Canadian Western Bank

Good morning everyone and welcome to our first quarter 2021 financial results conference call. My name is Patrick Gallagher, and I’m the Vice President, leading our Strategy and Investor Relations team.

I would like to remind listeners and webcast participants that statements about future events made on this call are forward-looking in nature and based on certain assumptions and analysis made by management. Actual results could differ materially from expectations due to various risks and uncertainties associated with CWB’s business.

Please refer to our forward-looking statement advisory on slide number 14. The agenda for today’s call is on the second slide.

Presenting to you today are Chris Fowler, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Matt Rudd, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Following their presentations, we'll open the lines for question-and-answer session.

I’ll now turn the call over to Chris who will begin his discussion on slide three.

Thank you, Patrick and good morning. We have a very strong start to the year.

Our team's delivered first quarter financial performance has surpassed our expectations as we execute on our strategic objectives. While we benefited from a lower provision for credit losses this quarter, the primary driver of our strong financial performance was growth in our net interest income.

Pretax pre-provision income increased 12% compared to last quarter, and improved our base case EPS expectations for the year. As we emerge from the pandemic, we may see a further upside if vaccine rollout occurs faster and opportunities to prudently grow loans accelerate earlier than currently anticipated.

Our key strategic objective has been to grow and diversify our funding sources and we delivered a strong first quarter result. Branch-raised deposit growth was 6% sequentially, marking the eighth consecutive quarter with a very strong increase.

Improved diversification of our funding base with strong growth and lower costs branch-raised deposits supports net interest margin resilience and revenue growth in this low interest rate environment. Another key strategic objective is to diversify our geographic footprint through accelerated growth in Ontario, and we also delivered a strong first quarter result.

Ontario loan growth accounted for over 40% of total loan growth this quarter. While it is early days for a new banking Center in Mississauga, its current business pipeline is one of the strongest in the country.

Our approach to managing credit risk has proven to be very effective and we continue to experience low write-offs as a percentage of total loans. While our impaired loans increased in the quarter, the increase is consistent with our expectations.

The increase included two specific connections and we remain confident in the strength, diversity, and underwriting structure of the overall loan portfolio. Our strategic objective to transform capital management from the standardized approach to the advanced internal ratings based approach is in the parallel run process.

Transition to the AIRB approach for regulatory capital includes tools and processes for day to day risk management that better equip us to allocate resources to target business segments that generate the most attractive risk adjusted returns and conduct stress testing at a very granular level. Carolyn Graham, our new Chief Risk Officer expects to use the full year to validate our AIRB tools and processes, while we operate under the parallel run.

Once complete, we will resubmit your application to OFSI for a review in the first half of 2022. Our strong performance reflects our relentless focus on creating unrivalled experiences for our clients.

In today's environment, we are combining our responsive personal service with innovative digital solutions. We launched end-to-end digital onboarding for all personal clients in 2020 to allow accounts to be opened online in the immediate -- with the immediate ability to transact.

In 2021, we will deliver the same end-to-end digital onboarding for all small and medium sized business owners. In addition through our partnership and collaboration with Terminus [ph], we are creating an innovative solution using their infinity digital banking product with explainable AI to support small and medium sized business owners.

Our new digital program will provide a seamless end-to-end digital banking experience to complement our high-touch personalized service. Our enhanced and targeted digital capabilities enables us to continue to grow and diversify our business across Canada by winning new clients both within and outside our brand's footprint, while further broadening our access to lower cost funding.

We also completed organizational redesign initiative that enhance our full service client experience in our target markets by repositioning and consolidating branches in Alberta and British Columbia. Including our branch in Mississauga that opened in August, we open new branches in both BC and Alberta that feature our refreshed client inspired design.

The initial feedback we've received from both our clients and teams is our new spaces are open and collaborative. We're focused to drive a positive and inclusive culture and employee experience that creates value for people and a clear destination for top talent.

