Stella-Jones Inc.

Stella-Jones Inc.

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Q4 FY2025 · Earnings Call TranscriptFebruary 26, 2026

Operator

Good morning, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Stella-Jones' fourth-quarter and full-year 2025 earnings call.

At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will hold a question-and-answer session.

To queue up for questions by phone, please press * followed by 1. If anyone experiences difficulties hearing the conference call, please press * followed by 0 for operator assistance at any time.

I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded on Thursday, February 26, 2026. I will now turn the call over to David Galison, Vice President, Investor Relations of Stella-Jones.

David Galison

Thank you, Jenny, and good morning, everyone. Earlier this morning, we issued our press release reporting our results for the fourth quarter and full year of 2025.

Along with our MD&A, it can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website at www.stella-jones.com as well as on SEDAR+. As a reminder, all figures expressed on today's call are in Canadian dollars unless otherwise stated.

Please note that the comments made on today's call may contain forward-looking information, and this information, by its nature, is subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from the views expressed today.

For further information on these risks and uncertainties, please consult the company's relevant filings on SEDAR+. These documents are also available on the Investor Relations section of Stella-Jones website at www.stella-jones.com.

Additionally, during this conference call, the company may refer to non-GAAP measures, which have no standardized meaning under GAAP and are not likely to be comparable to other similar measures presented by other issuers. For more information, please refer to the company's latest MD&A and available on Stella-Jones website and on SEDAR+.

Lastly, we have prepared a corresponding presentation, which we encourage you to follow along with during this call. I will now hand the call over to Eric Vachon, President and Chief Executive Officer of Stella-Jones, for a strategic business update, followed by Silvana Travaglini, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Stella-Jones, who will provide a more detailed financial overview.

Eric, over to you.

Eric Vachon

Thank you, David. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today.

2025 was a pivotal year for Stella-Jones. We delivered solid profitability as we advanced our value creation strategy.

By completing two strategic acquisitions in the utility space, we have propelled our mission forward to become the supplier of choice for our infrastructure customers. The additions of Lockwell and Brooks have broadened our total addressable market.

We are now leveraging these new growth avenues to expand our steel lattice tower business in the US as we actively execute the growth priorities outlined at our Investor Day. The results reported today reflect the strength of our infrastructure focus strategy and our team's unwavering commitment to long-term value.

We successfully delivered top-line results within our latest guidance and met our three-year commitment to return $500 million to our shareholders. I'm especially proud of our team for delivering EBITDA margins over 18%, ahead of guidance amidst a year where all three of our product categories faced softer demand.

This full-year strength was supported by our performance in the final quarter of the year. As we look at the fourth-quarter highlights, our results were bolstered by the volume growth in wood utility poles and the contributions of our newly integrated steel structures and crossarm businesses.

This helped offset the lower volumes we saw in railway ties. Although ties sales came in below our forecast, the tie business delivered a solid margin performance and remained a resilient contributor to our overall profitability and margin strength.

The operational investments to double our steel structure production capacity at our Candiac facility are well underway. We are on track for completion by mid-2026, with a full production ramp-up in the second half of this year.

Building on this momentum, we are taking an important step forward by establishing a US-based manufacturing footprint for steel lattice towers. We will invest approximately $50 million US to build a new greenfield facility in the Southeast United States, adding approximately 20,000 tons to our total production capacity.

The selection is down to a few sites that offer superior access to skilled workforce and proximity to key galvanizing partners. With commissioning expected by late 2027 and full three-shift capacity by the end of 2028, this facility will provide the scalability required to meet the growing demand of US utilities.

In the fourth quarter, we also marked our entry into the pole fixtures and accessory market with the acquisition of Brooks. By adding these complementary products, we are better positioned to serve our utility customers and capture new cross-selling opportunities across our network.

This acquisition is a perfect example of our strategy to leverage existing customer relationships for incremental growth. Notably, we completed this $140 million US transaction without increasing our debt leverage, a result that underscores the strength of our cash flow and our disciplined approach to capital allocation.

Integration of the Brooks acquisition is well underway and is progressing in line with our expectations. From a sustainability perspective, we are excited to share that following year end, we acquired a 1/3 equity interest in Lizzy Bay Logging, forming a partnership with local British Columbia First Nations in a forest harvesting company.

This approximately $5 million investment will secure dependable, long-term supply of utility pole fiber, specifically for western red cedar and Douglas fir. It targets large transmission poles, a critical resource that is increasingly in short supply.

We view this collaboration as an important advancement in our commitment to building mutually beneficial partnerships with Indigenous communities in Canada. I will now turn to a performance overview of our main product categories, starting with utility products.

