Astera Labs, Inc.

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Q4 FY2025 · Earnings Call TranscriptFebruary 10, 2026

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Carly, and I will be your conference operator today.

At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Astera Labs Q4 2025 earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise.

After management's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad.

If you would like to withdraw your question, press star 1 again. Thank you.

I will now turn the call over to Leslie Green, Investor Relations for Astera Labs. Leslie, you may begin.

Leslie Green

Thank you, Carly. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the Astera Labs fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call.

Joining us on the call today are Jitendra Mohan, Chief Executive Officer and co-founder; Sanjay Gajendra, President and Chief Operating Officer and co-founder; and Mike Tate, Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started, I would like to remind everyone that certain comments made in this call today may include forward-looking statements regarding, among other things, expected future financial results, strategies and plans, future operations, and the markets in which we operate.

These forward-looking statements reflect management's current beliefs, expectations, and assumptions about future events, which are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties that are discussed in detail in today's earnings release and in the periodic reports and filings we file from time to time with the SEC, including the risks set forth in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K. It is not possible for the company's management to predict all risks and uncertainties that could have an impact on these forward-looking statements or the extent to which any factor or combination of factors may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any forward-looking statements.

In light of these risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, the results, events, or circumstances reflected in the forward-looking statements discussed during this call may not occur, and actual results could differ materially from those anticipated or implied. All of our statements are made based on information available to management as of today, and the company undertakes no obligation to update such statements after the date of this call, except as required by law.

Also during this call, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we consider to be an important measure of the company's performance. These non-GAAP financial measures are provided in addition to, and not as a substitute for, financial results prepared in accordance with U.S.

GAAP. A discussion of why we use non-GAAP financial measures and reconciliations between our GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures is available in the earnings release we issued today, which can be accessed through the Investor Relations portion of our website.

With that, I would like to turn the call over to Jitendra Mohan, CEO of Astera Labs. Jitendra?

Jitendra Mohan

Thank you, Leslie. Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining our fourth quarter conference call for fiscal year 2025.

Today, I'll provide an overview of our Q4 and full year 2025 results, followed by a discussion around the current trends within the AI infrastructure market. I will then turn the call over to Sanjay to walk through Astera Labs' near- and long-term growth profile.

Finally, Mike will give an overview of our Q4 2025 financial results and provide details regarding our financial guidance for Q1 2026. Astera Labs delivered strong results in Q4 with revenue at $270.6 million, up 17% from the prior quarter and up 92% versus Q4 of last year.

For full year 2025, revenue was $852.5 million, up 115% versus the prior year. Growth within the quarter and for the year was broad-based, spanning across our signal conditioning, smart cable module, and switched fabric product portfolios, as we continue to diversify our business profile with several new design wins across multiple customers.

Secular trends remain robust within the AI and cloud infrastructure space, supported by exceptionally strong spending commentary coming from the top U.S. hyperscalers, with Google and AWS alone guiding nearly $400 billion in total CapEx spending for 2026.

We are benefiting from this increased spending both in the near-term and long-term. Furthermore, the market opportunity for our intelligent connectivity platform is substantially larger than we initially anticipated, encompassing multiple product lines, physical media types, form factors, and protocols for both standard and custom applications.

Starting with Scorpio, our P-Series family continued its volume ramp at our lead customer with growth coming from both existing and incremental platform designs. For the full year, Scorpio P-Series exceeded our target of 10% of revenue and remains the only PCIe 6 fabric shipping in volume in the market.

Looking into 2026, we anticipate continued growth for Scorpio P-Series at our lead customer, as well as commencing shipments into at least two additional major hyperscalers on their next-generation AI platforms. Moving to Scorpio X-Series, we expect to incrementally grow revenue in the first half of 2026, followed by a transition to high-volume production in the second half of 2026.

We continue to make excellent progress with additional engagements looking to leverage PCIe for scale-up networking. As previously communicated, we are engaged with 10-plus customers for Scorpio X family, and our current expectation is that we will ship initial quantities of Scorpio X-Series to support new customer platforms in the second half of 2026 with volume ramps set for 2027.

Solid traction continues to develop with respect to UALink, with a vibrant ecosystem including product announcements, broad IP availability, and compliance methodologies being finalized. Recent public roadmap announcements from AWS and AMD, along with other ongoing engagements, indicate a broad adoption.

UALink remains the highest performance, lowest latency, fully open solution for AI scale-up connectivity, and we will be ready to intercept initial customer platform ramps in 2027. Our Aries portfolio continues to perform well, with PCIe 6 solutions contributing robust growth during the quarter and the overall portfolio growing nearly 70% year-over-year in 2025.

The demand for Aries is driven by increasing deployments of custom AI accelerators at large hyperscalers. Our Aries Gen 6 products are the industry's only PCIe 6 DSP retimer solutions shipping to customers in high volume today, and we are well positioned to maintain our leadership role in the market.

We remain very early in the PCIe 6 transition cycle and anticipate additional customers will launch PCIe 6-capable AI accelerators and systems throughout 2026 and into 2027. As a result, we expect our Aries product line to continue growing in 2026 and beyond.

Taurus was our strongest performing product family during Q4, as new programs began shipping in volume to support designs across both AI and general purpose systems. In 2025, we saw Taurus revenue grow by more than 4x year-over-year, driven by a breadth of 400-gig designs that will serve as a baseline for continued growth in 2026.