Operating as an essential service during the pandemic has provided unique challenges for our client-facing team members in our banking centers. To thank them for their efforts and actions, we provided each of them a one-time bonus in December.

We also broaden the resources available to all our teams to build awareness and provide additional support around mental health and wellness. I'm impressed with our team's efforts as we continue to deliver our strategic objectives, transform our capabilities, and deliver strong financial results.

Our team's performance and their dedication to our strategy and clients made me proud to lead CWB. I will now turn the call over to Matt, who will provide greater detail on our first quarter performance and improved outlook for 2021.

Thanks, Chris and good morning everyone. Turning to slide four, on a full year basis, branch-raised deposit growth of 20% reflects our continued focus to grow our full service relationships with existing and new clients.

Demand and notice deposits, our lowest cost source of funding, increased 36% and now accounts for 41% of total funding that compares to 34% last year. In the quarter, we also issued a $500 million senior deposit note at our longest ever term length of seven years and at attractive interest rate.

We continued to drive a reduction in the outstanding balance of broker deposits, which now represent 22% of our total funding, down from 27% last year. Looking at slide five, our total loans increased 6% in the past year that was supported by 15% growth from our strategically targeted general commercial portfolio and 14% growth in Ontario.

Our very strong general commercial growth reflects ongoing efforts to increase full service relationships across our national footprint. Ontario continues to represent a significant proportion of our overall loan growth and Ontario based loans now represent 24% of our total loans.

Reflecting our current base case expectations for gradual recovery of the Canadian economy, we continue to expect to deliver mid-single-digit percentage annual loan growth similar to last year. This includes a continued focus on growing in Ontario in full service general commercial clients and with secured loans that offer both an appropriate return and acceptable risk profile.

As slide six shows, we had a very strong start to the year with our teams delivering first quarter financial performance that surpassed our expectations. Our common shareholders' net income increased 10% and pretax pre-provision income increased 9% compared to last year, despite the very low interest rate environment.

Adjusted EPS increased by $0.10 from the same quarter last year and as with growth of net income adding about $0.12 to EPS. The 7% increase in net interest income compared to last year reflects the benefit of 6% loan growth, partially offset by seven basis point declining net interest margin, which has been fairly stable considering the 150 basis point drop in the Bank of Canada policy rate over that same period.

The Wealth acquisition added a $0.01 to EPS, that's consistent with our expectations of modest initial contributions to earnings per share at first with further accretion expected starting next year. Excluding the impact of the Wealth acquisition, non-interest income growth provided another set of EPS, largely from gains on securities.

Also, excluding the Wealth acquisition, our non-interest expenses were up 6% year-over-year; that included the incremental costs associated with operating our AIRB tools and processes and the continued investment in our teams and technology to support strategic execution. Our total provision for credit losses of 18 basis points this quarter was flat to last year and did not contribute to growth in EPS compared to the prior year.

Our very strong sequential performance is shown on slide seven, our common shareholders' net income increased 25% and pretax pre provision income increased 12% compared to last quarter. Adjusted EPS increased $0.18 from last quarter.

A net recovery of $4 million in our estimated provision for credit losses on performing loans compared to a charge of $12 million last quarter did provide $0.05, but that was less than a third of the sequential EPS increase. The remaining $0.13 increase in ups was driven by strong core operating performance with $0.07 from higher net interest income, not reflected loan growth and a two basis point improvement in net interest margin and $0.05 of the EPS improvement reflected the expected seasonal decline in certain expenses that was partially offset by higher costs associated with operating our AIRB tools and processes for the parallel run, which did commence this quarter.

Our delivery of strong revenue growth again this quarter in a very challenging environment is shown on slide eight. Our net interest margin stabilized in the third quarter last year and has continued to build since then.

During this quarter, our net interest margin increased by two basis points as we were able to both drive very strong branch-raised deposit growth in demand and notice primarily, while also reducing the interest rates of certain deposit products to capture NIM. This benefit was partially offset by the impact of higher cash and securities balances.

