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Q1 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptApril 21, 2026

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Vusion's first quarter 2026 sales webcast and conference call.

At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be the question-and-answer session.

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Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Olivier Gernandt, Vusion's Investor Relations Officer.

Please go ahead.

Olivier Gernandt

Thank you very much, Nadya. Good afternoon, good morning everyone, and welcome to our first quarter 2026 sales presentation.

With me today are Thierry Gadou, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, as well as Thierry Lemaitre, our Deputy CEO Corporate and Finance. Thierry Gadou will make some remarks on the group's operational highlights.

Thierry Lemaitre will then discuss our group's financial performance, and more specifically our 2025 consolidated accounts, and Thierry Gadou will conclude our presentation with some remarks on our full-year outlook. After these remarks, we will be happy to take your questions.

As a reminder, some of the information to be discussed on our call today is forward-looking and subject to important risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially. For these, I refer you to the Safe Harbor statement included in our press release and on slide three of this presentation.

This evening's release was issued a short while ago and is available in French and in English on VusionGroup's website, vusion.com. The slides of this presentation and our consolidated accounts can also be found on our website in the Regulated Information section.

A replay and a transcript will be available or will be made available on our website after the call. With that, it's my pleasure to hand you over to Thierry Gadou for his opening remarks.

Thierry Gadou

Thanks Olivier. Good afternoon, good morning everyone.

Thanks for joining our conference call. Very pleased to present along with Thierry Lemaitre our commercial performance for the first quarter of the year.

In summary, we delivered 26% organic growth in Q1, reaching €294 million in adjusted revenue. At constant foreign exchange rates and tariffs, this would be a 36% growth, and the actual IFRS revenue reached €289 million.

Now it's very close to adjusted figures, and up 34% year-on-year. Order entry reached €316 million.

VAS revenues grew by 53% at €51 million, representing 17% of total sales, and our annualized ARR is above €110 million, up 60% year-on-year. We reiterate our 2026—20 2026 2026 guidance of continued profitable growth.

A year that started on a strong positive note, the first quarter confirms our strong commercial momentum. As I just said, +26% growth of adjusted revenue, +34% growth of IFRS revenues, and +36% growth at constant dollar and tariff rates.

Our growth is solid, our business reflects increasing demand from retailers to digitize their stores and put them at the core of their omnichannel strategies. Both large regions are growing.

In America, the accelerated rollout of EdgeSense at Walmart is very successful, and is expected to reach peak deployment pace over the next two quarters, with full fleet completion expected by the end of this year. This project is accelerating Walmart's e-commerce growth and improving key operational metrics: productivity, planogram compliance, employee, customer satisfaction.

It demonstrates at a very large scale the value of our technology platform in terms of operational performance improvement and e-commerce acceleration. In parallel, several other leading-edge innovation projects are underway with Walmart alongside the start of their international rollout expansion.

For the market, these deployments is an impressive showcase, which is having a massive influence on the industry's strategic thinking about the future role of stores at the heart of omnichannel. In the US particularly, significant activity is underway around a growing number of pilots, which are now mostly focused or refocused on the EdgeSense platform and on the VusionOX Bluetooth-based infrastructure, which allows, as the shelf to interact with nearby shoppers and associates.

We see great future potential here. US market remains relatively underpenetrated, 15% to 20% including Walmart, and is expected to ramp up rapidly in the coming years, catching up with Europe.

Speaking about Europe, growth is back in the EMEA region. Sales grew by nearly 10% and are expected to accelerate in the coming quarters.

The modernization and the further penetration of our large customer base plus all the new contracts signed in recent months, notably in France, the United Kingdom, Germany, Spain, are supporting robust growth trajectory, particularly driven by the UK, although the DACH region, Germany and German-speaking countries remain the largest sub-region for Vusion. As I said, the momentum should strengthen over the next quarters, and European growth is expected to exceed 20% for the full year.

Talking about order entries, global order entries totaled 300 and €316 million in Q1. It's a -40% below last year's Q1.

