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Q2 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptJuly 22, 2026

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Jens Brueckner

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. A very warm welcome to our Results Presentation for the First Half of 2026 this morning in Zurich.

I'm joined as usual by the management team, our CEO, Giorgio Pradelli, our CFO, Deputy CEO, Dimitris Politis, and as usual, we will have obviously two presentations. Afterwards, we have enough time for Q&A, and obviously, as usual, I also point out the disclaimer in the presentation.

Without any further delay, I hand over to Giorgio. Thank you.

Jens Brueckner

Giorgio Pradelli

Thank you. Thank you, Jens.

Good morning. Good morning, everyone, and also from my side, a warm welcome to EFG half year 2026 results presentation.

I'm actually quite pleased to be here today in Zurich on a beautiful summer day. First of all, because we have a strong set of results, and we're looking forward to presenting them to you, but also because yesterday we managed to close the acquisition of Quilvest, a Zurich-based bank.

This was a transaction that we have announced back in January, and after the regulatory approvals, we were able, as I said, to close yesterday. Thanks to this acquisition, for the first time ever, EFG was able to cross the CHF 200 billion mark in terms of Assets under Management.

Again, I don't want to enter into debate whether size matters or not. In fact, at EFG we are very much focused on quality, not only quantity.

Having said that, in our business, international private banking, scale is important, especially you want to be the private banking of choice of generations of clients, and you are present in all the major financial centers on the planet. I also believe that the CHF 200 billion mark is somehow a testament of a great entrepreneurial success story that started back in the 1980s and accelerated in the 1990s.

We had an IPO in 2005. At the time, at the IPO, we had less than CHF 40 billion Assets under Management, so in the period we grew more than 5x.

10 years ago, when I was standing here as CFO and presenting the half year figures, this was before the closing of BSI, we had CHF 80 billion Assets under Management. In the last 10 years, it was a growth of more than 2.5x, or precisely 2.5x.

Again, I believe that this is extremely important because it shows that we were able, in the period, to serve our clients, and this is the main purpose, and clients obviously have followed us through the last years and the last decades. Coming back to the last six months, or the last 12 months, when we compare a year-on-year, again, if you look at the CHF 200 billion Assets under Management, you see that the growth year-on-year was in excess of 23%, which, as such, is already a remarkable achievement, and this is very important.

We're going to talk later about the future and the outlook and the trends, I think starting this new semester with CHF 200 billion is clearly an important advantage. Acquisitions for EFG are obviously part of the menu, are important, our core strategy is about organic growth, we are pleased to report that our net new assets for the first six months of 2026 was CHF 5.7 billion.

To some of you, the figure might sound familiar, for us, the growth in percentage terms is 6.2%, which is in excess of our target range. You know that our target range is 4%-6%.

Again, here, I'm very pleased to say that this performance in terms of NNA is quite sustainable. It is the 15th consecutive semester where we had positive growth in terms of NNA.

Also, if I look at the recent past, the last five semesters, we were able, in the last five semesters, to grow every single semester more than 5%, so at the top end of our range. I think this is quite important.

As you know, we are quite focused on NNA. We believe that clearly for us, also for analysts and investors, this is the leading indicator for future profitability and future growth.

On the other hand, for us, it's also a sign that clients like what we do, clients like what we offer, clients appreciate our service, appreciate our client services, appreciate, obviously, our impartial advice during this period, or I would say, of volatility and uncertainty. From a commercial standpoint, I would say that the organization is in great health.

Now, growth is important. Growth has to be sustainable, we have covered that, it's also extremely relevant that growth is also profitable.

Moving now to page five, we are very pleased that we were able to translate our strong growth into profitability. Actually, the first half of 2026 has been the best semester performance with the highest net profit of CHF 185 million IFRS net profit, this translates into a return on tangible equity of 22.4%.

This is 3 percentage points higher than a year ago, which I would say is quite remarkable and is already ahead of our target for 2028, which is, as you know, 20%. Now, we were pleased and we are pleased that despite a decline in margin, which was particularly relevant in the second half of last year obviously had some impact in the first half of this year, we were able to grow our operating income by 7% year-on-year to over CHF 850 million.

Obviously this led to a strong capital generation, from an organic standpoint, our CET1 now is in excess of 15%. All in all, we have started the new cycle.

As you know, this is the first semester of our new strategic cycle, 2026, 2028. We started a new cycle in a position of strength with a good momentum in our business.

I will pause here and I will give the floor now to Dimitris Politis, our CFO and Deputy CEO, who will do a deep dive on our financial performance. Dimitris, the floor is yours.

Giorgio Pradelli

Dimitris Politis

Thank you very much, Giorgio. Also a warm welcome from my side.

We will start with page seven of the presentation, which is just the highlight of the day. The highlight of the day, as you realize, is that we have achieved our best profitability levels ever in a semester at CHF 185 million bottom line.

That figure is up 5% compared to the first half of last year. Clearly, we exclude a one-off gain that we recorded last year to make sure that the comparability makes sense.

I think the number that actually stands out in the financial performance of this semester is the return on tangible equity at 22.4%. That is 3 percentage points up compared to last year and is clearly ahead of our target of 20%.

We'll come back to the financial targets later. You will notice that we are already meeting three out of four, and in the fourth one, which is cost to income, we have made improvements compared to last year, and we are moving closer to our 68% target levels.

I think in the sort of a broader viewpoint, the only thing I would note is that the actual bottom line of the first half of this year of CHF 185 million is practically the bottom line we had for the full year back in 2022. In the course of three years, we've managed to double profitability through several actions, some of which continue.

Some of them also get augmented with additional actions. Moving on to page eight, gives you a bit the sense of what happened over the last couple of years.