After navigating a period of softer demand for utility poles that began in Q3 2024, the pace of purchase for certain customers accelerated in Q3, and that momentum carried into the fourth quarter. The volume growth was driven by our contract business, a direct result of our well-executed multi-year strategy.

We have strategically expanded our pole business and focused on partnering with customers who value long-term supply security. We are now seeing the impact of those new contracts in our sales figures as well as a pick-up in activity from some of our long-standing customers.

Our contract business, which represents over 75% of our utility pole sales, has helped mitigate the impact of softer and more competitive spot market. While spot pricing and volume pressures persist, the improvement in volumes in the latter part of the year allowed us to deliver full-year sales growth in the low single-digit range, consistent with our outlook.

This positive volume trajectory has created a tailwind that carries us into 2026 with confidence. For our railway tie business, 2025 was a year of transition.

We navigated the impact of a Class 1 railroad's shift to in-house treatment, several project deferrals, and a more aggressive competitive landscape. As a result, the volume gains anticipated for the fourth quarter did not materialize, and we ended the year with organic sales down 10%, below the mid-single-digit decline guidance.

I'm, however, encouraged by the team's discipline. Despite these top-line headwinds, we focused on what we can control, improving margins and maintaining stable profitability.

Looking ahead, we expect a more modest growth environment for our tie business. Our Class 1 customers are currently navigating complex landscape of potential industry consolidation and macroeconomic headwinds, sentiments they have echoed in their recent commentary.

While we expect this may result in relatively flat railway tie sales in the near to mid-term, it does not change our long-term outlook. We remain focused on positioning the business to capture long-term growth, and we see a pipeline of opportunities ahead in both Class 1s and commercial markets.

2026 also coincides with a cycle of Class 1 contract renewals. We view these renewals as a strategic opportunity to further align our offerings with our customers' evolving requirements.

By leveraging our commitment to quality, availability, and service, we are positioning ourselves as a partner of choice for Class 1 railroads. At the same time, we will pursue growth of our commercial business.

With the uncertainty in 2025 around government funding resolved, we expect more commercial project activity in 2026, and we are ready to meet this demand. Our three-year outlook remains unchanged, and this is supported by a track record of resilience.

Even with the pullback in 2025 sales, railway ties delivered a low single-digit sales growth over a multi-year horizon, underscoring the recurring nature of this maintenance-driven business. Our residential lumber business demonstrated remarkable resilience this year, delivering a stable performance despite an industry backdrop of significant pricing pressures and muted demand.

This is a clear validation of our value-added business model and the strength of our strategic alliance with our primary customer. While volumes were impacted by the market slowdown, we delivered the same sales performance as in 2024 due to higher pricing.

This allowed us to recover the higher cost of inventory procured in early 2025. As we move forward, we have full confidence in our ability to deliver on our long-term targets, keeping this business steady within the $600 to $650 million revenue range.

In summary, we recognized that growth is rarely linear, but long-term fundamentals of our business remain intact. We are well-positioned to benefit from the solid tailwinds in our utility products business, which represents over 50% of our sales.

This, paired with our strategic positioning in railway ties and the unique value proposition of residential lumber, reinforces our confidence to deliver on our 2026 to 2028 financial objectives. With that, I will now ask Silvana to provide a more detailed overview of our fourth-quarter and year-end financial results.

Silvana Travaglini

Thank you, Eric, and good morning, everyone. As Eric stated at the top of the call, we ended the year with sales in line with our latest guidance.

Sales for the year were up $23 million to $3.5 billion, largely driven by volume gains for wood utility poles, the contribution of our recent acquisitions, and the favorable impact of currency conversion. These drivers were in part offset by volume headwinds for railway ties.

For the fourth quarter, organic sales declined 4% compared to the prior year. In Q4, we saw strong volume momentum in utility poles, which delivered a 9% organic sales growth.

While this strong performance for poles was tempered by softer volume for railway ties, the contribution from our Lockwell and Brooks acquisition and the currency impact resulted in total sales that were relatively stable compared to Q4 last year. For utility products, we generated $447 million in sales in the fourth quarter, up 16% from $385 million in the same period last year.

The 2025 acquisitions of Lockwell and Brooks contributed 7% to the overall sales increase, while volume gains explained the organic sales growth of 9%. Q4 pricing remained relatively stable as softer spot market pricing was largely offset by higher contract pricing.

For volumes, we continued to benefit from the incremental commitments that we secured back in 2023 and 2024 and from an increase in purchase activity by some utilities. Volumes in the second half of the year were up 8%, resulting in full-year sales growth in the low single-digit range, consistent with our outlook.

