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Q2 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptAugust 12, 2026

Linda Tierala

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Taaleri's half-year report webcast. My name is Linda Tierala, and I'm heading Investor Relations here at Taaleri.

Thank you for joining us, both of you who are joining us online and you who are here in person. Presenting today's results, we have Ilkka Laurila, our CEO, who will provide the highlights for the second quarter, and Lauri Lipsanen, our CFO, who will review the key financial developments over the quarter.

In addition, we have Ari-Pekka Määttänen, who is CEO of Fintoil, who will present Fintoil's business and strategic outlook. Following the presentations, we will have a Q&A, and that session will be in two parts.

We will begin with questions related to Fintoil and its operations, with Ari-Pekka available to answer those. After that, we will move forward with questions related to Taaleri's Q2 financials and performance, and Ilkka and Lauri will address those questions.

For those of you joining remotely, you may ask questions through the webcast platform, and you can do so at any time. Those of you joining here live may ask questions through the microphone.

With that, I'm happy to hand over to Ilkka.

Ilkka Laurila

Good morning on my behalf as well, and like usually, it's time to go through the latest operational and financial development, and this time, it's the development of the first half of 2026. Starting with the highlights.

Growth in Garantia's insurance portfolio as well as in market share continued versus year-ago, and utilization rate, especially in the rental residential mortgage guarantees, increased by more than 20% compared to year-ago period. We were also able to launch new international non-payment insurance, and been able to kind of underwrite several new contracts in that area.

Internationalization also continues in Garantia's business. Next, the net income from the investment operations was strong.

The Garantia's investment returns were extremely strong, obviously mainly supported by the good development in the equity market. Then on the other hand, revenue and operating profit in Investment segment was negative due to certain fair value changes, which we will also cover during the presentation.

In Private Asset Management, the operations proceeded according to the plan. In Renewable business, team and business focused on the active management of the funds, new investments, and so on.

Then on the other hand, we continued and progressed with the exit processes during the review period. In Real Estate, Eden Living completed several new investments.

Completion of the Nordic Science Investments also happened during the second quarter. That was obviously published during the time, and it has been consolidated now in the numbers since May.

Further, preparation for the fundraising for SolarWind IV were initiated, and as the cut of the investment activities concerning SolarWind III, the previous vintages has continued as planned earlier. Finally, we published during July that we have made a significant follow-on investment in Fintoil and participated in the financing round on that, and that's one of the indications that we will continue our active allocation of capital within our balance sheet.

If we then kind of compare these activities towards our strategic priorities for this year, starting with the Garantia's growth potential. Like said, growth in the utilization rate of the residential mortgage guarantees quite evident.

That has continued on a strong level and continue to improve. Growth in insurance service result is evident from the numbers.

Like said, we have been able to underwrite several new contracts on the international non-payment insurance market. In the Private Asset Management, completion of the Nordic Science Investments happened during the quarter, and we've also published that we are launching private credit strategy later in this year and next year, and further milestones on that we will publish later in the autumn.

Then on the direct investments and development capital, like mentioned, the follow-on investment in Fintoil was quite significant, although happened after the review period during the July, and we also published that we will have a smaller follow-on investment on the Ren-Gas, the kind of the investments which was published at the end of last year. Then couple of words of the Nordic Science Investments in a nutshell.

We acquired 51% of the management company. Nordic Science Investments is a Nordic venture capital manager focusing on early stage investments in science-based technologies, mostly in university spin-outs.

The strategy obviously is to scale the fund management operations later with the larger, much more significant fund sizes. Company itself was founded in '22, launch first fund in '24 with €45 million, and has made more than 20 investments so far with the six partners who will remain in the operational roles.

Following then couple of words on the expansion on the Nordic private credit. We published that we are launching new strategy in private credit, which will primarily focus on direct lending to small and mid-sized companies in Nordic countries and other neighboring markets.

We obviously see quite significant synergies when it comes to fundraising, the fund management operations, but then on the other hand also, we have an excellent expertise, long track record in credit risk assessment through Garantia, which we also believe that we are able to from the competence perspective leverage in private credit operations. As we all know, Nordic countries are traditionally quite bank-dominated market.

Then on the other hand, there is kind of the private equity investors operating in the market, and we believe that this sort of financing when it's also kind of the regulation market is tightening, working in cooperation with the private equity and then on the other hand with the banks and other financial institutions, there is a clear demand for these kind of funding opportunities and financing opportunities in the Nordic and the neighboring markets. Next milestones with regards to private credit strategy will be announced later this year.

Then on the numbers, key figures. I will focus on the lower side of the slide.

The longer-term numbers. If we starting with the revenue, growth in revenue was that 3.9% from the previous 12-month period, €65.6 million, out of which continuing earnings increased 6.5% to 42.6%.

