Operator
Welcome, and thank you for joining the DiaSorin Full Year 2020 Results Conference Call. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr.
Carlo Rosa, CEO of DiaSorin. Please go ahead, sir.
Carlo Rosa
Thank you, operator, and good afternoon to everybody, and welcome to the year-end results conference call for DiaSorin. I would like to make an initial statement.
This has to do with some rumors that have been reported about the company. And so it is very clear, as you know, that in line with our strategy, we routinely explore transaction opportunities with strategic partners, and this is done to create long-term value for our shareholders.
So I will not comment on any rumors about potential M&A transaction until such disclosure is appropriate or required.
Piergiorgio Pedron
Thank you, Carlo, and good afternoon, good morning, everybody. In the next few minutes, as usual, I'm going to walk you through the financial performance of DiaSorin TSR in 2020, and I will also make some comments on the contribution of the fourth quarter.
As usual, I'd like to start with what I believe are the main highlights of the period. So we closed the year with an increase in revenues at constant exchange rate of 27%, some 2 percentage points above the full year guidance, which was calling for an increase of 25% CER.
Q4 '20 confirms that the end of the previous quarters, a steady recovery in the x COVID business, minus 3% year-on-year at constant exchange rate and the strong contribution of the COVID franchise mainly driven by PCR testing. Carlo already went through all of these elements.
As expected and anticipated during the last quarter calls, Q4 gross margin ratio at 67.6% of revenues is below what we saw in the previous quarters mainly because of higher COVID molecular sales, which enjoy slightly lower margins. 2020 full year gross margin at 68.4% is, for the very same reason, slightly lower than 2019, which closed at 69.2%.
2020 full year EBITDA at EUR 385 million or 43.7% of sales is slightly better than the guidance. The increase towards 2019 at constant exchange rate is 42%.
Q4 '20 EBITDA closed at EUR 128 million or 47% of revenues. Let me please remind you that during Q4 '19, we booked some one-off restructuring costs, which makes the year-on-year comparison at plus 94% CER, even more favorable.
We keep maintaining our ability to generate a very, very healthy free cash flow of EUR 232 million in the year, vis-à-vis EUR 118 million in 2020. The net financial position is positive for EUR 305 million with no debt and EUR 340 million positive cash position.
The difference is always between the 2 is driven by the right-of-use introduced by IFRS 16. Finally, the Board of Directors approved to propose the distribution of an ordinary dividend of EUR 55 million, equal to EUR 1 per outstanding share.
Now if we move through the main items of the P&L, 2020 revenue at EUR 881 million, grew by 25% to EUR 175 million compared to 2017. COVID revenues contributed for EUR 266 million, 75% of which were PCR-driven.
Quarter 4 revenues at EUR 271 million grew by 50% compared to Q4 '19 55% CER. EUR 100 million sort revenues were covered, whereas the x COVID business at EUR 170 million confirm the recovery we have discussed about.
As expected, the appreciation of the euro against almost all the currencies in which we do business has caused some material FX headwind in the second part of 2020, therefore, closing the year with a negative effect of more or less EUR 15 million. The gross margin at EUR 603 million grew by 23% compared to last year, closing 2020 with a ratio of revenues of 68.4%, 80 basis points below 2019.
The decrease in the ratio of revenues is mainly driven by different product mix, lower -- sales and higher molecular sales, which we said enjoyed slightly lesser margins. The increase of the molecular franchise, 29% of total 2020 sales, as discussed, has been mainly driven by COVID tests.
Operator
The first question is from Catherine Tennyson with Bank of America.
Catherine Tennyson
I have 3, if I may. My first one, Carlo, as you've mentioned earlier, some diagnostic players in the U.S.
have been talking about a substantial drop-off in antigen testing volumes. Can you just give us a little bit more color on the molecular demand that you've seen in particular in January and the February exit rate this year?
And I recall, in Q3, there was an ambition to reach the 1 million molecular tests the month mark by the end of the year with the potential of expanding that to 1.2 by the end of this quarter. So given you have visibility on H1 now, given the guide, what levels of capacity are you baking into that number?
And then just finally, what level of base business recovery is baked into that, too?
Carlo Rosa
Yes. As far as the like volume, I believe I made a comment with you in my speech, which I'm happy to repeat.
I believe that as far as we are concerned and the visibility that we have today, the molecular volume is stabilized. So it's stable.
