Ichor Holdings

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Q4 FY2025 · Earnings Call TranscriptFebruary 9, 2026

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Ichor's fourth-quarter and fiscal year 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.

Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will be given at that time. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star zero on your telephone keypad.

As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Claire McAdams, Investor Relations for Ichor.

Please go ahead.

Claire McAdams

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining today's fourth-quarter and fiscal 2025 conference call.

As you read our earnings press release, and as you listen to this conference call, please recognize that both contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond our control, and which could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements.

These risks and uncertainties include those spelled out in our earnings press release, those described in our annual report on Form 10-K for fiscal year 2024, and those described in subsequent filings with the SEC. You should consider all forward-looking statements in light of those and other risks and uncertainties.

Additionally, we will be providing certain non-GAAP financial measures during this conference call. Our earnings press release and the financial supplement posted to our IR website each provide a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to their most comparable GAAP financial measures.

On the call with me today are Phil Barros, our CEO, and Greg Swyt, our CFO. Phil will begin with an update on our business, and then Greg will provide additional details about our results and guidance.

After the prepared remarks, we will open the line for questions. I'll now turn over the call to Phil Barros.

Phil?

Phil Barros

Thank you, Claire, and welcome everyone to our Q4 earnings call. As we enter 2026, there's a lot to be excited about.

Ichor is entering its next phase of growth with increased momentum and a clear strategy. Since we last spoke in November, and again during our January webcast, customer demand in our primary served markets has continued to strengthen.

Our current visibility is that we are now operating in a sustained demand ramp. A ramp being driven by fundamental technology transitions and strategic capacity additions across our core markets.

We're seeing increased adoption of gate-all-around architectures, accelerating growth in high-bandwidth memory, and rising capital intensity in advanced logic and advanced packaging. These transitions increase etch and deposition intensity, and this is the segment of the market where Ichor is most highly levered.

Our objective is to win share through this cycle, and being highly responsive to our customer demand is a core aspect of meeting that objective. Ensuring adequate supply and supporting our customers' strong ramp has been my number one focus since taking over as CEO.

As a result, we are ramping labor head count in our integration business and prepositioning inventory to enable us to address our customers' accelerating demand with strong, predictable execution. In addition, our recent design wins in commercial space are beginning to translate into meaningful revenue.

We expect these design wins to convert into revenue growth that could outpace our semiconductor growth this year. Based on current visibility, we see every quarter in 2026 as a growth quarter for Ichor.

Turning to our results. As provided in our January release, Q4 came in largely as expected.

Revenue was $224 million, above the midpoint of outlook. We finished fiscal 2025 with $948 million in revenue, up 12% year-over-year.

This solid year-over-year growth was driven primarily by strength in etch and deposition, and was partially offset by the softening build rates of EUV, as well as decreased demand in certain trailing-edge markets. Our commercial space business grew significantly in 2025.

While still a small portion of our overall revenues, it has grown to the point where our fifth-largest customer is now outside the semiconductor industry. Looking forward, we expect growth in nearly every application with nearly every customer as we progress through 2026.

Our outlook has further strengthened since entering the year, and our guidance today is for first-quarter revenues in the range of $240 to $260 million. At the midpoint, this equates to double-digit growth from our Q4 trough.

Based on current visibility, we expect sequential growth every quarter this year, leading to what we expect to be a strong growth year for Ichor. During our January webcast, I introduced our key strategic initiatives for 2026, and I will now review the progress being made.

First is our global footprint realignment. Over the past few quarters, our investments have been focused on expanding our Mexico machining capacity and building out our new manufacturing center in Malaysia, which is our largest facility in Ichor's history.

The Mexico expansion will be complete later this year, and Malaysia just began operation last month. These locations will be our high-volume manufacturing centers for Ichor-branded products, and will give us the capacity needed to meet the demand ramp we are now seeing.

To enable this transition, we are in the process of relocating a portion of our machining assets to these critical sites, which will temporarily reduce our capacity for these components. While these transitions are important, they will not gate our ability to support our customer demand.

The realignment of our global footprint touches all three of our strategic focus areas for 2026, and is aimed at strengthening our supply resiliency, ensuring business continuity, and bringing us closer to our customers. This realignment is also a key driver for us achieving our cost targets for Ichor-branded products.

It will also structurally eliminate the primary sources of margin and ramp challenges we faced in 2025. Beginning Q2, we expect gross profit dollars will grow around twice the rate of revenues as we move through the year.

We expect our global footprint realignment to begin driving meaningful margin improvement by midyear. This translates into significant earning leverage expected in the quarters ahead.