Then on the other hand, operating profit, as we all know, that in our case, especially the operating profit, but also total revenue will fluctuate on a quarterly basis quite significantly. Operating profit declined a bit, 4.9% from the previous 12-month period down to 27.6%, but still, out of that, operating profit from continuing earnings increased 12.6% from the previous 12-month period.

Then covering different business segments, starting with Garantia, and starting with the numbers on the right-hand side. Insurance service result was that €3 million, up from 2.4, 26.5% increase.

Total net income from the investment operations amounted €8.6 million, and the split between the P&L and other comprehensive income, you can see on the right-hand side. Claim expense ratio remained on a low level.

Risk position, meaning solvency ratio, is still stable and improving, and that obviously resulted very strong profitability as the combined ratio was 20, sorry, 36.7%. We also saw, like discussed, increased activity in North European non-payment insurance market, and successfully were able to underwrite some of new contracts in that area.

Finally, the premiums received, even though that is obviously, in our case, highly linked to residential mortgage guarantees, and even though that we all know that the transaction residential transaction market in Finland has been quite slow, and the volumes have been declining, even in that sort of market, the growth in premiums that we have been able to receive has increased on an LTM basis almost 20%, which is a good proxy also concerning the cash flow of the operations. Very very good development in that areas as well.

No major movement in Garantia's insurance portfolio split, still amounting that €1.8 billion when rounded on that level, and the investment portfolio, €169 million, no major movements in that either. Moving forward to Private Asset Management, and starting with the renewable energy.

The continuing earnings there declined a bit due to the fact that in a comparison period, there were those SolarWind III related retroactive fees, which were recognized during the comparison period. From the operational perspective, funds management continued and investing activities continued on an active level.

SolarWind III fund investment in Hallanvahti, which is the largest solar power plant in Finland, was completed during the quarter and commenced its operations. Then on the other hand, we kind of made a write-down with regards to one fund, and that is related to certain market environment development in certain countries outside Finland.

Exit processes continued quite active, and we still expect to kind of be able to see some of the closings of those transaction during this year. Other Private Asset Management business, NSI is now consolidated on the numbers since May.

Bioindustry continued its activities within the portfolio companies, participated in some of the follow-on investments in financing rounds, good development in some of the portfolio companies. In Real Estate, despite the kind of the, let's say, quite slow market, the occupancy rates have remained on a high level, and Eden Living, our JV with the Keva pension insurance company, acquired three additional assets during the second quarter.

In venture capital business, Nordic Science Investments continued its investment activities, made a new investments, and participated in additional follow-on financing rounds. No major movements in the numbers in other Private Asset Management business.

Then finally, the Investment segment. Obvious numbers are dominated by the fair value changes.

Therefore, the revenue is now negative, and operating profit is negative, and that is clearly driven by the fair value changes in Truscott, Gilliland East Wind, which will, like said earlier, will fluctuate on a quarterly basis depending on how the NAV is developing in the fund that has made the investment in Texas, and obviously, key driver there, not the only one, but the one of the key drivers obviously is the electricity price development and the forecast development on that in Texas. Like said, during the review period, we agreed that €30 million follow-on investment in Fintoil, which we kind of expect to be completed during the third quarter this year.

Finally, we also published follow-on investments for the earlier investments that we made in '25 to Ren-Gas, as it was able to enter in the long-term offtake agreement with Avanza Energy, which is a significant step towards the final investment decision concerning the Ren-Gas production facility in Tampere. Kind of the process obviously is such that first you need to kind of have all the kind of the planning ready, and you need to have committed offtake agreements, then you are able to kind of collect the financing for the investments, and then you are able to do the final investment decisions.

This is a important milestone for that company. No major changes in the total amount of the investments and fair values on that.

As a reminder, obviously, the Fintoil investments can only be seen after completion of the investment. Out of the development capital investments, we have covered most of those, but maybe mention is that Toriparkki volumes have continued to increase during the '26, and that obviously is highly correlated in that business with the EBITDA, and therefore, EBITDA has also grown and improving and developing positively during '26.

In Oribalt, online pharmacy sales continued a strong growth during the beginning of '26, and that is also developing positively, and we can see clear positive development in that company as well. Moving forward with the presentation, I will invite Lauri Lipsanen, our CFO, to cover result and balance sheet development.

Lauri Lipsanen

Thank you, Ilkka. Hi, my name is Lauri Lipsanen, Taaleri's Group CFO, and today, I present Q2 and H1 interim financials to you.

In the second quarter of this year, revenue was €13.2 million, and operating profit €4.4 million, as stated by Ilkka. Continuing earnings not related to Garantia were €7.5 million, but fell behind the comparison period, which was positively impacted by the retrospective management fee of €1.6 million, which, in turn, means that the underlying growth continued.