It's a bit of zooming in. As I said, profits are up 5% compared to last year.

They are 13% up compared to the second half of last year. We have an acceleration of profitability as we move closer to the first half of 2026.

I think what the picture shows you is that we've been successful in the strategy that we have been describing for quite a bit of time now. The strategy has been that we need to defend margin.

We need to build scale. In an environment of dropping interest rates, that was the only set of actions that could actually increase our profitability.

You'll see that now the margin has dropped from 97 basis points to 91 basis points. We've been good at defending, and we're keeping the revenue margin above the 90 basis point level.

At the same time, on the right-hand side, you will see that we moved from AuM of CHF 166 billion to AuM of CHF 200 billion as we speak today, primarily because of our organic growth. We'll come back to the margin, and what we expect going forward.

In general, we believe that we're going to see limited headwinds going forward on the margin. Moving to page nine.

Here we try to strip out a bit of the noise because we have a bit of noise from life insurance. We show to you the operating profit excluding all the exceptionals.

This is the chart on the left. You will see that over the course of the last two years, we've moved from CHF 162 million of operating profit to CHF 227 million.

That's approximately 19% on average per annum. We have also grown that figure by 7% in the last six months, which comes to also our promise of delivering approximately 15% growth in bottom line every single year in this strategic cycle.

For us, what is very important is the consistent delivery on these numbers. You'll see that that figure is actually going up every single semester.

It doesn't matter that rates have been going down. We've been compensating by volume.

We've been compensating by increasing our commission margin. Making sure that it's not just about the actual quantity of our profit, but also the quality of our profit.

I'll come back to that later when we talk about our composition of our margin. I think that in these figures, we have now two acquisitions incorporated fully in the first half of 2026.

These are already contributing profits. They are far off from our expectations.

As we move along, we expect to be able to expand their business and also make sure that our technology helps them be more cost-efficient. We do expect a higher contribution, especially after the technology migration.

You will see that clearly we have some positive from life insurance in the first half of 2026. However, it is smaller than what was in the past, in the first half of previous years.

We do expect it to window down to zero as we move along in the next couple of years. Page 10 is our usual set of numbers, 6.2% annualized growth in NNA, 91 basis points of margin.

72 CROs who have actually already entered in the first half, or to whom we have already issued offer letters or have signed the offer letters. In terms of profitability, 5% up year-on-year.

Cost-to-income ratio at 71.5%, which is 1.6 percentage points better than it was in the second half of last year, so an improvement. A net profit, CHF 185 million.

On the right-hand side, not to be forgotten, very strong organic capital generation at 230 basis points. We have added 1 full percentage point in the last six months, both in Core Tier 1 capital and in total capital.

Now our Core Tier 1 stands at 15%. Our total capital stands at 18.3%.

On page 11, we have the four financial targets that we track for our 2028 performance. You will see that in terms of net new asset growth, we came at 6.2%.

The last three semesters, we have been above the guidance of 4%-6%. In terms of revenue margin, we are at 91 basis points.

Cost-to-income ratio is flat compared to last year, and better than the second half of 2025, and we have an increasing return on tangible equity. I think what is impressive, if I look at these set of numbers, is that we've managed to absorb a drop of 6 basis points in the revenue margin while keeping the Cost-to-income flat.

I think that is a great success. It comes with clearly building the book and growing the business.

It also comes with significant effort in managing costs the best way we can without stifling growth, because otherwise our Cost-to-income ratio would not have remained at the same level as the first half of 2025. Page 12.

In terms of the evolution of the AuM, we added CHF 5.7 billion of net new assets. In this period, we also had positive contributions in AuM by market effects and currency effects, CHF 3.5 billion and CHF 2.3 billion respectively.

This means that we have reached AuM of CHF 196.3 billion at the end of June 2025. I think what is very important is that that level of revenue-generating assets are up 21% compared to June 2025.

This is what I mentioned earlier about making sure that you build scale while you're defending margin, and this has been a clear driver in our performance in this first half of the year. In terms of the breakdown of the NNA between existing CROs and new CROs, in this semester, we had new CROs contributing 46% of net new assets.

In the previous year, we had new CROs contributing about 65% of net new assets. In general, our expectation is that going forward, the contribution between new and existing CROs should be balanced.

I think in both last year and this year, we are very much within the range that we expect in terms of composition between existing and new CROs as a source of the net new assets. Moving on to page 13, you'll see the contribution of the different regions in the net new assets of the period.

All the regions were positive. Switzerland was running at 3.7%, is just below our 4%-6% range.

We had exceptional performance by Asia-Pacific and Continental Europe and the Middle East. They were both double digit in terms of growth, and both were above CHF 2 billion of net new assets for the period.

We had a smaller contribution, a slower pace in the U.K. and the Americas.

Which is mostly because of some very specific outflows in those regions. The gross inflow for both regions was actually very solid, we do expect them to come back to a more normal performance in terms of net new assets going forward.

Page 14, the very important topic of CRO hiring. You'll see that in the period, and this is in the middle of the page, in the middle chart, we hired 39 CROs.

We have extended offers to another 33 CROs in the same period, which are now currently pending. At these levels, we are coming in with a hiring which is at the higher end or even just above the guidance we have provided of 50-70 gross CRO hires within a year.

You will also see that in terms of CRO evolution, we are growing at a small pace on the left-hand side of the page. What is very important is on the right-hand side, the AuM per CRO.

We have managed to reach AuM per CRO of CHF 360 million. This is the highest we have ever had.

This is pretty much double the number that we had when I joined the bank about eight years ago. The value of this figure is twofold.

One is it gives you the indication of the quality of the CROs that we currently have, and it also helps very much in being very efficient in terms of running a business. I think page 15 is very important because clearly in a transition where you have both your volumes and your AuM going up and your margin going down, looking at the composition of the revenues is very important.

