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Q3 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptNovember 5, 2026

Daniel Fairclough

Good afternoon everyone. This is Daniel Fairclough from the ArcelorMittal investor relations team.

Thank you for joining this call to discuss ArcelorMittal's performance and progress in the third quarter of 2026. Leading today's call will be our CFO, Mr.

Genuino Christino. Before we begin, I would like to mention a few housekeeping items.

As usual, we will not be going through the results presentation which was published this morning on our website. However, I do want to draw your attention to the disclaimers on slide 24 of that presentation.

Following some opening remarks from Genuino, we will move directly to the Q&A session. If you'd like to ask a question, then please do press star 1 1 on your keypad to join the queue.

With that, I will hand the call over to Genuino.

Genuino Christino

Thanks, Daniel. Welcome everyone, and thanks for joining today's call.

As usual, I will keep my remarks brief. Let me begin with safety, which remains our highest priority.

We are now approaching the end of the second year of our safety transformation. Through disciplined execution of our safety roadmaps, we are seeing more consistent performance across the group.

This is encouraging, and we remain firmly focused on our ambition of achieving zero fatalities and zero serious injuries as quickly as possible. Turning now to the business, I would like to focus on three key points.

First, our results continue to demonstrate the structural improvements in margins. Third-quarter EBITDA was $2 billion, up 34% year-on-year.

EBITDA per ton increased to $155, which is $44 higher than a year ago and well above historical averages. This demonstrates that our portfolio optimization and strategic execution are delivering results, and I believe there is significantly more to come.

Importantly, these results do not yet reflect the full benefit of the new European trade framework, which is restoring sustainability to the European steel industry. Given the length of our order book, the increases in steel prices flow through to earnings with a lag.

In addition, around 25% of our European flat product volumes remain under annual contracts that have yet to reset. This brings me to my second point.

As imports normalize, customers are increasingly looking to domestic supply, and we are responding. The TRQ framework provides the opportunity for recently idled capacity to restart, restoring employment and providing direct benefits to the local and regional economy.

During the quarter, imports of flat steel products were approximately 50% lower than a year ago. As expected, our European flat product shipments were higher in the third quarter against the second quarter, which is counter to the normal seasonal pattern.

As inventories normalize, we expect more of this reduction in imports to translate into higher domestic shipments. Our order book continues to strengthen, and we expect shipments growth to accelerate in the fourth quarter and show a double-digit year-on-year improvement.

This momentum is expected to continue to build into 2027. As customers shift back towards domestic steel supply, we will see higher, more sustainable capacity utilization.

With Dąbrowa, Asturias, and Fos back in operation, all of our European blast furnaces are now running, and we are well-placed to serve our customers reliably and efficiently. Higher utilization should support a return to healthy and sustainable levels of profitability and returns on capital across the industry.

My third and final point is that ArcelorMittal is exceptionally well-positioned to deliver higher earnings, stronger returns on capital, and continued value creation for shareholders. An increasingly regionalized steel market provides a stronger foundation for sustainable profitability throughout the cycle.

I have already talked about the significantly improved outlook for our business in Europe. Our business in India continues to perform well.

We are ramping up our higher added-value capacity. In the year to September, we presented a new shipment record.

In North America, we are seeing positive momentum across our franchise. Better import protections are a common theme, and lean inventories alongside growing demand from data centers, energy, infrastructure investment creates a positive outlook for 2027.

Against this improved backdrop, ArcelorMittal is well-positioned to succeed. Our scale, our leadership positions in key markets, and our strong track record of product and process innovation will continue to set us apart from the competition.

We are proud of the entrepreneurial culture, which promotes accountability and a relentless focus on continuous improvement. The more supportive industry structure gives us an even greater opportunity to convert these advantages into higher earnings and stronger returns.

Over the past four years, we have invested consistently in high-return strategic growth projects that are increasing our earnings capacity. Importantly, many of these projects have not yet reached their full potential, providing a further source of earnings growth as we move into 2027 and beyond.

The value created through these investments is further enhanced by our buyback program. This has been a powerful driver of shareholder value, and given the positive outlook for free cash flow this year and beyond, I expect this to continue.

With that, Daniel, I believe we can start the Q&A.

Daniel Fairclough

Great. Thank you, Genuino.

We have quite a long list of questions to get through, but we'll start with a question from Alain at Morgan Stanley. Hi, Alain.

Hi. Thank you for taking my question.

Two questions from my side. I'll start with the first one, which is the usual one if you don't mind discussing the profit bridge into Q4, and specifically around Europe, where we are seeing many moving parts including shipment growth, spot prices moving higher, but also elevated or sticky energy costs.