We don't see a decline as antigen testing companies have been discussing about the antigen test. So today, as we have discussed in the last call, we got to the 1 million, give or take, per month volume of distributed products worldwide, of which, I would say, is almost 60% is North America, 40% is the rest of the world.
And we have a capacity of roughly 1.2 million tests. And so we are working at 19% capacity, give or take.
And we believe that in the first half, we should be able to continue to sell roughly 1 million tests of molecular. We have no visibility whatsoever on the second half.
And this is why we are not commenting year-end, if not by a concept, to me, is very clear. That comment will become part of differential diagnosis for respiratory diseases.
So it's going to be relevant in the next flu season, notwithstanding the fact that vaccination is going to be, hopefully, widely available. Differential diagnosis between COVID and flu is going to be implemented.
And therefore, we believe that the business, the COVID-only testing is going to be switched to COVID plus flu. Let me remind you something very interesting that we notice, as everybody knows, in 2020 as a result of all the measures that have been adopted by in terms of behavior, masks and so forth -- fundamentally disappeared.
So there was nothing. And even in our projections on manufacturing, where we had volume that was dedicated to flu.
Eventually, we converted that volume to COVID because flu simply was not there. We believe that, in 2021, we expect that in the respiratory flu season, availability of vaccine and the fact that certain measures will be so the restrictions are not going to be there, you're going to still -- you're going to see more in the flu season.
When it comes to the antigen has been disclosed by certain companies. I said, already in 2020, that my expectation was that antigen would be the first one to go.
And this is because, eventually, we all understand that antigen testing as pros and cons. The pros is that can be decentralized much faster than diagnostics.
The con is certainly that we -- sorry about the noise, the con is certainly that there is the -- issue with the technology and that technology becomes viable only if you increase the frequency of testing. So I'm not surprised at all by the fact that antigen testing is softening, whereas for the time being, molecular testing is old enough.
As far as our forecast for the 2021, I believe the fundamental assumption is that the current business, so non-COVID volumes should go back in line to what they were in 2019. Clearly, you're going to still have a little bit of lingering effect in quarter 1, and then you're going to see a pickup of that volume where it used to be related to the deployment of the vaccine.
The question, though, that is interesting has to do with China because there are no news. I don't know if you notice, but there are no news at all on China.
What we see from our business is that there are certain regions of China where lockdown are implemented. And when there's a lockdown in China, then your base business suffers.
Other regions where the situation is more relaxed, then you see business as usual. Unfortunately, lockdown happens in very populated areas where there is a lot of business, and this is why we see a recovery of China that is slower than the rest of the European and the U.S.
countries. Last but not least, vaccination in China.
We have no idea what those data shows that they are very slow in vaccinating people. So they're relying more on hard -- with 2 to 5 hospitals.
So as far as China is concerned, we're still baking the numbers, volumes that are below the 2019 numbers.
Operator
Our next question is from Scott Bardo with Berenberg.
Scott Bardo
So the first question, please, just relates to the nature of guidance that you've given this year, I appreciate that this is not a normal year for DiaSorin, sorry. But it was my understanding from a previous conversation that you were looking to give a COVID and non-COVID guidance for the full year.
So I wonder if -- or what changed your mind in the way that you guide. And the second related question, please.
Of this 40% growth that you've guided for, for the first half, clearly, very good growth. But I think that this can be broadly achieved via normalization of your base business and the current run rate of molecular, assuming no incremental year-over-year growth in serology.
So I guess the nature of the question is can you please help us outline or outline, please, what is your explicit assumption for serology and for antigen test within the H1 guide, please? And last question, please, Mr.
Rosa. Clearly appreciate that you don't want to comment on bid speculation, of course.
However, I think it is no secret that you want to deploy capital for M&A opportunity. Can you help share with us, please what you believe the financing power of the business is, what leverage you believe is a comfortable leverage for the company and whether you would entertain issuing equity if the right target comes along?
Carlo Rosa
I would ask Mr. Pedron to actually take the first 2 questions, and then I'm going to comment on rumors and Scott has been asking on financing.
P.G.?
Piergiorgio Pedron
Yes, I will take the first 2 questions. Thank you, Carlo.