We expected the comparative basis to be challenging this quarter because last year Q1 was our absolute record, historic record quarter with over half a billion in new orders in only three months. This Q1 is still our second best first quarter ever, and fully in line with our expectations.

Also at the end of Q1, our 12-month cumulative order entries are at a solid €1.5 billion. Key contracts announced in Q1 include Carrefour and Walmex.

However, note that the Walmex numbers are not included in the Q1 order entries of the group. As a reminder, on February 18, Carrefour, one of the world's leading retailers, and Vusion announced the signing of a strategic partnership.

As part of its 2030 strategic plan, Carrefour has selected Vusion to digitize all its hypermarkets and supermarkets in France. This partnership covers the deployment of EdgeSense, VusionCloud, and Captana, in France first, but with a three-year exclusivity in Europe, and we're already starting pilots in other countries.

Then at the very end of the quarter, on March 30, Walmart extended its strategic partnership with Vusion to deploy the EdgeSense platform in Mexico, which is Walmart's first market outside the United States, across Walmex Express stores and supercenters. This expansion reinforces the deep and global partnership between Walmart and Vusion, which will continue to expand now on several geographies, several solutions, and innovation projects.

Talking about the VAS activity, VAS revenue reached €51 million in the first quarter, representing a strong growth of 53%, and representing approximately 17% of the group's total revenue, a significant increase compared to the 14% in the full year of '25. Non-recurring VAS increased by 45% to €23 million, but the VAS growth was even more driven by recurring revenue growth, which reached €28 million, up sharply by 60% compared to the first quarter of '25, and driven by the strong momentum in VusionCloud.

The VusionCloud installed base grew significantly in the first quarter, reaching over 400 million ESLs. For reference, last year as at the end of March '25, the cloud installed base stood at 188 million connected ESLs.

This momentum is expected to continue throughout '26. Also note that in Q1, for the first time, Captana order entries reached several tens of millions of euros, and acceleration perspectives are becoming clearer as IoT and AI-based real-time shelf monitoring is emerging as a growing need among retailers to optimize inventory, availability, e-commerce, and customer satisfaction.

With this strong start of the year, the rapid growth of our VAS, and a highly promising project pipeline in both Europe and the Americas, we're confident in our '26 targets and our medium-term growth outlook. Annual adjusted revenue growth is expected to be between 15% and 20% at constant exchange rates and tariffs.

Adjusted revenue should be relatively evenly split between the first and the second halves, both around €800 to €900 million. Both the EMEA region and the Americas and APAC regions are expected to grow over the full year, with momentum set to strengthen in Europe throughout the year.

The rest of the world is expected to see stronger growth in the first half than in the second due to the completion of the Walmart rollout in the United States by the year-end. Total VAS revenue is expected to increase by around 40%, representing a growth roughly twice that of the group at the topline.

This performance will be driven by strong momentum in both recurring and non-recurring VAS. The group also targets improved profitability, with adjusted EBITDA margin expected to increase by more than 100 basis points.

Finally, we target increased operating free cash flow generation and a strong balance sheet at year-end with a positive net cash flow, excluding the possible impact of potential acquisitions. Looking further ahead, given our innovation leadership, our substantial project pipeline, and the growing market demand, we stay focused on achieving the ambitions outlined in our Vusion '27 plan that we presented in November '22, and are very confident on our medium-term growth prospects.

I will now hand over to Thierry Lemaitre for additional information on our full-year '25 financial results.

Thierry Lemaitre

Thank you Thierry. The board approved today the final 2025 consolidated financial statements, which include an additional €58 million income compared with the set of figures presented on the 26th of February.

This €58 million are an unrealized exchange gain that we had not recognized in the P&L. It turns out yet that even though it is an unrealized, therefore potential and non-cash profit, we have to book this positive impact in the consolidated P&L, which we did in the final version of the 2025 audited financial statements approved today by the Board of Directors.

This €58 million entry is only impacting the financial income and the net income in the financial consolidated statements. Since it is unrealized, it has of course no impact on cash.