The continued NIM expansion this quarter combined with 1% loan growth generated a 4% sequential growth in net interest income. Turning to slide nine, the credit quality of our portfolio and provision for credit losses continues to reflect the secured nature of our lending portfolio, disciplined underwriting practices, and practical management.

The first quarter provision for credit losses on total loans as a percentage of average loans was 18 basis points, flat to pre-pandemic period of Q1 last year and down from 26 basis points last quarter. The estimated provision for credit losses on performing loans was a net recovery of six basis points compared to a charge of three basis points last year, and a charge of 16 basis points last quarter.

Last quarter, the performing large loan provision charge reflected a further significant deterioration in macro-economic assumptions related to the estimated economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic and that resulted in a larger proportion of loans classified in Stage 2 last quarter. The recovery this quarter reflected an improvement in near-term economic forecast and resulted in a migration of loans back to Stage 1, with the percentage of loans and Stage 2 dropping from 34% to 13% this quarter.

At January 31st, our allowance for credit losses on performing loans totaled $126 million, the decrease of $4 million I previously referenced. Ongoing shifts and macroeconomic factors, portfolio defaults, or increases in the risk rating of our loans will continue to impact the performing loan allowance in future quarters.

But we are currently very comfortable with the adequacy of our performing loan allowance at this level. At 24 basis points, our provision on impaired loans was just slightly above our five-year trailing average.

While last year and last quarter were both significantly lower than our historical experience, gross impaired loans at January 31st totaled $284 million that was about [technical difficulty] million or 85 basis points last quarter. Our realized write-offs remain low this quarter, which has been consistent with our historical experience even through periods of elevated levels of gross impaired loan formations.

Our solid credit performance reflects our prudent underwriting, the secured nature of our lending portfolio, and our disciplined management of impaired loans through to resolution, while limiting realized loan losses. Based on our current outlook for the Canadian economy, as we do describe the further in our MD&A, we continue to expect that our total provision for credit losses for fiscal 2021 will remain at elevated levels compared to 2019, pre-pandemic period, but lower than the provision for credit losses we recognized for the full year of fiscal 2020.

We believe we could be on the high end of that range based on the expectation of an increase in gross impaired loan formations through this year, that's consistent with what we've experienced in past recessions. That said, we acknowledged that the current recession is unique, as is the level of government support and stimulus currently being provided, which makes the expected level of impaired loans and provisions required against those loans too difficult to predict.

As we note on slide 10, our capital ratios remain strong and stable through the volatile economic conditions of the last year, calculated using the standardized approach. At January 31st, our common equity Tier 1 ratio was 8.8%, that's consistent with last quarter and 30 basis points lower than last year, but that's entirely as a result of our Wealth management acquisition.

Both our Tier 1 and total capital ratios are above prior year. That reflects the benefit of $175 million of Tier 1 Limited Recourse Capital Notes we issued last quarter at 8.4%, our leverage ratio remains very strong.

As Chris noted earlier, our progression towards AIRB approval continues with a parallel run of our tools and processes currently underway. We expect that approval will provide a boost to our regulatory capital ratios compared to the standardized approach.

That's due to the more risk sensitive measurement of risk weighted assets under AIRB which will reflect our history of strong credit performance and low loan losses. Yesterday, our Board declared a common share dividend of $0.29 per share consistent with the dividend declared last year and last quarter.

Looking forward on slide 11, despite the provision for near-term volatility, we continue to expect the gradual recovery of the Canadian economy through 2021. Under this assumption, and building off our strong first quarter results, we now expect to deliver mid-single-digit percentage growth of adjusted earnings per common share for fiscal 2021.

Higher net interest income is expected to be driven by loan growth and a modest increase in net interest margin compared to last year that will reflect lower funding cost and strong branch-raised deposit growth. We also continue to expect non-interest income growth across all categories in fiscal 2021 with the exception of net gains on securities, where we benefited from some one-time gains last year and do not expect to realize significant gains in the current year.

