Glenn Corrie
...shareholders and welcome to our Q2 webinar. Thanks for joining today.
As Simon said, I'm joined on the call by Tom Kolenc, our Chief Operating Officer. Tom has been with us for 18 months.
I'll let him introduce himself shortly, but he's been at the forefront of a lot of our strategic projects, been managing a lot of the graphite monetization work that we continue to share. Importantly, he's also been at the interface with KBR, and he'll share some of those insights with us all shortly.
Together, we will present the results from the quarter, our quarterly results, or at least our report was out last week. We'll also share some other highlights.
We've received quite a few questions in the last few days, we'll try and get through most of those this morning. If we don't, we'll endeavor to get back to you as soon as possible.
Tom, over to you for a very quick introduction before we get stuck in.
Tom Kolenc
No worries. Thanks very much, Glenn.
Good morning, everyone. My name's Tom Kolenc.
I'm Chief Operating Officer here at Hazer, and as Glenn said, I've been here now for 18 months. I've spent more than 25 years in upstream energy across major oil and gas companies and also mid-caps, as well as startups as well.
Previously, I've held roles with Woodside Energy, with ENI, the Italian operator, also Jade Stone Energy, and then, more recently, with GR Production Services as their executive general manager. What drew me to Hazer?
Just as a quick side note, I guess, look, having been here for 18 months, I think it's still the most promising decarbonization technology for the energy industry. I think that what stands it apart is really its scalability and the ability to actually deliver clean energy where it's needed.
Nothing's really changed since I first sort of came across the company, and I still feel very confident that this technology is on the right track. I'm very happy to be here today, and I'm looking forward to sharing the results with you.
Glenn Corrie
Great. Thanks, Tom.
All right. If we can just move, Simon, on to the third slide.
Great. Look, I know everyone's familiar with our vision and mission, just a recap on our technology for those that are not necessarily that familiar with it.
We transform methane emissions. Methane is 25 times more harmful than CO2.
We convert those emissions into clean energy in the form of clean hydrogen and critical minerals in the form of a very high-purity form of graphite. I like to talk about the technology as one technology that serves three markets: the hydrogen market, the graphite market or the critical mineral market, as well as overall industry decarbonization.
We're at the forefront of the energy transition, if you like, but the really important aspects of our tech that are, I guess, the differentiators and the competitive advantages is that we're low cost, we're a pragmatic, practical, scalable solution, as you will see again today, that integrates into existing facilities and is available to decarbonize a very, very dirty industry today. You'll see again the size of the industry, the size of the problem, and the size of the opportunity for Hazer and our advancing technology.
In terms of our agenda, which is the next slide, we're going to effectively just recap on our highlights for the quarter. We will then do a brief update on the hydrogen market, touch a little bit on graphite.
Tom will talk to the technology scale-up and our go-to-market strategy. We'll come back and talk about steel, that Whyalla opportunity that we've talked about in December last year, the POSCO extension, there's been a lot going on in steel.
Hazer graphite, of course, the other part of our technology, a corporate update, the catalysts for the next 12 or 18 months, and then open up the call for our Q&A. Just jumping straight into our highlights.
Thank you, Simon. We posted a solid quarter of performance.
We continue to build on those foundations, those important foundations of commercialization, and set that stage for a pivotal calendar year ahead. Firstly, we're making really good traction with KBR.
Not forgetting, we only signed this deal back in May last year. We got working in earnest in June and July of 2025.
We've made excellent progress on the design package and the commercial scale-up, not forgetting that we are designing and developing large-scale commercial facilities that are capable of decarbonizing one of the world's dirtiest industries. It's a massive piece of work.
We could not be doing it without KBR in terms of the design package. It is on track for this quarter to at least get in front of customers and give them the dimensions of what they're faced with in terms of integrating our tech into their facilities.
In parallel, the global marketing campaign with KBR is also in flight, and Tom will talk to that shortly. Secondly, we cut our first Hazer-KBR transaction with Energy Pathways.
Good to get out of the blocks with our alliance with Energy Pathways. It did gain UK government recognition during the quarter, which gives it access to some good fast-track approvals.
That project has now progressed through to revenue-generating project, which is the second for the company, but the first for the alliance. Big things in front of us there.
It was a pretty big quarter as well for steel, there's a bit of a deep dive in the pack on steel and how Hazer fits into the overall process. We joined forces with the group called M Resources.
We're very excited about this partnership, and we are really strengthening their bid for Whyalla. We'll talk about that a little bit shortly to the extent we can.