Overall revenues increased by 7% compared to the same period of 2025. What was the driver?

Net commission income was the biggest driver, growing by 20% year-on-year. A large portion of that came because of volume, but also we managed to increase the commission margin year-on-year from 44 basis points-46 basis points, and that also contributed very much.

How did we manage to do that? A lot of it has to do with expanding the penetration of mandates.

I will come back on the next page on a few more explanations. I think what is equally important is that the interest-related part actually went up by 4% year-on-year.

I know that on the face of the P&L, you will see that our interest income has actually gone down year-on-year. Also the treasury swap activity has gone significantly up from CHF 69 million-CHF 127 million, and I am comparing half one 2025 to half one 2026.

You see the figure on the chart. In combination, those two actually grew by 4%.

We clearly lost on margin, but in terms of absolute levels, that is 4% up and is positive. In terms of the net other income compared to the second half of the year, we have also increased, and this is mostly due to the FX and metals business.

In terms of the life insurance portfolio, we had 2 basis points of revenue last year. We have now 1 basis point in the first half of 2026, and that is also one reason that our revenues were slightly impacted in the first half of 2026.

Moving on to page 16, which is a bit of a deeper dive on the margin, because I am sure that the question that is going to come at some point is this revenue margin sustainable? I would decompose it into these three parts, starting from the interest-related part, which is the middle of the chart on the left.

You see that we started back in 2024 with interest rates being at their peak. We are earning something between 34-36 basis points of revenue on everything which is interest related.

This is now 28 basis points. The average of the last 10 years is 29 basis points.

We have seen interest rates being flat for the last six months. In reality, the risk of any significant further cut in the rates is probably not there.

We've seen actually increases in interest rates in certain countries. We believe that at these levels, there are going to be limited headwinds, if any headwinds, when it comes to the interest-related part of the business.

Moving on to the commission margin, you will see that we were 44 for the first half of last year, 43 before that. We are now at 46 with an average of the last 10 years at 43.

We are clearly doing better. We are doing better because in the last three, four years, we've expanded quite a bit in our capabilities in providing advice to the clients.

We have added more resources. We have beefed up our investment and credit solutions team, and we've managed to increase, as you see, the mandate penetration now to 67%.

This is the basis of having higher recurring commission margins, as you see at the bottom right, and we do expect to continue building and increasing this commission revenue margin going forward. Lastly, we have the net other income, which largely includes the FX and metals business.

You'll see that in the last five semesters, the range has been between 14 and 20 basis points. Maybe 20 was an exaggeration.

Currently, we're at 16. I believe that given where we are today, we are fairly safe to project, assuming the same client activity, that this will not dramatically change.

All in all, we believe that for a first half performance, and I'm saying first half because there is some seasonality between first half and second half because we know that July and August are usually a bit slower on client activity. For a first half performance, the 91 basis points, maybe 90 excluding life insurance, which is not going to be there for very long, should be the right level of margin for us in the medium term.

Moving on to costs. Headline costs were up 8% year-on-year.

The entirety of that 8% has been because of acquisitions. You'll see on the next page that excluding the acquisitions, costs were flat year-on-year and pretty much semester-on-semester compared to the second half of the year.

The acquisitions are coming in currently in the first half of 2026 with a higher cost-to-income ratio than the 71% that we are posting. This is because we still are carrying some restructuring costs, and the synergies have not clearly been realized.

We're expecting to be realized fully after we have the full integration on a technology level, which will happen in the first half of 2027. We're looking forward to increasing the contribution of acquisitions in the next 12 months.

Moving to the next page 18. Here, we show the operating expenses, excluding acquisitions, the business that we actually had in the first half of 2025, excluding Cité Gestion and excluding ISG.

You will see that everything is pretty much flat. This is what we've always said about self-help.

It's our ability to do efficiency gains of roughly 3% every single year on every single unit in order to make room for additional investment. Once you invest that, you manage to be flat on a year-to-year basis.

We're also progressing on our Simplicity 2.0 plan. We told you back in November 2025 that we have a cost and efficiency plan, which is going to be order of magnitude CHF 70 million to CHF 80 million of benefit by 2028.

At this point, we have identified and we are acting on about half that amount. We expect to build on that amount as we move throughout the year.

We are very confident that by the end of 2028, we'll be at the levels that we expect to be in terms of the Simplicity program. Moving a bit away from the P&L on page 19.

This is the high-quality balance sheet with not many changes from what clearly you saw back in December 2025. We have about CHF 20 billion of liquid assets.

In terms of liquidity and LCR, we are at 267%. The important element is the increase in core Tier 1, which has now increased by 100 basis points compared to last year, going from 14%-15%.

At the same time, the total capital ratio has reached 18.3%. In terms of share buyback, we have acquired 2 million shares in the first half of 2026 to fund our employee incentive plans.

How did we manage to actually grow our capital by 100 basis points in the first half? The biggest driver, as always, is organic capital generation.

We added 2.3% from organic capital. There was a small benefit from risk-weighted assets as we have been optimizing risk-weighted assets throughout the period.

We are accruing a dividend according to our progressive policy on dividends with a payout of 60%. There's some limited consumption from the share buyback that gets us to the 15% core Tier 1 ratio for the 30th of June 2026.

To close, in terms of linking the performance of the first half to our expectations for the future, the beginning of 2026 has been a very solid start to our three-year plan. In terms of execution, we have been executing on all priorities.

The priorities that you see here in the middle of the page, so business development, defending the revenue margin, and being strict in cost, has been there. These are the same three priorities that we showed to you, that I presented to you back in February.