We look for the transition to 800-gig switching platforms to be the next catalyst for market expansion, driving further growth opportunities for Taurus. Finally, we made good progress with our Leo CXL memory expansion products in 2025 and look to build upon that in 2026.

We are excited to announce our partnership with Microsoft, Intel, and SAP to enable customers to evaluate CXL memory expansion capabilities for their specific workloads within Microsoft Azure M-Series virtual machines. This program represents the industry's first publicly announced deployment of CXL attached memory, and we expect initial production volumes to commence in the second half of 2026.

Overall, we are proud of the progress we have made in 2025. We added new product lines to service more sockets and address custom applications, increased the dollar content per accelerator, diversified our customer base with new design wins, and scaled our operations.

This progress and a strong track record of technology and operational execution has helped us forge tight relationships with key AI and cloud infrastructure providers. As an example, an update on our relationship with Amazon can be found in our 8-K filed today.

Looking ahead, the combination of growing AI infrastructure deployments and the increasing complexity of high-speed interconnect architectures is poised to drive significant growth for the AI connectivity space. We estimate our served addressable market opportunity will expand by more than 10x over the next five years to reach $25 billion.

This market opportunity spans our existing and announced copper-based product families, including Aries and Taurus signal conditioning solutions, Scorpio AI fabric switches, Leo CXL memory controllers, and our recently announced custom solutions for scale-up connectivity. While these numbers and opportunities are substantial and exciting, there is a significant amount of work that needs to be done.

Astera Labs is deeply committed to building an A-plus team with an execution mindset and capabilities essential to support our customers' technology roadmap and maximize our share of the large market opportunity ahead of us. Therefore, we are strategically investing in the expansion of our team and capabilities to execute against a broadening set of revenue opportunities generated by our customers.

We took an exciting step in this direction this week with the announcement of a significant expansion in our global engineering operations through the establishment of an advanced design center in Israel. Our investment in this talented ASIC engineering team substantially increases our resource pool and will help accelerate development of cutting-edge high-bandwidth and custom AI fabrics and emerging AI inference technology.

I would like to take a moment to thank our global team of Asterans, our partners, and our vendors, who worked tirelessly in 2025 to deliver world-class AI connectivity solutions to the market. Their steadfast focus and effort have placed Astera Labs in a position of strength heading into 2026, as we continue solving next-generation AI connectivity challenges.

Finally, we announced today that Mike Tate will transition from the CFO role into a full-time role as a strategic advisor reporting to me. Mike has been instrumental in Astera Labs' growth and development since inception, and we are very grateful for his many contributions.

We're also very excited to announce Desmond Lynch will join Astera Labs as our new CFO effective March 2nd. Desmond brings great semiconductor financial experience to the company, and we look forward to drawing on his expertise as we enter our next phase of growth.

We are also thankful that Mike will continue to work full-time in his new role to support the company and ensure a smooth transition to Desmond. With that, let me turn the call over to our President and COO, Sanjay Gajendra, to outline our vision for growth over the next several years.

Sanjay Gajendra

Thanks, Jitendra, and good afternoon, everyone. Today, I want to provide an update on our recent execution, followed by an overview of the meaningful market opportunities that will fuel our growth over the next several years.

Astera Labs' mission is to deliver a purpose-built intelligent connectivity platform with a portfolio of solutions, including silicon, hardware, and software for rack-scale AI deployments. Over the past several years, we have been building our portfolio, expanding our capabilities with foundational IP, growing our talent pool, and demonstrating the technical and operational execution, which has helped us to establish multigenerational partnerships with leading AI platform and cloud service providers.

Looking ahead, we plan to deliver technology enhancements to our core portfolio of AI fabrics, signal conditioners, and memory controllers, while also expanding our breadth of capabilities to new categories, including custom connectivity solutions, products to address memory bottlenecks in inference applications, optical engines, and other optical solutions for scale-up and scale-out networks. Let me now provide an update on our future product strategy.

Starting with AI fabrics, we have been thrilled with the initial traction of Scorpio P-Series and X-Series over the last 18 months. Looking into 2026, we are poised to see diversification with our P-Series solutions for head node connectivity at new hyperscaler customers, in addition to the volume ramp of our X-Series solutions for scale-up networking.

Exiting 2026, we expect Astera Labs to continue being the market's leading provider of PCIe 6 switching solutions and will become a leading provider of merchant scale-up AI fabrics. Our early engagements have been crucial to our understanding of the nuances of deploying complex AI fabrics at scale, while also identifying new and innovative approaches to expand our roadmap.

Furthermore, hyperscalers are demanding flexible connectivity solutions optimized for their unique architectural approaches and application needs, i.e., one size does not fit all. These requirements lend themselves to our software-defined architecture for silicon products, which will now extend to wider radix configurations, multiprotocol support, in-network computing, and ultimately the incorporation of photonic switch-to-accelerator links.

These new requirements, coupled with larger XPU cluster sizes, are expanding the merchant scale-up switching market opportunity, which we believe will grow to roughly $20 billion annually by 2030. Our current roadmap across PCIe, UALink, and platform-specific scale-up topologies put us in pole position to service at least half of this merchant silicon opportunity in the near- to medium-term, with aspirations to address the entire market opportunity over the next several years.