In addition to that, we also signed an extension to our strategic partnership with POSCO, after some very positive graphite testing results that they've been undertaking over the past six to 12 months. In terms of graphite, product development, market development, progress is still going on.
Hazer graphite has now been confirmed suitable in a number of industries: cement, steel, of course, and we're looking very closely now at asphalt and bitumen, really big markets, really big opportunities there for our graphite, as well as other industries. Then finally, we continue to engage constructively with governments at the federal level, at the state level, and we continue to see improving policy framework at the federal level, which is very important, starting to recognize methane pyrolysis and what Hazer does as a viable clean hydrogen pathway, we'll talk more about that as well.
In terms of numbers, we ended the quarter, or in fact we start the year, with over $17 million funding position or cash position. That was bolstered during the quarter by over $5.5 million of inflows that came from the R&D rebate, that came from a million and a bit that came out of the capital raise proceeds that was approved at the AGM.
Thank you to shareholders for approving that. Our cash burn, you'll see, is down substantially quarter on quarter, about 30%, and year on year for the same quarter, it's down 40%.
We continue to strip out CapEx, strip out any residual OpEx out of the business, and that gives us that extended runway through what we consider to be some fairly significant milestones ahead of us. Looking ahead, we continue to maintain that strong liquidity.
We've got more grant funds in the pipeline. We've got revenues flowing from Canada and now the UK.
I'd expect that trend to continue and, in fact, increase as we mature those projects, and not forgetting that we don't have that $4 to $5 million that KBR are contributing in that 7. 17.2 either, so that's additional to the work, but that's offsetting a lot of the work that Hazer is doing on the ground.
Our pipeline, I'll talk about shortly, but that's increased to 51. It's more about quality over quantity, but, again, just illustrating that we continue to see strong demand for the tech, and I'll give a bit of insight into that very shortly.
Just moving to the hydrogen market, excuse me. Look, it's a big market, big problem with a big prize, okay?
This is the problem that we're trying to solve, which is, currently, the addressable market for Hazer is about 100 million tons, and then you'll see that on the bar on the left. To put that in context, people often ask, "How big is that?"
Actually, it's valued at $206 million, sorry, $206 billion, an order of magnitude out there, but that in context is effectively equivalent to the global iron ore market. You can give some scale to this.
All of that is produced with steam methane reforming, an incredibly carbon-intensive process, 1 ton of hydrogen, 10 tons of CO2, and it's responsible as a total industry for 920 million tons. Again, in context, that is two times Australia's total CO2 emissions today.
It's a massive industry with a massive problem that Hazer has the opportunity to disrupt. The growth you'll see on the right, ammonia three times in the next 25 years, but steel, 10x between now and 2050, and we're starting to see that.
The deal flow is increasing in steel. We've been public on two opportunities.
We're very well placed with ammonia with KBR. They're the world's leader in ammonia technology, as well as methanol, and we've got the deal flow now coming through steel.
We're well placed on those growth industries, and we've got a very exciting period ahead in terms of our ability to disrupt today's industry, not the future industries, but today's industry. A few words on graphite.
It's still a very hot market. It's a critical mineral of the highest order.
The US, the UK, EU, Australia, of course, have got it at the top of the list. It's a major component of the energy transition, and it's a major sovereign risk as China continues to control the supply side, and Tom will talk about the opportunities we've got on graphite very shortly.
In terms of how the industry is playing out, we continue to see methane pyrolysis coming of age. Some of you have picked up the news flow, where we're witnessing a shift, there's growing industry support, government investor support for the technology as a viable hydrogen pathway on the back of the challenges that green hydrogen faced over the last two or three years.
ExxonMobil has now come into this space. They are one of the world's largest publicly listed companies.
They're $0.5 trillion. They've teamed up with BASF to develop a technology, so that's a really big signpost for the industry as well as the technology.
I'm very confident that's going to spur demand from others in this space, like Shell and Chevron and ConocoPhillips and others that see this as a viable technology. KBR, of course, it's a growth pillar for them.
We teamed up with them exclusively to get ahead of the game last year, and we're also seeing a big shift with government policy and changes. The UK, the US, Japan, all recognize methane pyrolysis now as a viable pathway, and I'll talk shortly to how Australia is now gauging this through the Guarantee of Origin scheme, which is now seeking consultation on methane pyrolysis.
In summary, the industry, the government, the investor support is all starting to gain momentum, and that's very exciting for our company and our technology this year. Tom, good time to talk to, I think technology scale-up and the go-to-market strategy.