Sales of railway ties were down 16% or $31 million in Q4 to $162 million, largely attributable to lower sales volumes. The timing of shipments, along with more competitive pressures, impacted volumes more than expected, resulting in full-year organic sales declining 10% compared to the mid-single-digit decrease previously disclosed.

For the full year, our railway tie volumes were also impacted by a Class 1 customer now treating railway ties at their own company-owned facility, as well as delays in the execution of some non-Class 1 projects. Despite lower volumes, margin performance of railway ties remained solid.

Residential lumber sales were also down 14% in the fourth quarter to $80 million, compared to a particularly strong Q4 last year, which benefited from unseasonably warm weather. The decrease was primarily volume-driven as pricing remained relatively stable.

For the year, despite unfavorable weather conditions in the first half of 2025 and general market softness, pricing remained above 2024 levels, supported by elevated inventory costs from purchases made earlier in the year. The company ended 2025 with residential lumber sales of $615 million, comparable to the $614 million generated last year.

Turning now to profitability. The business continued to generate strong EBITDA and robust margins in Q4, reflecting solid execution and the resilience of our business.

EBITDA in Q4 increased to $122 million, and we delivered an EBITDA margin of 16.8%, compared to $115 million in the fourth quarter last year and a margin of 15.8%. The uplift in EBITDA and margin was attributable to increased volumes of utility products, which carry a higher margin, and a better profitability performance from railway ties.

For the year, we maintained a robust EBITDA margin of 18.1%, excluding the insurance gain, consistent with our performance over the past two years. Moving on to cash flows.

Q4 cash flows contributed to the strong full year of cash generated from operations of $557 million and free cash flow of over $400 million. Our robust cash generation in 2025 reflected our disciplined focus on working capital, particularly as we optimized our inventory levels.

Over the past 12 months, we deployed the cash generated to make two strategic acquisitions totaling $260 million while continuing to invest in the safety and reliability of our operations. We also returned $158 million to shareholders in 2025, achieving our three-year $500 million commitment, returning a total of $506 million to shareholders.

By reducing our share count by over $4 million 4 million shares since 2023, we have successfully driven a 13% EPS growth, outpacing our growth in both sales and EBITDA over the same period. In 2025, we increased the dividend payout by 11% to $1.24 per share.

Yesterday, the Board of Directors announced a 10% increase in the company's quarterly dividend to 34 cents per share. This marks our 22nd consecutive annual increase, which speaks to our commitment to shareholders and the confidence in the long-term fundamentals of our business.

We continue to view share buybacks as a valuable capital allocation tool. As such, during Q4, we initiated another normal course issuer bid to repurchase up to 1.5 million shares.

Given the company's growth strategy, we will continue to consider buybacks based on the timing of M&A activity, and we will return excess capital to shareholders when it makes sense. We ended the year with almost $630 million in available liquidity and a net debt-to-EBITDA ratio within our target range.

These metrics underscore the strong cash-generating power of our business. Even after deploying close to $260 million for the acquisitions of Lockwell and Brooks, our financial position remains robust, demonstrating our ability to fund significant growth while maintaining a strong balance sheet to support our long-term objectives.

In summary, we are very pleased with our performance and the strategic evolution of Stella-Jones this year. We have made significant strides in our value creation strategy, underpinned by two pivotal acquisitions and solid volume momentum in our utility pole business.

As we scale our steel structure capacity and launch our first greenfield manufacturing facility in the US, our focus remains on the long term. Backed by a strong cash flow profile and a healthy balance sheet, we have the financial flexibility to continue pursuing both organic and inorganic growth.

Stella-Jones has never been better positioned for sustained success. I will now turn the call back to Eric for his concluding remarks.

Eric Vachon

Thank you, Silvana. Exiting 2025, we are stronger and a more diversified organization.

We head into 2026 with a broader infrastructure offering and a clear roadmap to growth. We will scale our steel structure business, leverage our customer-focused approach and contractual strength to navigate evolving market dynamics, and continue to reinforce our position as a supplier of choice for North America's infrastructure.

We also remain committed to identifying strategic growth opportunities that enhance our portfolio and extend our market reach. We have the right strategy, the right team, and a solid financial foundation to continue driving long-term value and ensure Stella-Jones' continued to be a leader in the market and deliver exceptional value for years to come.

I want to thank our employees for their dedication and hard work, and our shareholders for their continued trust as we move into this next chapter of the Stella-Jones story. Finally, we look forward to connecting and exchanging with investors at the 2026 Raymond James Institutional Investors Conference in Orlando, Florida, which will be held next week.

This concludes today's prepared remarks. I will now open the line for questions.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to queue up for questions by phone, please press * followed by the number 1 on a telephone keypad.