We've been doing very well in terms of delivering on all three elements. This is the reason why we feel confident that this robust start in 2026 gives us a very solid stepping stone to move on to succeed towards our financial targets.

Clearly, the acquisitions are there. As Giorgio mentioned earlier, we managed to close the third one yesterday.

They are already contributing. We expect them to contribute even more going forward, and we try to exploit them in full by 2028.

On that note, I would like to pass the floor to Giorgio for his final remarks. Thank you very much.

Dimitris Politis

Giorgio Pradelli

Thank you. Thank you, Dimitris.

Let's now look ahead. Let's look now at the priorities for this year and the following years and the outlook for our industry and our firm, what we can see at the moment.

Let me start from where actually Dimitris left it. First of all, we are very pleased that our operating model continues to deliver strong results.

These were the priorities for 2026, so for this year that we have showed you on the 18th of February when we presented the full year results for 2025. Basically, was to continue the organic growth momentum complemented by M&A, to focus on margin resilience, and to continue to generate operating leverage.

As Dimitris mentioned, and you can see here on the right-hand side, I think we have delivered. As far as three out of the four targets, we are ahead on three in terms of NNA, revenue margin, and return on tangible equity.

As far as the cost income ratio is concerned, we started the cycle at 73%. This was the cost income at the end of 2025.

We need to reach 68%. If we manage to reduce every year by 1.5 to 2 percentage points, we are going to get there.

In the first six months of this year, we reduced by 1.6 percentage points, so we are absolutely on track. Now, looking ahead and let's look a second at the environment.

We believe that the macro environment remains constructive for our business and the financial markets are resilient. We have introduced in November 2025, when we presented our 2028 strategy, the concept of wealth on the move.

Wealthy family considers private banking as a geopolitical risk diversification, we see that actually the cross-border flows continue to grow. The growth last year was in excess of 8%, which is a multiple of the growth in terms of nominal GDP.

Clearly, as I was saying earlier, for us, the key objective is to intercept these flows, and I think we're doing a pretty good job about that. The other key question is what are the financial markets going to do?

Overall, what we observe is that the investors have demonstrated an incredible resilience, I would say, despite all the events that we have seen. We believe that this, or at least our Chief Investment Officer and our colleagues believe that this will continue for the foreseeable future.

We don't want to downplay possible risks. People talk about bubbles in AI, bubbles in the sovereign debt, and so on.

For the moment, what we have seen is actually a risk-on approach, coupled with a lot of client activity given the volatility of the markets. To be fair for us, this is an ideal situation because clearly if clients are risk-on but the markets are volatile, we see an increased client activity, and this is positive for our business.

Now, in terms of our strategy and our vision, again, we have presented it at the end of November last year. I believe to have a clear vision and a very articulated strategy is important to guide the firm and all the colleagues forward.

Our vision is very clear. We want to become the private bank of choice for generation of clients, delivering truly personalized services and impartial advice.

We have a clear strategy. On the left-hand side, you see our strategic framework that we presented last November.

We want to build on our strength, and we want to capture new opportunities for growth. In order to capture new opportunities, it is clear that we need to augment our CROs.

The way we do that is to associate our CROs with specialists in the different asset classes from investment and client solutions and global markets, and obviously, we augment our CROs with the new solutions in technology. As you know, we have implemented now in Switzerland, and we are rolling out across the globe Aladdin, which is, I would say, the reference tool for advisory.

Advisory for us is obviously a critical service. The vision is clear, the strategy is well-articulated, but as everything in life, what is important is how you execute a strategy.

We believe that we are set to deliver an increasing operating leverage and a strong performance going forward in line with our strategic plan. We believe that because we are focusing on the levers that we can control.

We are coming in the second semester of 2026 with record Assets under Management, and to a certain extent, we can control that lever. As I said earlier in my introduction, and Dimitris reiterated later, we are growing for the last 15 semester in, semester out, and this is not by coincidence.

We are in a good health in terms of commercial performance, and we will continue. Also regarding the margin, I think Dimitris gave, as always, an insightful deep dive on the matter.

I think we need to focus, and we have been always focusing on what we can control on the margin. For sure, everything related to client activity, net commission income, the mix of our assets that we call it Mission 75 to increase the mandate penetration.

These are all areas that we can control, and we have done very, very well over the years. The area that obviously for us is difficult to control is the level of interest rates, and clearly there is some correlation on interest rates.

As Dimitris was saying earlier, and you can see on the chart on the bottom left-hand side, we see that the headwinds coming from interest rates are reducing. We see a sort of stabilization.

Some central banks have started already raising rates. If this component of the margin stabilizes, clearly, we are very confident that we can improve the other components that are under control.

If we do this, I have no doubt that we are going to execute in a very diligent and consistent way as we have done over the last years, we will be able to deliver a consistent performance and to unlock what we call the power of compounding. On the right-hand side, you see the chart that we presented back in November.

We have complemented here the results in terms of IFRS net profit for the first half and the return on tangible equity, also for the first half. You can see that we are on track to deliver on our ambition of a 15% CAGR, for our IFRS net profit going forward.

Obviously, we love the 15% CAGR because in five years you double your profitability. Now, recapping the situation, we are confident and convinced that a consistent execution on our plan will drive sustainable and profitable growth for the benefit of our shareholders, our clients, and all other stakeholders.

We see the environment as being constructive, and this will support our strong organic growth. Clearly with M&A, there is some lag in how fast you can integrate them, but they will increase their contribution to the group.

We have a clear strategy, as I was saying, and we will continue to augment our CROs, which basically will result in an improvement in the productivity and efficiency of our firm. We are set to deliver an increasing operating leverage and strong performance in the next quarters and semester.

To close, we reiterate our confidence in achieving our 2028 targets. With this, I pause here.

I hand back to Jens for the beginning of our Q&A session.

