Could it be slightly higher?

Yes, but we're not talking quarters and could be couple pennies or nickels.

Noah Hungness

Thanks, Chris.

Operator

The next question comes from Carlos Escalante with Wolfe. Please go ahead.

Carlos Escalante

Hey, good morning, team. Thank you for having me on.

Morning. I would like to turn back real quick to your D&C cost savings year on year.

I learned yesterday from your own town fair that you've been running the same Patterson rig since Magnolia's inception, and I thought that that's just the epitome of your industrial approach. I wonder if you can, in a very succinct manner, unpack how much of the D&C cost gains year on year have been as a consequence of that industrial approach to the business versus any kind of service deflation, and perhaps with your additional commentary on how much more you can squeeze via that continued repetition on the drilling side specifically.

Chris Stavros

It's a very good point and observation. Running these rigs, not just one, but both, consistently over a multi-year period has led to a wonderful understanding of the field, the drilling challenges and capabilities that the assets bring to us.

Not just the rig, but the crews that we have and equipment really does provide us with that further understanding and capability, and consistency that I think drives some of the efficiencies that we've been seeing. If you want to call that the industrial approach, that's fine.

It does translate into benefits with time. The crews, the people, the equipment, all of it, we like what we have.

We're always looking to continue to utilize those things, but at the same time, be competitive and look elsewhere, but there's advantages to having that consistency, for sure.

Carlos Escalante

Thank you, that's very helpful. As my second question and building on Noah's question, on capital, if we exclude the six deferred tills that you had from '25, and then you include back the downtime from the production storm, in my mind it stands to reason that your development capital, your maintenance capital, is substantially down.

I wonder if you can put maybe perhaps a number on where you see that, where you can hold your production flat. I think that I'll add that as a backdrop, the industry hasn't been paid to grow for the past few years, a lot of interesting things going on in the Permian Basin and in the South in general with a growing dynamic.

We could be turning the tide here, wondering how you see that and if you can provide again that number on your maintenance capital as it stands today.

Chris Stavros

No, the capital is an interesting observation or point, setting aside the winter event. We're going to drill and complete a few more wells this year, that is sort of embedded within the growth expectations that we have, and some of that is largely fits into the program because of some of the efficiencies that we've generated over the years.

In terms of maintenance, probably I'm not sure, we haven't tested it yet, it's always hard to exactly come up with a very, very narrow range, but I would tell you, $400 million-ish feels about right, maybe a little less.

Brian Corales

Carlos, maybe I'll just add, too, if you go look back in time, the last 5 years we've spent about the same amount of money every year. Our production is up roughly 50%.

We're drilling more wells each year generally, and that's driven by efficiencies. There's other things that can contribute to the decrease in total capital costs, but you look at it as a whole, since last 5 years has been relatively stable in terms of how much we spend as absolute basis.

We're doing that with more production and more wells.

Chris Stavros

Factoring in the first part of your question around the industrial capabilities of the equipment and the drilling rig, all of that sort of comes together to allow that flatness, if you will, in terms of what you've seen or consistency on the capital over the last 5 years that Brian mentioned.

Carlos Escalante

Thank you, guys.

Operator

The next question comes from Phillips Johnston with Capital One Securities. Please go ahead.

Phillips Johnston

Hey, thanks for the time. Just a few housekeeping questions on the modeling front.

I know your average working interest on some of your acreage in Giddings has moved up with some of the recent bolt-ons. What should we assume for your average working interest for this year's drilling program in both Giddings and Karnes?

Just in terms of cycle times company-wide, are we still kind of running somewhere around 28 gross wells per rig per year per rig line?

Brian Corales

I'll start with your second. 28, that may be slightly aggressive, but it's not far off, depending on where we are and exactly what we drill.

In terms of working interest in Giddings, we've been able to move that up from the, call it mid, maybe slightly higher 70% range, and I would assume something in the low 80s today.

Phillips Johnston

Perfect. You guys noted some deferred well completions from '25 into '26, I think the number was around six.