The URD, including the audited consolidated and statutory financial statements approved today by the board, will be available on the company website next Monday.

Thierry Gadou

Thank you Thierry, and I think we can now move to questions. We'll take your questions now.

Operator

Thank you so much. Dear participants, as a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press *11 on your telephone keypad and wait for your name to be announced.

To withdraw a question, please press *1 and 1 again. Alternatively, you can submit your questions via the webcast.

Now we are going to take our first question. It comes from line of Hugo Paternoster from Kepler Cheuvreux.

Your line is open, please ask your question.

Hugo Paternoster

Yes. Good evening, gentlemens.

Can you hear me?

Thierry Gadou

Yes, we can.

Hugo Paternoster

Great. Thanks for the presentation.

I would have a couple of questions, and the first one is just on Walmart, on the US perimeter. I did not had in mind that the rollout was expected to end this year, if I understood correctly from your press release.

What would it mean? Is that Walmart is more in a rush to roll out more of its stores for this year?

Had you had that in mind when you build your 2026 guidance? It will be my first question.

Thierry Gadou

Yes, we wrote actually that it would be completed this year or by the beginning of '27, there is always an uncertainty. It doesn't depend on us, given the holiday season imperative, we sometimes are uncertain about exactly whether it's going to end in January, or February, or November, before Christmas.

There was an uncertainty, but we have in mind when we build our guidance that the intent of Walmart is to go in this project as fast as possible. We were let's say being relatively prudent, because it doesn't all depend on us, but we were anticipating this.

Hugo Paternoster

Now you are potentially more viewed that it will be done, all the remaining parts, for 2026. If I remember correctly, at the end of last year, you were already at 50% of the total value of this contract, correct?

Thierry Gadou

Yes, I don't I

Thierry Lemaitre

We have delivered approximately 50% of the stores.

Hugo Paternoster

Okay. Another question is still on Walmart, more likely on Walmex.

You have announced a win there. Just wonder, where are you in terms of discussion for Super Express, for the supercenters, and the Bodega shops there?

Can you provide some color on it and the level of discussion, whether potentially it can include some computer vision and this kind of stuff? Yeah.

Thierry Gadou

On Walmex, I think we try to clarify it. The agreement right now includes the rollout of the Express stores and the supercenters in the country.

We are also running a pilot on La Bodega, which is another format of smaller stores, but there are many of them. This will be decided after that pilot, because pilots have been done on Express and supercenters, not yet on Bodega.

We are currently in the process of doing this pilot on La Bodega. There might be a further announcement in the future, but I have no visibility on that yet.

Right now it's Express and supercenters. Right now it's the EdgeSense platform, let's say with the similar functions and functionalities as in the US.

If we move to rolling out and finalizing CV solutions in the US, the intent is to have a homogeneous set of functionalities and platform throughout the group. It should be also coming to Mexico later on.

Hugo Paternoster

Okay. The supercenters will be also deployed in 2026, and I believe it will last again in 2027 and potentially beyond?

Thierry Gadou

Oh yes. We have not yet a detailed planning, it will be across '26 and '27 for Express and supercenters.

Hugo Paternoster

All right. Understood.

A final question is on the rate of growth for Europe. I think you said that in the call early, but I've missed it.

What is your expected rate of growth for EMEA for this year?

Thierry Gadou

Above 20%.

Hugo Paternoster

Above 20%.

Thierry Gadou

Yes. We said basically we're starting with 10% this quarter, but that the momentum should accelerate over the year.

Hugo Paternoster

Okay. I understand.

I believe that on your guidance, it will be mainly EMEA that will make the variable to reach between +15% to +20%, is that correct?

Thierry Gadou

Europe will grow faster, for once, will grow faster than America, but I think we said that both regions will grow.

Hugo Paternoster

Okay. All right.

Fair enough. I can jump back in the queue.

Thank you very much.

Thierry Gadou

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Now we're going to take our next question.