Your first question is from Benoit Poirier from Desjardins Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Benoit Poirier

Yes. Thank you very much.

Good morning, everyone. First question is on railway tie.

When we look at the volume reduction in Q4, would it be fair to say that it was mostly driven by some special purchase made by some Class 1 customer that did not repeat in Q4?

Eric Vachon

Good morning, Benoit. To a slight extent, yes.

As I commented in my remarks, we did have a shift of a few commercial orders that got pushed into early 2026. To your point, yes, there's been a slight impact of that year-end preordering effect that you're referring to.

Obviously a bit more competitive landscape as Class 1s have tightened up a bit their maintenance programs and there's a lot of competition in the market with inventory to sell. We have seen enhanced competition in the market.

Benoit Poirier

Okay. When we look at 2026 for the segment, given the RTA conference is calling for flat volume, Class 1s reducing overall CapEx, and looks like there's more competition, could you even deliver negative organic growth for railway ties in 2026?

Eric Vachon

Our view is flat. I sort of agree with the Railway Tie Association and how we're looking at the orders that are coming in and what Class 1s are communicating to us, we believe it'll be a flat year.

Yeah.

Benoit Poirier

Okay. Utility pole, great performance in the quarter.

Could you walk us through what could be some reasonable expectation in 2026? You finished at 9%, and given that you're going to be lapping very easy comps in the first three quarters of the year, just wondering if there's an opportunity to show a higher single-digit growth for 2026 for utility pole?

Eric Vachon

Let's talk about the infrastructure products. Definitely for utility poles.

Slight distinction versus utility products. If I exclude the steel business and the crossarm business, we've been guiding to mid-single-digit growth in our guidance.

I think that still holds very well. As I've mentioned, we saw some good momentum in Q4, or the back half of last year.

It's carrying into this year. It's a greater, diverse group of customers actually sort of stepping up right now when I compare to the last few months of 2025.

If you layer on top of that, obviously, steel structures and crossarms, yeah, which we expect a very good year here in 2026. We just talked about the railroad business, for Class 1s, flat-ish.

We do see some very positive dynamics in the commercial markets. We understand that the federal-funded CRISI grants are still in effect here for at least a couple of more years coming our way, and we're definitely seeing our customers positively react to that available funding.

I remain quite optimistic about what we can realize in 2026.

Benoit Poirier

Okay. Last one for me on the steel side, Eric.

We've seen several transmission line projects with Hydro-Québec, Hydro One, BC Hydro that will likely involve lattice steel products. Any thoughts whether your upcoming capacity in Candiac would be enough to meet those requirements?

With respect to the new facility in the US with 50 million of CapEx, what should we be thinking in terms of potential revenue contribution and maybe the timing around the ramp-up? Yeah.

As

Eric Vachon

as I mentioned, our our CapEx plan is is progressing very well in the Candiac facility. Roughly, when we acquired the facility, we mentioned that it was a 10,000-ton business.

If we round up numbers, it'll be 15 this year and 20 in 2027. Doing the math of what we had disclosed on the sales when we acquired, you could think about a $100 million in total sales for the facility.

Our plans for the US is a a copy-paste of of the of the footprint, you could extrapolate in along those lines. On the demand side, things are going extremely well.

The the capacity in in in our Quebec facility is sold out for '26 and sold out for '27. Definitely so and we're talking with customers now about projects in '27, '28, up to 2030.

The new facility will actually be very positive for us, welcome, because we do think we'll be able to sell that capacity. It would ultimately give us an opportunity to shift some Canadian production destined for US customers into the US, very favorable for our customers, but then to your point, freeing up to support Canadian Canadian needs as well.

We we have a few cards to play here to optimize and and fill up this capacity, and we're we are very excited with this new project.

Benoit Poirier

Okay. Thank you very much for the time.

Eric Vachon

My pleasure, Benoit.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Maxim Sytchev from National Bank Financial / Capital Markets.

Your line is now open.

Maxim Sytchev

Hi, good morning.

Eric Vachon

Good morning, Maxim.

Maxim Sytchev

I was wondering if it's possible to get a bit more color on the working capital movements, because I think we had a bit of a free-up on inventory in 2025 and as well looking into 2026, and poles volumes being pretty healthy. How, I guess, should we think about that interplay this year?

Thank you.

Silvana Travaglini

Maxim, this is Silvana. Hi.

Basically, I think you could look at it as we've kind of guided in the past where the growth that we would be seeing in the wood-treating business, you would have to assume that we would have to invest about 40% of the sales growth in our wood-treating business as additional working capital. Depending on the assumptions that you put there.