Perhaps the same question applies to the other divisions as well. If you don't mind starting with the bridge.

Thank you.

Genuino Christino

Daniel?

Daniel Fairclough

Sure. Thank you, Genuino.

Thanks, Alain. Looking at the major components, the building blocks, the major themes into the fourth quarter, I think it's clear from Genuino's comments and the release that we expect higher volumes in the fourth quarter.

That's a common theme, but in particular, we would expect that from Europe, where we've guided to flat volumes being accelerating in the fourth quarter and increasing year-on-year at a double-digit rate. Second component would be generally higher steel prices across the segments.

The Brazil perhaps a slight exception to that, just given mix effects, so that's probably going to be a little bit more stable quarter-to-quarter. A third bucket or theme would be higher costs.

You talk about that in your question, the way you posed it, but I think everybody can appreciate the evolving cost dynamics, particularly in Europe, as energy prices have continued to evolve through the quarter. We'll have to see how energy prices continue over the next six weeks or so, it's difficult to be specific there on the guidance, but that will clearly be a theme.

The last component would be mining. We've guided to a stronger quarter to end the year from our mining segment given the continued progress at Liberia and our expectation that that should be operating at capacity in the fourth quarter.

It should be a good quarter from a shipment standpoint. Then, it's difficult to be specific on the iron ore and freight factors, but I'm sure you can accommodate that in your expectations as they become apparent.

Then I think just my final comment would be on free cash flow. If you look at our release, if you look at the presentation, we are expecting a good free cash flow performance in the fourth quarter, and that will be, in substantial part, driven by an expected seasonal release of working capital.

Thank you, Daniel. Thank you.

My second question is, if we stay with Europe, into 2027, you talked about the annual contract resets. Do you mind reminding us how many tons will be up for repricing on the 1st of Jan, and how quickly this will feed through your ASP?

Then in Europe as well, in your presentation, you talk quite extensively about the benefits of the TRQ framework, which hasn't fully yet fed through your profits and margins. What do you expect to see as we head into early 2027 that will drive the margin upside for your European division?

Thank you.

Genuino Christino

Okay. Thank you, Alain.

Let me take your second question. I think it's important to say that Q3 of course was the first quarter in which we could see the benefits of the new framework.

We are of course very very happy with what we have seen. As we were guiding at the time of quarter two, we see higher shipments in flat despite seasonality and despite the fact that we were going through a destock during the quarter.

It's really working as initially designed, which should then allow us to bring back the capacity that I also talked about at the beginning in my opening remarks. We will really see the full benefits of the new framework of course in 2027, Alain.

Also what it does, and we believe it should really be extremely helpful, it allows the industry now to pass on higher costs, right? We are seeing now, we were in a positive trend in terms of recovering our margins.

Of course, we were hit by higher energy costs, but we are in the process of recovering that. When I look at the pricing guidelines that we have already for January, I'm sure you have seen it, it's already significantly higher than what you see at the moment coming from Index.

That's all very positive, and we're going to be working through the destocking. Our expectation is that destocking should largely end in Q4.

When I look at the business and the moving parts, I think we can be very optimistic for 2027.

Daniel Fairclough

Thanks, Genuino. Then just coming to your question on contracts, Alain.

I think in our release, in the presentation, you can see and you already know that 25% of, or approximately 25% of our flat volumes in Europe are annual contract. That's predominantly with the automotive customers.

The significant majority of those contracts follow the calendar year. Significant majority of that 25% of our flat volumes is set to reprice as we start 2027, which is another significant component of your positive bridge, I think, into the first quarter and for 2027 as a whole.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Daniel Fairclough

Great, thanks Alain. We'll move now to take a question from Reinhart at Bank of America.

Hi, Reinhart.

Afternoon, Genuino and Daniel. Thank you very much for the time.

Just want to ask about the European furnace restart so far. Can you give us an update on where exactly they are in their ramp-up process and when you think they're going to hit steady-state production?

I guess related to that, it would be good to get your thoughts on when you think there will be enough demand in Europe for you to actually start bringing some slabs in perhaps.

Genuino Christino

Reinhart. Sure.

We are bringing capacity as we see demand, right? I think that's number one, I would say.

We are not bringing capacity unless of course we can see that in our order books. That's why we feel confident to bring back the capacity, because we are seeing order books strengthening.

In terms of the ramp-ups, as it's not easy to bring back capacity, especially when the furnaces have been idled for some time, which was clearly the case here. Poland, we are now up and running since the end of September.

We have basically completed the ramp-up. The furnace is running well.

Fos, we are still going through the ramp-up phase, not yet where we want it to be, but progressing there. In Spain, we are up and running.