Performance fees were -€1.7 million, driven by the earlier-mentioned write-down. No other major changes were recognized in terms of performance fees.

Garantia's operating performance was strong, and net result from insurance grew by over 25%. Net income from investment operations were driven by Garantia's strong net investment income, mostly driven by strong equity or stock market related gains.

When comparing first-half operating profit to the previous year, operating profit improved by €1.6 million. Continuing earnings increased by 2.2%, driven by Garantia.

Mainly due to, as stated, comparison period was positively impacted by the retrospective management fees. Secondly, the performance fee related write-down of €1.7 million was burdening the result.

Thirdly, net income from investment operations improved materially from €0.4 million to €4.8 million, driven by the strong net investment income from Garantia's portfolio. Net income from investment result was partially offset by negative fair value changes in Investment segment, mainly driven by wind farm investment in Texas, of which fair value declined by €2 million through the first half of this year.

This was also adversely impacted by the Joensuu Biocoal related write-down of €0.9 million in Q1 this year. In addition, net expenses increased by €1.5 million, mainly because the fact that Biocoal investment related write-downs were €0.8 million, impacting Q1 cost base.

Acquisition of Nordic Science Investments and related consolidation effect impacted cost base by €0.3 million. In addition, in order to execute our strategy, we have expanded our sales team.

As visible on the left-hand chart, quarterly continuing earnings have been fairly stable, but the total revenue has been fluctuating. This has been mostly driven by fluctuation in net investment income, but in Q1, also by changes in performance fees.

The similar revenue fluctuation is visible in terms of operating profit on the right-hand side chart. When we're looking at the last 12-month basis figures, the composition of revenue is more balanced.

Continuing earnings have been growing by 6.5%, whereas other than continuing earnings have been fluctuating on an LTM basis. For instance, Q2 and Q3 '25 LTM figures here are positively impacted by the renewable energy development portfolio gains and performance fees recognized for the last quarter of 2024.

However, most of this recognized performance fee was written down in Q2 '26. This impact was, on the other hand, offset by the previously mentioned strong Garantia's net investment income.

It should be emphasized that the operating profit from continuing earnings have been developing positively trend-wise, as visible on the right hand. Then couple of words regarding Garantia.

As already discussed by Ilkka, despite the weak development of the Finnish housing market has continued, Garantia's insurance revenue has increased by almost 5% on the last 12-month basis, whilst insurance service expenses have remained fairly stable, and recently, even declined. These together have resulted in the positive net insurance result performance, which, combined with the positive development of the net investment income, have increased Garantia's operating profit up of €26 million on an LTM basis.

The underlying performance has been even stronger. Cash-based premiums received, which are colored here with the black, increased by almost 20% on an LTM basis.

However, the growth in terms of insurance revenue has been modest, mostly due to the IFRS accounting principles, causing delays in revenue recognition. On the right-hand side, it can be seen that the combined annual ratio was again strong in the first half of this year, and claim ratio was low.

It should be noted that expense ratio was impacted by the strategy development cost of €0.4 million, equaling to 4 percentage points impact on expense ratio. Here you can see that Garantia's return on equity at fair value continued to be at excellent level, and solvency ratio has remained strong, as well as basic own funds have continued to grow, and reach €125 million in Q2.

Garantia paid half of the dividend of €18 million to the parent company, Taaleri Plc, in March, and the second dividend payment will be made in September. Then a couple of words regarding Private Asset Management.

As visible, continuing earnings grew by 4.3% on an LTM basis, and this development has been mainly driven by SolarWind III final closing that took place in Q4 '25. When looking at the chart on the right, you can see that both LTM operating profit and especially LTM operating profit margin have been declining, and the decline is accelerated in Q2 '26.

Two drivers largely explain the decline in profitability. Q2 and Q3 '25 LTM profits are positively impacted by the earlier recognized performance fee of €1.8 million, whereas most of this performance fee was written off during the last quarter.

Secondly, LTM impact of retrospective fees relating to SolarWind III were lowest in the last quarter compared to the other LTM periods visible in this chart. What comes to Investment segment, fair value of the investment portfolio declined by €3.5 million during the last quarter, and it was mainly driven by the already mentioned negative fair value changes in the wind park in Texas, Truscott Gilliland East wind investment.

The total value of investments will increase materially subject to the announced follow-on investments into Fintoil and Ren-Gas. As a reminder, when looking at this table, fair value of the investment may deviate from the balance sheet value depending on the basis of accounting.

This is visible in Turun Toriparkki, of which fair value is currently €16.6 million, whereas the balance sheet value is €10.5 million. At the end, a short recap regarding Taaleri's balance sheet.