Just to clarify, would you expect your TIL count this year to be about six wells higher than the number of wells that you drill, or should we think about the company just operating with a higher working inventory of DUCs?

Chris Stavros

No, we don't purposefully look to add DUCs necessarily, but I think you're in the range, plus or minus ballpark of the half dozen that we sort of had coming in from last year.

Phillips Johnston

Perfect. Thanks, guys.

Chris Stavros

Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Charles Meade with Johnson Rice. Please go ahead.

Charles Meade

Good morning, Chris and Brian and the rest of the Magnolia team there.

Chris Stavros

Morning.

Brian Corales

Morning.

Charles Meade

Chris, I want to go back to the acquisition market, and I know you spoke a lot about this earlier in the Q&A, but I want to try to put the pieces together and see if I understand your thinking. When I think about the traditional oily parts of the Eagle Ford, that's going to all be PDP-heavy, or almost anything would be PDP-heavy.

Then you think about something that has more undeveloped, which I think you said, that's more interesting to you, those are mostly going to be down-dip and gassier. I think you said you weren't interested in gas, and so, if I'm putting those pieces together right, does that mean that you're not likely to really charge hard at those traditional Eagle Ford packages?

Chris Stavros

I wouldn't disagree with what you said as far as they're tough to find, but they're out there. Remember, we're small.

Little things here and there can make a difference, and you just have to make the effort and poke around, and we know a lot of folks. There are opportunities out there, you just have to try.

The PDP-heavy Eagle Ford and things like that that you're referring to updip, I'm less interested in those. It's difficult, it tends to be more scattered, there's less obvious synergies that are available, because county to county, it's not all homogeneous.

It's very different, scattered, like I said. It's tougher to make it work as a public company.

If you're private, you can do some of these things, get away with it, it's not a big deal, but as a public company in terms of the way we think about things, it's a tougher way to make a living.

Charles Meade

Got it. Thank you for that elaboration.

Then, I wonder if you could just give us a refresh on, I think that there's a lot of bearishness in the oil market, but we recently saw 65, and so when you guys look at internal scenarios where you run $70 or $75 oil or whatever, where does the extra cash go in the scenarios that you run?

Chris Stavros

On your oil comment, you're right. The sentiment as we sort of got out of '25 was extremely negative, and maybe some of that is still lingering in there in terms of just available supply in the market.

It is certainly ample oil. Personally, I've been more constructive.

I think I've said this many times in investor meetings that we've had. I've been more constructive on oil as you go into 2026, and then you have all these sort of geopolitical Whac-A-Mole events that sort of tend to pop up, and you don't know what's lurking around the corner.

Those have sort of underpinned and helped, I guess, on oil, to remind everybody that 2/3 to 3/4 of the world's oil supply is in some pretty nasty places, and so that's not going to end anytime soon. The other thing, you've got other dynamics, too.

Global demand is pretty healthy. You've got sort of the economy that's pretty good.

Your question is getting at what, exactly?

Charles Meade

When you guys run scenarios at $70 or $75, where does the extra cash go? Is the first thing another dividend bump, or is the first thing that ramp up share repurchases, or and part of that could even be when does another rig come into the picture?

Chris Stavros

Another rig doesn't come into the picture. That's not the plan.

Again, I say this again and again, and maybe people don't believe me, but the plan is to spend as little as we can or be the most efficient with the money in terms of drilling the fewest wells to continue to take advantage of the productivity gains that we see in the field, and have some moderate growth. We're not chasing growth for growth's sake.

In a better than expected product price scenario, we just sort of sit there, take the winnings. It's the advantage of having an unhedged structure, and so we don't have any real financial risk in terms of the leverage.

We capture all the upside to commodity prices that will ultimately feed back to the shareholder in the way, shape, or form of, like you said, and we can toggle this, whether it's dividends, share repurchase, and/or just being opportunistic around redeploying some of the excess cash towards opportunistic acquisitions. That's pretty much where the extra money would go.

Charles Meade

Thank you.