Two out of three furnaces are running well, and Fos is still in the process of ramp-up.

Got it. That's clear.

A comment on slabs if you can?

Genuino Christino

Sorry, what was your question on the slabs, Reinhart?

When you expect demand to be sufficient in Europe for it to make sense for you to bring in slabs into the continent?

Genuino Christino

Look, this is something that of course remains a possibility for us. Our focus right now, Reinhart, is to ramp up our capacity domestically, right, so that we can utilize our existing furnaces and tools that we have here.

Of course we have that flexibility. We know already what is the potential for higher volumes next year just because of the TRQ and lower imports that we expect to materialize.

We want to see the full benefits in 2027, right? Of course we believe that we will have the capacity domestically to take care of that.

As a group, we have optionality, we have flexibility.

That's very clear. Thank you.

Maybe just one more question on developments into 4Q. You've previously called out that some of this new capacity does have higher carbon costs associated with it.

As you're building volumes into the fourth quarter, how should we think about improved fixed cost absorption and EBITDA per ton from that volume increase?

Genuino Christino

Yeah. Our message is the same, Reinhart.

Yes, so as we bring back capacity, that there will be more CO2 costs. Fixed costs, we shouldn't be really adding much in terms of fixed costs.

Profitability of this volume should be at least at par with the existing business, if not a little bit better.

Very clear. Thank you very much, Genuino and Daniel.

Daniel Fairclough

Great, thanks Reinhart. We'll move now to take a question from Tristan at BNP Paribas.

Hi, Tristan. How are you?

Yes, hi. Thank you for taking my questions.

I have two. The first one is on Europe.

One of your peer said that the shutdown of Ilva would be a game-changer for the market. Do you share that view?

Do you see a scenario where Southern European prices would trade at a premium to Northern prices? Does that mean, ultimately, that there could be upside risk to the market share gains you initially contemplated?

That would be my first question.

Genuino Christino

Tristan. Look, we all know in which levels ADI was running at, right?

We all know. It was not running at very high levels.

As a company, we feel we are in a good position here to service that market. As we have restarted Fos, the second furnace in Fos, which is South.

We restarted also a furnace in Spain. It places us in a very good position to supply the market in South.

Where prices finally settle in South, historically, as we know, prices were always at a discount to North because of the more exposed to imports, which, as we know, now is being corrected by TRQ. We'll see where prices finally settle.

I wouldn't expect that to trade at a significant premium, but it will depend on trade and other aspects. Again, I think for us, it's a good opportunity to service that market from our facilities in the South.

Daniel Fairclough

Just to round out that comment. I think as we look out there, I wouldn't say Ilva is going to have a significant impact, just reinforcing Genuino's comment that they've been operating at very, very low levels.

If they drop down a little bit further, I don't think it's really going to change that supply-demand balance notably. I wouldn't expect any significant or material impact on the market.

All right. That's very clear.

My second question is on North America. Could you discuss a little bit the strike impact in Canada, and also what happened in Mexico?

Is there anything structural at play given it's been a couple quarters with some hiccups? How much of those, if you could quantify those one-offs, and how much you'd expect to get back into Q4, that'd be great.

Thank you.

Genuino Christino

Sure, Tristan. We had two events in North America.

One was a strike in our Longs division in Canada that has been addressed. The facility is up and running since the beginning of the quarter, there shouldn't be any further impact from the strike.

Back to normal levels. In Mexico, we had reliability issues with our DRI facility, which has also been addressed.

I would expect us to be running at normal capacity in quarter four, Tristan.

The negative impact, could you quantify it?

Genuino Christino

We are talking about in Q3, the losses, I would say in the range of 150 kt.

All right. Thank you.

Daniel Fairclough

Great, thanks Tristan. We'll move now to take a question from Ephrem at Citi.

Hi, Ephrem. Hi.

Thanks, Daniel. Two questions, I'll just take them in turn.

First, I'm just trying to gauge how conservative your guidance for double-digit year-on-year growth in flat products shipments in Europe is for Q4. Very rough math, you did about 6.5 million tons in total last year in Europe, 70% assumed that is flat.

A 10% implies somewhere around a 450,000 tons increase year-on-year for Q4 2026. If imports are coming down by 2.5, 3 million tons per quarter, and you maintain your market share of about 30%, you should be expecting about 700 to 800 or 900,000 tons increase, it's almost a 20% increase in shipments unless volumes have gone down or you are losing market share.

Would that be a right math, or please point me where I'm wrong in terms of the amount of volume increase in flats you could expect?