Before closing, I want to touch on our product strategy and creating a differentiated Ichor. 2026 is a milestone year for Ichor.

By year-end, we expect to have products in place to enable us to reach our long-stated objective of having Ichor-branded products capable of supporting up to 75% of the content within the systems we make. Reaching this capability reflects our continued transition from an integration company to a product company, and ultimately, a key technology enabler for our industry.

This level of vertical integration gives us the tools and technologies required to support our customers as they move into the angstrom era, where they are adding and removing material one molecule at a time. As our customers enter this era, our goal is for Ichor to outperform by delivering technology, products, and execution required at this level of precision.

With that, I will now hand over to Greg.

Greg Swyt

Thanks, Phil. To begin, I would like to emphasize that the P&L metrics discussed today are non-GAAP measures.

These measures exclude the impact of share-based compensation, amortization of acquired intangible assets, non-recurring charges, and discrete tax items and adjustments. There is a useful financial supplement available on the Investor section of our website that summarizes our GAAP and non-GAAP financial results, as well as a summary of the balance sheet and cash flow information for the last several quarters.

Fourth-quarter revenues were $223.6 million, above the midpoint of guidance, but modestly down from Q3. We believe Q4 represents the trough period during this cycle, with the recent softening in certain end markets and applications already showing signs of recovery.

Gross margin for the quarter of 11.7% was 70 basis points above the midpoint of guidance, reflecting modestly better execution against the lower revenue volumes and unfavorable product mix during the quarter. Operating expenses for Q4 were slightly lower than forecast, at $23.4 million, and operating income was $2.7 million.

As expected, our net interest expense for the quarter was $1.7 million, while our non-GAAP net income tax expense was slightly lower than forecast, at $400,000. Our resulting earnings for the quarter were at the upper end of our expectations, at 1 cent per share.

Turning to the balance sheet, our cash and equivalents totaled $98.3 million at the end of the quarter, a $6 million increase from Q3. Working capital improvements generated $9 million of positive cash flow, and after $3 million of capital expenditures, free cash flow for the quarter was $6 million.

DSOs for the quarter were slightly better than Q3, at 29 days, and inventory turns remained constant, at 3.3. Our year-end balance of total debt outstanding was $123 million, down from $129 million a year ago.

Our net debt coverage ratio currently stands at 1.7. Now I will discuss our guidance for the first quarter of 2026.

As Phil mentioned, our revenue outlook has strengthened year-to-date. With anticipated revenues in the range of $240 to $260 million, we expect gross margins to be in the range of 12% to 13%.

Q1 operating expenses are projected to be approximately $24 million, reflecting the seasonal impact of payroll adjustments, audit fees, and other variable compensation costs. We expect the strong revenue ramp ahead for 2026 will be supported by a relatively consistent OpEx run rate of $24 million, which for the full year equates to an increase of about 5% compared to fiscal 2025.

Net interest expense for Q1 is expected to be approximately $1.7 million, and we expect this level to be relatively consistent throughout 2026. For modeling purposes, net interest expense for 2026 should be approximately $7 million.

We expect to record a Q1 tax expense of approximately $1.1 million. As you update your models for 2026, our assumed effective tax rate is currently expected to be in the range of 20% to 25%.

The increase in our anticipated non-GAAP effective tax rate is attributed to the geographic distribution of our profits this year and the sunsetting of our Singapore pioneer status in early 2026. Finally, our EPS range for Q1 of 8 cents to 16 cents reflects our expectation for 35.1 million in diluted shares outstanding.

Operator, we are now ready for questions. Please open the line.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question-and-answer session.

If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue.

You may press star two to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the star keys.

In the interest of time, we ask that participants limit themselves to one question and one follow-up. One moment while we poll for questions.

Our first question is from Brian Chin with Stifel.

Brian Chin

Hi Greg. Thanks for letting us ask a couple questions and good afternoon.

Maybe, Phil, the first question, relative to the update you gave last month on Q1 revenue, your new midpoint is about $10 million higher. Can you firstly discuss sort of what has improved I guess since then?

Also, when you think about the full year, if WFE forecasts for the industry are coalescing around 15% to 20% growth, let's say, how do you expect to grow relative to that benchmark?

Phil Barros

Let me answer your first question first. In terms of what we're seeing in the first quarter versus what we saw the first week, let me just put it this way, every week we get an updated forecast and every week we're seeing strengthening demand.

We are becoming more and more bullish on the market as we move through the year. I would say that we're seeing a lot of movement.

That's why we're not going to guide for the whole entire year, but I would say that your range of around 15% to 20% is kind of where we're coalescing as well. We think we are well setup to be in that range, if not outperform it.