Both balance sheet and equity ratio have remained strong. Total assets were €304 million, and equity ratio 71%.

We entered into new financing arrangement of €30 million in order to execute upcoming follow-on investment of €30 million into Fintoil, and in order to maintain flexible implementation of strategic initiatives. Investments were €226 million at the quarter end, of which Garantia's investment portfolio accounted for 73%, and development capital portfolio slightly below 20%.

On top of these investments, we have the net cash position of €50 million, and this in total exceeds our market cap of €201 million, as per the end of Q2. It should be noted that on top of the investments which generate positive operative cash flow, our LTM operating profit from continuing earnings not related to the investment portfolio was €11.2 million.

Also, it is worth to highlight that Taaleri distributed the first dividend tranche of €4.2 million in April, and the second tranche will be paid in October. Now, Ilkka will present an outlook for 2026.

Ilkka Laurila

All right, thank you, Lauri. We haven't made any changes to the outlook for '26.

Repeating the previous outlook is such that in renewable energy business, we expect continuing earnings decline versus the comparison period and versus the '25 due to the fact of those subsequent management fees which were recognized in '25. Obviously, other than that, it's very much dependent on the exit processes and how those will develop during the year, and that will have a major impact on the operating profit and the result of that operation.

Then in other Private Asset Management, we expect the operating profit remains still negative in '26 as we are investing in growth and new asset classes and a new activities in that area. In Garantia, insurance revenue is expected to grow in '26, and profitability of the reinsurance operations expected to remain stable.

Then on the other hand, the other side of the business, investing operations, obviously development in that area is very much dependent on the overall interest market and the equity market development. In the Investment segment, like we saw also during this quarter, the result, both the revenue and operating profit, is very much dependent on the fair value changes, as the other revenue as well as the other cost structure is quite limited in that segment.

On the cost structure, no major changes are expected during '26. To summarize, like the headline title of this report was that the strategy execution is proceeding quite rapidly.

We also have a good operational development in our business. Obvious is, in our case, that good strategy execution and the operation development are not always shown in a short-term quarterly numbers, but in a longer term, we strongly believe that as we continue the high activity level that we are, and we continue to execute our strategy, that can be seen in a positive development of our numbers during the incoming quarters.

That will concludes this section, and moving forward to the next section of the presentation is to cover shortly the Fintoil and our investment on that. Like said, we have made a decision to invest €30 million in Fintoil, as a part of the bigger, much larger financing round.

The €25 million out of that is paid on completion, and then €5 million is then conditional on this Fintoil's strategic investments. That will result approximately 35% ownership in Fintoil post transaction, subject to certain final conditions and final development and timing, and so on and so forth.

The expected completion is to happen during this quarter, the third quarter '26, and that is subject to customary authority and other conditions. With that, it's my pleasure to invite Ari-Pekka Määttänen, the CEO of Fintoil, to the stage to go through what the Fintoil actually is, what are the operation, and how we see the future development, and the company sees the future development now going forward.

With that, Ari-Pekka, please, stage is yours.

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

Thank you, Ilkka. Pleased to be here, and good morning on my behalf also.

My name is Ari-Pekka Määttänen, and I'm a CEO at Fintoil. Since last 2 years, I joined the company 1st of July 2024.

Before that, I was heading Andritz's EMEA business, €1.7 billion sales, pulp and paper and power, and a strong background on a forest industry, because before Andritz, I was at Stora Enso, having a long career there. The last position there was running the Containerboard business unit, where we created quite a significant growth in 8 years.

The Fintoil story itself, who we are? We are the most modern crude tall oil refining company in the world.

We are located well in logistic-wise next to the port and good connections to the railway and road transportation. The bioindustry, pulp mills who are producing the crude tall oil, are located near to us, and so is our customers who are producing biofuels are also close to us.

We have a perfect logistic setup with this Hamina-Kotka port. Our technology is based on Neste's technology, NEXPINUS technology, which is a very cost-efficient.

It's a low energy setup as such, we actually utilize 40% less energy in our refining facilities compare competitors. What is crude tall oil?

Crude tall oil is originated from the forest. It's an extractives from pine and spruce, which is separated in a pulping process in our pulp mills.

Then crude tall oil is delivered to Fintoil facilities, where we fractionate that to four different kind of products. One is a turpentine, which goes to aromatics and hygiene products.

Then the main product is fatty acids, and that goes to the renewable diesel feedstock. There, the demand is really high today, and we are really focusing on that.

The third product is rosin, which goes to the adhesives, inks, paints, coatings, and a similar applications. The last but not least, we have a two different kind of a pitch products, which currently goes to the bioenergy.