The question comes from line of Xavier Le Mené from Bank of America Securities. Your line is open, please ask your question.

Xavier Le Mené

Yes. Good evening, Thierry and Thierry.

Thank you for taking my question. Two, if I may.

The first one actually on Carrefour. Can you potentially give us a bit more color where you are?

Because the partnership was announced in February, but have you started to deliver some of the stores and what is potentially the plan for '26 and beyond '26 with Carrefour, that would be quite helpful. The second perspective is on the UK.

You started and you signed a lot of contracts last year in the UK. Can you tell us potentially how big the UK was in Q1 and what you're expecting going forward, and should we expect Morrisons, Co-op, and Asda to be all in 2026 or is it going to roll out into 2027 too?

That would be my two questions.

Thierry Gadou

Okay. The project was just signed in February, we are not starting the rollout.

You have some manufacturing lead times and a number of things to prepare when you prepare a big rollout in these many stores. The rollout will take place over the next years.

I think Alexandre Bompard, the CEO, was very clear publicly that he wants to go fast and certainly not wait until the end of 2030, because this was announced in the 2030 strategic plan. He said that, and so we think it's going to take place over starting this year in H2 and then continuing in '27 and '20 and '28.

There is a large scope, full scope in France, and then there is an exclusivity in Europe, and we're starting pilots in other countries. There is going to be developing over the next years, and it will start slowly in H2, and then accelerating next year.

The second question: Yes, about the UK. Yes, as you said, last year we signed significant amount of contracts.

There is Co-op, there is Morrisons, there is Asda Express, and so all these projects are entering in deployment phase, and this will continue over this year and next year. It's also going to be across those next two years.

It's starting and it's going to accelerate, and so it's a good momentum. As I said, UK is the fastest growing region in Europe.

It's not the biggest one. DACH is the largest sub-region in Europe, but UK is the fastest growing, which is logical because they were, in terms of adoption, lagging behind.

They really started the momentum, I'd say, two years ago. It's a very fast adoption.

We're expecting, generally speaking, this kind of pattern, that the countries that are coming later will actually catch up with the most advanced country in terms of adoption much faster than obviously the pioneering countries.

Xavier Le Mené

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Now we're going to take our next question.

The question comes from line of Beaumond Florent from Bernstein. Your line is open, please ask your question.

Florent Couvreur

Good evening, gentlemen. I have three questions on my side.

The first one is can we please have more detail on the phasing of Walmart US deliveries this year this year? I think that deliveries were a little bit softer this quarter versus the previous one, I guess it's fair to assume that we're going to have an acceleration going forward.

For the second question, we know that you do not comment on customer basis, but can you give us more detail on the contribution of Carrefour orders within the Q1 numbers? The third question, can you also comment on your recurring VAS revenue?

Is the growth mainly coming from a new cloud connection and and pick-to-light functionalities, or is there a meaningful contribution for Captana this this quarter, or by the way, any other VAS services? Thank you.

Thierry Gadou

Regarding Walmart, you're right, there was a strong deployment at the until the very end of the year, and so there is a bit less in in Q1. I think I mentioned that Q2 and Q3 are going to be very strong, and and so and it will then then phase out during Q4.

That is the peak. Yes, we see an acceleration in Q2 and Q3, which are going to be the the the the peak in terms of rhythm of deployment.

That's why we, we we mention that H1 and H2 are going to be roughly around 800-900 in in this ballpark, both of them, which means that obviously by by difference, in in H1 you can see Q2 is going to be a very strong quarter, and that's driven also by by the the the peak. Regarding the the the Carrefour, we well, we don't, we don't talk about order entries number or revenue numbers by by customer.

Recurring recurring revenues are driven I think you you can see the the really strong momentum in the adoption of our cloud platform, which includes several functionalities, and that is obviously managing price promo, managing pick-to-light, stock-to-light, and other functionalities. Overall, this is included in the what we call the VusionCloud platform.