Non-interest income is expected to continue to represent approximately 12% of our total revenue on a full year basis. We'll continue to make the plan investments in our strategic priorities to deliver an unrivalled experience for our clients.

This is expected to drive a higher level of non-interest expenses through the remainder of the year compared to the first quarter, that's based on the timing of these planned expenditures. As the year progresses, we'll ramp up our activity on our project to deliver an enhanced digital banking offering for business clients and that will position us for accelerated and scalable growth as the economy recovers, We do expect to hold our efficiency ratio below 50% on a full year basis and that's driven by stronger net interest income growth than previously expected.

If we excluded the impact of the Wealth acquisition we made last year, we expect that our efficiency ratio would be just outside the upper end of our previous target range of between 45% to 47%. But we look at that as reasonable as we'll continue to make the investments now to position us to capitalize on the growth opportunities that will emerge as the economy recovers.

With that, let's go ahead and open the lines for Q&A.

Thank you. Good morning.

The guidance you just provided they're very helpful employee answers some of the questions I had. But where I want to start, I guess is on the branch based deposit growth.

I mean, it's been a strategic priority for a while now. And you have seen good growth in prior quarters, but seem to really accelerate in Q1.

Is there already gaining increasing traction with the strategy or is there some kind of market-related tailwind that helped this quarter specifically? Just trying to get a better sense of sustainability around this type of growth rate versus what we've seen previously?

Yes, I'll start and Chris can pipe in if I miss anything. I mean really what we've seen this quarter is not much different from what we've seen in previous and that a new client acquisition has been fueling that growth.

We did convert a lot of clients from lending-only to full service this quarter. On the trust services side of things, we won some new mandates and new clients.

So, it's really new client acquisition that continues to fuel that growth. We did see a continued increase in our existing levels of cash balances held by our existing clients, but new client growth was continued to be the primary driver of that increase.

And we continue to expect that to be the case as the year progresses. Of course, some of the cash we do have parked in these accounts will unwind but we believe we can offset that impact with strong growth as the year progresses.

Okay, great. And then just in terms of the release of performing allowance and they get some mechanics behind it and the economic model assumption updates.

But when you look at, actual credit performance and what are -- what you're hearing from your customers. Was there anything in there that gave you additional confidence to release reserves today?

Yes. So the, the macroeconomic factors you've highlighted, I mean, that was especially helpful to our personal retail lending portfolio.

It was an improvement in unemployment in house price outlook that was a bit more bullish than what you'd see we would have used last quarters is assumptions into the models. On the commercial lending side, we've seen something that's different from what we had expected last quarter.

We had presumed that default and delinquency rates would really start ramping up here. On delinquency especially, we've actually seen the exact opposite happened through the last quarter.

We saw the overall level of delinquency in our commercial lending book decrease, and actually decreased to a level even below pre-pandemic levels. So that's different than what we would have expected last quarter, and did few a bit of our recovery in their performing loan allowance right now.

But we like where we are. And in terms of an overall performing loan allowances as a base and working from here as the year progresses, we feel like it's adequate and able to absorb some of the volatility uncertainty, we'll see here.

Yes, we're pretty comfortable right now, Paul.

So, just a follow-up on your comment regarding delinquencies coming in lower than expected, do you feel this is simply a delay and maybe it comes in future quarters, or do you feel the economic improvement and government stimulus and you know, low borrowing costs, et cetera, have really permanently impacted where delinquencies will go this cycle?

Well, I think boring costs definitely help. We do anticipate and have experienced in past economic downturns, a bit of a delay, right, where you do have companies that hang on, hang on, hang on, and then things turn, and they don't have the working capital to go forward.

So, I mean, we are going to monitor very closely, but we anticipate that we would, our guidance would be that we expect to see on the on the impaired side more on the impaired side of the PCL, then on the on the performing side of the PCL.