Thank you.
Tom Kolenc
Thanks, Glenn. So, just a quick recap, KBR, one of the world's largest engineering companies, and we signed up with them, about nine months ago now, it's been a heck of a whirlwind nine months.
Getting up to speed with a playbook of a major multinational that scales up technologies has been a bit challenge for us, and, I think that, getting these early days out of the way, getting the first run on the board, I think has been a real game changer for us. It sort of puts us in a position where we are confident that this model works, and we're seeing, the first paid study starting to come through, so that that's that's the line of sight that we see to to real growth.
We've got a, basically, an 11-year term with KBR, and, that's backed by a $3 million US contribution from them. Engineering services and support, in-kind marketing, all sorts of, I guess growth tools that we need are being provided and supported by KBR for us.
KBR's engineering is is sort of world class and well known, and many people will know KBR as the company that delivers some of the largest megaprojects in the world in the billions of dollars. KBR's technology division is a completely separate division that licenses into a lot of those projects, and we are one of 80 technologies that's licensed by KBR into those projects.
There's a lot of, new and emerging technologies that KBR continues to incubate and grow and and help sort of turn the corner, but there's also the real traditional KBR technologies like the ammonia licensing that, just very briefly, ammonia licensing for the ammonia plants that produce the fertilizer around the world, KBR licenses about 50% of those. They have a a very traditional playbook on how to make these really large-scale technology licenses and then also a growth playbook as well, which we're really locked into.
So, we're firmly in execution mode at the moment with KBR. We're following the bouncing ball.
We're following the standard process that they use for developing and growing a technology. We've secured our first revenue-generating study, and, we're part of the Net Zero Portfolio.
So, the big thing now that we're working with KBR is those larger trains and larger projects so that we can engage with the biggest companies in the world for industrial decarbonization and making sure that our large-scale single-train capacities are really solid. Just one last thing to mention on that, the cultural fit between KBR and us, we we, feel pretty lucky, actually.
We've got similar values and cultures. They're a real creative and inquisitive-type engineering organization, and we get a lot of that really good feedback between us that we seem to work pretty well together.
We, scaling up their technologies or scaling up technologies is what KBR's DNA is all about. Like, that's how they've built their company to the scale that it is today, and then following the scale-up to deployment and multi sort of industry and and multi-global, technology deployments are are what they're really good at.
We we do feel like we've found a a very high-quality partner in KBR, and and we, we're working as closely as we can with them to to really scale up with them. Next slide, please, Simon.
Marketing-wise, they started off sort of extracting all of our information and all our existing marketing, information to develop all of the package of of marketing tools that they have. They need tools that they can actually deploy through their website, and if you go onto their website, you'll see that we're in the Clean Ammonia and Decarbonization section of their website today.
They're also fantastic on LinkedIn and marketing and promotion and just getting out there, at conferences all around the world. They're at the major global conferences, everything from the ADIPEC conference in Abu Dhabi recently to, I believe, they'll be in Barcelona in two weeks, again, promoting the technology and really pushing that this is a new solution for industrial decarb.
It fits into the industrial decarb toolkit that they use when they talk to their major clients. One thing we like about the way that they do their marketing is that they're actually quite responsive to market forces and market changes.
One month we'll be talking about how do we make sure we've got clean hydrogen in the best markets in the world, and the next month we're talking about structural, infrastructure projects and how we can actually make sure we've got a solution that works with steel or works with concrete. They do move pretty quickly.
Next slide, please, if we can go on to how we're going, fir- so run run number one on the board. So, the the, Marram Energy Storage Hub project that Energy Pathways, have developed and are developing in the west of the UK near the Lake District is a complex, integrated energy project.
And, for KBR and Hazer together, this is our first paid concept-level, concept engineering study. It's great.
We're we're working really closely with KBR, but we actually really like the way Energy Pathways does their business as well. They're integrated, really well with the local community, the local government, and also their national government as well, the UK government has actually designated this project as a project of national significance, it's actually National Energy Significance project.
It covers everything that Hazer has wanted to do, we've got the hydrogen conversion project and the technology there from methane, we've also got the integration to KBR's ammonia technology as well. And, EPP is, able to get to fast-tracking the government approvals.
They've got, government support from the ministerial level, they've got focal points that they can work with to make sure that we don't have any of the usual large-scale roadblocks when we're doing the engagement, but at the same time, they seem to be very connected on the ground as well. For us, it's a 20,000-ton-per-annum Hazer facility, it's right in that sweet spot for size for economics.