Genuino Christino

I think you've got all the moving parts right. I think the only one that I would also point to you, and as we discussed before as well, is so we are still going through what we believe is a destock in Europe, which, as I said, should normalize now during the quarter in Q4, which then should of course help us as we start 2027.

I think that's the only missing piece that I would point to you. Daniel, anything else here you want to highlight?

Daniel Fairclough

No, Genuino. It's a good question, Ephrem, and thanks for putting it forward, because as Genuino says, you're picking up the moving parts there, and because inventories are really providing a cushion over the second-half period as we transition into this new mechanism.

We saw the reduction in imports in Q3. We expect to see that similar reduction in imports in Q4, but because inventories are being consumed through that period, it's not fully translating yet into our shipments, into our volumes.

As soon as those inventories are consumed, as soon as they're at normal levels, and as Genuino said in an earlier response, we expect that by the end of the year, then all of that will be translating into our shipments and our production. We're ready for that.

We're primed for that. We're going to see progress and evidence of it in Q4, but then that momentum is going to continue.

It's going to provide a good foundation for the bridge into Q1 and 2027 as a whole as well.

Thank you. Sorry, my second question is on India and Hazira.

Obviously now you're saying a ramp-up in or start in 2027, which was obviously planned a little bit earlier. Should we kind of realistically expect any shipments from the incremental new capacity in '27, or is it really a '28 story in terms of more volumes?

Could you kind of give us a sense as to where we are in the completion of construction process and ramp-up process in terms of the incremental 6 million capacity there?

Genuino Christino

Sure. I can maybe comment on that.

As we have already commissioned the downstream, the new cold mill, automotive lines for the finishing. We are testing now the new coke oven batteries.

We are making good progress now with the upstream, the furnaces, and we do expect to see already in 2027 higher volumes coming from the project. Our expectation is that in the first half of 2027, we will start to see already some action there.

We will of course provide you guys with some more guidance on that as part of our Q4 results, but we should definitely see already some improvements in 2027, especially in the second half.

Thank you.

Daniel Fairclough

Thanks, Ephrem. We're going to move now to take a question from Timna at Wells Fargo.

Hi, Timna.

Hey, good afternoon. I wanted to switch gears to the Americas, if I could, and beginning with Brazil.

The investments you're making there are pretty notable. How do you stay comfortable with the outlook there given smaller trade protections, the recent election, and at least one of your other competitors that was sounding a bit more cautious than you are?

If you could elaborate on the Brazil strategy, please.

Genuino Christino

Timna, to be honest, I could not hear well the question. Have you heard it?

Daniel Fairclough

Yes, I have, perhaps I can start, Genuino, and I'm sure you will complement. It was basically, Timna was asking around the outlook for Brazil given the election results, what our plans are for investments there, would we reconsider them given the election outcome, given the relative lack of trade protection, and noting that one of the competitors, I think on the long side of things, was giving a more somber outlook for the market.

Genuino Christino

Yeah. Okay.

No, thank you. Great.

Look, I think we have to differentiate then between Longs and Flat in Brazil. When we look at the Flat business, we do believe that, at least for steel, we have already good levels of trade protection.

We had recently anti-dumping on cold roll, galv, painted, which is of course a significant part of what we produce locally. We have seen imports coming down to normal levels.

They were quite high in 2025, coming down now to more normalized levels. We have more to come, we have anti-dumping now also coming on HRC against China.

We feel that the government has taken steps to support the business on the flat side. In Longs, we also have some protection, maybe not as much as we would like to see, and we continue to engage with the government.

Where you see us investing right now in Brazil is in the flat side of the business with more downstream, which is because we're short. It's important exactly there.

We feel that it will make a lot of sense for us to convert exports into more domestic volume. That's exactly what we are trying to do.

Thanks. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

I was referring to a flat-rolled producer, but your results in Brazil were quite strong, maybe a different perspective. Switching gears, if I could, to the North American market.

You also have some repricing, I would assume, there, would like to hear on the repricing and the perhaps benefit from any lower CRU discounts we've been hearing about. Then on the Calvert performance, been hearing some challenges maybe on the ramp-up there.

What could that look like when fully optimized, I guess?

Genuino Christino

Yeah. We continue to make progress with the ramp-up in Calvert, Timna.

Of course, to be honest, it's moving a little bit slower than what we were expecting, but our expectation is to exit here at a very good run rate. As with this furnace, we expect to produce very demanding steel for many applications, exposed automotive, but it's progressing.

It should provide good support for 2027 because of course each ton that we can produce locally, it's 1 ton of slab that we're not going to need to pay tariffs. It should really support the business and profitability in North America in 2027.