Brian Chin

That's really helpful. Then in terms of gross margins, you also published some slides last month that are very helpful, a sort of crosswalk to a potential 15% gross margin, sometime second half at a $250 million-plus revenue level.

You're kind of there sooner, right, to your point about the cycle strengthening. In terms of capitalizing on some of those attributes that get you from 11% gross margins to 15%, what's sort of embedded in that initial Q1 guidance, and how quickly do you take down some of those other parts of it, including I think it was 160 basis points from production levels.

You're kind of there already, and then you have some others from the insourcing and other items.

Phil Barros

As I kind of talked about during the prepared remarks, there's a couple things that we're doing that I would call our short-term or transient at this point. First things first is we're moving some of our capacity from one site to another, in particular, moving stuff from one of our machining facilities to another machining facility to really set us up for long-term success.

I would say that that's going to be in place before we exit the first half of the year. That's going to be a major benefit as we exit that.

As you can imagine, that also brings down some of our capacity for internal supply. That's a short-term once again headwind that we would see in the first half of the year.

Once again, we expect that to be flushed through the system as we exit the first half of the year. Hope that answers your question.

Brian Chin

Got it. You still think that 15% second half is sort of a good target and sort of a linear progression, or maybe kind of incremental in 2Q and then sort of a pickup second half?

Phil Barros

That's how I would model it.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Craig Ellis with B.

Riley Securities.

Craig Ellis

Thanks for taking the question and congratulations on the nice print and the solid guide, team. Phil, I wanted to start just by going back to your comments on sequential growth through the year.

We've heard some companies express that the year will still be significantly back-half-weighted. As you look at sequential growth, can you talk about what your half-on-half expectations are?

Then, inside of the growth view that you have, we've wanted to see a much higher mix of components and other higher-margin products. Do you see an opportunity for that to start to kick in at some point during the year, or will things be much more gas-panel-oriented this year?

Phil Barros

I would say that the first half is going to be heavy gas-panel-related. As we move into the second half of the year, a lot of our growth and our gross margins going to come from increased component supply.

That's actually one of the major drivers of that first half versus second half margin profile. In terms of revenue, I would still say it's second-half-weighted.

What we are seeing a lot of movement into the first half and a lot of momentum into the first half. I wouldn't call that pull-ahead.

What I would call that is just additional demand pulling forward.

Craig Ellis

That's helpful. Then can you just go further on the Malaysia business relocation?

Given the strength of demand that you're seeing, can you just provide some points that investors can look to that would give comfort that wouldn't have any adverse impact on either revenue execution or COGS and expense execution?

Phil Barros

I'd actually say that part of our headwind in the first half is because we did turn on that facility. You can think of that as a headwind in the first half.

That's baked into our Q1 guide. What I would say is that's a facility that's 2 miles away from our current facility, which is I would say our second largest facility today.

It's not too far away from our current facility that builds essentially every weldment for every factory that we have. It's a strong factory for our business.

What I would say is what we're moving to Malaysia is additional capacity, right? As we move through '26 and into '27, we believe that we're going to see a continued ramp and we're going to need additional machining capacity in particular and capacity within our components business, and that's a lot of what we're putting into that facility.

That's where last year we spent a lot of our CapEx was in standing up that particular facility. I would say that the headwinds are baked into Q1, and we really see the tailwinds of that in 2027.

Craig Ellis

That's helpful. Thank you, Phil.

Good luck.

Phil Barros

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Krish Sankar with TD Cowen.

Krish Sankar

Hi. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on the really strong results.

Phil, the first question I had for you on the March guidance, a really impressive growth, almost 12% sequentially. Is there a way to dissect it both by technology, either it's coming from dep or etch or litho, and also by end markets, like NAND or DRAM or foundry?

Any color on March quarter would be helpful, and then I had a follow-up.

Phil Barros

I would say that a majority of it's coming from dep and etch. That's the vast majority of the growth we're seeing this quarter.

We're seeing a slight increase in our non-semi business. I would say the EUV is pretty well flat quarter-over-quarter.

We do expect that to start picking up later this year, kind of late in the year. In terms of mix of technologies, I think the short answer to that is yes, because everything's growing at this point.

That's one of the reasons a lot of people are calling this a supercycle, is we're seeing every segment of our market grow, and grow significantly, and that's really what's driving the positive trajectory as we go into '26.

Krish Sankar

Got it. Then on the gross margin comments, if I heard it right, you kind of said that the gross profit dollar should grow at 2x the rate of revenue growth, and it's also more second-half-weighted.