Moving to our signal conditioning portfolio, we saw tremendous growth in 2025 with both Aries and Taurus. Looking into 2026, we anticipate strong additional growth fueled by robust secular trends and technology evolution.

Across the portfolio, we are well positioned to benefit from forthcoming protocol specification upgrades for PCIe and Ethernet that will double bandwidth capabilities and therefore drive additional reach extension content. Given the market size and growth rate, we'll continue to heavily invest in these portfolios with current developments stretching out to PCIe Gen 7, UALink 200-gig, and 1.6T Ethernet applications.

We remain well positioned as market leaders in both arenas and will look to leverage our AI fabric engagements to drive additional opportunities within these categories. During Q4, we announced an expansion of our product portfolio to include custom connectivity solutions to address next-generation AI infrastructure featuring heterogeneous compute resources.

Our initial prospects in the custom solutions space will help to enable NVIDIA's NVLink Fusion scale-up architecture for hybrid racks, and we are seeing opportunities to support additional hyperscalers to provide interconnect flexibility and optionality. Through close collaboration with hyperscaler customers and leveraging a broad range of foundational technologies and operational expertise, Astera Labs is well positioned to provide a broad set of solutions tailored to custom applications.

Next, we're working closely with key customers to define, develop, and build optical connectivity engines for scale-up networking. These silicon photonics solutions will ultimately help to enhance both our AI fabric and signal conditioning portfolios as XPU cluster density scales.

We believe that transition to optical connectivity for scale-up applications will be additive to the overall AI networking market size, with copper and optical links coexisting from a system standpoint. This could more than double the merchant scale-up switching opportunity.

Additionally, the discrete high-density connectors added through our X-Scale acquisition are seeing strong interest and are being qualified for scale-up applications. Along with our expanding portfolio of AI platform solutions, we continue to make meaningful progress towards further diversifying our cloud infrastructure customer base.

In 2025, we have seen customer activity and engagements accelerate across all product categories as AI and cloud providers look to Astera Labs to help solve their next-generation infrastructure challenges. Many of these engagements have converted to design wins and will meaningfully broaden revenue across multiple hyperscalers as we exit 2026.

In conclusion, Astera Labs has arrived at a critical inflection point. Strong fundamental momentum has been generated over the past several years with solid execution helping to build mature, multigenerational customer relationships.

Robust secular trends within rack-scale AI infrastructure and criticality of intelligent connectivity solutions are catalysts for a material expansion of our market opportunity. These factors give us the confidence to reinvest in ourselves, our customers, and our partners to drive the deployment of AI infrastructure.

We look forward to scaling our team with a continued strong emphasis on execution and invest to deliver on our rack-scale vision throughout 2026. With that, I will turn the call over to our CFO, Mike Tate, who will discuss our Q4 financial results and our Q1 outlook.

Mike Tate

Thanks, Sanjay, and thanks to everyone for joining the call. This overview of our Q4 financial results and Q1 guidance will be on a non-GAAP basis.

The primary difference in Astera Labs' non-GAAP metrics is stock-based compensation, acquisition-related costs, and its related income tax effects. Please refer to today's press release available on the Investor Relations section of our website for more details on both our GAAP and non-GAAP Q1 financial outlook, as well as a reconciliation of our GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures presented on this call.

For Q4 of 2025, Astera Labs delivered quarterly revenue of $270.6 million, which was up 17% versus the previous quarter and 92% higher than the revenue of Q4 of 2024. During the quarter, we enjoyed revenue growth from our Scorpio, Aries, and Taurus product lines, supporting both scale-up and scale-out PCIe and Ethernet connectivity for a wide range of AI rack-level configurations.

Scorpio P-Series demand for PCIe Gen 6 switching applications was robust during Q4. Scorpio X-Series shipped pre-production quantities during the quarter.

Aries demonstrated growth during the quarter with Aries 6 revenue growing strongly, as we began shipping PCIe Gen 6 SCMs for scale-up topologies in high volume. Taurus displayed strong growth during the quarter, driven by the ramp of new 400-gig programs for scale-out connectivity for both AI systems and general purpose platforms.

Q4 non-GAAP gross margin was 75.7%. That was down 70 basis points from the September quarter levels, primarily due to a higher mix of hardware sales.

Non-GAAP operating expenses for Q4 was $96 million, were up $16 million from the previous quarter due to the continued expansion of our R&D organization, including the X-Scale acquisition that closed during the quarter. Within Q4 non-GAAP operating expenses, R&D expenses were $70.7 million, sales and marketing expenses were $11.1 million, and general and administrative expenses were $14.2 million.

Non-GAAP operating margins for Q4 was 40.2%, down 150 basis points from the previous quarter. Interest income in Q4 was $12 million.

Our non-GAAP tax rate for Q4 was 13%. Non-GAAP fully diluted share count for Q4 was 181.2 million shares, and our non-GAAP diluted earnings per share for the quarter was 58 cents.

Cash flow from operating activities for Q4 was $95.3 million, and we ended the quarter with cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities of $1.19 billion. Now turning to our guidance for Q1 of fiscal 2026.