Got it all. I'll wrap it up there.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Hi, good morning. Question on -- on the guidance, it seems, given the results you put up this quarter, that it's very conservative or even say very, very conservative, it seemed like you could do much better like.

If I look at EPS in 2020 at $2.93 and then factoring in the $0.93 that you did this quarter with mid-single-digits would imply an average of $0.72 per quarter, for the rest of the year. That really seems low.

So, I'm trying to understand kind of what I'm missing here, and how you're thinking about or how you get to that mid-single-digit result. Again, given what you put up and then also it sounds like you are more positive about the outlook than you were even in Q4.

Thanks.

Yes, I'll help you unpack that many. So performing loan provision for credit losses, we expect to remain stable.

What we do see as we think about total PCL going forward would be an increase from current levels. I mean, if we're thinking about, the earlier guidance I provided in the prepared remarks have sort of been on the higher end of a range of PCL in 2019 to 2020 of call it 21 to 32 basis points -- our current base expectation is to end up at the high end of that range, so 30 basis points or somewhere in that magnitude.

So, if you just take the 18 basis points we were this quarter, and think about in the 30s for the remainder of the year, that would drive about an $0.11 or so decline in earnings per share from Q1 level. The other thing, I referenced was the fact that last year we did have some gains we recognized and rebalancing our liquidity portfolio at the onset of COVID.

Overall for the year, we had about $9.5 million of those gains, and those really started in Q2, and then did decline as the year progressed. But on an average basis, that gives us about $0.02 headwind earnings per share.

And then the other big factor here that I think might be getting missed. We issued LRCNs in October of last year, those are semiannual coupon payments, and we make our first semiannual coupon coming up in Q2 in April, the coupon on those is about $0.05 or so of an earnings per share drag that will hit us in Q2 and Q4.

So I suspect that fills in most of your delta, Meny.

Okay. I mean, that helps me understand all those points.

I guess, just to sum it up, on the credit side, going back to your answer to Paul's question, it does sound like I mean, you're being prudent in your outlook for credit. But it sounds like it could surprise and come in better than expected, given recent trends.

I don't want to put words in your mouth. But I just want to see if you would agree with that assessment that you're just not sure, you're basing your outlook more on typical kind of credit cycles.

But that there is a chance here that -- that the credit could actually outperform what what's your -- what's your guiding us to, is that correct?

Yes. We're maintaining a conservative outlook on credit.

We believe -- we've got a very strong, well underwritten highly secured portfolio that, you know, we monitor closely, but, you know, we're just making sure that we are, be very proactive as we think about guidance on credit as we come out of the pandemic.

Thanks, Chris.

Thanks, Meny.

Good morning. I just wanted to stick maybe with the guidance Matt, what level of runoff in deposits are you factoring into your guidance around NIM?

Are you assuming that it's going to stay at the same branch raise deposits will say at the same percentage of your total funding? Do you expect it to go up or down?

Are you factoring in a bit of runoff as the economy gets going? And people start to spend just try to get a sense of that?

Yes. It’s a good question.

Yes, we are. We do not look at the 6% sequential growth we put up this quarter as our sort of ongoing sequential growth run rate and those deposits, I mean, we really had zero runoff in the first quarter here.

So we would expect that sequential growth to taper down. That's our base case assumption.

Of course, if we don't see that happen, or we continue to grow new clients, such that it completely offsets and then some, the run off. I mean, that is something that could provide some upside to our expectations on NIM and therefore earnings.

Okay. And then the second just on your non-interest expense ratio.

You talked a bit about seasonality, quarter-to-quarter, is that just the fact that this quarter was a little bit light, because you did have a timing perspective, or is there just naturally from quarter to quarter going to be more seasonality as we move through the year? And if so, can you just maybe flesh that out?

Yes, Q4 is always a bit higher; we have typically some yearend training activities, a bit of a marketing push that happens in that fourth quarter. And in Q1, those activities are typically much lighter.