How much of it is really the gross margin growth is coming from revenue leverage versus insourcing?

Greg Swyt

Hey, Krish. It's Greg.

The margin growth is coming through actually a combination of first half is, as Phil said, really the machine deployment that's hindering a little bit of our first half margin profile. That'll start to ramp as those tools come online in the second half.

You can call that incremental volume leverage getting those tools up and running and getting the leverage out of that. Then the second thing is increasing our machining and components mix strengthening as those tools come online and we're delivering those products.

Then finally, our non-semi business is also, as we're going into the year, that's strengthening and that will also bring some flow-through in the second half on the non-semi business.

Phil Barros

Yep. Let me just add one more thing on that, Greg, if you don't mind.

What I would say is, in my prepared remarks, I talked about systematically eliminating some of the margin challenges we faced last year. What I mean by that, and just to be quite frank, is in order to meet our cost targets on our products, getting these into the new factories, once again, these are factories that in particular in Mexico is already stood up, is running pretty high volumes.

We're just building out and finishing out the build-out there. Very high confidence level that's going to come through.

Little to no risk there. I would say Malaysia is a little higher risk in terms of qualifications, but that's once again, that's more to get volume out than it is anything else.

Krish Sankar

Got it. Thanks, Phil.

Thanks, Greg.

Phil Barros

No problem.

Operator

Our next question is from Charles Shi with Needham & Company.

Charles Shi

Thanks for taking my question. Maybe the first one, you talk about the view is a sustained ramp of the business.

Wonder if you can characterize your current demand visibility. How far out it is right now as of today?

I recall you used to say you have pretty good view about within that the next six-month window. Is it further out, but do you see anything for 2020 2027 at this point?

Thank you.

Phil Barros

What I would say is typically our six-month window is pretty hard in terms of we know what customers that those are going to go to and what that demand profile looks like. You're exactly right, six months out is very solid.

What I would say is that with our current visibility, if you look at what our Q3 and Q4 outlook looks like in terms of what our customers are telling us, what they're slotting in inside their demand windows, at this point in time, it's very solid in the second half compared to what you normally would see walking into the year. That's why we have a lot of confidence in the second half of the year.

Then obviously, you hear it from our customers directly. They're talking about what they're seeing in 2027.

I would say that our view on 2027 is very similar to what they say.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Linda Umwali with D.A.

Davidson.

Linda Umwali

Hi, guys. Thank you for letting us ask questions.

My first question was a follow-up on the litho business. I think you said that you were expecting flattish quarter-over-quarter and then to pick up later in the year.

Are we to assume that the challenges, given the inventory actions at your customer, have been resolved, and maybe some of the end market demand trajectory that was unfavorable is now favorable, or what have you seen change in that business?

Phil Barros

I'd say two things. First is we have seen that customer, as they guided, that they're going to be starting to see a pick-up in orders, and so we expect to see a similar level of pick-up in orders.

What I would say is that they do have a level of inventory that they need to digest. Based on our current visibility, we think they will digest that by roughly Q3 this year, which would show some uptick in Q4.

There's still a little bit of unknown there, I would caution that a bit, but with that said, I do believe, based on their feedback and what they've told us and what they're guiding, that they do expect to see growth in the second half of this year entering into next year.

Linda Umwali

Got it. Then going back on the broader industry demand, DRAM and NAND prices are seems to be surging, and are you looking at this as mostly driven by capacity shifts toward AI applications, or are any other drivers that you guys can call out?

Phil Barros

I would say AI applications are definitely the drivers. Obviously, there's a lack of capacity in DRAM and NAND, and that's driving a lot of the demand profile we're seeing.

We also see, obviously, foundry logic also being strong this year. We're seeing, like I said before, really across the board, every one of the major aspects of our market strong and continued to strengthen.

Linda Umwali

Got it. Thank you for your time.

Phil Barros

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from David Duley with Steelhead Securities.

David Duley

Thank you for taking my questions, and congratulations on a nice quarter and outlook. I guess the first question I have is, and you've kind of addressed this, but I was wondering about the inventory levels at your two biggest customers, and what the situation with that is.

Typically, at the beginning of cycles, I think you might grow a bit faster than your two big customers, just because they start to replenish inventory, and I was wondering if that's what you see unfolding during '26 and '27.

Phil Barros

The way I would put it is our revenue forecasts or what we're forecasting is starting to match what they're saying, which is a good indication that inventory levels are coming down and inventory levels need to be replenished, and that's kind of what we're seeing in terms of customer demand and what they're pulling towards us. Remember, a bulk of our business, which are gas panels, there's not a whole lot of inventory that's held on those systems.