We expect Q1 revenues to increase to within a range of $286 million and $297 million, up roughly 6% to 10% from the fourth quarter levels. For Q1, we expect Aries growth to be driven by a variety of AI platforms across both scale-up and scale-out connectivity.

Taurus growth is expected to be driven by increased volumes of 400-gig designs for AI scale-up connectivity. Scorpio growth will be primarily driven by the continued deployment of our P-Series solutions for scale-out applications and initial volumes of our Scorpio X-Series for scale-up switching.

We expect Q1 non-GAAP gross margins to be approximately 74% with the increased mix of our hardware-based solutions in the quarter. We expect first quarter non-GAAP operating expenses to be in the range of approximately $112 million to $118 million.

As previously outlined, our customers continue to present us with numerous large revenue opportunities for AI connectivity solutions. The planned increase in operating expenses will enable us to capitalize on these opportunities.

This guidance includes expenses related to an acqui-hire transaction we closed this quarter, which helped us rapidly scale our recently announced Israel design center. Interest income is expected to be approximately $11 million.

Our non-GAAP tax rate should be approximately 12%. Our non-GAAP fully diluted share count is expected to be approximately 184 million shares.

Adding this all up, we are expecting non-GAAP fully diluted earnings per share to be approximately 53 cents to 54 cents. Lastly, I would like to welcome Desmond as our new incoming CFO, and I believe is a perfect fit for the company at this exciting stage of the company's growth trajectory.

I look forward to continuing to support the company in my new role while also ensuring a smooth CFO transition. This concludes our prepared remarks, and once again, we appreciate everyone joining the call, and now we will open the line for questions.

Operator?

Operator

At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, then the number 1 on your telephone keypad. We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster.

Your first question comes from Blayne Curtis with Jefferies.

Blayne Curtis

Hey, guys. Good afternoon.

Thanks for taking my question. Congrats on the results, and congrats, Mike, on the new role.

I just want to ask you, obviously this warrant, $6.5 billion is a huge number, I might already know the answer, but it seems like one of the biggest debates is still the acceptance of UALink for these next-gen designs. You mentioned two lead customers mentioning it.

I'm just kind of curious, as people think about your UALink switch opportunity, particularly at your largest customer versus the custom connectivity and maybe them using NVLink, and just kind of curious with this deal is there any better visibility, if you can kind of think about that mix between hybrid boxes and native UALink at your lead customer?

Jitendra Mohan

Thanks, Blayne. Maybe let me start and then Mike can chime in on the warrant itself.

As clearly AWS announced at re:Invent that the Trainium4, which is slated to ramp in 2027, will support UALink, which was a very positive endorsement of UALink, as well as support for NVLink Fusion. Subsequently, AMD has also announced that their MI500 series will also support UALink, again in 2027.

These are two very good public announcements in support of UALink, and there are several other discussions that are ongoing. UALink ecosystem is humming.

We've got great availability of IP, a lot of vendor announcements, and so on. We will be ready with our UALink solution to intercept the ramp that happens in 2027.

Now for NVLink Fusion, this also represents a meaningful opportunity for us. Before we jump into what the opportunity is, I do want to call out the fact that both Amazon, the hyperscaler, as well as NVIDIA have chosen Astera as a partner.

That's a very important statement in terms of the trust that they place in Astera Labs. The opportunity itself is to take the native protocol that the XPU or the ASIC speaks and translate that into NVLink.

This is a sophisticated function, and we have a solution that we will deploy to address this. Given the fact that this solution attaches to the XPU on a one-to-one basis, we anticipate the overall revenues to be in line with a switched opportunity where we might be selling a UALink switch.

All in all, exact mix of how much NVLink Fusion would be deployed versus a native solution would be deployed remains to be seen, but for us, the opportunity is roughly the same for both.

Mike Tate

Just to point out, we did file under 8-K our warrant agreement with Amazon today, it demonstrates our strong relationship with Amazon. Under the terms of the warrant agreement, we're issuing 3.3 million warrant shares that vest upon the achievement of performance conditions comprises specified tranches of payments to purchase up to $6.5 billion of our smart fabric switches, signal conditioning products, and also our optical engine solutions.

Thanks.

Blayne Curtis

I actually wanted to ask you on that last part. I thought it was interesting even talking more about optical, it's part of that warrant agreement.

Can you maybe just talk about, you talked about it doubling your TAM, maybe timing on that?

Jitendra Mohan

Blayne, we think that the optical for scale-up, the timing should be somewhere in 2028. We do believe that the initial deployment for optical technologies, CPO in particular, might happen with scale-out and that might precede the deployment of scale-up.

Blayne Curtis

Thanks, guys. Congrats.

Operator

Your next question comes from Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley.

Joe Moore

Great, thank you. You talked a little bit about the OpEx increase.

I guess it's a pretty big step function up. Can you talk about was the acquisition a part of that, small, and then, as you look out to these optical scale-up aspirations, I assume that's expensive.

Just kind of any incremental sense of why the OpEx is coming up so much so quickly?

Mike Tate

Yeah. Hey, Joe.

Over the last couple of quarters, we've been having a lot of advanced dialogues with our customers, and they're presenting us with significant revenue opportunities that we really feel now's the time to really invest in, as we spoke on the call. The TAM is much bigger than we originally expected, just when we measured it just 12, 18 months ago.