There are different products and different features, but this is the this is and and and I think we mentioned that at the end of Q1 last year, we were below 200 million cloud-connected labels or cloud-managed ESLs, and at the end of this year, we are at the end of Q1 this year, we are we are at 435, or at least way above 400 million. The the momentum is really strong, and that's the main driver of our recurring revenues.

Right now, Captana is all is more at the stage of taking taking up in taking off, sorry, in the in the order entries, not yet visible in a very, strongly in the in the recurring revenue, because you have to always install the infrastructure first, and then the the recurring revenue comes later. It's not It's essentially the contribution of the the cloud platform that is delivering this impressive growth in ARR.

Florent Couvreur

Maybe just a follow-up on the last question in Captana. Are we going to see a pickup in Captana's revenue this year, or are we going to wait for next year?

We will see we will see a

Thierry Gadou

as I said, we we are this year we are I think I mentioned last in February, at the end of February, I mentioned that we would be installing about 100,000, 150,000 AI cameras, and that this quarter we we, for the first time, we have significant orders. We will see revenues in in Captana take off this year, and I think in order entries, it's not finished.

We will see also a we we expect at least a strong dynamic in in in order entries in Captana and a very visible takeoff in '27 in in both, sort of infrastructure revenues, camera revenues, but also the recurring revenue. It's a it's a very very positive momentum we see, and we're extremely, sort of positive on this on this market and on Vusion's position in this market.

We see Vision AI and real-time shelf monitoring enabled by IoT and AI as a very strong need, increasing need of retailers to to optimize inventory and availability, and also to accelerate store-fulfilled e-commerce. Very strategic growth.

We we believe that, Vision AI is the next big unlock in the in the store digitization, and that Vusion is very well-positioned to be successful in this market.

Florent Couvreur

Thank you, Thierry. It's all clear.

Operator

Thank you. Now we're going to take our next question.

The next question comes from line of Valentin Pauliac from Stifel. Your line is open, please ask your question.

Valentin Hoguet

Good evening, everybody. Do you hear me well?

Thierry Gadou

Yeah.

Valentin Hoguet

Yes. Perfect.

Thank you. My first question will be on on Captana.

Is it possible to get more granularity on the order intakes currently? Is it more concentrated on a few big customers or is it split among multiples smaller clients?

The the second question would be about the the the fact that you reiterated your ambitions for the 2027, and I just wanted to have your a feeling about the probab the the the yes, the likely phasing of order intakes to come in the next years, in the next, sorry, quarters, to bridge the the €2.2 billion revenue that it is that it implies in 2027, and the the revenue that you and the the the order intakes on a 12-month rolling basis that you currently have with this first Q1. It implies, if my calculations are correct, around on average around €600 million of order intakes on average for the next three quarters.

Just to to to get a view on if if it's more coming on the on Q2, Q3, or Q4 for you? Very

Thierry Gadou

very good question, thank you. The first question is so Captana order entries are coming from a few large orders.

Obviously we know that on 18th of February, we we signed a a significant partnership with Carrefour, which includes the rollout of Captana. You must you you probably have not have noticed at this point, it's part of it.

There are other. There are in it's spread across, I would say, 10 serious, customers, but there are a few larger orders in this in this ballpark number that we give that we gave, a few tens of millions of euros of other entry.

It's spread across across a few retailers. So 10, two or three are larger, obviously.

It's it's always the the same case. There are many more which are more at still at pilot stage, represent, small order entries, fragmented because at this stage, but there are many more starting in the pilot.

That's how it's structured. There is also the, the the Walmart pilot expansion, etc.

Regarding 2027, yeah, I think you're you're absolutely right. We we expect to to, to continue to have a a strong momentum in order entries this year.

We have a a strong pipeline for the rest of the year and onwards. We expect to to grow our order entries and to certainly, I mean you mentioned the number, and over the next three quarters we, we expect to to to to be over that number and to be essentially growing our full-year 2026 order entries compared with last year.

We are, yes, still targeting to reach our '27 ambition. We see also a driver of this momentum should be the acceleration of VAS order entries.