Just want to make sure that I did mention wood-treating business, because obviously the investment in the working capital for the steel is different, right? Brooks is pretty much a stable business that we just acquired, just wanted to make sure that that's sort of taken into account as those calculations are done.

Maxim Sytchev

No, that's fair. Thank you so much.

Then, Eric, I was wondering, because I think in the past obviously you mentioned that there's going to be some cross-selling opportunities between Lockwell, Brooks, etc. I'm just wondering if you can maybe mention some of the early potential discussions with clients, any early wins, anything you can telegraph would be great.

Thank you. Oh,

Eric Vachon

with pleasure, Maxim. We have laid out a plan, and then we're completing a bit of a restructure of our sales team.

Obviously, we don't want three different sales force calling on our customers sort of from the same company. We've restructured our sales team, branding Stella-Jones now as with a broader product offering and introducing the specialists and opening doors.

The team in Candiac, formerly Lockwell, has benefited from the introduction to several new customers in the US, and these customers have engaged very positively, have certified the Quebec facility to produce for them. Back to my earlier comment of the capacity being sold out very quickly, so that has been very positive.

Same for the crossarms. We're making introductions of the Brooks sales team to customers that they were not necessarily involved with in the past.

Brooks didn't have a presence in Canada, and we're actually now courting and bidding some business in Canada, which I find is very interesting to be able to expand that offering into our Canadian footprint. Good indications so far.

Ultimately, if we need to, we could actually bring some of the treating in Canada at some of our facilities to better support some customers. All very positive indications so far.

Maxim Sytchev

Oh, that's great to hear. Then one quick one for Silvana, if I may.

Given the fact that we're greenlighting a facility in the US, is it possible to get an updated CapEx number for 2026 and 2027, by any chance?

Silvana Travaglini

The regular CapEx, as you say, remains between the $85 and the $95 million. In 2026, we would need to add, as the Lockwell facility, we had said $15 million.

Half of it was spent in 2025, the other half will be completed in 2026. For the US lattice tower, half of it is probably going to be completed in 20 we are in 2026

Maxim Sytchev

and

Silvana Travaglini

the second half in 2027.

Maxim Sytchev

Okay. Thank you so much for clarifying.

You're welcome. Yeah.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from James McGarragle from RBC Capital Markets.

Your line is now open.

James McGarragle

Hey, thanks for having me on. Good

Eric Vachon

morning, James.

James McGarragle

I just had a quick question on the tie business. Koppers today, they flagged some headwinds, what you talked about in your opening remarks.

They also alluded to what seemed to be like a significant share gain, maybe a customer win. Then they also talked about, to get that, they had to enact some pretty meaningful price reductions.

I guess with that, it seems like you have good line of sight to 2026, but can you just comment what you expect in terms of the outlook for pricing longer term, as a result of some of these competitive actions by your competitor?

Eric Vachon

Thank you for the question, James. The comment you're making actually refers to one of my earlier thoughts where I'm referring to competitive dynamics in the market.

To your point, there's some business that we did not win because the pricing was not attractive for us. As I also highlighted, although our top-line number has declined in the fourth quarter, we maintained dollar profitability for our railway tie division.

Obviously, because of the sales dynamics, the percentage has increased. We remain very disciplined in how we approach the market.

We've got very strong relationship with our customers, and our competitors have their own game plan, I guess, and we leverage what we sell based on the quality, the service, and the availability of our products. Fully confident with our strategy, and I don't plan on giving up some return on our investment for the railway tie division.

It's a key metric for our organization. I do believe our shareholders care about the returns that we provide to them as a whole, and obviously the railway tie division is part of that dynamics.

I guess that's how I view our business.

James McGarragle

That makes sense. That's clearly evident in the returns on invested capital that you guys put up.

Then just on the utility poles, it seems like maybe coming a little bit higher than the range you put out at your Investor Day in 2026 just given how strong Q4 was, and it seems like that strength carrying into early in the year. Can you just provide some additional insights into the spot pricing?

It seems like it's a little bit weaker. How much weaker is it versus contract rates?

When you talk to these customers who have these very long-term contracts, is there any pressure by them to say, "Hey, spot pricing is this. Can you work with us a little bit on the contract side of things?"

Eric Vachon

For the full year '25, the spot market is maybe 7% to 10% lower, but then again, the spot market is selling a treated wood pole and sometimes the customer picks it up or we deliver versus what we offer to a contract customer is minimum inventories, logistics services, finished good yards. There's lots of services that go into it.

It's not an apples-to-apples comparison when you look at the spot market versus what we do for our contract customers. Because of the long-term relationship, we're ready to stretch ourselves out, and we'll go that extra mile if you want.