The study, will be ongoing for the next couple of months. Feasibility scope progresses for hydrogen, ammonia, and graphite production, and EPP are actually actively looking for, ways to deploy graphite at both that industrial large-scale supply, but also at the high-end supply as well, which we think is very exciting.
We're leveraging the the KBR alliance for that ammonia integration with their traditional ammonia, technology. From a COO's perspective, just operationally, I'd just like to say that with the commercialization strategy that Hazer has been on, this is the operationalization of it, if that's a word.
We're actually now doing what we says us it we do on the box. We're actually doing those concept studies, we're moving them towards FEED-ready, and this is actually the the actual pathway that we see the company is best suited for to actually grow to the next stage.
I'll hand back to Glenn, here to talk a bit about, the, sales pipeline.
Glenn Corrie
All right. Thanks, Tom.
Ben and the team at Energy Pathways are doing great things on the ground. They're also really exploring that graphite market as well, Tom, in the UK, which is also getting a lot of momentum, we're excited about that project.
The pipeline is here. We've updated it a little bit.
You'll see we've added the live projects that we've got. We've got that first-mover advantage, we think, importantly, in Asia, Europe, and a bit of North America.
You will have seen in the last quarter, we were sitting at around 45 active global customer leads. That's sort of risen to over 50 now.
To give you a bit of color on what's come in, we've actually had three new steel opportunities on the back of our announcements of POSCO and Whyalla, the steel industry, as we'll talk about shortly, is really getting a lot of momentum. We had one EV company out of Europe that it's exploring and looking at the not just the hydrogen side, but also the graphite side, and one large gas and power utility out of Asia-Pac, and also one carbon trading group in the US.
We continue to see big demand for the tech. Asia-Pac is starting to really get a lot of pace as they have limited opportunities to decarbonize, and methane pyrolysis fits just beautifully into the supply chains in those areas that have limited access to carbon capture and renewables.
We continue to explore opportunities there. If you club all of those opportunities in those blobs together, our pipeline adds up to about 1.5 million tons per annum, and as you remember from the first slide or one of the earlier slides, that's over 1.5% of the global demand today, it's a big pipeline.
Of course, we work through it systematically. We've also had some shareholders and observers reach out and offer up some opportunities, which we love.
One that I will call out is an RFP in the US called MACH2, which is the Mid-Atlantic Clean Hydrogen Hub that is out there at the moment seeking proposals from hydrogen suppliers for $1 a kilogram, and on the back of that, with ability to secure hydrogen offtake in 2030, and it fits a lot of the opportunities that we've got, and it ticks a lot of boxes for Hazer. We continue to be active on the ground globally with our pipeline.
Just shifting gears to steelmaking, we had a lot going on in the quarter with steel, and Tom will talk to some of the opportunities very shortly. Just so that everybody's aware of how our technology fits into steel, this was in our Whyalla announcement, but just a little bit of an explanation.
Steel, of course, is a massive industry with a massive problem. It's 8% of the world's CO2.
Our tech is actually a very perfect fit for steelmaking, very strong synergies, and everything ties together for us. As depicted in that illustration, there's clean hydrogen that's used in the direct reduction process of iron ore into iron, and it's got a built-in graphite offtake because graphite is used extensively in the production of carbon steelmaking, in particular, in the use of a recarburizer in the electric arc furnace.
It really is where both prongs of our technology fit wonderfully into one application, and that built-in graphite offtake is just so valuable for us. There's other synergies.
Of course, we use an iron ore catalyst, and that's consistent with steelmaking. We produce and can produce hot hydrogen that integrates into the DRP process, that minimizes energy intensity of the overall process and, importantly, the economies of scale.
It's a large industry that needs a large solution, and, of course, with Hazer's fluidized bed reactor, we're capable of getting up to very, very large scales that fit nicely into steelmaking. It's a lot where everything comes together for Hazer, and that's really an extension of several opportunities that Tom will talk to now in terms of Whyalla.
Thanks, Tom.
Tom Kolenc
Thanks, Glenn. The Whyalla clean steel bid, I'll just give a quick update there.
The process for the sale of the Whyalla Steelworks is a government-led and highly confidential process, there are limits into what we can share. As publicly announced, Hazer has entered into a binding MOU with M Resources, recognizing Hazer's ability to decarbonize steel.
M Resources have submitted their bid as part of the process to acquire the Whyalla Steelworks. Hazer's technology was a key component of their bid and provides the decarb component.
KBR is also supporting the M Resources bid. KBR has a long history of supporting large infrastructure projects in South Australia, including at Whyalla itself.