We are increasing our investments to pursue these opportunities. Last quarter in Q4, we did close the X-Scale acquisition, now we have a full quarter in Q1.

Then just recently in this quarter, we closed another acqui-hire where we got a very sizable, capable team to help us scale up our new Israel design center, where we just also brought in very exciting, capable leadership as well. This is all to pursue these opportunities our customers are pushing us to develop for them.

Joe Moore

Thank you. Then you talked about UALink.

I know there's also a fair amount of noise over the course of the quarter about ESUN, Ethernet scale-up. Can you just kind of talk about the handicapping those two technologies and how you see those technologies coexisting going forward?

Jitendra Mohan

The scale-up networking world, that remains a very large market and it'll include proprietary approaches, such as NVLink or Google's ICI, and will also include the merchant and standard approaches, such as PCI Express, UALink, Ethernet, and ESUN. What we are seeing is that hyperscalers are going to leverage the type of solutions that their software stack is designed for.

For example, if a customer is using a memory-centric protocol, like NVLink or like PCI Express, they are likely to continue to use that and transition to UALink as those solutions become available. At the same time, the customers that are using Ethernet are likely to stay with Ethernet, and then maybe move to ESUN when ESUN becomes available.

This is overall a very big market, and there is a lot of room for different solutions to coexist. We do indeed think that these solutions will coexist.

We are primarily developing solutions where our customers are asking us to, which happens to be PCI Express, UALink, and now increasingly on NVLink Fusion.

Joe Moore

Great, thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Vivek Arya with Bank of America.

Vivek Arya

Thanks for taking my, question. On Scorpio, I'm curious if it achieved that, 20% of sales, I think milestone that you had set in in Q4.

If it did, is this kind of $200-ish million, with this $200-ish million run rate, where do you see the outlook for Scorpio, at a high level for 2026?

Mike Tate

Yeah. Scorpio continues to perform very well.

It just launched for the first time in Q2 of this year, and it did break above our 15% for the year, and it grew very nicely in Q4. This is all on the Scorpio P, primarily, which is scale-out switching.

We did say we just started to ship initial volumes here in Scorpio X, and then that will have increasing volumes as we enter into 2026, with a much more material ramp in the back half of the year. Scorpio by far is our biggest TAM right now, it's growing at a very fast clip as a result of that.

Vivek Arya

Okay. For my follow-up, Jitendra, how do you see your content as NVIDIA moves to the Vera Rubin generation versus the Blackwell generation, right?

Whatever the NVIDIA racks are deployed and the Vera Rubin, do you think they let them capture more of their proprietary content, or do you still see enough opportunity for Astera wherever Vera Rubin is installed? Thank you.

Jitendra Mohan

Vivek, a great question. As we have established now that the opportunity for Astera arises when our customers do custom deployments of the Grace Blackwell or in the future, Vera Rubin reference designs.

We have very minimal opportunity with the reference design itself. The initial ramps that Mike just referred to were happening as part of these customized deployment of Grace Blackwell platform by our lead hyperscaler customers.

As that hyperscaler customer announced at their public event, they want to continue to deploy Vera Rubin also as a custom deployment. We will certainly do our best to make sure that we are part of that solution as well, as the designs transition from Grace Blackwell to Vera Rubin.

Vivek Arya

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Tore Svanberg with Stifel.

Tore Svanberg

Yes, thank you. Congratulations on the results, and, Mike, congratulations on your new role.

I had a follow-up question for Sanjay. Sanjay, when you talked about the SAM by 2030, $20 billion, you'll be able to address half of that today.

You said, PCIe, UALink, and then platform-specific scale-up topologies. I'm just curious, is the world changing a little bit where there's less reliance on standards and there's more platform-specific scale-up initiatives?

Is that also why you are stepping up your OpEx as much as you are this quarter?

Sanjay Gajendra

If we think of a scale-up topology, you're interconnecting accelerators, and to that standpoint, these accelerators could be a merchant silicon or could be an internal custom ASIC. Because these are homogeneous links and everyone is trying to eke out the maximum amount of bandwidth and performance on the connectivity side, in general, what you'll expect is there's quite a bit of customization that will be needed.

Now, with Astera, we're unique in the sense that our fabrics are designed to be software-defined in the sense that they can be updated to do certain things that are custom and optimized for the specific scale-up topology. What we've tried to do is not do one silicon for every opportunity, but to be able to leverage the same piece of silicon, but to be able to customize that in many different ways.

In some ways, we are making sure that the investment that we do is managed and the differentiation comes from software rather than keep doing a unique silicon for everyone. Now, having said that, the thing that we are seeing is a tremendous influx of opportunities, and that's largely coming from the fact that we've spent about 12 to 15 months sort of being in this scale-up domain, and we have learned a lot.

There's a lot of unique things that become critical when you're designing scale-up fabrics, and that learning has enabled us to better present our solution, as well as the feature set that we're incorporating in our new product lines. Those are gaining interest and support from several new customers.

To support that is where we see a need to step up our R&D, meaning the time to invest is now, and this will help us as we think about the longer-term growth of the company, as well as our position in the scale-up market.

Tore Svanberg

That's great color. Thank you.

A quick follow-up for you, Jitendra, just to clarify. I think you said Scorpio X, pre-production still first half of this year, then you start the ramp with your lead customer second half, but I think you also said that you expect to have some pre-production with additional customers beyond your lead customer in the second half with ramps in '27.