I'm sorry, your line, for me at least, is not great, I think the first part of the question was linked to auto contracts, when it resets? Daniel, was

Daniel Fairclough

Just to pricing dynamics and whether

Genuino Christino

Yeah,

Daniel Fairclough

discounts to index, etc., whether that's evolving.

Genuino Christino

Yeah. Look, as we know, prices in North America, they are strong.

The supply-demand is strong. We are seeing tightness in the market.

What is also very positive for us specifically is the fact that we also see similar dynamics in Canada and in Mexico as well. We should not forget that we are a North American operations business.

Which at the beginning of the year, we were seeing larger discounts in Canada and in Mexico to CRU, and now we are kind of back to normal levels of normal parity that we were used to see before the new Section 232 and tariffs against Canada and Mexico. Daniel, please

If I could

Genuino Christino

Go ahead, Timna.

Oh, I was going to say if I could sneak one last in, of course, on Dofasco, any thoughts on potential benefit from carve-out or any insights you might have there on the trade negotiations?

Genuino Christino

I think we're going to need to wait and see what is agreed. I cannot really comment much on that.

We will have to wait for the final outcome of the negotiations. What I can say though is that we are doing well in Canada.

Our business is going well. We adapted as much as we could, of course, supported also by trade measures from the Canadian government.

We see lower levels of imports, as I said, supporting then prices and demand for our facilities. We are doing well.

Given where prices are right now, we give us also a good level of confidence that 2027, again, should be significantly better.

Great. Thanks again.

Daniel Fairclough

Great, thanks Timna. We'll take the next question from Boris at Shore Capital.

Hi, Boris. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thank you for taking my questions.

I have two ones. The first, let's say stay in the US, but now that the Trump administration has been defeated in the midterms, do you see a potential impact on Section 232 tariffs, or do you believe things will stay exactly the same?

That's the first question. The second, on slide 22, you mentioned the increasingly supportive regulation in Europe for the industry.

What is the main support you see among those measures that would come on top of the TRQ, and when do you expect them to have their first impact? Thank you.

Genuino Christino

Daniel, do you want to take that one?

Daniel Fairclough

Yeah. Thanks, Genuino.

Thanks, Boris, for picking this one out from the appendix. It is an important slide, and what we're showing on slide 22 is that the trade and policy environment in Europe does continue to evolve.

We're all very pleased to be seeing the impact of CBAM from the beginning of the year, and we've talked a lot about the new tariff-rate quota mechanism kicking in 1st of July and starting to see the effects of this building as we're moving through the second half of the year. We do believe there's more to come.

The policy is evolving. It's now moving downstream.

I think CBAM and the TRQ is going to be important there. In terms of CBAM moving downstream to capture sensitive goods, that's going to be very important.

That's something that we're expecting to hear that from relatively soon what the outcome of the trilogue discussions there. Maybe end of this year, early next year, we should see some news on that.

I think moving downstream, capturing the derivative products, that's very, very important. Then in terms of the evolution of the tariff-rate quota tool, we've had a question earlier around slab.

Slab imports on a near-term basis, not necessarily something to be concerned about. On a medium-term basis, that is certainly something that we would be concerned about, that the scenario where primary steelmaking capacity in Europe gets replaced by imported slab.

That's clearly very counter to the intentions of the tariff-rate quota mechanism or to restore the industry to health, to bring idle capacity back into operation, to have all of the jobs and local economy support that then will sustain. Slabs on a medium-term basis could put that at risk.

It's very natural that the tariff-rate quota should also capture those slabs. That's something that we're expecting to hear about at the next opportunity, which would be actually the middle of next year, the review then.

Hopefully, that's clear.

Genuino Christino

Yeah. Maybe I think there was also a question on Section 232 in US.

Let me take this one, Boris. Maybe a few comments from us.

I believe we have to acknowledge, right, that Section 232 has been a very effective policy in addressing the impacts of global excess capacity and unfair trade. We believe that this remains pretty much the direction of travel, not only in US, but in our core markets.

Steel is strategic. It's vital to resilient domestic supply chains.

It needs appropriate protection, we believe. We have seen US policy work well in reducing imports, promoting investments.

We have seen of course a number of investments in place. We know that Section 232 was also supported by the Democrats before.

Our expectation is that Section 232 will remain. We will of course see, but our expectation is that it remains.

Thank you very much.

Daniel Fairclough

Super. Thanks, Boris.

We'll move now to take a question from Max at Oddo. Hi, Max.

Good afternoon, gents. First question is on Europe and really zooming in on the long product segment.

It seems to be considerably weighing on your operations there. It's working on EAF, I guess it's very much concerned by the higher electricity costs.