KBR knows the lay of the land and the ground really well. Look, we're genuinely excited about Hazer's ability to decarbonize the Whyalla opportunity, but also, more broadly, it's just another recognition that the Hazer technology aligns with steelmaking very, very well.
It's something that we feel is probably one of the best fits that there is going around for how you can deploy Hazer.
Glenn Corrie
Just on POSCO, thanks, Tom. On POSCO, you will have seen we extended our strategic partnership with POSCO.
They are the sixth-largest steelmaker. In fact, they're the largest outside of China.
We're very privileged to be partnering with POSCO in integrating and deploying our tech into clean steel, particularly in South Korea, and on the back of a lot of successful graphite testing over the last quarter, that extension has been signed. Again, big industry, big player.
Their FINEX process is very advanced. Again, it's a DRP electric arc furnace process.
We're now focused, having gone through that stage gate of graphite testing, we're now developing the next steps for the project. That's something to look out for over the course of the next year or so.
A really important partnership for us as we continue to highlight the importance of our technology and its fit into steelmaking. That's probably a natural transition into graphite.
Perhaps, Tom, if you wouldn't mind talking to sort of where we are with application testing and the next phase of our graphite monetization plan? Yeah.
Tom Kolenc
Absolutely. Thanks very much, Glenn.
Just to call out, I guess, this is probably one of the most integrated team efforts that Hazer has done over many years. The graphite has been studied by the universities.
It has been developed in all sorts of different applications, and I think now it's sort of coming to a natural business case development. It's really come out of the research and study, and something to call out, we'll move on very quickly from this slide, but something to call out is that the Hazer graphite is an absolutely unique product.
It is not standard graphite. It has its own unique properties.
It's not carbon black, and it's not other products as well. The research has given us the insight into what this product is, and now the application development uses that research to actually be able to deliver it to the largest global markets.
Just moving on to the next slide there, please, Simon. The Hazer graphite being this versatile and valuable product, what we've gone and done basically is we've assessed our graphite across a number of different industries, and it continues to be very encouraging from the results.
Where you can see from the strategy that we're looking is for the world's largest markets where we have the largest consumption of carbon-based product that is around the world. If you think about concrete, concrete is the most significant man-made product in the world in terms of volume.
Our strategy, I think that over the last year, especially, we've really refined this strategy to target very specifically the response to market movements, but also the focus on these large-volume markets with a genuine direct drop-in application. What I mean by that is that straight out of the back of the reactor with no post-processing, this product can be dropped straight into these applications, and that's where we've been really looking.
The key for this obviously is that the attractive price point, we have a minimum price that we're targeting, and what we're seeing is that at the moment, typically, above $500 US a ton is where we're aiming to deploy our graphite. Priority markets that are emerging for us, iron and steel manufacturing is definitely really high on the priorities just because of what we talked about before with the synergies in using the hydrogen as well as the graphite.
Concrete additives is another one where you actually see pretty promising results so far, and more to come, and also asphalt binders. Now, customers there are seeking lower emissions carbon products.
They're trying to get away from either the high-CO2 products that are post-generated or from the mined products as well. These are sort of the largest addressable markets that we've been able to identify in the world where we get that price point that we're really chasing.
At the same time, and Glenn mentioned it before, we continue to receive strong inbound interest from critical minerals applications. EV manufacturers, battery manufacturers, defense applications, high-value sectors, these are much more longer-term qualification processes, and they will require post-processing.
We've set up our strategy to be short-term large-scale addressable drop-in market and medium- and long-term post-processing markets so that we can continue to address those inbounds as they come to us. Ultimately, they're not going away, and we need to be able to support that critical minerals view.
Finally, our recent MOU with Kemira sort of really strengthens that view with that and the work we're already doing through our Veolia partnership that this particular type of graphite with its properties has some promising opportunities in water treatment as well. That just shows sort of the breadth of capability of this specific Hazer graphite and its unique properties.
Back to you, Glenn.
Glenn Corrie
Yeah. Thanks, Tom.
I was on a call with the DOE last night actually in the US, and graphite is an absolute priority for the US at the moment and, arguably, over and above hydrogen. It's quite a nice fit for us that we can effectively take a gas feedstock and can effectively convert that into hydrogen, but also a critical mineral that is so desperately in need in some of these developing nations or developed nations.
Just wrapping up in terms of the corporate side, we just included a bit of an update on government policy just because we see things changing. We've actually had the ARENA board and management at site, which was an excellent engagement.