Chris Stavros

Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Tim Moore with Clear Street. Please go ahead.

Tim Moore

Thanks, and great execution and reliable capital allocation. I just liked Chris' comments that another rig cost won't creep into the picture.

Chris, I just want to follow up on just another Giddings thread. How much more confident are you in future outcomes of new wells there, bringing more net acreage into the portfolio with some higher predictability than you were maybe 18 months ago?

If you kind of could add in the color on your look back of EUR pre-drill and post-drill results for new wells in Giddings, they came out a couple percent better, or just any thoughts on that would be helpful.

Chris Stavros

I'm very confident because of the ongoing appraisal and even where you say maybe adding to that a sprinkle of exploration, if you will, in and around some of our areas. Whether it's that or some of previous bolt-ons or things that we may be working on, there is a very good chance that there will be more opportunity set to work on that will deliver the types of results that we've been accustomed to seeing.

I'm very confident around that.

Tim Moore

Great. My only other question is, without adding another rig like you mentioned you won't, how quickly can you really lean in and slightly ramp up drilling for a few extra wells in Giddings, if later this year oil price is somewhere around 70?

I know you were able to quickly delay, I don't know, six completions last year. Could you flex that much on new wells, or do you need a lot more lead time?

Chris Stavros

We could, but we won't. It's just generally not the direction we would take it.

Like I said, we set our plan at something that we view as practical and prudent in terms of what we envision with the product price scenario that is conservative, and we'd like to grow within that outcome, and the moderate growth that we talked about is what the assets are capable of delivering. We're not stretching for more than that.

If the outcome turns out to be better than expected, that's great, but we won't chase more growth or necessarily just respond to the product price in that way. We'll just take the money and view it as winnings, and we'll provide it back to the shareholder in some fashion, either share repurchases, most likely.

Tim Moore

Thanks. That's terrific clarity, and that's it for my questions.

Chris Stavros

Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Zach Parham with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Zach Parham

Hey, just one question for me, and you've commented on this a little bit, but you all delivered some pretty significant gains in productivity this year that's allowed you to grow production more than originally planned at lower capex. Do you think that higher level of productivity is sustainable going forward, and maybe comment on how much of that productivity uplift is factored into your 2026 guidance?

There's there's we

Chris Stavros

we pretty much take a backward look on this and and look at, our drilling plan. The drilling plan, I would tell you, and the anticipated outcome is not very different in terms of the sets of wells that we're, expecting, planning to drill as far as what this year this year's program.

There's a reasonable chance that that, things could turn out better than what we're what we're predicting. Certainly, it turned out that way last year, but, you you can't there's no guarantee.

There is a reasonable chance that some of that will occur, in certain areas. I I it's a balanced program, it's design designed to sort of deliver, moderate expectations for for volume growth, and and factoring in some sorts of levels of risk, but I think as I look at the risk this year, frankly, it doesn't even feel as great as it was last year, and and last year turned out okay.

I I think I think the outcome will be pretty good.

Zach Parham

Got it. Thanks, Chris.

Operator

The next question comes from Paul Diamond with Citi. Please go ahead.

Paul Diamond

Thanks. Good morning, all.

Thanks for taking my call. Just a quick one from me.

You guys talked a bit about the improvement in drilling feet per day, completion feet per day, and kind of that just general overall cycle improvement. I guess, just trying to understand as we look forward, how much meat is left in that bone is there?

Do you think the recent trend is indicative of what we should expect over the next 12 to 18 months, or slightly below that?

Chris Stavros

I can't speak to precise estimates or a factor of improvement that's coming in the next 12 to 18 months. Is it likely to improve?

Yes. Gradually?

Yes. Some of that is some of the what I mentioned in an earlier response, just the consistency and understanding of not just where we're drilling, how we're completing, and the experience of not just the equipment, but the personnel that are driving the effort.

As you understand more, you unlock more efficiencies with time. I do expect that to gradually improve.

Paul Diamond

Understood. Appreciate the clarity, and all the best.

Operator

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