It doesn't seem to be as impacted by a TRQ system as the flat products. Construction is a main market, also there depressed.

Do you see some prospects for this business to earn its cost of capital? If not, what's the future of this business within ArcelorMittal?

Genuino Christino

Sure, Max. Let me take this one.

We like our Longs business. It's a franchise business, and we have high-quality products that are very important, and just as an example, rails, heavy beams that we are exporting to different parts of the world at very good levels of prices.

It's, as over the years, we have disposed parts of the business that we felt we would not be competitive, pure commodity business. The business that we retain is a high-quality business.

What you see really in Q3, and I think the dynamics that we are seeing, they are very much similar to what we talked about for flat. We saw also imports fall for Longs, a significant reduction of imports, but at the same time, that was offset by the destocking that we also talked about in the case of flat.

Which that should also normalize, right? The same dynamics in terms of prices moving up to cover for the higher energy costs is happening.

I would expect the same dynamics that we talked about to impact our Longs business as well.

Yeah. The second and last question is on Ukraine.

Can you perhaps quantify the residual cost associated with these operations, now that they are run under called idle format? More generally, production has come to a halt in Ukraine, all other facilities have also stopped.

Do you see any impact on the European market, also perhaps on the world iron ore market given that Ukraine was a significant producer?

Genuino Christino

This is all of course with very sad with the developments in Ukraine. As we speak, we are idling the facility.

As we have guided, going forward, from a cash flow point of view, our expectation is that it will be very limited needs to supply cash. We're going to be liquidating, of course, the existing inventories that we have, so that will take care of the needs of the facility for an extended period of time.

Then after that, our expectation is that we're talking about a minimal amount just to keep the security of the site. It should be a low numbers, just to keep the optionality here for the future.

In terms of wider impact on the European market? Was it

Genuino Christino

Look, as we know, the capacity in Ukraine was already significantly impacted, right? They have also quota.

I wouldn't expect, to be honest, to see a significant impact on European market. We were ourselves, we were not really exporting through to Europe.

I don't expect any significant impact.

No, that's clear.

Daniel Fairclough

Great. Thanks, Max.

We'll take the next question from Andy at UBS. Hi, Andy.

Hi, Daniel. Thanks, Genuino.

I just wanted to ask about the demand support factors in Europe with regards to the Hello? Can you hear me?

Daniel Fairclough

You're breaking up quite a bit there, actually, Andy. Can you start your question again?

Sorry. Is this clearer?

Daniel Fairclough

Hopefully, yes.

Cool. I was just going to ask about the demand situation.

What are you seeing in terms of your end markets in terms of demand evolution after the sort of summer lull? Has demand recovered as you would have expected?

Has it been softer? Any impact from obviously the higher interest rate environment and energy costs, are you seeing that in your order book?

Or are we making too much of that given the headlines we see?

Genuino Christino

Andy, the real demand in Europe, what we see is it's relatively stable. I don't see, to be honest, change to what we were seeing before.

What is clear, what the dynamics that we see, real demand relatively flat, we see automotive resilient. What we are seeing really is the destock, right, that we talked about.

That of course had an impact on the apparent steel consumption in Europe in quarter three. It should continue to be the case in Q4, not to the same extent, less.

Then after that, our expectation is that it normalize. Inventory normalizes, that which, again, leaves us in a good place to start 2027.

As we know, I'm sure you have seen PMIs in Europe are at expansionary levels. Clearly, the energy story doesn't help, right, but so far, I cannot really say that it has had a significant impact in the order books.

The books are strong. We are fully booked for quarter four.

Taking orders now really for next year.

Perfect.

Daniel Fairclough

Just to make sure, Andy, you're appropriately sort of noting the specific comments that we've given this quarter, and also for the fourth quarter, that we did see counter-seasonal progress in Q3. The momentum is building.

The shipment growth is accelerating, we expect stronger shipments again in Q4. Ephrem was pointing that out on a year-on-year basis, that should be double digits.

There's good potential beyond that as the inventories normalize, and then all of that reduction in imports will be being seen in our production and shipments.

That's clear. Just on I guess a follow-up to Ephrem's question, if you take Fos plus Poland and the Spanish blast furnaces, between all of those, it should probably be about 5 million tons of pig iron or more.

On a quarterly basis, I'd expect that to be lifting shipments by at least a million tons on a normalized basis compared to what you were doing in the first half, which would put you above 8 million tons a quarter. Once we get through this destocking period, which is obviously weighing on 4Q and the negative sort of seasonality, do you expect shipments to be running at 8.1, 8.2 million tons a quarter by the time we're in the first half of '27?

