Executives
William R Berkley – Chairman and CEO Rob Berkley – President and COO Gene Ballard – SVP and CFO
Analysts
Kevin Walsh – Citi Josh Shanker – Deutsche Bank Vinay Misquith – Credit Suisse Ken Billingsley – BGB Securities Doug McGregor – RBC Capital Markets Greg Locraft – Morgan Stanley Jay Cohen – Bank of America Meyer Shields – Stifel Nicolaus Bob Farnum - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Larry Greenberg – Langen McAlenney Connie Deboever – The Boston Company
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Gene Ballard
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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : So with that I’m happy to take any questions, and we are all sitting here and we’ll be pleased to answer any of your questions. : So with that I’m happy to take any questions, and we are all sitting here and we’ll be pleased to answer any of your questions.
: So with that I’m happy to take any questions, and we are all sitting here and we’ll be pleased to answer any of your questions. : So with that I’m happy to take any questions, and we are all sitting here and we’ll be pleased to answer any of your questions.
: So with that I’m happy to take any questions, and we are all sitting here and we’ll be pleased to answer any of your questions. : So with that I’m happy to take any questions, and we are all sitting here and we’ll be pleased to answer any of your questions.
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Gene Ballard
Yeah, it’s around $1.2 billion to $1.3 billion each year, in 2011 and ‘12, that would be rolling off and maturing.
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Kevin Walsh – Citi
And roughly what’s the gap between the portfolio yield and the new money rate today that you’re seeing?
William R Berkley
I would guess that we’re probably talking about 0.5%, maybe 0.75%.
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Kevin Walsh – Citi
Okay, thank you very much.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Josh Shanker from Deutsche Bank.
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In terms of equilibrium, what would be causing admitted carriers to be behaving more responsibly if they haven’t yet seen losses?
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I think you covered it unless Josh had a further question.
Josh Shanker – Deutsche Bank
The only thing, is there any rule of thumb we can use to think about pricing between business – how it’s priced in the admitted market versus how it’s priced in the ENS market?
Rob Berkley
Well clearly historically the non-admitted market or the ENS market has had more robust rates and perhaps as if not more important, their terms and conditions are such that it translates into perhaps a better all-in effective rate.
Josh Shanker – Deutsche Bank
It’s difficult to quantify.
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Josh Shanker – Deutsche Bank
Yep, alright.
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Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Vinay Misquith from Credit Suisse.
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Vinay Misquith – Credit Suisse
And then the new business that you’re getting, would it be fair to say some of it is coming from the old companies that are staying with and some of it is coming from the new companies?
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Okay, thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Ken Billingsley with BGB Securities.
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Can you speak a little louder, Ken?
Ken Billingsley – BGB Securities
Yes, can you hear me okay now?
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Gene Ballard
Yeah, $51 million.
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Great, congratulations on the quarter. William R Berkley – Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Doug McGregor of RBC Capital Markets.
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Operator
Our next question comes from Greg Locraft with Morgan Stanley.
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William R Berkley
Well since you’ve already decided what it is you’ve answered your question for yourself, there’s no sense in me responding.
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Rob Berkley
Yeah, 11% is not anywhere near a high for that.
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Our next question comes from Jay Cohen from Bank of America.
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William R Berkley
Yes.
Jay Cohen – Bank of America
Okay.
William R Berkley
And it also says that probably one would think that any takedowns probably are somewhat offset by caution in the current years.
Jay Cohen – Bank of America
I guess you also have the other issue of prices that have been going down, so that would obviously put some upward pressure on that pick, too.
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Any exposure to the New Zealand earthquake?
William R Berkley
Nothing of any consequence.
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Our next question comes from Meyer Shields with Stifel Nicolaus.
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Our next question comes from Bob Farnum at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Bob Farnum – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: : : :
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Yes, sir. Bob Farnum – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: :
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I won’t say we’ll be a very different company but it’s certainly an issue that I take seriously and we will have to give consideration to that, because yes – I believe ultimately the cost of capital is a long-term driver of companies’ abilities to survive. Bob Farnum – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: : :
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: : : Bob Farnum – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: So not much different than your current, your domestic book.
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Our next question comes from Larry Greenberg with Langen McAlenney.
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Larry Greenberg – Langen McAlenney
Interesting, thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Connie Deboever at The Boston Company.
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Connie Deboever – The Boston Company
Understood, thank you.
Operator
And sir, I’m showing no further questions in the queue.
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