We've come a long way since they backed us back in 2020 or thereabouts. The CDP, of course, operated very successfully.
The tech is going to market, it's a success story in that respect. The pipeline has grown enormously, I think they were pleased to see the progress that we'd made.
We talked a lot about emissions. We talked a lot about cost positioning of Hazer relative to green hydrogen and all the other hydrogen pathways, and I genuinely believe that these engagements are super critical for Hazer as policy continues to evolve.
We're starting to see that shift, some of you may have seen, but the Guarantee of Origin scheme is now out for formal consultation on an amendment that we expect to include methane pyrolysis. That's strong recognition of Hazer and strong recognition of this extremely viable pathway.
I also spent time in Canberra. I had a privilege of meeting with Minister Husic, the Minister for Industry and Science, an excellent conversation, keeping Hazer relevant in Canberra, but also at the policy level.
I met with the Climate Change Authority, the Critical Minerals Office, of course, just to position Hazer and how we fit into the sort of the ecosystem of decarbonization technologies that are available. Really good feedback on the tech, the progress, but also the funding programs that are available and the grants that are out there now.
It's much broader than it ever was. There's industry programs around clean steel, green iron, Whyalla, specifically.
There's over, I think, at least a billion dollars being allocated to Whyalla from the federal government. There's liquid fuels, critical minerals, they're all open, and we're all exploring all of those.
At the state level, as well, WA, South Australia's earmarked $400 million specifically for Whyalla technology. We're hunting down and exploring all of these opportunities, and we're very well positioned where we are as a company and an advanced technology.
I think that's pretty close to the end. I think if we just move to the next slide and then open up the call for Q&A, I've seen a bunch of questions come through already, we're keen to get on to those.
In terms of our next 12 months, we're going to continue to come out with updates of what the timeline and the milestones look like. This year is really all about converting pipeline into licenses, and that's a strategic imperative for us.
I hope you can see the signposts are there: the partnerships, the early runs on the board, the design package is there, the pipeline is growing, the funding position is strong, we're in a very, very good position to execute on those projects and opportunities that give us that pathway into licenses. We're going to leverage KBR, we're going to leverage all of the work that we're doing with graphite, and just a reminder that one deal here, one sizable deal at 50,000 tons per annum, is in our economic model worth about $80 to $100 million of license revenue.
You can see the size of the prizes there, and that's what we're focused on effectively realizing. We've got to advance our key projects through FEED and contracts.
We've had a few questions on Fortis, and we'll talk to that as well throughout the quarter. We're building momentum again there, and we're moving forward very positively.
We paused a little bit as we went in to Christmas, but we're fully aligned with Fortis, and we've got a plan of attack there, and we'll come out with more information on that shortly. Whyalla's a real game changer, as Tom identified for us.
It could be very transformational project and strategic not just for Hazer, but for Whyalla as well as for Australia. We're really excited about being in the mix there, and we know our technology's a differentiator.
Graphite monetization strategy is coming together. Look out for near-term updates on that, our strategic partnerships, our offtake signposts, and then finally, unlocking new growth, new strategic partners, new investors, new deals, new markets.
That's the focus of the company at the moment, those four pillars of our strategy. Of course, that's underpinned by a robust financial strategy, and a can-do attitude from the team.
2026 is really shaping up to be an exciting year for Hazer: strong tech, tailwinds of the market, the government tailwinds, the deep pipeline, the partnerships, and the funding position, and we're really excited about delivering. Simon, should we just turn to the Q&A?
I've just noticed we've kind of about 35 minutes or so, and keen to get some questions going. Yes.
Yep, we've got about 35 minutes or so,
Moderator
and we had probably 12 come in before we started today already, let's just dive in, start with those. Yep.
Kapil Setha emailed earlier about a KBR selecting a biomethanol project in the Middle East. Yep.
Given the KBR-Hazer alliance and the overlap work with the demonstration plant, are there active discussions ongoing with KBR to use the Hazer tech for this plant?
Glenn Corrie
Yep. No, that's a good question, Kapil.
Look, I can't comment on specific announcements that we're going to make or will or may make, but KBR in particular has an extensive and strong relationship with many players in the Middle East. There's a number of big Middle East projects that are available or open at the moment, as you've identified.
We are throwing those into the pipeline. They're all under consideration.
The Middle East continues to be a very strategic market for us. It's got low gas prices.
It's a big ammonia, probably one of the largest ammonia markets in the world, along with methanol. Big capital, big players, they're not necessarily the fastest out of the blocks, but they are slower burners, but potentially very big projects and too big to ignore.