So Scott, I believe that the thing is there are really a lot of moving parts. And being more specific in terms of what part of the growth in H1 2021 is going to be driven by COVID in which part by x COVID; and inside COVID, which part by molecular by IgG, IgM testing and which part by antigen is very difficult.
There are many, many moving parts. So I believe you really need to allow us hear some flexibility.
Also looked at what ad appears which have reported before, as have done in terms of giving COVID and non-COVID guidance, I believe the majority of them, if not the vast majority, didn't give that kind of breakdown. So obviously, we run several different models, simulations, what can go up, what can go down.
But again, there are so many moving parts that we feel comfortable playing all of our different models with a 40% upside H1 on H1, but I believe that we really didn't feel like we wanted to go down into the detail of what is called the molecular worries, antigen -- and what's the rest.
Carlo Rosa
Okay. So let me take the one on M&A.
Look, it is very clear that DiaSorin has an ambition to grow and diversify its product portfolio. It is very clear that although we want to maintain our key characteristics of a specialty company because that is what makes DiaSorin special, unique in the space.
That is what our customer base is appreciating. And so if I can just give you a strategic direction, there is where we see us as potentially moving vis-à-vis expanding product portfolio by internal efforts or by external acquisitions.
The second point I would like to make is that what COVID did to us is, certainly, make the molecular franchise more relevant and more significant than it was pre COVID. And as discussed, we have developed a business that originally was a U.S.-based business.
We developed that business into Europe to a point that, today, 40% of our turnover -- molecular turnover is coming from European opportunities, where the vast majority of new customers were actually -- were taken. So COVID is -- my view on COVID is clear, call it, and I really hope it's going to go away, and it's going to become part of a respiratory panel.
We are going to have roughly 800 customers that we need to serve with products. As you know, we do have in mind and, in the company, we have an internal effort to develop new generation of the MDX platform.
The MDX platform, which has been a very, very successful platform, clearly, was developed almost 10 years ago, and we are undertaking the effort of developing the MDX second-generation platform, which we expect is going to be run sometimes in 2022 that will replace the current MDX, and we are working on the fact that we believe technology for multiplexing is needed if you want to become a player in this space. The third strategic element, we believe, that decentralization and point-of-care testing for this space is going to happen, is happening.
We believe that the current platforms were designed for a certain level of decentralization, which is not what we have seen with COVID with doing testing in parking lots. So strategically, we are also looking into the development of that kind of platform.
So this is where our M&A -- it's a combination of internal development, M&A activity, licensing activity and the strategic partnership is going. In terms of -- if the question is, how much can you leverage the company's got, I'm not -- really I'm not able to answer that question.
We have a very prudent view about that, and sometimes that has been working against the company because people say we are too prudent. But I think most of the time it's been working in -- of the company because carrying that is a liability per se.
So we believe that we certainly have the ability to make an acquisition with -- I mean leveraging the company. I think we're going to be always prudent on the leverage.
And our shareholders, as always said, that he is available to support our M&A strategy through the proper tools. So let's wait when an opportunity will materialize.
But certainly, I believe we do have the financial ability -- we have the ability to finance a decent level of an acquisition.
Operator
The next question is from Alex Gibson with Morgan Stanley.
Alex Gibson
I think I have 3 questions left. My first one is just again on the underlying business and trying to understand when do you expect the quarterly sales to return to the kind of level that you had planned before COVID.
You had, I think, earlier -- saying that they could get there by the end of the year. Do you think that's possible?
And then once you're at that point, do you think your business will still be growing at the 5% to 9% that you kind of expected before COVID? Or should we expect faster underlying growth coming from Lyme, TB, hepatitis?
That's my first question a couple of months in there. Second one is just on your first half guide.
And if you include the approved serology and antigen testing in the U.S. already in your guidance or if that could be upside.
And then lastly, if you could just comment on what your expectation for pricing is for PCR tests for your first half as well, that would be helpful.
Carlo Rosa
P.G., can you take the first question about the underlying business? And I will work on the H1 guideline and the pricing?
Piergiorgio Pedron
Absolutely. So yes, Alex, I believe I need to repeat what Carlo said.
Again, the fact that we didn't give guidance for the full year, it means that we don't have visibility for the full year. But I think that it's fair to say that, by the end of the year, we should go back to that kind of level that we saw pre COVID.
But again, we didn't give a guidance for the full year, right? And then in terms of growth rate, I think that the 5%, 9% number you quoted is a fair ballpark number.