Genuino Christino

I think, Andy, we all know the math, right? We talked about what we expect in terms of decline in imports.

That number is not changing, right? I think what is to be seen is how the real demand in 2027, right?

To the extent that we are destocking now, you could also imagine that at some point in 2027, we may also see some restocking, right? Then we will have to see and wait.

We are not yet providing guidance in terms of apparent steel consumption for 2027. If you just look at the World Steel Association, they came out with their forecast.

They have 2% to 3% increase for Europe next year, which if it materialize, of course, comes on top, right, of the lower imports that we are expecting, that is all very positive.

Okay. Thanks very much.

Daniel Fairclough

Thanks, Andy. We'll move now to take a question from Bastian at Deutsche Bank.

Hi, Bastian.

Thanks, gents. All of my questions have been answered.

Daniel Fairclough

No problem. Thanks, Bastian.

We'll move now to take a question from Cole at Jefferies. Hi, Cole.

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question.

Just some clarifications on the slide on the other division. Are you giving any quantification of kind of an estimated EBITDA progression into the fourth quarter?

Then on North America, you talked about the positives into 2027 of higher for longer prices, potential upside from realization of the tariffs. If I focus specifically on the slab imports into the US, is there any kind of cost element that we should be thinking about in the US as you kind of roll over contracts with Cliff?

Genuino Christino

Maybe first on segment others, Cole. Typically what we guide for segment others is an expense of about $200 million for the year, right?

About $50 million per quarter. This quarter in particular, it's positive, slightly positive, because we have a significant release of intercompany profits.

Volumes from our mining division that sits in Europe, as and when the profitability of this tons comes down and iron ore volumes comes down also in Europe, then that gets released, and that's what you see this quarter. Also an improvement in the results in South Africa, right?

That's why it's positive this quarter, slightly positive. Everything being normal, it should be about $50 million or so negative.

In North America specifically for Calvert, so as our contract with Cliffs has already expired. We have replaced that proportionally with another contract with US Steel that is in place, and it will continue to be in place for some more years.

Then the opportunity for us there, as I said at the beginning, is the ramp-up of the electric arc furnace so that we can reduce the amount of slabs that we import. That's the focus.

That's what everybody's trying to achieve, to get the furnace up and running as per nameplate capacity as soon as possible.

Thanks for the clarification.

Daniel Fairclough

Great, thanks Cole. I think we are going to take a question now from Matt at Goldman Sachs.

Hi, Matt.

Hi, Daniel. Hi.

Just one question from me, just I think maybe more clarification. Your raw materials basket on slide 8, it's gone up by sort of €40 a ton since August.

Can you just help me reconcile what's driving that, because coal prices have increased, but iron ores come off. Is there something else happening there around the restocking for those furnaces, but you don't yet have the volumes to divide that by?

Can you just help me sort of think about how that raw material basket could move if we start to see coal prices ease?

Genuino Christino

I believe that what we have in this slide is coal, iron ore, and scrap, right? So

Daniel Fairclough

Exactly. It's just a very sort of simplified view of the raw material basket excluding energy, alloys, etc.

Like you said, Genuino, just the key components and the input factors for scrap, iron ore, and met coal.

Okay. Does that also

Daniel Fairclough

No lags or anything. It's just the spot evolution.

All right. Okay.

Does this also include the freight of getting those raw materials to Europe? Was that excluded out?

Daniel Fairclough

No, it's just the simplified basket.

Okay. All right.

Thank you.

Daniel Fairclough

Good stuff. Thanks, Matt.

We'll take a question now from Dominic at J.P. Morgan.

Hi, hello. Just two quick follow-up questions from me.

Just for avoidance of doubt, when we think about NAFTA for Q4, we should be expecting slightly higher shipments? Specifically, I just wanted to know whether Calvert would be seeing any downtime or maintenance aligned with the usual seasonal slowdown for NAFTA.

My second question is obviously just given the normal seasonality of the working capital unwind and as we start to think about deleveraging, how should we think about capital allocation for Q4? Is the shareholder distribution still just simply within the traditional guardrails of the ordinary dividend and the ordinary free cash flow guidance?

How you think about capital availability as we move deeper into Q4?

Genuino Christino

Yeah. Maybe first in US, North America business.

We talked about some of the impacts we faced in quarter three in terms of shipments in our Longs business in Canada and in Mexico, so that is not repeating. At the same time, we do have seasonality, as you pointed out, and we will continue to see that.

All in all, I would expect our shipments in North America to be flat. We will of course have a recovery of the two events that I talked about, but at the same time, we will have normal seasonality and maintenance that will happen.