And that continue to be the case this year. The other thing that maybe is a bit outside of seasonal factors, but really just a timing of when the project scope has rolling out is our digital project has been focused on the personal retail side of things and on-boarding for personal clients, that's a wider lift, that wrapped up through the first quarter.

And it's really second quarter onwards, where we ramp up the big digital build, which is on our digital offering for small business and medium sized enterprises. That's a heavier lift, but also one that's more impactful to our growth rate looking forward, once we get that over the finish line.

So it's a case of buckling down and getting that project done, which will incur some upfront expense, but positions us for a really good growth trajectory coming out of it.

Okay. And then just lastly, under performing loan release, I'm just trying to get a sense that I get the fact that there is migration and the economic environment, the FOI [ph] has improved.

Did you make any changes in your model such that the -- to temper the amount of the release? Like, did you change your weightings to the pessimistic, or to be more towards the pessimistic scenario, did you?

I'm just trying to get a sense of, if this really could have been a lot larger, but you're -- you tried to bring that back a little bit through other means?

Yes. When we look at our -- at our provision for performing loan losses, I mean, it's one element is what our models tell us.

The other element is expert credit judgment. And that's a consideration of, when you look at our base case, do we see more upside potential or downside risk?

I'd say, looking forward, it's a bit murky in terms of how vaccine rollout incurs, how the economy responds to that. So I'd say our performing loan provision for credit losses appropriately reflects the uncertainty and forward looking outlook for the economy, and does give us the ability to absorb some volatility as we work forward.

So you did essentially you used your export credit judgment to kind of rein in the amount that would have otherwise been used is that?

We left ourselves feeling very comfortable with our performing loan allowed.

Okay. Perfect.

Okay, good. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Good morning.

I wanted to touch on deposits and apologies if he already went over this, but I was wondering if you could expand on your expectations for how your funding mix will shift through 2021. And if you see deposits draining at a higher rate as the economy reopens are always expectations offered deposits, as we move throughout the year, and what do you expect that to translate to in terms of the margin now pick up?

Yes. We do expect even though -- yes, we do expect some runoff in deposits.

We -- on balance for the year, we do expect our branch raised deposits to continue to be the strongest growth we see in our deposit mix. They'll continue to grow from here, albeit not at the same level we put up in Q1 and that will help our net interest margin.

If you look at just this quarter, I mean we got a lift of a couple basis points are so, just from our shift in mix and the growth in branch raise deposits. And we continue to expect that even through the an economic recovery to support stability in our in our NIM and upside potential working through recovery here.

So, mix of deposits in terms of how it looks right now likely won't be materially different when you look at how we exit the year and that'll be but a little bit more way to the branch raised deposit component reflecting the continued growth we still expect to deliver.

Okay. That's helpful color.

Thank you.

I just wanted to ask a clarifying question. Just for crystal clarity is the color you provided around the AIRB conversion suggesting that it's probably -- the benefits to shareholders are probably unlikely to be fully realized until the earliest fiscal 2023?

I'll start and Chris can add. Our goal would be to submit our AIRB application as soon as we're ready.

And also timing when we believe will have the highest likelihood for both an approval obviously is our primary objective. But secondary objective is to negotiate the most favorable capital floor that we can come in with our approval.

And so that that's our goal. And that's what we're trying to time.

I'd say, if you look at the range, we provided of within resubmission to OSFI within the first half of 2022, the front end of that range is remains credible. And the back end of that range would be us optimizing timing and looking towards the outcome we're trying to achieve.

If we hit the back end of that range, then yes, I'd say depending on how long it would take us for you to work through our application, which is out of our control. We could be looking at a later in the year 2022 may be pushing into 2023.

But that would be the outside and of our expectations on timing.

And Matt, just for crystal or maybe just one additional color, this go around how long did it take for you to suggest that you run a parallel year? Since from the time you submitted the application to the time they said let's take another year a parallel one.

How long did that process take?