That's a very important component of our business model, of our strategy, and it's should be much more visible this year, and preparing for an acceleration in 2027. That's an important part of our, of the way we we build it.

It's true that the acceleration of the Walmart rollout has pulled in some revenue from '27 to '25 and '26. This is true, and it's making the target a bit more difficult to reach.

Based on our pipeline, based also on the on the on what I just mentioned as the this additional driver of the acceleration of VAS, we still consider, and this is our target, to to reach our ambition in '27, which is an ambition we set ourselves, four years ago. It's a long time ago, but we still see this really possible based on our pipeline and on the market demand.

Valentin Hoguet

Thank you, very clear.

Operator

Thank you. Now we're going to take our next question.

The next question comes from line of Laurent Galabert from BNP Paribas. Your line is open, please ask your question.

Laurent Galabert

Yes. Good evening, Thierry.

Three questions. The first one relates to the guidance.

As you are basically going to deliver the Walmart contract this year versus ending in Q1 2027, why haven't you been upgrading the guidance for the current fiscal year? That's the first one.

The second one is

Thierry Gadou

can you help us to understand why in terms of the funding for the capex line, you received €311 million, but you have been spending only €221 million, whereas the capex line are all up and running? Why is the €90 million difference between the two?

The third question, can you help us on the accounting mechanics of the revenue recognition coming from the non-refundable capex line funding from Walmart? Or is it fair to say that basically what you recognize as turnover is carrying 100% gross margin?

Laurent, I'm sorry, I stop you because we can't hear you well. At least here in the room, we can't hear you.

Laurent Galabert

Sorry. I'm in an airport, it's not easy.

Can you hear me better now? Yeah.

Yeah. First question was about the upgrade.

Thierry Gadou

I think we got the question.

Laurent Galabert

Okay. Yeah, 2026 guidance, okay.

Thierry Gadou

Yeah.

Laurent Galabert

Yeah. The second question is can you help us to understand why in terms of the funding for the capex line, you received €311 million, but you have been spending only €221 million, whereas the capex lines are all up and running?

Where is the €90 million difference between the two? The third question, can you help us on the accounting mechanics of the revenue recognition coming from the non-refundable capex line funding from Walmart?

Or is it fair to say that basically what you recognize as turnover is carrying 100% gross margin?

Thierry Gadou

I'll take the first one. I'm not sure we understood the third one, but we will come back to you.

There is no upgrade on the guidance. I think we confirm our guidance as basically 15% to 20% at constant exchange rate and tariffs.

It means that roughly this year we are considering about two halves which should be roughly equivalent, 800-900, both. It's not more precise at this stage obviously.

That's giving us the 1.7 to 1.8 billion. Again, there is no change in the guidance because we are considering Q1 is on plan for us.

I think there is no reason in the Q1 for us to change. We see the year exactly as we unfold.

We give an additional information here with the breakdown between H1 and H2. I will hand over maybe to Thierry for the second now, which is a bit more

Thierry Lemaitre

Yes,

Thierry Gadou

financial.

Thierry Lemaitre

Second was about the funding. The $320 million that you are referring to are in dollars, the 210 are in euros, there is already a change in the currency.

On top of that, the funding by Walmart was already including the cost for the maintenance that we're going to incur over the full period of the lifetime of the project. The 210, that's just the picture as of the end of 2025, but it doesn't mean that we have already anticipated all the costs deriving from the operation of the lines.

On top of that, it has always been very clear with Walmart that we had set a price per line. If the cost had exceeded the price per line, it would have been on us.

If we succeeded in better managing the overall cost, that would be some kind of an upside for us. That's the situation on the lines.

Second topic, do not mistake the funding and the recognition of the revenues. Walmart is funding the lines, but then we charge Walmart for full costing approach, including, of course, the amortization or the usage of the manufacturing lines.

We don't say that the portion of the lines which is recharged with a certain level of margin, and then the invoicing of the manufacturing line with 100%. That's the totality of the cost, and then the totality of the revenues, including, of course, a recharge of the manufacturing lines.