Giorgio Pradelli

Jens Brueckner

Thank you very much for the very insightful presentation as always. We come to obviously the Q&A session.

As usual, we will start with questions in the room first, and then we will move to the telephone lines. If we start on the left-hand side and then move to Mate next, please.

Thank you.

Jens Brueckner

Daniel Regli

Yes. Good morning.

This is Daniel from Zürcher Kantonalbank. Thank you for taking my questions.

For me, it would be interesting to hear a bit the trajectory over the first half year. Obviously, after four months, you had a bit of better key numbers.

Gross margin was a bit higher, cost income was a bit lower. Can you maybe talk a bit about the exit rates of the last two months and what makes you confident to kind of return back to, let's say, the 90%+ gross margins?

Daniel Regli

Dimitris Politis

Daniel, let me take that. You're right.

The margin that we posted in the first four months was 93 basis points. What we have now for the six months is 91 basis points.

The difference between the two is 1 basis point lower for life insurance, which had a smaller contribution, actually a negative contribution in the last two months of the semester. Otherwise, the performance between the first four months and the last two months was not very different.

We had a bit more client activity in January and maybe March, I wouldn't say that it's not something that we would not see in a September or a November of a year, depending on market conditions. To be fair, because I had the opportunity to look at all the analysts and the consensus where, clearly, there was about an expectation of maybe 1 basis point higher of revenues.

That difference is exactly that life insurance, which did not repeat in the last two months. We know it's volatile, it's between zero and 2 basis points in the last few years in terms of contribution, but that's the main driver of the volatility.

Otherwise, the business has been quite stable.

Dimitris Politis

Giorgio Pradelli

Let me add. I would like to add one point on this.

First of all, regarding NNA, I would say that the last two months have been as good as the previous four months. We are maintaining the 6% or better than 6%.

I would like to mention, I know that you guys need to look at all the possible data points and look at the last two months versus the previous two months. This is a long game, right?

This is a game where you do not focus on two months versus the previous two months. We put this slide and this chart at the bottom left.

Our margin when interest rates were zero or negative in certain jurisdictions were in the 70s. You see our--

Giorgio Pradelli

Dimitris Politis

Low 70s.

Dimitris Politis

Giorgio Pradelli

Low 70s. You see our margin is the bronze line, ROA, in basis points, which excludes life insurance and exceptional.

This is the truly representation of our business. It shoot up because of interest rates almost Well, actually 200.

You had a movement of 30 basis points, now there is interest rates came down in the cycle, and now we are coming down. Obviously, we are focusing a lot of, as we said, on commission income and all client activity, the interest rate is such a powerful force, which we don't control.

Now we are down to 93, 91. On top, there is the noise by the life insurance that can create 1 or 2 basis points of noise.

It's very difficult for us to predict to the exact basis point. I would say that, in the cycle, we have come from a very low, our secular trend is around 85, which is, if you see there is a slide on Dimitris that shows the last 10 years.

We have gone down massively, we have shot up, now we're normalizing at the top end. There is a noise of life insurance.

The issue is, I understand where you guys are coming from, that 1 basis point is CHF 20 million. If you're off 1 basis point for half a year, it's CHF 10 million, that might create some issues in the models.

Looking at our business, I repeat, the quarterly movements, we need to take them with a pinch of salt. This is what I'm trying to say with a very articulated answer.

Giorgio Pradelli

Daniel Regli

Of course. Thank you so much.

I'll hand it.

Daniel Regli

Mate Nemes

Yes. Good morning.

This is Mate Nemes from UBS. I have three questions, please.

The first one would be on hiring. You obviously had a really strong hiring print in the first half, 72, including those that you signed and approved but haven't joined yet.

That is already ahead of the full year guidance of the 50 to 70 per annum typically you have. What do you expect in the second half, and are there any specific regions that these hires are being made in?

Second question. I'm sorry to return to gross margin, but I have to.

If you could comment on the exit gross margin at the end of June. Also, if you could share expectations on the interest-driven margin component in the second half.

Is it fair to expect a fairly stable movement on that front from here, or is there any downside? The last question would be on costs.

You're saying that the current level of execution on Simplicity 2.0 is at 40%-45% of the 28 ambition. What does that mean exactly?

Does that mean these actions have been taken and will yield results in the next two years? How much of this is visible in the P&L today?

If you could help me understand that, I'm not 100% clear on that. Thank you.

Mate Nemes

Giorgio Pradelli

Maybe I take the first question on the hirings, which is on page 14. As you know, this is not a target for us.

I mentioned earlier that we try on many aspects of our business to focus more on quality than quantity. We always focus on the quality of the talent that we can hire.

It is fair to say that the first half was not bad with 39 that were hired in the period. It is quite plausible that we will be within the range, if not at the top end of the range, for the full year.

Now, what we can predict on the second half, obviously we have 33 that have signed and have been approved, so they should start. We continue to have, I would say, a good pipeline.

We have the same, I would say, consistent process in hiring talent as we have on the pipeline for NNA, and the pipeline is good of talent. I think that EFG, in the last years, has improved its positioning among professionals, and we see more A teams that want to join us.

This is very important regarding geographies. I think this was the second part of your question.

We see interest across the board. There are more areas where maybe it's always a pull and push, so there are certain situations when there is a bit of a push, and then it's easier to recruit.

In general, it's across the geographies. There is not a specific area where we are doing very well, and another area where we're not recruiting at all.

We are quite pleased, and as you have seen in the previous page, also the delivery of the new CROs is good. To close, I think we're going to be in the range, most probably the top end, and it could be higher than the 70.

Giorgio Pradelli

Dimitris Politis

Moving on to your other two questions, Mate, on margin and costs. Look, I don't see the exit margin being very different from the average margin of the first six months.