Definitely a strategic market that we'll continue to look into with the right partners. All right, well,
Moderator
there's been a couple on M Resources, I'll try and put those together. Atosha asked, "How did the M Resources partnership come about, and why were they considered to be a good partner?
I guess if they don't be selected, do you think there's an option for you to still be used in whoever is selected?"
Glenn Corrie
Very good. You might have picked up, Atosha, in the announcement that we're partly a free agent, of course, that if, and we've had this discussion, of course, with M Resources in terms of their ability to win, and if they don't, what happens.
Look, we've known a lot of the M Resources team separately for quite some time, there's an established relationship there. It was a natural discussion as they moved into the process.
We got to know what they were doing and how they were sort of thinking about the decarbonization aspects of Whyalla. They've made an assessment of Hazer, but also other techs, methane pyrolysis technologies.
They chose us, as well as electrolyzers. They know there's a massive difference between us and electrolyzers.
It's literally night and day. It was clear from the get-go that Hazer could be a very strong fit for that project and the whole decarbonization plans for that region.
It moved fast as we got into the back end of last year, and so we got talking about how we sort of would bring this together. We got involved with them.
We sort of papered it all up, and from what I've seen, I know Tom has said that we're obviously under confidentiality, strict confidentiality, it's a government process, but what I can say is from what I've seen of the bid and how Hazer fits into it techno-economically, I'm very confident that their bid is a very, very strong one. We are going into this very positively.
It's a process that will take a bit of time, but it's a very strategic project for everybody involved, we're, again, excited about the opportunity with them.
Moderator
All right, excellent. Let's just move straight into Fortis.
Has a site been identified? I know you sort of touched on it briefly, and there's a few other questions about Fortis.
Can you just give an up- quick update on that?
Glenn Corrie
I've seen those, Simon. Good questions.
Look, more broadly, the project's going well. We would have liked to have provided an update at the back end of last year.
I think Christmas and New Year got in the way and holidays and the like, but we're back at it. I know FEED are under the desk.
It's a large project. It's advancing well in strong collaboration with FortisBC.
We engage frequently. I know Tom is dealing with the team in Canada weekly, if not daily, at the moment on aspects of the project.
Our focus is on project maturation: site, FEED, completing FEED with the right partner, and getting the project to a development FID. They do take time.
We're making good progress, and we're exploring ways to continue to accelerate. How do we accelerate this project?
I know from Nick and Joe and the team in Canada, it's a priority project for Fortis. It's got government backing, government support.
They've chucked $11 million Canadian behind it, and, again, just keep an eye out. We expect to make an update on that project in the near term.
Moderator
All right. Can you elaborate on the status of the larger reactors?
Glenn Corrie
Tom, do you mind starting taking that one?
Tom Kolenc
Yeah. Take that one if you like, Glenn.
Thanks. Look, the design package we're working on at the moment is a design package which is fundamentally built around our proprietary reactor hardware design.
Where we've targeted the base design is 30,000 tons per annum of production, which is already significantly large in terms of hydrogen production. The design that we have developed has the ability to be scaled up or down from that point.
One of the key elements of our design was we didn't want to go with something which was sort of scale up, scale up, scale up to the point where we hit a limit. What we decided to do is go for actually quite a big reactor design and then be able to scale it both ways, down and up.
We can go all the way down to prototyping and all the way up to 50, maybe 100,000 tons per annum single-train capacity, but I don't want to push our CTO too hard on what the maximum size would be. The concept of fluidized bed reactors has been around for a really long time.
It's a well-trodden path, and so we work with the world's experts in fluidization, in process design and in these reactors so that we are confident that we're not going to sort of invent anything brand new here. We're just using the best in the industry to get it exactly right.
Some of the principle challenges that we have, that are the areas that we feel we've actually had the most opportunity to succeed is in optimization of heat, the conversion basis, and the quality of the product. If we're comfortable that these are actually under control at this 30,000-ton design, this gives us the capacity to be able to move up and down from there.
It's something that we know is a huge challenge for the industry, and having those ones really under control, I think, is actually key for us.
Glenn Corrie
Yeah.
Moderator
Thanks, Tom. I think let's probably move to graphite, because there's quite a few on graphite, and so Dave sent this one in, but it covers quite a few of the others there as well.
Are there applications for Hazer graphite that are now good to go, no further testing needed?
Glenn Corrie
Tom, I'll let you jump in. I think, look, with the graphite work that we've been doing is extensive, as Tom explained.