No, we don't have 100% margin on the manufacturing lines, that's not the proper way to analyze the situation on Walmart.

Thierry Gadou

Okay.

Operator

Thank you. Now we're going to take our next question.

The next question comes from line of Aurélien Sivignon from ODDO BHF. Your line is open, please ask your question.

Aurélien Sivignon

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question.

I have a couple of follow-up. First on revenue phasing, you are guiding between 500 and 600 million of revenue in Q2 standalone, just to make sure I understand correctly.

Can you confirm that the step-up in Q2 versus Q1, is it only related to the phasing of the Walmart rollout, or are there let's say other matter rollouts expected to ramp up in Q2? Then on Walmex, should we expect the order intakes for supercenter to be recorded in Q2 or rather later in the year?

Last one, still with Walmex, could you say maybe a few words on the potential with the Bodega format? In terms of size, and also timing decision maybe.

Thank you.

Thierry Gadou

Thank you, Aurélien. Aurélien, could you repeat the first question?

I'm not sure I completely got it. The sound was not really good.

Aurélien Sivignon

And Sure. If I understood correctly, your guidance for Q2 standalone is for revenue between 500 and 600 million, which is, I would say, much bigger than the Q1.

Just to make sure I understand correctly, is it only related to the phasing of the rollout with Walmart, or are there any other rollouts that are expected to ramp up in Q2? Okay.

Thierry Gadou

No, it's both things. It's also the momentum in Europe.

It's an acceleration of the, sort of deployment in Walmart, but it's also the momentum in Europe. We said that the momentum in Europe would be, let's say, intensifying over the quarters this year, and so it's really both.

The second quarter is going to be strong, but with growth in both regions. Then the second regarding Walmex, yes, the answer is yes, it should be in Q2.

I can't answer your question about the Bodega. I think it's better to wait until we finalize the pilot, because then we will know, well, first whether the ROI makes sense and Walmart goes on with the rollout on Bodega, and then we'll see also what kind of solution set would be chosen for this store.

We're not ready to make an answer on this. We're more at pilot stage.

Yes, the order entries would be in Q2 for this Mexican project, yes.

Aurélien Sivignon

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you.

Thierry Gadou

Would be the last question?

Operator

Now we're going to take our next question. It comes from line of Xavier Le Mené from Bank of America Securities.

Your line is open, please ask your question.

Xavier Le Mené

Yes, me again. Sorry for that.

I've got a remaining question. Just looking at your revenues back to 2020, 2021, and 2022, which means five, six years ago, how much of that can we potentially see coming back as old customers renewing and going for the new technology five, six years after signing the contract?

You had about €1.3 billion of sales if I aggregate this three years. Is there something you can comment there or what should we potentially expect going forward in terms of old clients coming back five, six years later?

Thierry Gadou

Yes. First it's a very good question and a very important aspect of our business.

In fact, there is a lot of repeat business with our customers. We are having regular swaps and upgrades, because since we innovate a lot, a swap is never a replacement.

It's very often an upgrade. That happens, depending on the retailers, every six years, five years, seven years.

It depends a lot on them. It depends on the appetite to upgrade precisely and to take on new technologies, new features.

Yes, we consider that in a market where there is a lot of strong installed base, like particularly in Europe, we will have a growing part of our business which will be renewals and upgrades on our installed base. On top of that, we have of course the development of our customer base, which is increasing penetration on our customers, because they are not yet fully equipped, far from that.

In average it would be somewhere around 50% penetration, there is a lot of renewals. In the most mature markets where we are past 50% adoption, 60% adoption, there are some even markets in which the penetration is higher, we have a strong component of renewals in our ESL sales.

It's true that we have acquired many new logos in 2018, 2019, 2020, '21, and those are going to fuel also the momentum. Already, if you think about the case of Carrefour typically, Carrefour is also a player that had already previous generations of ESL, now moving to a new generation and renewing its stores.