Just want to make sure that I got that right.

Jitendra Mohan

Yep, that's correct. There is a lot of traction for the Scorpio X family for customers who are trying to use PCI Express and the memory-centric protocol for their scale-up.

We are fielding so many different calls, and we expect some of those to get qualified towards the end of this year and then ramp in '27.

Tore Svanberg

Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Ross Seymore with Deutsche Bank.

Ross Seymore

Hi, guys. Thanks for letting me ask the question.

Mike, congrats on the new role. You'll be missed.

I guess my first question is on the OpEx side of things. You're basically spending about $100 million run rate more than you were prior.

I get that the revenue opportunity is larger, but can you give us a little bit of idea on what the time-to-revenue would be in this when you say now's the time to invest? I know the 2030 numbers are big, but is that when today's investment pays off, or should we expect things sooner than that?

Just any more color on the OpEx would be helpful.

Mike Tate

There's a range, but the technology that we're developing does have a longer lead time there, but there are new opportunities that can be turned into silicon in relatively shorter, and then you have the qualification process with the customers, but you could see from start to revenues in 18, 24 months is on the earlier side. Also keep in mind, we've been looking at optical from the inception of the company knowing that at some point, it was going to be very important as a connectivity supplier, we've been putting the pieces together internally and, including the new acquisition that we had last year, but we're building something internally that other companies are paying billions of dollars for to get externally.

By doing this, we're doing it the right way and we're building it the Astera way along with input from our customers. Our development's closely aligned with input from our customers as well.

Ross Seymore

Thanks for that, Mike. I guess as my follow-up on to the Scorpio family, I believe you said it crossed 15% of sales in 2025, I just want to clarify if that was true, but perhaps more importantly, any sort of bogies as far as the growth rate this year?

I believe in the past you talked about it would crossover and become your biggest product line at some point this year. Is that still the case, any updates on those sorts of timing and magnitude?

Mike Tate

We we originally set up, for a 10% bogey. We we did we did cross above 15% for 2025.

Again, that's all just P-Series. X X is, for scale-up is is a much bigger, larger, TAM for us, and that, we're starting to ship initial volumes, in the first half, but the more material step up in the back half.

The combination of those two will put us on a trajectory for it to be us our biggest product line, but, Aries and Taurus and Leo are all growing as well, it's it's hard to know exactly when it'll cross over. Um, but, at definitely at some point it will, and it and it will, it's going to drive, very good, revenue growth for us.

Ross Seymore

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Your next question comes from Sebastien Naji with William Blair.

Sebastien Naji

Great. Thank you for taking the question, and congrats on the results.

Just in terms of the more customized solutions that you're building, is it right to think that your average ASP for those solution or the content opportunity should go up meaningfully versus some of your existing products? Is there anything to call out in terms of maybe a different margin or different profitability profile for those solutions?

Sanjay Gajendra

To confirm, you're referring to the Scorpio X?

Sebastien Naji

That's right. That's right.

Sanjay Gajendra

Or the custom? Sorry, I didn't hear the first part.

Sebastien Naji

Yes, for the customized solutions that you're building for some of your hyperscaler customers.

Sanjay Gajendra

The custom solution that we build, for example, the NVLink Fusion opportunity that we noted, the engagement model, of course, tends to be different, but the attach rate will also tend to be higher. I think from a volume standpoint, it'll be at a certain rate.

The ASPs, there will be some considerations that have to be applied because there will be blocks that will come from the partners that we work with. End of the day, I think like Jitendra highlighted, when it comes to our revenue content, both based on a native switch versus a custom solution, think sort of evened up, where on the native switches, it tends to be one switch being shared across a few accelerators, whereas in the custom solution type of products, you're doing it one per accelerator, which means that you'll have higher attach rate, although the ASP might not be at the same level.

Jitendra Mohan

May I add, Sebastien, in general, a helpful thing that we have found is every generation of XPU, our content has grown up so far, and we continue to head in that direction of having more dollar content per XPU generation.

Sebastien Naji

Got it. That's really helpful.

Maybe as a quick follow-up just on the Taurus line, is there a way to think about how much of the strong growth you're seeing there is coming from just strong underlying market growth versus Astera's ability to gain share in that market?

Sanjay Gajendra

I want to say both, but definitely as speeds have gone up from 400 to 800-gig, the need for active components, whether it's on-board or within cables, in the form of AECs is growing. That fact is not changing.

Our business model is slightly different, as probably you're aware. We don't do the whole cable.

We do the modules that go inside the cable assemblies and rely on our cable partners to provide the at-scale deployment with multiple vendors supporting the same opportunity. To that standpoint, what I would say is that we are seeing that transition happening.

You can see that with some of the numbers that we shared today. Our Taurus revenue has gone up, Q4 and generally for the whole year.

It's about 4x. We expect that trend to continue.

Again, we won't be called in on Day 1 because of the business model that we have, but as volume picks up, even for 800-gig, what we're expecting is that Astera will come in strong with multiple cable suppliers using our module to support the high-volume ramp.

Sebastien Naji

Great. That's really helpful.

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is from Sean O'Loughlin with TD Cowen.

Sean O'Loughlin

Hey, good afternoon, guys, and thanks for letting me take the question. I have a question and congrats on nice results.