I'll tell you why. We have a balance sheet that adjusts very quickly to interest rate changes.

The last cut happened back in 2025 on the dollar. It was December 25, if I'm not mistaken.

By the time you reach end of January, this has already been incorporated in the P&L. We don't see a tail from the interest rates cut still hitting us.

Otherwise, the commission margin has been fairly stable. Maybe January was a better month than others, but one month out of six, that doesn't really make a big difference.

I would say that overall, the gross margin, excluding life insurance, have been fairly stable. Now, on the cost side, actually, if you turn to page 18 on the presentation, you'll see that we incorporated there some information about our Simplicity program.

The target of CHF 70 million-CHF 80 million is the run rate of efficiency and cost benefits that we will get by the end of 2028. You'll see that we expect CHF 15 million-CHF 20 million delivered in 2026, which means that in the first half of this year, we probably have something like CHF 7 million, CHF 8 million already included in our P&L because we have delivered that amount.

What we are doing now is we are adding more actions to that list. We expect that by year-end, we should have a very decent set of actions that probably comes very close to achieving the CHF 70 million-CHF 80 million of efficiency gains.

These actions will happen in 2026, in 2027, and in 2028. It's a continuous execution program.

By the way, the nature of these programs is that they need to be continuous because whatever you think today, you'll manage to fully describe and design by tomorrow, and you will execute three days, well, three semesters after. It needs to be a continuous generation of ideas and a continuous effort to be cost-efficient.

Andreas?

Dimitris Politis

Andreas Venditti

Thank you. Andreas Venditti, Vontobel.

Maybe if I look at the net new asset generation, maybe you could comment on the topic of leverage. Have you seen releveraging?

I've seen that Lombard loans went up. Maybe you can comment on that.

Also on new CROs, can you maybe update us on how you see the success rate of people and business case? In terms of the acquisitions, thank you for the disclosure in terms of the cost side.

Maybe you can spend a few words on the revenue side as well, given that you mentioned the negative impact on the cost-income ratio. Also in terms of your expectation for the contribution from the second half of next year, how should we think about that?

Finally, on litigation, I don't think you have really an update, but maybe you can provide some information on the timeline and how you see that. Thank you.

Andreas Venditti

Giorgio Pradelli

I can take the first on the NNA and about leverage. To be fair, yes, there has been an increase.

I would say what we have seen in previous years in terms of deleveraging, I would say has stopped. It's not that we are seeing a lot of leveraging yet, despite the fact that I was expecting actually more because now the curves are becoming positively sloped and across obviously currencies, and this should increase the carry trades.

We have not seen that in a significant way. I'm looking at the Chief Risk Officer to get the confirmation.

To be fair, for example, as you know, we are in London. In London, we had a business that was real estate financing.

For us, out of the real estate financing, that is, I would say, half of the book. There, we see that the conditions remain depressed and actually, it's on the contrary.

There, if it is good, we are positive. Otherwise, we are in decline.

All in all, we have stopped a big deleveraging of the years 2020 to 2022, 2023, and we are releveraging a bit, but it's relatively modest, I would say.

Giorgio Pradelli

Dimitris Politis

A small technical point. In the figure that you see us publish, clearly you have a benefit from currencies.

The currency effect is also adding to the nominal amount that you see as the increase.

Dimitris Politis

Giorgio Pradelli

Regarding the CROs, I think the question was how they deliver. With this, with Dimitris, we have always a debate in terms of how we can predict the model.

In this, Dimitris is more bullish than I am, and usually he's right. By and large, I would say that when you hire, despite the fact that we always ask the candidates to do due diligence on us to be sure that they can deliver the services and the products for their clients, and obviously we do a lot of due diligence on them, on average, about a third does not make it.

Regarding the people that make it, I would say that there, and this is where Dimitris is right, in the last years, actually, the performance has been improving. There, the delivery is obviously the business case.

For every new hire, we get a business case, which is quite detailed. It is over three years.

It is simple, but quite comprehensive. There I would say the delivery has been, over the last years, between 70% and 80% of the business case.

You might say that the business case is usually a bit ambitious. Obviously, if you are starting a new venture, you want to be ambitious, which is actually good because my expectation is usually 50%.

His expectation is higher. I think

Giorgio Pradelli

Dimitris Politis

I am at 60%. The bid ask is 50%-60%.

Dimitris Politis

Giorgio Pradelli

They have been better than both of us. Usually we see between the last years, 70%-80%.

The quality, it has improved. If I compare to five years ago or earlier, it has improved.

Acquisitions contribution?

Giorgio Pradelli

Dimitris Politis

Sure. In terms of the contribution of the acquisitions at this point in the first half, you're talking about single-digit Swiss million P&L contribution.

I think what's important is that because we're still carrying some restructuring costs, in terms of cost to income, the contribution of the acquisition is roughly speaking at around 85% or 85%+. It is a drag on the cost to income.

Actually, if we have not done the acquisitions, our cost to income would've been significantly better in the first half. Clearly, as we add more product availability to these new acquisitions, as they have the opportunity to use our balance sheet because they were all small banks that had small balance sheets, and they couldn't give credits.

All these things will clearly increase revenues. At the same time, we expect that in the first half of 2027, we'll be able to have the full IT integration.

A lot of these banks use third-party systems. They don't have their own core system.

They're outsourced, and we will take over that outsourcing, clearly at a very small fraction of the cost that they're paying today, because for us, it's really marginal in terms of additional cost. Through that, we will also create more.

In the end of the day, I expect that the cost to income of the acquisitions is going to be better than what we have on average. Incrementally, there would be a positive influence to our financial performance.

You had a question on litigations where we have nothing to update. Compared to what we told you back in February, there is no more new information.