It's a perfect example. There will be many large retailers in Europe in this situation in the coming years.

Xavier Le Mené

There is no way you can quantify how much renewal you get from this old contracts? Kind of percentage of, I don't know, 50% of the customers renew it after five, six years or something like that?

Thierry Gadou

If you take an average of 6-7 years, you can basically derive an average of saying you have an installed base of 10,000 stores or 50,000 stores, and you can derive the number of percentage of the installed base that is renewed every year. It's quite an easy calculation to make.

Obviously, that part of renewal will grow, and in the next five years, it's probably going to be a very significant, if not in some markets it's going to be more than half of our market would be renewals. There is not so much churn in this market.

We have relatively loyal customers who stay with us, because we innovate a lot, and so you would have to go into much more detailed account-by-account, sort of list to be more specific. I think I gave you relatively precise rules to or indications to calculate it.

Xavier Le Mené

Yes, that's helpful. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Now we are going to take our last question for today.

It comes from line of Gilles Crespel from Alizé. Your line is open, please ask your question.

Gilles Crespel

Yes, good evening Thierry. Thank you very much for taking my question, and congratulations especially on the VAS side, which is quite both a good news and good thing for the future.

My question was a very short ones on confirmation. Thierry mentioned that about 60% of Walmart stores were rolled out.

I just wanted to clear that this was including all phases, both phases 1, 2, 3, approximately the total overall should have been something like 4,600 POS. Is that correct?

Thierry Gadou

The the 4,600 stores is correct. I think it this is and and the fact that it's going to be covered at the end of the of, at the end of the year is correct too.

Now the

Gilles Crespel

Thierry mentioned that 60% of the stores had been delivered, is this correct? You mean when did he say,

Thierry Gadou

we haven't communicated this this this

Gilles Crespel

Earlier in the conversation, in let's say first as an answer to the first question, I think Thierry mentioned that 60% of the Walmart stores had been delivered, that's why I was keen to confirm.

Thierry Lemaitre

I said approximately 50, 5-0, not 60.

Gilles Crespel

Sorry, I didn't get the answer.

Thierry Lemaitre

I said approximately

Gilles Crespel

5-0

Thierry Lemaitre

at the end of '25. Okay.

Gilles Crespel

At the end of '25, thank you very much. My second question was on the order intake.

I think that was our beloved CEO, the other Thierry, who mentioned the order intake was a bit disappointing in the first quarter, but was the second best in terms of the last 12 months. Did I understand it correctly, because it doesn't match my computation?

Thierry Gadou

No, absolutely, I didn't say that. I said precisely that Q1 I didn't say disappointing, I don't think I said that.

Gilles Crespel

No, I did. Sorry.

Thierry Gadou

Okay. No, well, sorry to disappoint you then.

Gilles Crespel

No, but

Thierry Gadou

the reality is what I said is that it is below and actually 40% below last year's Q1. I just mentioned that last year's Q1 was an exceptional high quarter, half a billion in just one quarter.

It was a difficult comparison basis to let's say match this quarter. That's what I said.

I said yet it is in line with our expectation, and it is the second best Q1 in our history.

Gilles Crespel

Okay. Second

Thierry Gadou

Q1 in our history, because there is a bit of seasonality, second best Q1. Obviously the best Q1 by far, it was last year Q1 because it was half a billion in just three months.

That's the second best Q1. That's what we said.

It's true.

Gilles Crespel

Very clear. Thank you very much.

Then

Thierry Gadou

we said that the 12-month accumulated was 1.5.

Gilles Crespel

Yeah. Billion.

Billion. Which is more or less what I have.

Thank you very much.

Thierry Gadou

Yes. Thanks Gilles.

Thank you everyone. We wish you a good end of day, a good evening.

We will now actually see each other for the Q2, basically. In the meantime, for some of you surely for the general shareholders meeting on June 4.

With this, I wish you a good evening. Thank you, and bye-bye.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating.

You may now all disconnect. Have a nice day.