Mike, congrats on your retirement and hopefully a little bit of an easier new role of the company here. I wanted to ask on the warrant agreement and maybe get some background on sort of one, there's a period of exercise to 2033, I believe, and then there's a dollar amount associated with it to the extent that you're able to talk about sort of what drove the two companies to reach the agreement, and should we think about this as maybe incremental to what you already had expected to be doing with that customer over that time frame, and then anything you could give on linearity, that'd be great.

Thanks.

Mike Tate

I can't go into much more detail than what we publicly disclosed. In the 8-K, we did file the full warrant agreement, you can kind of get some of the more material terms out of that filing.

It does demonstrate the strong relationship that we have with Amazon. This is a follow-on warrant.

We've had a previous warrant agreement in place, and what happens is the warrants are earned as revenue milestones are achieved, which is the $6.5 billion that we outlined. To account for the warrant, you do take a non-cash charge for the value of what vests, and that goes directly against revenue and effectively directly against gross margins as well.

As the warrants are achieved, we are kind of modeling a non-cash hit to gross margins of about 2 points a quarter, starting kind of in the Q2 time frame. The warrants have a life, like you outlined, for seven years.

Sean O'Loughlin

Great. Thanks.

If I could ask another, unfortunately, financial follow-up on the NVLink Fusion agreements and whether it's with Amazon or whether it's with any other hyperscaler that might adopt that topology, what does that financial arrangement look like? Is that a license that the hyperscaler is paying directly to NVIDIA and they sort of grant you the IP, or is that something that gets incorporated into the ASP and the margin profile of that product?

Sanjay Gajendra

Here. Obviously, we can't answer that question just given all the NDAs and other things that we need to be respectful of.

In general, what I would say is that it opens up a completely new set of opportunities for us to play in the NVLink ecosystem, which we did not have a place so far. To that standpoint, this is additive to everything that we're talking about.

In terms of the exact business model, I think we'll let the hyperscalers or NVIDIA provide more color.

Sean O'Loughlin

Great. Thanks again, guys.

Operator

Your next question comes from Karl Ackerman with BNP Paribas.

Karl Ackerman

Yes. Mike, you noted that some of the increase in OpEx is being driven by your investments in optical and following your acquisition of AI X-Scale.

Do you anticipate your customer opportunity for integrating your optical-packaged covered technology is larger for a switch portfolio than your signal conditioning and SCM products? I have a follow-up.

Jitendra Mohan

Maybe let me take that and then Mike can chime in afterwards. I would say that the opportunity for including optical into scale-up is actually a very large opportunity, probably larger than the signal conditioning opportunity that we have, of the order of what we're saying for scale-up fabric connectivity.

We have not quite sized it up exactly, but it is a very large opportunity, and we are working very closely with our customers to understand what their requirements are and what their time frames are, and we'll be ready to intercept those. We believe for scale-up, in particular, that's likely to be in 2028.

Karl Ackerman

Got it. A follow-up, if I may.

Go ahead. Go ahead.

Sanjay Gajendra

Also just to maybe add to that, right, I know optical is an important area for us to invest in, and we're doing that with some unique architecture and capabilities. I'd also say that the increase in investment we're doing, like Mike outlined, these are also servicing opportunities on the fabric side, which are much more based upon existing engagement, and as customers have seen the value of what we offer, they're coming back with requests for additional lane count or radix configurations or features and things like that.

The investment that we're talking about, including the Israel team that we've set up, which will focus on AI fabrics, is all being done in a way that we get the near-term, mid-term, and long-term growth, setting us up nicely for building on the momentum we have and getting to a different scale from a revenue standpoint.

Karl Ackerman

Got it. Very helpful.

You indicated that you have Scorpio P design wins now with three hyperscalers, two of which are new. Are your Scorpio P designs based on custom compute designs or are they also being designed on custom GPU racks as well?

Then, clearly, you're having traction here, if you could perhaps address the opportunity that you see with Scorpio P extending into 2026. I know there's a lot of focus on Scorpio X, but perhaps you could spend some time on the engagements you have, as well as the opportunity that you see on Scorpio P into '26.

Thank you.

Sanjay Gajendra

No, it's mostly going into scale-out use cases. Now that we have ramped the chip in reasonable volume over the last three, four quarters, we are seeing additional customers, specifically like we called out, two new hyperscalers that have adopted it.

They're going into production a little bit later towards the end of this year. These design-ins are supporting platforms that are both merchant GPU-based as well as custom accelerators.

We do expect these to add meaningful revenue for us in 2027. Beyond this, again, these are the ones we called out just given the significance of this design win, but in general, I want to say for the P-Series, ever since we announced, it's been attracting a lot of customer interest and traction, and we do have several design wins on that in different lane count configurations and so on.

That continues to be a device that has been, I want to say at this point we're probably still the only one that's in high-volume production with our Gen 6 switches. It's serving many customers and use cases.

Karl Ackerman

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Srini Pajjuri with RBC Capital Markets.

Srini Pajjuri

Thank you. Let me echo my congrats, Mike.

Look forward to, I guess, continuing to work with you, but it's been a pleasure over the past 20-plus years. My question, there's been a lot of skepticism about the growth of Aries retimers, and you continue to show that obviously this segment continues to grow, and you're projecting growth for this year as well.