Yes. It was in or around the six month range.

So we made it in late March, we probably there. If we resubmit to them at the back end of the range we provided, yes.

But as I said, the front end and anywhere within that range remains a credible outcome.

Thank you.

Thanks. Just continuing along that thought process on the AIRB updated there, are you guys seeing any issues being identified, which could suggest that it would be pushed out a little bit further to go live?

I would say -- so Lomar, it's -- the process we're running is of course, we're in a very significant economic situation, compared to the more of them the nine times prior to March of last year in the pandemic was declared. So that's going to, as we think about managing the portfolio, and ensuring the parallel run, we have put in place all of the processes for us to implement, manage and report AIRB, which has been a significant investment in our branch origination, underwriting, reporting, structure, we've supported it all with a very significant investment in our computer infrastructure.

So we see ourselves in pretty good shape. So we're working hard towards that.

So, Carolyn has stepped into the role of CIO, and wants to just make sure that everything that we are doing is 100% validated. So running it for four quarters is really is the plan.

So that's where we changed our messaging to say that we'd be running parallel for fiscal 2021. And with the view that we'd be putting forward that the results and that resubmission in 2022.

So, the point at which we, as Matt just explained, it depends, it's the front end or back end, that would be where we're comfortable. It will be comfortable that as we work through this process, we're happy with it all.

And I would say we built all of the plumbing, we're happy with the structures, our teams are working well. It's giving us great feedback; it's helping us on stress testing.

So the benefits that we're seeing from it are already tangible. And, again, we just want to make sure as we go forward, we just put our absolute correct foot forward.

And that's what we will do.

Okay. Thanks.

And then just moving on to the logo that like I think I heard you suggested if you're sticking with the mid-single-digit growth outlook for 2021. But when I think about what's changed between last quarter and today, there's been a significant momentum and energy.

So why are you guys sticking with the mid-single-digit loan growth target? Why not move up to say high single-digit or low double-digit?

Just your thoughts around that?

Well, I think we'll we will be prudent as we think about loan growth opportunities. We are -- I mean, there's definitely the improvements in the price of oil is, is a positive.

And certainly that's helpful for Alberta, which is still 31% of our total loans. We are focused to grow our bank in a prudent disciplined manner.

Clearly, if that puts some tailwinds into Alberta, that would be fantastic, but we will be stepping forward in our normal fashion. And making sure that we're building the book that we want to build.

We've got the right funding structures. We're allocating capital appropriately and taking on the risk that meets our risk appetite.

Yes, I'd say to add. I mean, in our guidance, I mean, we're presuming a lot of our growth comes from market share winds and not necessarily from the economy providing a lot of tailwind in our sales.

If the economy did then that could suggest there's further upside.

Yes.

Okay. Thank

Hey, good morning. Sorry if I missed this, but we saw the gross impaired bonds move higher in commercial mortgages and oil and gas loan.

Did you take a provision against those because sometimes you talk about that you're fully secured though whatever?

Yes. So as we look at our gross impairs, we called out two connections that increased, in particular for the formations, and one in the commercial market side and one in the oil and gas side?

And the answer is yes, we have a provision on both of those.

Okay. And then -- and I'm not trying to go negative on credit here, actually the opposite.

In the past, when you have these big impaired loan numbers, the bank has said, the numbers can stay elevated for quite some time, because there's a difficult and lengthy resolution process. Could we see it drop faster than it would have historically, because there's so much liquidity out there, the secondary market looking for investment opportunities is so active and desperate, I guess, maybe not the right choice of word.

But could we see easier, easier certainly, but also faster resolution of some of these new impairments?

Well, I would say that we do our best to resolve these as quickly as possible. We've got a really strong team that manages our high risk loans.

And as we've explained in prior quarters, we've bolstered that, and we've got a strong leader and a really good working team to manage our processes. And if we have early exits, we would be keen for those, of course, because then just you -- just some frees up capacity to work on other things.