Very difficult to understand the speed of the pickup. But as a Board number, I believe that's a good one.
Carlo Rosa
Okay. Now if I go to the H1 guideline and pricing.
The -- on the H1 guidance, yes, we do have baked in the fact that we have a trimeric approval in the U.S. Keep in mind that today, we already have an assay for IgG determination -- with the S1, S2 product in the U.S.
that is approved and we are selling. Will be an improvement because also we have a quantitative claim, which is needed or semi quantitative, which is needed for immune status determination.
But yes, they are back in our numbers. As far as pricing is concerned, look, I believe that we built a model whereby we expect starting from the second half to have a 10% price effect which means that if you have a 10% price decline on second half, we annualize it, we believe, is overall a 20% price decline.
Again, this one, we pulled it from the sky, as you can imagine, because so far, we don't see a price effect and reimbursement in the U.S., hefty. Still $50 billion of testing is being added to the Biden proposal.
So there is lots of money in the U.S. for testing.
But again, just for purposes and of modeling, and then we will see what is going to happen in H2 is 10% H2 annualized 20%.
Alex Gibson
Okay. That's great.
And if I could just follow-up on the -- that first half guide, and you mentioned it, like Quidel gave the guidance yesterday that they're trying to say this is a floor. This is kind of the bottom of where they really expect they're going to come out.
Do you think you could -- you would agree with that with your guidance? Do you think this is a floor that we should be working at?
Or is it not as conservative as that?
Carlo Rosa
Look, I -- you know that I'm not -- I'm refusing to give flavor because numbers and numbers, assumptions and assumption, and I don't think it's necessarily professional to say I give you a number but it's not the worst-case or the best case. So we gave you our best number, best assumption in terms of what we believe the business will do in H1.
And again, I think we all need to realize that there are low to moving parts, not necessarily in my opinion about the base business where I'm more comfortable with but about the development of the COVID business. So I think you appreciate the fact that we are all in the same situation here, trying to forecast 2021 and H1.
Operator
The next question is from Peter Welford with Jefferies.
Peter Welford
So there's a few. First, just if we can just go back to COVID-19 in 2020.
Thanks to the visibility on the. I wonder if you can just outline for us in the fourth quarter how much of the sales, the sort of EUR 101 million related to molecular.
And were there any antigen sales at all in the fourth quarter? I know you said the remainder was serology.
But if you could help us a little bit in the fourth quarter, that would be great. Just then on the molecular platform, I wondered if you could give us any insights there into the placement of instruments you've seen.
And are there still new instruments being placed in the fourth quarter? You mentioned that a lot of it was new customers in the U.S., though, have you seen a lot of existing customers increase their placements at all.
It will be great if we could get some sort of clarity on what sort of trend you saw during the period and usually the early part of this year. And then just finally on costs.
I guess if we think about this year, I mean, clearly, again, there'll be somewhat of a COVID windfall. How should we think about your ability to want to, I guess, incrementally invest in things like R&D this year versus, on the other hand, should we think about basically the cost basis, the cost base, and therefore, there will be operating leverage if COVID revenues do exceed or underperform expectations?
Carlo Rosa
Okay. So let me start from the last one.
I believe that when you think -- when you talk about cost, I assume you're talking about OpEx, why -- so if you want to understand if we need to increase our OpEx line. And the answer is no.
We believe that what we have is in line. And clearly, the development, the OpEx increase that we have historically is every year-on-year is what is needed to fuel our projects, both from an R&D perspective and a marketing perspective.
As far as the first question, on Q4, look, we said -- and if I can give you a ballpark number, we have 80% of the revenues pretty much is -- probably molecular 20%, give or take, is COVID nonmolecular, combination of antigen and antibody testing. I said as far as placement is concerned, I said that Q4 was a strong quarter for placements.
So roughly 200 was on MDX and 200 was on XLs were placed in the quarter. So it was a very good quarter for us, which is telling you that the pipeline is -- which is not only driven by COVID granted that the molecular pipeline certainly driven by COVID, but the XL pipeline is not driven by COVID at all.
It's a combination of QuantiFERON, stool and the fact that we, by the way, concluded the 20 -- the Siemens project. Siemens project means that we have now stopped the distribution of -- from Siemens.