Dimitris Politis

Jens Brueckner

Great. If we can have the first question from the telephone, please.

Thank you.

Jens Brueckner

Operator

The first question from the phone comes from the line of Nicholas Herman from Citi. Please go ahead.

Operator

Nicholas Herman

Yes, good morning, gents. Can you hear me okay?

Nicholas Herman

Jens Brueckner

Very clear.

Jens Brueckner

Giorgio Pradelli

Yes, Nick. Good morning.

Giorgio Pradelli

Nicholas Herman

Very good. Morning.

I have a few questions. I might circle back, but I'll just start with three for now, so just let me get a chance to get back in the queue after.

Just a quick follow-up. It would be helpful to the previous question if you could disclose, in future, the FX neutral loans, just so that we can get a better sense of real leverage, client leverage.

That'd be helpful. Questions were firstly on hiring, just to return to previous question.

My impression is that the competitive environment has increased, particularly in Asia. Is that something that you see as well?

If you could talk about the competitive environment for hiring. Secondly, on NNA, very strong in continental Europe and Middle East, but also in APAC.

Could I just ask if you could be any more specific on the individual markets within those regions, please? The third question I had, and I'll stop here for now, is, so you're guiding now to approximately 90 basis points revenue margin going forward.

I know that your targets are set conservatively. Is that the stable margin outlook in line with your expectations, or does that give you even greater confidence on those 2028 targets?

Thank you.

Nicholas Herman

Giorgio Pradelli

Okay. On the FX neutral loans.

Giorgio Pradelli

Dimitris Politis

That was a request by Nick for us to disclose the two. We can take it offline, and I'm happy to give some more indications in future announcements on the breakdown between how much is FX and how much is true M&A.

Dimitris Politis

Giorgio Pradelli

Just a proxy, you have on page 35, the AUM by currency.

Giorgio Pradelli

Dimitris Politis

It's not very different when it comes to.

Dimitris Politis

Giorgio Pradelli

It's not very different. Maybe.

Giorgio Pradelli

Dimitris Politis

A bit more pound.

Dimitris Politis

Giorgio Pradelli

More pound and less Australian Dollar for obvious reasons. The dollar, which is the main currency, remains about half.

Regarding the competition, I think, Nick, you're absolutely right. I believe that the competition is increasing across the board, across geographies.

You have the traditional ecosystem in Switzerland of the private banks, which is very healthy and very strong, and we are present globally. Obviously we compete both at home and abroad.

Now you see that basically all the universal banks, they have rediscovered, because it goes in waves, they have rediscovered that wealth management and international private banking is actually a good business. It's capital light, it generates a lot of capital, a lot of profitability.

You see that everybody now has new strategies to enter the market or re-enter the market, and competition is fierce sometimes. Some of the banks, for example, are extremely competitive as far as loans are concerned, and in terms of pricing, they are tough competitors.

Depending on the region, in Asia, you mentioned Asia in particular, clearly you have the local banks, and that they are very strong in private banking as well. Overall, I agree with you that the competition has increased, and this is reflecting on hiring, because obviously at the end everybody wants to grow organically.

The M&A, many people like us, we would like to grow more by M&A, but there is a limited supply of targets. This is correct, but as you can see from the figures, for the time being, we see higher competition.

We have had, to be fair, a couple of situations where we have approved the hire and then at the end, either because the company where they were at, they doubled in terms of compensation. At the end, we didn't manage to onboard them.

In general, as you saw from the numbers, we are in a pretty good shape. For the time being, we have, with the exception maybe of the Americas, which is anyway a different model with the FA model, where the cost of hiring is very expensive and has gone up.

In the rest of the world, including Asia and Europe, we have not seen this increased competition reflecting in higher cost of hiring. We are doing pretty well.

As I was saying, I think the name of EFG among professionals has significantly improved. Usually the A teams that want to move, they will talk to us, and as you see on page 14, the trends in terms of the hired people and the signed and approved, is the best over the last three semester.

Again, now the pipeline is good, but it's a tough competition. Regarding Middle East, the next question was about the flows, in particular about Middle East, continental Europe, and Asia, and the countries.

Just to give you a sense, obviously, we have a business in Dubai covering Middle East, but we cover the Middle East also from Monaco, from London, and from Switzerland. Despite the geopolitical tensions, we see that.

By the way, we have no booking center in Dubai. We have an advisory office.

The assets are booked either in Europe or in Singapore. We see that there the flows have improved from the various countries of the region.

I wouldn't highlight any specific country within the region. Luxembourg has done very well.

Monaco, they have done very well. Obviously, they are more covering European clients, and it has been, I would say, a very positive six months.

In Asia, both Hong Kong and Singapore have done well. And typically, we're not particularly different.

Hong Kong covers Greater China, which is doing very well. You know that there is the news that now Hong Kong has become bigger than Switzerland as a cross-border financial center, although the majority of the influence comes from China.

We can debate whether it is offshore or onshore. And Singapore is doing extremely well in the subcontinent, Indian subcontinent, Southeast Asia.

Again, I wouldn't highlight any specific countries. Clearly, we have teams in the locations covering all these countries.

And Oceania has been doing also well, both in Australia and in New Zealand. We are pleased with the acquisition that we have done in New Zealand, and now has been rebranded as Schroders & Partners New Zealand.

It's been very solid. And also there, we are in a positive trend in terms of hiring, because also some of the big banks have changed their strategy, so the famous pull and push, and we are hiring also on that front.

Overall, I would say it's across the board, and I wouldn't highlight any specific country or location.

Giorgio Pradelli

Dimitris Politis

On your question about margin, clearly, I will not go, again, through the different components. I think that the previous discussion gives you a gist of the moving parts.