But yes, we will be as proactive as possible in resolution for sure. But with the clear goal that we look, we don't look to exit, just to exit, we want to maximize our returns.

Well, that's -- I'm not suggesting you...

No. Fair enough.

…capacity. I'm wondering if market dynamics are such that it could be easier.

And then you talk about maximizing returns, like the likelihood of recoveries could even be greater, because the liquidity out there is just so elevated. Are you seeing that?

Or do you anticipate that being something that could actually be an underappreciated boost to you from a -- standpoint?

Yes. To be frank, I mean, we've seen some great resolutions of coming up to this quarter, and we will continue working for it.

But I couldn't actually put my finger on that right now to say that, yes, you've absolutely seen that. But in every situation is quite often, quite different.

And we just manage the facts as they present themselves.

Okay. Fair enough.

And then just a quick look over the commercial mortgage, can you tell me a bit like what kind of property it was?

It’s an industrial property.

Okay.

Yes. Yes.

All right. Well, have a good weekend.

Thank you.

Great. Thanks, Gabe.

Okay. Thank you.

Just wanted to go back to expenses for a minute. There's been a number of sort of moving pieces in that line item.

And I understand there is seasonality within it too, but just wondering if you could provide some guidance sort of what you're looking for on a full year basis sort of growth versus 2020 or even compared to 2019?

Yes. It's not looking really much different than we thought last quarter, I mean, we're still planning on making the investments we plan to make that hasn't changed.

So, I mean, that's driving NIE growth on a gross basis kind of in that mid-teens as a percentage year-over-year. A big chunk of that is the wealth management acquisition, you back that out, you're now down kind of in that high single-digit percentage growth year-over-year.

A chunk of that is AIRB and going live and starting to operate those models. You start backing that out and you're now down to a level of NIE growth that likely doesn't look much different than the revenue growth were expecting for the year.

And kind of similar in what you're seeing shakeout on the efficiency ratio and excluding the wealth acquisition being sort of in that 48% range on a full year basis, that's what we're seeing. I mean, embedded within that outlook, we have presumed that things like travel, business development, employee training cost, silos all start kicking back to normal at some point this year, and I mean, not remains to be seen.

We'll see what happens with vaccine rollout and maybe there's the opportunity to avoid some of those expenses, but that's not included in our outlook right now, pretty consistent with last quarters what we're seeing.

Okay. Thank you.

Matt, has done a really good job of giving pretty good transparency into expectations. One last one.

Where do you think your effective tax rate is going to go? Is it going to trend higher?

Or do you think it's going to stay where it says?

No, it's going to trend down. We had some deferred tax noise this quarter is a bit of re-measurement on some of our deferred tax assets and liabilities that did drive up the effective rate a bit beyond where we might have expected in Q1 on a full year basis.

At year end, we guided towards 110 basis point decline year-over-year an effective tax rate. That's probably pretty consistent.

But with Q1 being a bit higher, we're probably more like 90 basis points to 100 basis points of year-over-year declines. So an annual effective tax rate and kind of that 25.3-ish range is what we'd expect.

Okay, perfect. Thank you very much.

Thanks a lot operator. We're very happy with a strong start to the year.

Our performance benefits from the strategic investments we deployed. Our more diversified funding supports our net interest margin, and our expanded footprint Ontario supports diversification and growth.

The integration and growth of our wealth management business is meeting our expectations. We recognize and are working to manage the near term COVID-19 volatility and are ready to prudently support the trajectory of the expected economic recovery.

We remain confident in a solid foundation of our secured high quality credit portfolio and know how to capitalize on opportunities that emerge as the economy rebounds. Our coming digital platform will further optimize our business to deliver future opportunities to unrivalled experiences for our clients.

In closing, we appreciate your continued support as we build momentum and unlock opportunities to accelerate our growth. Thank you for your confidence in CWB.

We look forward to reporting second quarter financial results on May 28. With that, we wish you all a good day.

Thank you.