The security of supply is key for many of our customers, especially for storm events, spikes in demand. For simply logistics reason, we have customers coming to us asking for peak volume.

We had some of that in the fourth quarter, when one customer came to us saying like, "Look, I'm setting up logistically. Can you deliver this type of volume in the last three, four years of 2025?"

which we did, because we had the depth of inventory. We were able to step up.

Those are the things we do because we have that availability and we stock for our customers. To explain your question on the percentage, we had a bit of a peak with that customer.

Although, we know we're seeing a lot of customers get active here in 2026, so that might explain the above guidance number you're referring to. Then the flip side is, try to compare spot to contract is a bit difficult, because it's not the same offering.

James McGarragle

No, that's great color. I appreciate that, and I'll turn the line over.

Thank you.

Eric Vachon

Thank you, James.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, please press *1 for questions.

Your next question is from Martin Pradier from Veritas Investments. Your line is now open.

Martin Pradier

Hi, thank you. I have two questions.

The first one is in terms of utility poles, when you're saying single digit, does that include Brooks and the steel division? If you could break down a little bit how much would be the utility poles without the two acquisitions and how much will the two acquisitions, each of them, grow your expectation how they're going to grow, like 10%, 15%, or each of them, if you can give us some color on that breakdown?

Yeah.

Eric Vachon

Certainly, thank you, Martin. The guidance we're giving, the mid-single digits, is for wood utility products only, distribution and transmission poles.

With regards to the two other divisions, as we had mentioned, Lockwell, averaged out for full year at full capacity, was going to be like a, let's say, $100 million in growth. For the Brooks business, we're still in the early days, but we bought this at $85 million US sales annually.

I won't put forward a percentage, because we don't segment to that detail. You'll see the acquisitions, but at one point they'll be reported in the utility product and it'll get difficult to carve out.

As I just explained to the previous caller, with our intentions to expand into Canada and offer to other customers, we're definitely hoping at least that mid-single-digit growth, I would say the minimum.

Martin Pradier

That's fair. That gives us an idea.

You benefited a little bit on the residential side because you bought the wood at good price last year, and then you maintained that in the contract. Now, this year, I'm guessing the wood is going to be bought at much lower price, because you're buying around this time.

How much of a difference that could be?

Eric Vachon

It's a great question. Obviously, lumber is a commodity and it fluctuates over time.

If you track lumber prices for the last five years, they do vary significantly. That's why we bookend the sales of the division from 650 from $600 to $650.

You're right, we should see some pricing compression here in the coming year, but I would say relatively marginal. Then, talking with our main customer, who they do expect some growth in the category of products that we service them, it should be an offset.

Still very confident of the similar range in pricing. Then we'll see where the market goes.

As lumber prices have been slightly upticking here since the beginning of the year, we have a few months ahead of us, but we'll be replenishing, well, we replenish every month, but as our inventory average cost trends up if the market keeps going, then we'll be adjusting that pricing. For now, I guess my first part of my answer holds.

Martin Pradier

Great. Thank you.

Eric Vachon

Thank you, Martin.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Michael Tupholme from TD Cowen.

Your line is now open.

Michael Tupholme

Thank you. Good morning.

Eric Vachon

Good morning, Michael.

Michael Tupholme

Hi, Eric. Can you help us understand the company's CapEx profile over 2026 and 2027?

I know you'd given some information about maintenance CapEx annually at your Investor Day, but then there was also this announcement today about the US $50 million for your new lattice facility. Just wondering if you can talk about CapEx expectations for each of the next two years, how that breaks down across maintenance versus growth, and then what sort of the phasing of that CapEx spend over the two years looks like in terms of the quarterly progression?

Eric Vachon

Certainly. Thank thank you, Michael.

I'll walk you through it. For for well, for 2026, we we start with our regular CapEx allocation, made before the upkeep of asset quality, health and safety enhancements, but also productivity gains.

As we explained at Investor Day, that was sitting, at the call it $85 to $95 million bracket. Lockwell, the Lockwell investment is is over and above on that.

We had disclosed a $15 million investment initially. Seven of that was done in 2025, this year in '26, we expect like, let's say, $7 or $8 million to complete the Lockwell project, which will be done by midyear.

Then the US the US lattice facility, we probably think it's about 50-50, the $50 million US would be split between '26 and '27. Call it $25 million US for each of those years, and I'll let you pick your your FX rate to to convert it.

Hopefully, that that's helpful.

Michael Tupholme

No, that's very helpful. Just to clarify, the Lockwell remaining spend is concentrated in the first part of 2026 here?

Oh,

Eric Vachon

yes, 100%, because we plan on being complete by midyear to be able to have the full impact of the new capacity for the back half of the year.