The bioenergy is actually a bit of the outlet for us, and it's the lowest value-added application for the pitch. We are having more and more this high-value-added applications like a construction, asphalt, sterols, and that kind of things.

That is a market optimization what we are currently doing. What we have achieved so far?

As said, we are a leading producer of the CTO crude tall oil derivatives, and our capacity is roughly 10% of the global refining capacity, with 200,000 tons of the capacity at Hamina-Kotka. Our purpose is to replace fossil-based materials, and we can do that in our customers' applications up to 400,000 tons of equivalent CO2 fossil CO2 tons.

To put that in a context, that means roughly 45% of Finnish road traffic emissions, CO2 emissions. It's quite a significant amount what we are doing.

We are a very lean organization. We are only 47 people, which means on a turnover-wise, €4 million per single employee.

With the full capacity, it's a €5 million per single employee. We have a proven track record last 3, 4 years in operations.

It functions well. It's a very effective, flexible, and cost-efficient.

With that, we have also created during the last year quite a significant growth. As we can seen in here, in 2025, in comparison to 2024, we grew 43% in our top line.

We have a heavy market acquisition during those days. Currently, by the end of Q2, last 12 months, in comparison year on year, we have already grown another 23%, and we will for sure this year exceed more than 30%.

We have a two '25, '26 really aggressive growth years at the moment. Here we can see that the big part of our business is located in Finland, and there's a reason for that one.

That's the pitch. We need to have a outlet market for the pitch nearby at the moment.

When you are growing aggressively, the market mix, it's not optimum at all at this stage. That's why the profitability starts to follow gradually the growth rates, but that will come later when we have optimized our market and customer footprint.

That's why we have this multiple earning and growth levers, which we can seen in here. Our capacity is 75% at the moment what we are utilizing.

There are still more room for the sales volumes, because the market is not the bottleneck in here. Market exists.

We have a broad customer base in general, and we can improve our customer and product mix and market mix. Of course, with the innovation, we could have high return investment opportunities in the future.

By saying that, I will go to our next steps, what the future will bring us. We have set the strategy in the stages, different milestones.

That's clear, because you cannot do everything at once. You have to do it stepwise, systematically.

The first step is already behind us, and that's the start-up stage. In the start-up phase, we had a limited market access due to the offtake contracts, but actually, that secured our business for the first years, initial years.

Now we are already in a fast growth stage, which really means that our top line is growing really rapidly, and the enabler is that we have broadened our customer base quite aggressively, from the totally different applications, different categories, and with that, we are understanding the market much better than we had understood before. By understanding the market, we start to create an innovation and R&D work towards the next steps, and really find the right customers, right markets, right applications, where we can make most out of the value with our customers in these applications with our products, with the crude tall oil value chain.

Then we are entering to the optimization stage. There, we actually selecting the right customers who to partner with, right applications, and improve our customer and market mix quite rapidly.

At the same time, we need to have a right geographical footprint, which means that we understand what are the key markets and what are so-called outlet markets for us, and how we set up our organization to support the strategy. Then, when you're entering to the new business, the first question is always that is the business profitable?

Can you make it profitable? That's a yes.

We can make this profitable because the demand is growing. There is a RED III Directive, which increases the demand of bio-based fuels quite rapidly in coming years.

'26, '27, we are in balance, but '28, advanced feedstock, it's already scarce in the market in '28, based on this one. The second question, which is a more important question, is that can you differentiate from the competitors?

Yes, we can. We have set up our innovation work, and as a proof point of that, we have filed our application of the environmental permit for the next investment stage 6 weeks ago.

With that, we are differentiating further from our competitors towards that, and are able to adapt to the changing market environment. As once again said, I'm really pleased to have HitecVision, the private equity investment, leading investor in energy sector, on board, and especially Taaleri's support to this business to really remove the barriers in our balance sheet to execute our strategy towards the profitable growth.

Thank you so much to letting me be here to tell the Fintoil's story. Thank you.

Linda Tierala

Thank you for the presentation, Ari-Pekka, and thank you also Ilkka and Lauri for your presentations earlier. We will now move forward to the Q&A session, and as mentioned earlier, we will start with a Q&A with Fintoil CEO Ari-Pekka Määttänen, as he is here on stage with me.

If you have any questions online, please continue to submit those through the platform, and we're happy to take questions here also from the audience. Please go ahead.

We have the first question here from the audience.

Samu Wilhelmsson

Yes, thank you. Samu Wilhelmsson from Nordea Credit Research.

Thank you, Ari-Pekka, for the great presentation. Maybe a few questions regarding Fintoil.

Regarding the new growth strategy, are you expecting to these investments tackle into more creating like new sites, or does it focus more on expanding the existing Hamina site?