I would say that the one exception that would be that EUV customer, where it's a non-configurable system. It's the same every time, they can build up an inventory level which they can hold on to.

What I would say is we're starting to match what our customers are saying, which is a good indication to me that the inventory is really burnt through in terms of the last cycle.

David Duley

Okay. Then, I think you mentioned in your prepared remarks and I think in the press release that you expected to gain share in '26 and '27.

I was wondering if you might help us understand what areas that you will gain share in.

Phil Barros

I think I mentioned it during my January webcast, but one of the major focuses, a little difference between me and the past, is it's really about driving growth within the business. When I say we want to drive growth within the business, it's in all aspects of what we do.

In particular, where I want to spend a lot of our efforts in terms of growing share is, first and foremost, in our commercial space business, our non-semi business, the machining aspect of that we've been chasing around for a while. On top of that, what I would add is all of our componentry, and then I also want to gain share in gas panels.

It's really across the board. What I would say is our customers really divvy out share based on platform.

I want to get a little more balanced in terms of what platforms we're on, there's a little bit of work to do there as well. I would say, across the board, during a ramp cycle is really where share can be won and lost, and I believe we're preparing ourselves to win some share during this cycle.

David Duley

Great. Thank you.

Phil Barros

Good thing. All right.

Operator

Our next question is from Christian Schwab with Craig-Hallum.

Christian Schwab

Thanks for taking my question. Congrats.

Most of them have already been asked. I just have one.

As the growth trajectory in WFE is expected to remain robust again in '27, do you think that from a component standpoint that you can operate near previous targets, say, 18% to 20% gross margins, or will it take a little bit more time to get there?

Phil Barros

I don't want to throw out a timeline for the 18% to 20% at this point. It's a little early to guide that.

What I would say is with the current trajectory of 2027, I think we can get back to some historical levels in terms of revenue, and I would anticipate with the components kicking in and things of that sort that we should see significant earnings leverage as we move forward through 2027. Like I said, I don't want to, at this point in time, at this far away from next year, guide what we think in terms of gross margin is going to be at that point.

Christian Schwab

That's great. Thank you.

No other questions.

Phil Barros

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Edward Yang with Oppenheimer & Company.

Edward Yang

Hey, Phil. Thanks for the time, and congrats on the quarter.

You mentioned commercial space as a growth opportunity, and could you just remind us what percentage of your business is that and how the margin might compare versus the corporate?

Phil Barros

I wouldn't want to call out the margins because that gives a little too much away, I won't comment on that, but it is accretive to our general margin profile. What I would say is that they're a sub-5% customer today.

Our goal in the kind of medium-term is to turn them into a 10% customer. Obviously, with what we're seeing in terms of the semi ramp, that's going to raise the bar for that, it's going to be a little harder for the team to meet that, but that's still the goal.

That is our goal in, I would call the medium-term, in terms of what we want to do with that particular customer.

Edward Yang

Great. Given the growth outlook, CapEx in 2025 as a percentage of revenue and absolute dollars was up year-over-year.

Do you expect that to grow from these levels or moderate back to norms? Related to that, you have taken significant restructuring actions the last couple of quarters.

Are we past any sort of additional accruals for restructuring at this point?

Greg Swyt

Hi, Ed. It's Greg.

I'll take those. On the CapEx front, we did about a little close to 4% this year in '25, about $36 million, and a lot of that investment was in our new facility in Malaysia.

Shifting to '26, we will be moderating it down and moving towards a more manageable rate of around 3% of revenue. That requires more on the machining equipment to be deployed now to the facility in Malaysia, and then we're rebalancing some machining equipment within North America as we execute on that realignment of the North America machining facilities.

It'll moderate down to about 3% in '26, and that'll give you an indication of what we think we should spend there. Then on the restructuring, yeah, we did take about $10 million in Q4, and that was still, obviously, a heavy lift for the full year.

The majority of that effort is now complete. We still expect to see some activities as we wind down these facilities that were realigning in the US, but it won't be at the magnitude that we saw in the full year nor in Q4.

Edward Yang

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time.

I'd like to hand the call back over to Phil Barros for any closing comments.

Phil Barros

Thank you, operator. Thank you, everyone, for joining our call today.

In closing, I wish to convey our confidence in the new Ichor, and our expectations to deliver strong earnings leverage through this cycle. I look forward to our next update at our Q1 call in May.

In the meantime, please reach out to Claire to arrange any follow-up meetings that you may have. With that, I conclude today's call.

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time.

Thank you for your participation.