We have converted all the customers. There was a last labor customer that came in so really, you should read it just on XL placements, really not really that much comment related but more into the base business.
Now if you're asking, if I understood correctly, you want to understand moving forward what would be the current business growth, I believe that moving forward, we will return to the base business growth that we had historically fueled by all the new projects we have. And certainly the fact that some of the drags that we had in the past are not there any longer.
So we don't realize that strong as it used to be because we converted. And then we killed the -- line.
I believe that will allow a solid growth of the base business. P.G., is there anything you want to add?
Piergiorgio Pedron
No. I believe, Carlo, you covered it all.
And also the number you referred to in terms of split amongst molecular and immuno sales for Q4 is the right ballpark number.
Operator
Your next question is from Maja Pataki with Kepler.
Maja Pataki
I have a couple of questions with regards to 2021, just to understand and put your comments into perspective, Carlo. I understand that you don't want to give us too many details, but I think it was in the Q3 call or even on the H1 call when you were talking about serology testing and you said it didn't develop as you anticipated.
And one should look at EUR 8 million to EUR 10 million revenues per month just as it was developing. So my first question is with regards to what you've commented on the strong demand for serology, should we think that this EUR 8 million to EUR 10 million is now higher?
The second thing is when we talk about the base business recovering, if we look back to Q4 2019, it was just about the time when we had the latent TB test coming through, and then COVID-19 came. So the whole -- going back to the base business, is that basically giving a base where we should then start to think what's the opportunity for you would be on the latent TB side and Lyme disease that would come on top of the base business?
Or is it really a recovery to the sales number, including latent TB and Lyme? And then lastly, when you talk about the antibody test -- sorry about the antigen test, and it's true, you have been talking about the antigen test moving or falling off the cliff as the first test.
But nevertheless, you have been quite positive about the opportunity also in more developing countries like Brazil due to the lack of molecular testing. Is that now something that you think will come through but at a later stage?
Or is that something that you think, well, it actually -- the situation has changed and it's not going to come through this way?
Carlo Rosa
Maja, well, first, I think that we were referring to the 10 million, that was volume and not sales.
Piergiorgio Pedron
Carlo, I'm sorry if I interject. I believe that what we quoted was 8 million to 10 million per quarter, not that month.
It was...
Maja Pataki
Correct -- sorry, per quarter. Yes, sorry.
Piergiorgio Pedron
Maja Pataki
No, no, no, per quarter, my bad.
Carlo Rosa
Okay. Okay.
Sorry for the disconnect. But for the first time, P.G.
and myself, we are not in the same place. Okay.
So -- okay. So as I told you, the -- as I said, in the -- in Q4, 20% of the revenues were known molecular.
So I think you can do the math in terms of what would be the baseline for the nonmolecular, which is primarily serology and some antigen because that has launched. As far as the base business -- sorry, as far as the antigen test look is indeed, I believe that the antigen test for core lab is an opportunity for some of the emerging countries.
We don't have registration yet. So the only registration that we have today is CE marking in the U.S., and we apply for -- we applied for Canada.
We applied for Brazilian. We applied for Mexico, for some of the other geographies, but we don't have that yet.
And we believe that, that will become an opportunity of growth. Certainly, the strategic growth should come from the U.S.
and this is why I was remarking before you saw the LabCorp press release. And I think LabCorp is a very strategic customer player.
So more than a customer is a company we really can do business with strategically, and we both believe that notwithstanding the point-of-care and OTC opportunity for antigen testing, there is an opportunity also for antigen, high-quality antigen testing in the lab -- result because we bank on the fact that LabCorp and some other smaller commercial labs will be able to win tenders mainly at the state level for collecting swabs and then having those tested under quality requirement in core lab. And I said, the result, we had to understand how this will develop in the next few months.
But that, to, me is the antigen opportunities. Base business recovery.
I think, Maja, there are a couple of things you need to note on the base business, which are fairly relevant compared to 2019. The first one that everything was completely forgotten in 2020, but everybody knew that, that was going to happen.
The first one is the fact that Vitamin D was transition out from because of the fact that Siemens won the contract. So in 2020, we had a good business and again -- well, good, meaning that this business then was hit by volume and then eventually transitioned out.
So starting from 2021, our base business does not have that component. The other thing is that we have been phasing out and in 2020, which is not going to be there in 2021.