Our expectation is for shipments should be flat. Coming out to the other questions, working capital, as we have been guiding, we do expect the large majority of the investment up to now to reverse, following normal seasonality of our working capital, that of course will provide strong support to free cash flow generation.

It will allow the debt to come down. When it comes to capital allocation, we will continue to apply the policy.

What I would say though is that based on everything that we just talked about, the good prospects for the business going forward in 2027, we believe that there is, of course, it's an opportunity for us to perhaps deploy more than the 50% that the policy would call for, right? It is something that we will definitely be discussing very seriously.

Is and is that something that you can do outside of Well, can you do you need an EGM approval to to do that type of distribution, or can you do it do could you do it within your existing authorization?

Genuino Christino

We have enough authorizations to do it. As always, when we have the AGMs in May, to the extent that we need, we will get extra approval.

We have plenty of flexibility.

Super. Thank you.

Daniel Fairclough

Thanks, Dominic. We do have maybe one more minute to take a follow-up question from Tristan at BNP Paribas, and then I'm going to hand back to Genuino for closing remarks.

Tristan, last question.

Thank you. Just a quick one on Liberia, if we can calibrate a bit better the volume uptick in Q4, if you can tell us how much volume you shipped in the 9-month from Liberia, and any comment on the cost outlook, if you think it's going to be relatively steady quarter-on-quarter?

Genuino Christino

Up to now, 9 months, we shipped about 10, 10.5 10.5 million tons. As we are guiding now for 16.

What I would say it's important here just to keep in mind is that, in Q4, our expectation is to be, for the first quarter, to be able to run at capacity, right? As it's a 20-million-ton project.

We are ramping up the concentrator lines. We see already the capacity in rail, in port to get to the 20 million in 2027, which is good.

We're also taking steps to prevent issues as we face in quarter three in future by basically covering the stockyards at the port so that we can continue to ship even under more severe rain conditions. This is also something that we have been doing.

Of course, there is still room, as we ramp up the the project, the lines, to not only improve the mix, right, but we have a richer product, and as we increase capacity, also then costs should come down, and then it again places well for next year.

All right. That's clear.

Maybe if I squeeze one one little more, just on the two projects you plan to confirm in Q4 in Brazil, the strategic growth project, is that still going to be within the CapEx framework you discussed now for a number of years, 4.5, 5 billion, or could that change a bit, the CapEx framework?

Genuino Christino

Thank you for that. Look, as the project in Tubarão, the cold rolling mill and coated, it's a project that has been approved.

It's been executed as we speak. Orders have been placed, so that that one is progressing.

It's not yet part of the 1.8 billion in terms of EBITDA that we expect to get from the projects. We will be updating that in Q4 together with our guidance for CapEx.

At this point, I can tell you that the 4.5 to 5 billion remains a good reference for the CapEx envelope for the group going forward.

All right. Perfect.

Thank you.

Daniel Fairclough

Perhaps, Genuino, I can just add a couple of points to your response. Because I think you're saying there a no change to our CapEx spending, our rate of spend still in that 4.5 to $5 billion range.

I think we've spoken on this call about the positive outlook for EBITDA in 2027, and various elements that we can look forward to in that bridge. Then if the other components of the cash flow statement are not changing, that does bode well for free cash flow in 2027.

Then going back to the previous question around capital allocation, what are we going to do with that cash? Using that for our share buybacks given our positive outlook for the business, our view on our share price, would buying back more stock with that free cash flow going beyond the minimum 50% would seem very appropriate.

Thanks.

Daniel Fairclough

I think that's our last question, or certainly the last we have time for, Genuino, I'm going to hand back to you for any closing remarks.

Genuino Christino

Thank you, everyone. Before we close, let me briefly reflect on the key message from today's discussion.

First, our third-quarter results again demonstrate the improved earnings power of the business. Margins remain well above historical levels, and importantly, the full benefits of the new European trade framework are still to come through.

Second, we have evidence that the new TRQ mechanism is working as intended. Imports are materially lower, our shipments are increasing, and momentum is building as inventories normalize.

Third, ArcelorMittal is exceptionally well-positioned as we move into 2027. We have positive momentum across our business.

On top of the improving market backdrop, our strategic growth investments provide a further source of earnings growth as projects continue to ramp up. I leave you with this final message: I'm even more optimistic about the outlook for our business than I was three months ago.

We have a strong portfolio, improving market conditions in our key regions, meaningful embedded growth, and a disciplined capital allocation framework. Together, I'm confident in our ability to deliver high earnings, stronger returns on capital, and continued value creation for our shareholders.

With that, I will close today's call, and if you have any follow-up questions, please reach out to Daniel and his team. Thank you again for joining us.