Michael Tupholme

Yeah. Then the US $50 million, that's split roughly evenly, should I just sort of assume that's going to be evenly spread over the quarters for both years, with a bit of a ramp-up period here, I guess, in the first part of the year?

Eric Vachon

If you want to trend it, like we announced it today, you could probably spread it over let's say Q2, Q3, and Q4 for this year, and for 2027, you could do Q1, Q2, Q3, because I do expect the ramp-up to start in that back half there of 2027. I guess that would be my best guidance there.

Michael Tupholme

Okay. No, that's helpful.

Thank you for the detail. Then, I apologize if this was already addressed, but just as relates to the railway ties business and the decline you saw there, sounds like it's all shipment-driven.

Did you give a breakdown between pricing and shipments for that decline? Can you comment on that if you haven't already?

Eric Vachon

It was all volume, Michael. Slight gain on pricing, because obviously we did have well, we maintained improved margins on a percentage basis, as I explained earlier.

The margin dollars remained the same, although we had lower sales, but it's all volume.

Michael Tupholme

I guess the competitive pressures you're alluding to is what's allowing this volume to sort of go elsewhere as opposed to staying with you, but is there any sense as to how that looks going forward? Is there any letup in that competitive dynamic, or how do we think about that going forward?

Eric Vachon

I guess as I mentioned, 2025 was a year of reset for the railway ties. I want to think this is behind us.

We guided earlier in the call that flat for 2026. There's a bit less on the Class 1 side, not much, but very very positive on the commercial side, very active bidding going on right now for projects.

Grants in the US have been reconfirmed here for this year and actually for a couple of more years, it's giving a lot of confidence to our customers to invest in their infrastructure. We were calling it flat for now, and obviously we're waiting to see what happens.

Understand a bit more with consolidation in the market, what is that free-trade deadline going to look like and the impact. A lot of our Class 1 customers have referred to these two events, if you want.

That's why I'm calling them out, because it seems to be a theme with our Class 1 customers.

Michael Tupholme

Got it. Thank you.

I will leave it there.

Eric Vachon

Thank you, sir.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Hamir Patel from CIBC Capital Markets.

Your line is now open.

Hamir Patel

Hi, good morning. Eric, I just wanted to follow up on the tie side.

Koppers is clearly pointing to a significant share gain with one customer. You're pointing to relatively flat tie sales this year, maybe a bit softer on the Class 1 side.

Could you just confirm you haven't lost a book of business with the Class 1, is that fair to say?

Eric Vachon

Yes. We saw readjustment in one Class 1 contract in the back half of the year, but I would say that's behind us here going into '26.

Hamir Patel

Okay. Then just given that they've clearly been more competitive on price, I know your agreements are sort of staggered, but how many of your Class 1 agreements are coming up for renewal this year and how many in 2027?

Eric Vachon

We have four this year and one in 2027.

Hamir Patel

Okay. The timing of when maybe, if any, adjustments are made there, would that really affect more 2027 pricing?

Eric Vachon

Yes, most likely it will.

Hamir Patel

Fair enough. Just turning to res lumber, we've seen Home Depot and some of the other R&R players in the US kind of point to a flattish market this year.

I know Home Depot also pointed to negative comps in Canada, at least in Q4. What are your customers' expectations around volumes for res lumber in 2026?

Eric Vachon

Specifically for, obviously, treated lumber, we don't sell the general lumber market. It's low single-digit growth.

We've seen, well, our main customer has invested a lot in the department we service, giving us more bays to sell products, are bringing in different types of products, such as composites that we distribute, but now they're holding some more stock in the store. There is a good belief from our customers, and it's true on the dealer side that we service that we could see a year with a small pickup, but low single digits.

Hamir Patel

Great. Just last question I had, Eric, I know the multi-year EBITDA margin objectives, 17.5% to 18.5%, would you expect to be near the higher end of that range this year just given you're coming off 2025 that was closer to 19%?

Eric Vachon

Just to call it out, the higher percentage you see does have an insurance gain in there, right? If you adjust for the insurance gain, the EBITDA margin for this year is 18.1%, pretty much in the middle of that guidance.

I don't know if you picked up on it, might not have time to read through the whole MD&A, it's still early on the West Coast, but all to say, if we adjust for that insurance gain, it's sitting at 18.1% in the middle of the range. Really happy we actually delivered three years in a row at 18%.

We're smack in the middle of that guidance, which, I guess, is where most likely analysts yourself and colleagues will sort of end up for now until we get better color on the year, but, yeah, that's pretty happy with our results.

Hamir Patel

Okay. Any maybe unusual weather-related headwinds in Q1 in the US to point to?