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

The first stage, it is an existing site, but in a future stage, we are not excluding also other options for the profitable growth.

Samu Wilhelmsson

Got it. Then you mentioned in the announcement the EBITDA margin target of 20% by 2030 from around 9%.

Just trying to understand, does that mainly stem from the new multi-site strategy, or does it include some internal efficiency measures from the existing site?

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

The first stage is really that we need to optimize our customer and market mix, because we are not optimal at all. With a such an aggressive growth, there is an acquisition cost of the markets, and we are actually carrying that acquisition cost at the moment.

To get rid of that one, it takes year and a half, couple of years to the optimization part, and then the profitability start to follow. On the top of that, there are also the investments behind that 20%.

Samu Wilhelmsson

Thank you. Then the final question regarding the crude tall oil availability, because we know that it's a tight market, and you said that now because what is happening in the Middle East, the capacity utilization has been low in Fintoil now because of availability concerns.

Have these impacted the market prices of CTO, and are you managing these price-related risks, and is there a risk that these price increases would force you to downgrade your capacity even further if the prices would increase further?

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

That's an interesting thing in general, because actually, crude tall oil producers are following our pricing. First, we add up the pricing, and they are actually following us.

This is a totally new business environment for me, because normally, it's a vice versa in here. At the same time, I would say now strategy, we have to concentrate in a investments to upgrade our products further to increase the crude tall oil paying capability, and we have to be much better than the competitors in that sense.

Samu Wilhelmsson

Thank you.

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

Not just increase in the fractionation capacity.

Samu Wilhelmsson

Yes, of course. Thank you.

Linda Tierala

We have a question here from the audience as well.

Sauli Vilén

Yes, good afternoon. Sauli Vilén from Inderes.

About the top-line potential of the current site, can you give us any insights? Obviously in the Taaleri has said that you are aiming for double-digit growth, but annually, but that doesn't tell much about the potential.

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

Our target was €180 million to achieve that one, but it seems that we are already achieving that this year. We have upgraded our targets in this strategic round, but it will be clearly above the €200 million in that site.

Sauli Vilén

Is that the level where you think you could achieve the profitability target also?

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

No, not only, because then we need that these investments, what we are actually currently studying on, or even additional capacity to be acquired.

Sauli Vilén

By acquiring more capacity, do you mean expanding the current site or?

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

Not only. There are also other options.

You can also acquire downstream. All right,

Sauli Vilén

okay. Then about the investment, can maybe you shed more light on what kind of CapEx you are actually making now once you have the notable amount of wiggle room, to speak, and you are not restrained anymore with the balance sheet.

Since obviously yes, the greenfield operation was maybe down far down in the future, but for the next 24 months, can you open up more what you are planning to do with the cash pile?

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

I don't want to speculate too much about the CapEx at this stage, but it's not that significant in the first stage. The thing is that we want to upgrade our so-called commodity products towards the market, which is growing really rapidly in coming years, and I hope that we are up and running in 2028 with that one.

Sauli Vilén

What you are basically saying that you actually have excess capital at this stage, since you clearly hasn't been earmarked?

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

In general, that's my believe that the CapEx is not the bottleneck today. The perfect business ideas and innovation is the bottleneck.

I think that we have find something now to go further with that one. We are expecting the final investment decision by the end of this year, latest January next year, when we have done our feasibility study regarding this business case.

Sauli Vilén

Okay. Then about your new partner, the HitecVision, about their role, obviously, that Taaleri has been at the helm during the past 6 years or so, but now the HitecVision will be the main owner.

What kind of role they will be playing at your operations?

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

They are very strong in energy sector in general, and I think that that's the value what they are going to bring us to the BOD work as such, to really, let's say, challenge us in the right way, and give the right guidance, what should we do on that side. We have our strategy, our opinions on that side, but I'm really waiting forward this strategy round and very fruitful discussion regarding the energy sector in general.

Sauli Vilén

They, of course, will operate mainly from the board, I would assume?

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

Yes, that's the case.

Sauli Vilén

Great. Thank you.

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

Thank you.

Linda Tierala

Thank you. We have a question online as well.

This is regarding the regulatory risk related to Fintoil's operations. For example, related to what's in Finnish called sekoitevelvoite, or blending obligations.

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

Blending mandate.

Linda Tierala

Blending mandate. Is there something that you could elaborate on that?

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

Yes, it is always a risk as such. As said, that's why we have two market segments.

We have a segment for biofuels and biochemicals, and we will keep the biochemicals alive for sure. It's going to be a niche business, but anyway, we are keeping that alive.

If the market environment is rapidly changing because of the regulatory things, we can quite quickly adapt to the changing market environment and conditions as such. That's what we need to have, the agility build in this business.