We're working at it internally, we work with all of these strategic partners, Kemira the latest. I get often asked about why an MOU.
MOUs in our view are value-creating, because we have partners that actually do work and contribute to the overall strategy of the company, and it often comes as part of the collaboration. In Kemira's example, we're doing work with water treatment alongside some of the work that we're doing with Veolia out of France.
There's a lot of work going on. We've identified, as Tom said, some strategic markets in asphalt, cement, asphalt, bitumen, steelmaking as priority markets, what we'd call drop-in, limited or no post-processing or preprocessing before they go into the particular application, but they're large markets that have got what we call high confidence to them.
Their pricing ranges can be anywhere between $300, $400 US a ton and over $600 or $700 a ton, and that's consistent with our economic model, and, of course, that adds great value to the technology and the techno-economics, but also the overall cost of supply of both the graphite and the hydrogen product. Lots of markets, we're prioritizing them.
Tom, anything to add on that?
Tom Kolenc
Probably just add one thing. No further testing required, ultimately, your end user, say, for example, is the concrete manufacturer, will do their own testing as well.
We can go with a product which we say is good to go, and that end user will actually conduct their own tests, because they're going to have to demonstrate to the infrastructure project or the government or whoever that it is actually as good as what we say. There will always be that end-user component to the testing, but that shouldn't stop us from actually having everything certified, ready to go so that end user can actually do their final testing.
Glenn Corrie
Yeah. Steel's built-in and is a built-in offtake.
That's a beautiful way of thinking about it, that the carbon actually goes into the production of carbon steelmaking. It's a pure sequestration of CO2 as well.
There's a lot of benefits. We don't often call out our graphite as lower emissions, and we should more frequently, frankly.
Effectively, the emissions associated with our graphite and the way policy is shifting is a very valuable product not just from an application perspective, but also from an emissions perspective and a pricing point as well.
Moderator
All right, I reckon we've probably got time for two more. David Saul sent this one earlier, "Is there any outstanding ARENA grant money due for the operation of the CDP?"
Glenn Corrie
Thank you, David. Yes, there is.
In fact, there's other grant funding available to us as well. I think it's around $1 million, and some of that's going to be released this year.
That's another form of non-dilutive. On top of that, I think we've got two and $2 and a bit million from JTSI, the Western Australian government, which has got some milestones coming up as well.
These are very valuable funding inflows for us, because they're non-dilutive, and they contribute to the growth strategy of the firm. There's other grants in the pipeline as well, there's Industry Growth Program and some of those other grants that I mentioned, we're going to lob in bids on some of those as well.
Moderator
All right, and a final one here. Does Hazer have any analyst coverage, and if so, has that had a positive effect on the register?
Glenn Corrie
Yes, we do. It's a good time to perhaps call out our analysts, actually.
We've got on coverage Declan Bonnick from Euroz. Declan initiated, I think, last year, or maybe in the year before, but very good initiation report.
He does updates frequently. I think his target price is sitting at somewhere between $0.70, $0.80.
We've also got Phillip Pepe from Shaw and Partners, who covers us. I think his target price is also in that same sort of range over the next 12 months, $0.70 to $0.80.
I think if you'd like to get hold of their research reports, then either reach out to us or reach out to the brokers directly, and I'm sure they can get you a copy. They're excellent analysts.
They've been across energy, tech, and the space for a long time. We're privileged to have both of them on board, and I'm also confident that we're going to probably pick up a few more analysts this year, and see what we can do with getting them to site and closer to the technology.
Moderator
All right. Thanks, everyone who joined us today, and thank you to Glenn and Tom for the presentation.
Glenn, I might just turn back to you for a closing comment before I hit the end button.
Glenn Corrie
Look, I don't have anything more to say other than thank you for supporting us. Look, we're in a really good position.
We did a lot of work last year to set the foundations for calendar year 2026. I feel like we're in a very good position.
I know sometimes some of these things don't go as fast as we'd like. You probably don't appreciate that I'm the most impatient person in the world, join the club.
We've got a very good tech. It's a very, very strong tech.
We've got a strong partner in KBR. We have got, I think, the turning tailwinds now of government support worldwide, including in Australia.
We've got that deep pipeline of opportunities that's growing, also in Australia, that's getting momentum, and we've got that extended runway, that funding runway of over $17 million to enable us to, effectively, kick some important goals for the company and the technology. Again, thank you for joining the call today, and we'll endeavor to get back to you all with answers to the questions that we weren't able to cover today.
Thank you.
Moderator
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