So notwithstanding all this, so you're asking me how do you use how do you see 2021 finish and the opportunity in 2022. If you look at last quarter, notwithstanding this, the lack of Vitamin D and notwithstanding, certainly, ELISA, our overall business is fairly flat compared to the last year.
So this should give you a baseline. In terms of once 2021 is all over how to expect growth of a cleaner business, cleaner meaning that without the drags of the Vitamin D at Quest plus ELISA starting from 2022 forward.
Operator
So the next question is from Andrea Balloni with Mediobanca.
Andrea Balloni
Yes. My first question is about QuantiFERON.
If you could give us more color about what to expect in 2021 as we have seen some very positive comments from key agenda. How should we model this level of sales that was almost 0 in 2019 and I guess the same in 2020?
And my second question, I'm sorry for that. I lost the answer about the pricing environment for a molecular test in the U.S.
and Europe, if you can repeat it again. And my very last question, sorry for asking again, in the follow-up about H1 '21 guidance, I understand pretty well there are many moving parts.
But what I can see is that the largest part of this moving part is something quite positive. And if you compare with 380 million reported last year, 40% increase is around 150 million.
If I sum up the recovery of the test you have lost last year, which were around 60 million, if you sum up molecular test that should have production capacity 3x compared to the level of last year. And then there is also serology and new antigen test.
Is it correct that the only negative part is the one related to Vitamin D and ELISA that you have just commented? So the only reason why your guidance looks to be quite cautious is related to these 2 items?
Piergiorgio Pedron
Carlo, do you want me to take the question on the guidance.
Carlo Rosa
Please. But also, please remind that when they say that in Q2, we had 47 million of serology peak last year, so serology COVID last year was -- strong in one quarter.
So don't forget that. But P.G., please take note through the guidance.
Piergiorgio Pedron
Yes. I mean, I don't want to -- I mean I don't want to do the modeling for him, but I will try to give some color.
So yes, I mean, in H1 last year, we had almost EUR 100 million of COVID sales. It is true that the negative elements that we discussed about are -- and one -- and those are the ones that Carlo just commented, right?
It's the Vitamin D in Quest, and it's the former ELISA, Siemens ELISA business. And for all the rest, Andrea, I'm sorry, I can't do the modeling for you.
I believe that we stand behind the 40% increase in H1. We said, considering the visibility we have in the first part of the year, the x COVID business, we said, is going to be back to normality, we believe, by the end of the year.
That's much more predictable business in a way, as long as you are not going to have a second measure of lockdowns because of new mutation of the virus which are going to make the vaccination program less effective. And that's basically it.
Andrea Balloni
Okay. The other question was about QuantiFERON and pricing for molecular.
Piergiorgio Pedron
Carlo, do you want me to take it? Or do you want to take it, the one for QuantiFERON?
Carlo Rosa
P.G., I'll do QuantiFERON. And if you can just do molecular because it is a repeat of what we said already 2 times during this call.
On QuantiFERON, I think you can take the comments that -- made because -- and see what we expect that notwithstanding that all of volumes that happened in 2020, we believe that -- stated that in 2021, volume should go back to what they were in 2019. So to that part, you need to have growth coming from conversion at higher price, plus the fact that send out which we are planning to capture in the U.S.
but more -- because when you said that in 2020, QuantiFERON was 0, that's not really an appropriate statement because in 2020 -- in 2019, we had launched the CE Mark product in Europe. So we had granted at lower volumes because of COVID, we had all the European business that was actually developed and with over 250 accounts using our products in Europe, so not 0 at all.
P.G., you do molecular?
Piergiorgio Pedron
Yes. So I believe what we said regarding molecular pricing is that, so far, we're not seeing any pressure or any material pressure at all.
We didn't give any guidance for H2, but what we believe it might happen, but as Carlo very clearly said, it's just a broad-based assumption is that we are expecting some -- sooner or later some price pressure there. And what we said is you can say, if you need a ballpark number, 10% in the second part of the year, which could be annualized the full year at 20%.
But again, so far, no price pressure. It's a broad assumption that we made thinking about half 2, but nothing has been seen so far.
Operator
This concludes our Q&A session for today. Mr.
Rosa, the floor is back to you for any closing remarks.
Carlo Rosa
Thank you, operator, and thanks, everybody, for staying so along with us. Thank you.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining the conference is now over. You may disconnect your telephones.