Linda Tierala

Thank you.

Ari-Pekka Määttänen

Thank you.

Linda Tierala

Thank you, Ari-Pekka, and we will now move to the second part of this Q&A. Please join me here on stage, Ilkka and Lauri, for the financial Q&A.

Again, if you would like to ask a question, you can do so through the platform. We have a question here online.

Please go ahead.

Patrick Campbell

Hi, it's Patrick Campbell from Nordea. Just going back to Fintoil and the arrangement, my question relates to other Private Asset Management.

You're still guiding for negative profitability despite the expectation of some performance fees. Can you kind of break down this more clearly, please?

Ilkka Laurila

The performance fees mainly relate to the renewable energy, as well as we have that from regarding Fintoil, we have some upsides there. Part of the profit relating Fintoil relate to other division, not other Private Asset Management.

Patrick Campbell

All right, thank you. Then just going back to SolarWind I and the kind of reversal of the poor performance fees there.

Can you kind of explain a bit more the rationale behind this decision? Maybe a follow-up regarding this is what are kind of the implications for the other funds currently in the exit phase?

Ilkka Laurila

First, as a reminder, first, you need to understand that that is a market related question. In SolarWind I, it's good to know that there's one investment in Jordan, in Middle East, one investment in Serbia, and two investments in Sweden.

For example, there's no investments in Finland. That's maybe good to highlight.

The write-down relates to different sort of the market development in those areas, especially in Middle East. We all know what's the geopolitical situation in there.

Then on the other hand, I think all that are following the energy market knows that what's the renewable energy market situation in Sweden, as there has been in certain cancellation of the investments, especially in the northern Sweden area.

Patrick Campbell

All right, thank you. Then just a final one on SolarWind IV.

You've started the initial preparations. Do you kind of have a initial timeline for the fund, what's kind of the track or timeline for kind of launching this new fund?

Ilkka Laurila

Like said, we started the initial preparation for the fund. We haven't set yet any kind of exact timeline, but let's put it that way, that during the 12 next 12 months, we expect to have a first closing on that.

Patrick Campbell

Perfect. Thank you.

Linda Tierala

Thank you. We have a question here from the audience as well.

Sauli Vilén

Yes, hi. Sauli from Inderes still.

About the SolarWind I carry, can you give us any idea how far below the hurdle you actually are now? Is it just a tad, or what?

Ilkka Laurila

We are still above the hurdle, there is still some carry which is recognized in the balance sheet, it was not complete write-down of that. There is still small amount of carry that is recognized in the balance sheet.

We are still above the hurdle.

Sauli Vilén

You have previously, if I understand correctly, you apply fairly large buffers for the carry calculation. Are those buffers still there, or have you?

Ilkka Laurila

Typically, yes. This process itself is similar to previous quarters, there's no changes in the technical process how we do it.

Then

Sauli Vilén

about the renewable energy, your personnel costs were fairly high in Q2. Usually, those spikes relate to the final closings of the fund, but now, there wasn't any of that.

What was the reason?

Lauri Lipsanen

Variable personnel costs were higher, and that was mainly related to changes in bonus provisions compared to what has actually realized in the previous periods, and that also applies to the comparison period as well.

Sauli Vilén

Okay. Then about the older wind funds, you still maintain the outlook that you could divest those in 2026.

Obviously, the year is closing in soon, how confident are you that you can actually divest those in this current market?

Ilkka Laurila

There's no, let's say, news on that area. Like said, we still believe that we're able to close those and targeting to close those during 2026.

Sauli Vilén

Then on the SolarWind IV, have you started some early investor discussions already? Are you in that phase?

Ilkka Laurila

Obviously, as we are now having our, let's say, in-sourced and sales resources, we are continually having active dialogue with the LPs, and that's obviously continuous process with the professional investors. In that sense, yes, but like said, we have only started the initial preparations, and like said, we're, even so, haven't set any exact timeline, targeting to have a first closing during the 12 months or so.

Sauli Vilén

What is your view about the fundraising market? Obviously, with the third fund, the market was super tough due to the difficulties in the alternative space due to the raising interest rates, etc.

How do you feel now the market conditions when you start to raise?

Ilkka Laurila

I would say that I think in general, obviously, we have other funds will be on active phase in later as well, and I think overall, we are also seeing from the statistics that the activity level is increasing. Then on the other hand, the, let's say, actual reservations still remains the same.

The kind of the same LPs, they also need kind of the exits, and therefore, so that we should be able to return some of the capital so that the circling of the capital will continue. I think the activity level and the optimism within the LPs is, you could say, has improved in the last 6 months or so, and that can also be seen on international statistics that obviously we follow quite actively.