Eric Vachon

Far, there's been some snow events, but nothing to impact our business per se. Q1 is always a slower quarter, although we were seeing some good tailwinds from our pole business going into the next year.

The different ice storm events that we saw in the Southeast, Texas, for example, pulled lines down, but not really utility poles. It's pretty normal business for us, with a bit of, obviously, an uptick because of a pickup with four customers who do extra maintenance.

Hamir Patel

Great. Thanks, that's all I had.

Thanks, sir.

Eric Vachon

Great, thank you, Hamir.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Jonathan Goldman from Scotiabank.

Your line is now open.

Jonathan Goldman

Hey, good morning, team, and thanks for taking my questions. Eric, if we look at the waterfall that you guys put out with the IR day going from $3.5 billion of sales to $4 billion in '28, just a few questions here.

The capacity expansion you have going on there in the US, is that factored into this $4 billion, and if not, would it increase the upper end then as that comes online at the end of '27?

Eric Vachon

I guess two parts to your question. One, it is not included in our guidance, and it would be in the following year, right, because if it's online at the end of '27, we'd see most of the benefits in '28 and '29.

Jonathan Goldman

Right. Okay.

Then maybe moving to railway ties, and not to beat a dead horse here, but kind of lower this year than expected. You're calling for flat in '26.

Seems like you kept the guidance of 2% to 3% annual CAGR, so that doesn't apply reacceleration, I guess, in '27 and '28. The industry is pretty flattish generally.

What gives you confidence that you're going to see the growth come back at a higher level to compensate for the shortfall this year and last year?

Eric Vachon

It's a good question. Thank you.

As I mentioned earlier, we have four contracts being negotiated this year, and we're looking at different opportunities to increase our volume with our Class 1 customer base. Commercial business will remain strong till '27, '28, as far as we can see right now with the federal grants being available.

I do think once our Class 1 customers have a better understanding of the impacts of industry consolidation, and hopefully we can normalize or have better line of sight of how the North American Free Trade Agreement will sort of pan out, we should see some greater activity, right? I think the CPKC, who services Canada, the US, and Mexico, feel that they will get better activity on their network once we have a clearer line of sight as to where that agreement goes, as an example, because other Class 1s have referred to the same phenomenon, I guess, or the same aspects.

Jonathan Goldman

I guess relatedly, then, maybe it's the same answer. I think you're talking about flattish ties this year, and that seems to be on volume, consistent with the industry.

I think going back to Benoit's earlier question, if the industry is flat and there's some competitive dynamics going on, do you see some pricing pressure on top of that could take negative organic growth this year?

Eric Vachon

Not really. I think, the guidance for the year in the business is, as you said, is flat.

We've actually discussed some pricing adjustments for this year with many customers. Then we have mechanisms that adjust pricing, so, obviously, the spot market is one thing, but the Class 1 contract business is pretty per the mechanics of the agreements.

Obviously, and I've said it a few times in the past, as we renegotiate these contracts, I'm actually looking for pricing reset just to make sure that we capture inflationary impacts that we've sort of absorbed in the last few years. That's how I think, let's say once we're past this year, in '27, '28, we should benefit from some better pricing.

Jonathan Goldman

That makes sense. I guess one more for me, if we can get an update on capital allocation priorities, specifically maybe you can give us an update on the M&A pipeline and how that's looking today.

Eric Vachon

Certainly, I'll let Silvana answer that question.

Silvana Travaglini

In terms of the capital allocation, obviously, we talked about with the previous callers, the CapEx, so that is always the first priority for the business, the maintenance plus these additional two projects that we have. We will continue, as we said, the buybacks based on the pipeline of M&A, and dividend is always that stable that we rely on every year and that shareholders have confidence in that we keep that stable.

I think for now it's pretty consistent with what we've said, and then I'll let Eric discuss a little bit more the M&A pipeline. Definitely,

Eric Vachon

thank you, Silvana. Obviously, not much we could disclose, but definitely active and talking with potential targets in our new addressable market and our traditional wood-treating business, on the infrastructure part, obviously.

We keep having discussions, healthy ones, and would like to think that we could execute some acquisitions in the coming year. Always difficult to promise a deadline on these things, because, obviously, you have to dance a while with your new partner to understand the dynamics of a transaction, but, yeah, we're definitely still active and looking at acquisitions.

Jonathan Goldman

Thanks for all the color. I'll get back in queue.

Eric Vachon

Thank you, sir.

Operator

Thank you. We have no further questions in the queue.

Please proceed.

Eric Vachon

Thank you, Jenny. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today, and we look forward to updating you when we release our first quarter results.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's call.

Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.