What I would say is that this discussion about the margin clearly started some time ago, and we had, I remember, a long discussion. You were in the room back in November 2025 in terms of where the margin is going to land.

At the time, it was 95 basis points, if I remember correctly, and we gave the financial target of in excess of 85, because 85 is the average of the last 10 years. And to the question, where it's going to land, our response at the time is somewhere in the middle.

I think that we are now smack on in the middle at pretty much 90 basis point, excluding life insurance. In terms of guidance, I think that what we were telling you then, I think is what we still believe.

We don't see too many things moving, especially the interest rates, which, as Giorgio explained earlier, has been the biggest driver. But also stepping back, in the end of the day, our commitment is to deliver 15% growth in bottom line every year in the 2026 to 2028 period.

Now, margins can be higher, margins can be lower, and we need to compensate. That's the reason, and this is how we manage.

It's making sure that we manage to hit our financial targets. Clearly, if there is any move that we have to adjust to, we will do as we move along.

Dimitris Politis

Jens Brueckner

Thank you. Is there any further question in the room?

I can't see a hand. Nicholas, do you have any more since we don't have anybody in the room at the moment?

Jens Brueckner

Nicholas Herman

You hear me?

Nicholas Herman

Jens Brueckner

Yes.

Jens Brueckner

Nicholas Herman

Fantastic. Okay, sure.

Just I had a few technical questions, please, now following the bigger picture ones. Firstly on the swap margin, why did your swap margin increase versus the second half of last year when the rate differentials between the U.S.

and Swiss rates narrowed? That's the first one.

Secondly, on the fee and commission margin, I appreciate that your recurring commission margin is stable in the period, but if I look in the footnotes to your financial accounts, the margin on advisory and management fees appears to have fallen versus the last period, the second half of 2025. If you could explain that.

Then finally on capital, 2.3% organic capital generation is about 50-ish bps above what your IFRS profits would imply. Just could you clarify please what are the non-cash items resulting in the strong organic capital generation?

Finally, do you see scope for further RWA optimization from here? Thank you.

Nicholas Herman

Dimitris Politis

Let me start with the first one, which is about the swap income. The swap income, the revenues from treasury swaps increased because the volume of the swaps that we are doing has been going up.

The reason it's been going up is that we find better investment opportunities through a swap rather than maintaining the same currency. That is the reason that the swap revenue has gone up.

I couldn't hear very well your second question. I'll go straight to the third one, which is about the non-cash items.

The non-cash items that get included there is compensation in the form of the equity incentive plan that we have as a bank. The cost of that is expensed, but clearly because it is not a cash item, it gets added back when you move into your capital calculation.

You'll see that movement in the table of the capital movement that we have as part of the interim report. Happy to go through it with you if you wish.

That is the element that comes on top. Roughly speaking, that amount is about CHF 80 million, CHF 90 million a year in terms of what is the accounting impact of that, which is the non-cash item.

In terms of also your question about the optimization that we've done in risk-weighted assets, we've gone through the optimization already. There might be some more benefits possible in the future, but I think the biggest part of it has already been concluded in the first half of 2026.

I don't know if you could

Dimitris Politis

Nicholas Herman

Very helpful. Thank you, Dimitris.

Yeah, sure. On the second one, my question was on page 18, I think you've shown your recurring and overall commission margin stable.

Nicholas Herman

Dimitris Politis

Yep.

Dimitris Politis

Nicholas Herman

In the accounts, if I look at the advisory and management fees, clearly those are up. I guess not surprisingly given markets, but if I take that as a percentage of your average AuM, so effectively calculates an advisory and management fee margin, that is down sequentially.

I was wondering if you could just explain what has driven that.

Nicholas Herman

Dimitris Politis

The other element that you need to take into account is that, even within advisory mandates, you still get some brokerage fees. This is not the entirety of what we would include in the mandates.

You'd also have parts of the other lines, which is brokerage fees or commissions, income from other activities that goes into the recurring. You cannot just strip out one line and do the calculation.

You need to go into breakdowns of all the lines to make sure that you correctly allocate between what is recurring and what is not recurring.

Dimitris Politis

Nicholas Herman

Okay. Well, I guess just were there any performance-related fees in the second half of last year that might have also inflated the margin?

Nicholas Herman

Dimitris Politis

Nothing very material to affect the margin in either semester.

Dimitris Politis

Nicholas Herman

Okay.

Nicholas Herman

Giorgio Pradelli

From my perspective, you are right. At the end, if you look, especially in this half, the volume effect was more important than the margin effect.

The way I see it is an opportunity, because also if you look at the mandate penetration, we were stable at 67, and obviously we want to go towards 75. Clearly we are going to put in place all a set of actions to improve there.

I believe that going forward, we are going to, obviously, there is no guarantee on the outcomes, but our strategy is to make sure that we are going to improve both on the composition, on the mix of the assets, on the volume side and on the individual, if you wish, repricing of the various services and obviously making sure the clients pivot towards more high-yielding services and products.

Giorgio Pradelli

Nicholas Herman

That's very clear. Thank you very much, gentlemen.

Nicholas Herman

Jens Brueckner

Okay. Thank you.

If there's no further question in the room, I don't see any hands, then I hand over to Giorgio for his final comments. Thank you very much.

Jens Brueckner

Giorgio Pradelli

First of all, thank you for your attention. I believe that for us, this first semester was an important start of the new cycle.

We started with a strong momentum, and we believe that the situation is such that we are going to be able, and we are confident to meet the ambitious targets that we have set ourselves for 2028. Regarding 2026, we are going to be carried by the record AuM, and if there is less pressure, as Dimitris has mentioned on the margin, I think we are confident about the next quarters as well.

I thank you very much for the support and the attention. Thank you.