Sauli Vilén

Then about your own investment or the ticket size, I think in the third fund, you put €6 million, if I remember correctly, or so. Is that a right ballpark figure for your own investment in the fund?

Ilkka Laurila

That's dependent on the LPA negotiations, so that's agreed together with the investors, no kind of final figures for that yet.

Sauli Vilén

Okay. Then moving on from fundraisings.

About the NSI, now when you have made the acquisition, any idea when you could start launching the second fund? How much of the investment capacity has been deployed on the first fund?

Ilkka Laurila

Roughly, I would say 40% or so has been invested so far. In venture capital fund, that is already a quite sizable amount, meaning that there is only room for a handful or so new investments, and then obviously, lots of reserve to follow on investments.

That's the classic case in venture capital fund. Therefore, obviously, we are having, let's say, strategic discussions already ongoing how and when we should proceed with the next vintage.

Obviously, nothing has been decided yet, nor to published.

Sauli Vilén

Then the basically same question about the private credit, any timeline on that? Obviously, you need the team to come in first, but.

Ilkka Laurila

On that, we have said that the next milestones we will publish this autumn, stay tuned on that. Obviously, following the team recruitment and the kind of the starting of the employment, that will then follow the kind of the fundraising process with the permissions and regulatory approvals and everything.

In that sense, obviously, if the team will start later this year, obviously, the fundraising will start then early next year. That's the target timeline for that.

Sauli Vilén

Then if I may still continue about the Ren-Gas, you said that you will be deployed the last of the initial investment during Q3. Overall, the facility or their investment plans seem to moving on fairly quickly.

Do you see Taaleri playing a role on the funding of the actual factory investment or so, if that comes to that?

Ilkka Laurila

Haven't made any that sort of decisions. Like I think we earlier have communicated that we are participated on that €16 million financing round for that development company.

Then obviously, the asset companies are completely separate vehicles, and we haven't made any decision to participate on those.

Sauli Vilén

Initially, could those be interesting opportunities for you? Are those something you could look at?

Ilkka Laurila

I would say that it is quite likely that at this stage that no, at least not the significant amount from our own balance sheet.

Sauli Vilén

Okay. Then a couple of still on Garantia.

You booked some €400,000 on strategy update cost, or whatever those were named. I thought you did the strategy process already a year ago, so.

Ilkka Laurila

Yes, and that is related to like we have stated that one of the angles on that is the international expansion, and these costs now related to market study relating to that international expansion. Obviously, the resources of Garantia is 20-22 employees or so, the internal resources are quite limited to carry out any more extensive market studies, and that's why obviously, it's typical that you utilize external counterparties to do that sort of studies.

Sauli Vilén

Then final question about the solvency on Garantia. The upcoming dividends already deducted from the 260% solvency, right?

Ilkka Laurila

I have to check that.

Sauli Vilén

Yeah. Either case, even if it would not be, the solvency is still super high.

I have asked this before, but why you just don't take an extraordinary dividend out of the Garantia now once you actually could use the money to fund Fintoil instead of raising debt or so?

Ilkka Laurila

It is quite, let's say, for an insurance company, it's quite small size. To be able to keep a stable outlook with the credit rating, which is crucial for the continuity of the business, it's good to have a strong solvency, strong balance sheet, so that we are able to also kind of target at the growth or the Garantia is able to kind of target its own growth activity.

There is a clear rationale for that. It is a quite small-size insurance company.

Sauli Vilén

Thank you very much.

Linda Tierala

Thank you. We have a few questions online as well.

There's one regarding the SolarWind IV fund. Have you received any indications from investors in previous SolarWind funds regarding commitments to do the next fund?

Ilkka Laurila

Nothing to communicate. Obviously, like said, we are only initial preparatory phase at the moment, nothing to say on that area.

Linda Tierala

Okay. Then there's a question also regarding Garantia, and the performance in the second quarter was quite strong.

How much of Garantia's growth is coming from markets outside Finland at the moment?

Ilkka Laurila

We haven't separated that, but obviously, if you take a look at the total insurance portfolio, still 80-something percent is deriving from the Finnish housing market. That is clearly the most meaningful part of that, and the international activities, even though that is strategically important, and the activity level is increasing, and we have several new contracts that we have been able to underwrite during the quarter, the impact for the growth is still quite limited.

Linda Tierala

Thank you. Do we have any further questions here in the audience?

If there are no further questions, then we will conclude today's webcast session. Behalf on everyone here from Taaleri, would like to thank you for your interest in Taaleri and for your participation, both here in the audience and also online.

Should you have any follow-up questions, you're more than welcome to reach out to any of us with those. We continue to appreciate your interest in Taaleri, and wish you a great day.

Thank you.

Ilkka Laurila

Thank you.