If you could talk to us about what's driving that growth, is it primarily the units, or is it PCIe 6 transition, or is it new customers? Then as we go into '27, '28, how should we think about any potential implications as the market goes from copper to optical?

Jitendra Mohan

Yes. If you think about PCI Express, PCI Express is really the nervous system inside of a server.

All of the significant components, whether it's a GPU, or a CPU, or a NIC card, they talk to each other over PCI Express. We established an early lead in PCI Express with PCI Express Gen 4, Gen 5, and now extending that into PCI Express Gen 6.

We see not only the continued growth in what we call the chip-down applications, but we also see more growth of PCI Express in cabled applications where we sell our smart cable modules that does give us an uplift in the ASPs. These devices are used in scale-up applications.

Again, as we all understand, scale-up is a very rich opportunity where we have multiple connections and a lot of them. We are definitely benefiting from that trend with PCI Express going from Gen 5 to Gen 6.

Now, your question about transition from copper to optical. Most of our customers will continue to stay with copper for as long as they can.

That has been their preference all this time. We will reach a stage where maybe the reach or the bandwidth is just high enough and is not able to be supported by copper.

In those cases, we do expect a transition to optical, but copper and optical will continue to coexist for a long period of time. The transition to optical will likely come in the form of first pluggable optics, maybe followed by near-package optics, and eventually the holy grail, which is co-package optics, which all of us are working towards.

We expect to see the first deployments of co-package optics for scale-up sometime in the 2028 time

Srini Pajjuri

frame. Got it.

Then the other debate, Jitendra, is obviously UALink versus ESUN. I guess hypothetically, if the market moves more towards ESUN, I'm just curious.

Do you have the capability to pivot to ESUN, and if so, how quickly can you do that? I'm just curious because again, this is a debate that we can't answer sitting here because it's something that's going to happen in the future, but just wondering if the market were to go to ESUN, how do you see your position, what kind of role do you anticipate playing in that market?

Jitendra Mohan

I would say that we are much closer to the action, we understand who's doing what, largely for the initial deployments of the new scale-up protocols, whether it's UALink or Ethernet or ESUN. From a capability standpoint, it's definitely within reach.

We can, if we choose to design an ESUN-based solution, we can. However, as has been the trend with Astera, we listen to our customers very closely.

Far, everybody's telling us to focus on UALink, and that's what we are focusing on. As you say, if things were to shift towards ESUN, we certainly have the capability, and with the addition of the additional resources that we are deploying, we can definitely go in the direction of additional solutions.

As a matter of fact, I would say over time, our aspiration really is to address the full connectivity TAM, and not just limited to any one particular protocol.

Srini Pajjuri

Got it. Thanks, Jitendra.

Your next

Operator

question comes from Quinn Bolton with Needham & Company.

Robert Mertens

Hi, this is Robert on for Quinn. Thank you for taking the questions.

First wanted just to double-click more onto the Taurus AEC product offering. Can you maybe discuss how qualifications for your 800-gig AECs are progressing, and do you expect to be shipping 800-gig AECs to multiple hyperscalers this year?

Jitendra Mohan

So 800-gig is obviously starting to ramp up right now, and to that standpoint, what I can say is that we're very closely engaged with that from a qualification process standpoint. Given our business model, which is slightly different, like I highlighted early on, we come in as the volume starts expanding.

To that standpoint, you can expect a similar transition happening to our business as well with more deployments for 800-gig. 800-gig, like you highlighted before, is broad-based, meaning there are multiple customers that are using AECs for 800-gig.

Those are opportunities that we expect to gain from a revenue standpoint.

Robert Mertens

Thanks for the color there. Then just quickly on Scorpio P, just wanted to double-click a little bit more into that color.

Do you expect these additional P-Series customers to reach kind of the size and scale, I guess down the line as volume ramps with them, kind of in the second half of the year and beyond? I guess can these new customers be as big as your main hyperscaler there?

Jitendra Mohan

Yes, there is a potential for that.

Robert Mertens

Thank you.

Jitendra Mohan

I think the ones that we called out now, there are, like you noted, many P-Series opportunities and design wins we have, but specifically to the hyperscaler opportunities that we called out, these are mainstream use cases. We do expect them to have the revenue impact like what we've had so far.

Robert Mertens

Thank you.

Operator

Your final question comes from Tom O'Malley with Barclays.

Tom O'Malley

Hey, guys. Thanks for sneaking me in.

I just had one quick one and then a longer-term one. You announced two new hyperscalers for PCIe late in '26, you're saying revenue in '27.

Are those U.S. hyperscalers or are those Chinese hyperscalers?

Jitendra Mohan

U.S.

Tom O'Malley

Thanks. Then on the longer-term, I think you mentioned on the call about the MI500 series supporting UAL.

Obviously, the 400 series supports UAL, but it's over Ethernet. Are you saying that the 500 series will be native UAL or is it still going to be Ethernet supporting UAL?

Obviously, that's a big difference in what switches you're using. Thank you.

Jitendra Mohan

Yeah. Hey, Tom, I don't want to speak for our AI customer, but if you look at some of the publicly released information, they have said that they will continue to support both, but they've also said that they believe UALink native is the highest performance scale-up protocol.

Operator

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