David Strow
Good afternoon and welcome to the Boyd Gaming second quarter 2026 earnings conference call. This is David Strow, Vice President of Corporate Communications for Boyd Gaming.
I will be the moderator for today's call, which we are hosting on Thursday, July 23rd, 2026. At this time all lines are in listen-only mode.
Following our remarks we will conduct a question and answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star then zero for the operator.
Our speakers for today's call are Keith Smith, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Josh Hirsberg, Chief Financial Officer. Our comments today will include statements that are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act.
All forward-looking statements in our comments are as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise the forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those projected in any forward-looking statement.
There are certain risks and uncertainties, including those disclosed in our filings with the SEC, that may impact our results. During our call today we will make reference to non-GAAP financial measures.
For complete reconciliation of historical non-GAAP to GAAP financial measures, please refer to our earnings press release and our Form 8-K, furnished to the SEC today, both of which are available at investors.boydgaming.com. We do not provide a reconciliation of forward-looking non-GAAP financial measures due to our inability to project special charges and certain expenses.
Today's call is being webcast live at boydgaming.com, will be available for replay in the Investor Relations section of our website shortly after the completion of this call. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Keith Smith.
Keith?
Keith Smith
Thanks, David. Good afternoon, everyone.
Our second quarter results reflect the continued benefits of our diversified business model, success of our ongoing capital investment program, and broad-based growth in play across our customer segments. On a company-wide basis, revenues increased 3% and EBITDA grew 2% for the quarter when adjusting for the impact of last year's FanDuel transaction and the tax pass-through amounts related to our market access agreements.
This performance was led by strong growth across our Midwest and South segment, solid contributions from Boyd Interactive, and increased management fees from Sky River. We also maintained operating efficiencies throughout the business, delivering property operating margins of 40%, consistent with the last several years.
Strong performances of our Midwest and South, online, and managed segments in the quarter, partially offset by continued softness in destination business in Las Vegas, primarily at the Orleans, and ongoing construction disruption at the Suncoast. Excluding the Orleans and Suncoast, the balance of our Las Vegas locals segment delivered revenue and EBITDA growth, strong margins during the quarter, reflecting the continued strength of our local customer.
While we are only three weeks into the third quarter, the overall trends of the second quarter are continuing into July. Now looking at our results by segment: First, our Midwest and South segment delivered a strong performance on top of last year's solid results.
Revenues grew 3% in the quarter, led by growth in gaming revenues, while EBITDA grew 4%, with property margins expanding to nearly 38%. This was the segment's strongest margin in almost two years, demonstrating our continued ability to drive operating efficiencies throughout our business.
These results were supported by growth in play from both our core and retail customers; our guests continued to stay and spend closer to home. We're also benefiting from our property investments throughout the segment, with recent hotel renovations and new food and beverage offerings contributing to a strong performance across the Midwest and South.
In addition, we continue to deliver growth at properties where we have made larger or strategic investments, such as Treasure Chest and Ameristar St. Charles.
Moving to our Las Vegas locals segment, while our Las Vegas locals business continues to be impacted by softer destination business and ongoing construction activity at the Suncoast, overall gaming revenues for the segment were even with prior year, with stable play from our core and retail customers. Excluding the Orleans and Suncoast, the remainder of our Las Vegas locals segment achieved solid results for the second quarter.
Revenues from these properties increased 4% in the quarter, driven by increases in gaming revenue, while EBITDA grew 3%, and margins once again exceeded 50%. The growth in gaming revenue was driven by increased play from our core and retail guests, demonstrating the underlying strength of our locals customer.
While results at the Suncoast for both our first and second quarter were impacted by construction activity, we expect to finalize our renovations of the casino floor and other public areas by the end of the third quarter. Once this work is complete, we will have modernized all public spaces in the building, including the entire casino floor, the sportsbook, bingo room, and the high limit room, and we will have significantly enhanced our food and beverage offerings, expanded and refreshed the property's meeting space.
As a result, we expect to deliver improved performance at the Suncoast starting in the fourth quarter. We are also finalizing plans for a refresh of the Orleans casino floor and public spaces.
We expect to begin this work at the Orleans in the first half of next year. At Cadence Crossing, visitation and revenues have been strong since its debut in late March, and we remain confident we will achieve our long-term return on this investment.
Beyond these projects, we continue to invest in our properties throughout the Las Vegas Valley. We recently opened new restaurants at Gold Coast, Sam's Town, and Suncoast, and plan to introduce others throughout the Las Vegas Valley in the coming months.
We have hotel renovations underway at the Orleans and Suncoast, both of which are expected to be complete by year end. We are updating our sportsbook at Sam's Town and Aliante, both opening in time for the upcoming football season.
In all, by early next year we will have renovated over 70% of our Las Vegas hotel room inventory, introduced 17 new food and beverage concepts, and significantly enhanced our Southern Nevada presence with our new Cadence Crossing property and the investments we are making at the Suncoast. Together, these investments are elevating the competitiveness and the appeal of our Las Vegas locals portfolio and positioning this segment for long-term growth.
Our confidence in our locals business is also supported by the growth of the Southern Nevada economy. Southern Nevada employment is increasing at the fastest rate of any major metro area in the country.
Job growth is occurring across most major employment sectors, further diversifying the local economy, has added more than 200,000 jobs outside of the hospitality sector over the last decade. Employment growth is also driving further gains in local income, with weekly wages increasing at more than twice the rate of the national average.
Las Vegas remains an attractive destination for relocation, offering one of the most competitive cost of living environments in the Western United States. In all, Southern Nevada's continued growth in population, employment, and personal income support our confidence in the long-term prospects for our Las Vegas locals business.
Next, in our downtown Las Vegas segment, trends in the business were consistent with recent quarters. While play from both core and Hawaiian guests was stable, our downtown business was impacted by lower pedestrian traffic throughout the downtown area, reflecting continued softness in destination business.
Next, our online segment achieved revenue and EBITDA growth on a comparable basis. These results reflected strong growth from Boyd Interactive, as well as contributions from our market access agreements that were consistent with the last several quarters.
Finally, our managed business grew EBITDA by 18% year over year. This outstanding performance was driven by the recent completion of the first phase of the Sky River expansion project, significantly increased the casino floor and added a new multi-level parking structure.
With phase one off to a strong start, we now begin the work on phase two, which will add a 300-room hotel, three new food and beverage outlets, full-service spa, and a new entertainment and event center. Once complete in early 2028, we are confident this expansion will further strengthen Sky River's position as one of Northern California's most successful and popular gaming destinations.
In all, our second quarter performance was driven by our diversified business model, broad-based growth in play from our core and retail customers, and the success of our recent capital investments. While we are investing in our properties across the country, we also continue to develop our development pipeline to drive long-term growth.
In Virginia, our resort development on the Norfolk waterfront remains on time and on budget for a late 2027 opening. Once complete, the upscale resort will be a true market leader: a 65,000-square-foot casino, 200-room hotel, eight food and beverage outlets, live entertainment, and an outdoor amenity deck.
It will also offer the most convenient gaming destination for many of the 1.8 million residents of the Hampton Roads region, as well as the 15 million tourists who visit nearby Virginia Beach each year. Next, in Illinois, our modernization of the Par-A-Dice Casino is in the design phase.
Once complete, this project will transform Par-A-Dice into a single-level entertainment facility with a modern casino floor and enhanced amenities, positioning this property for growth well into the future. With Par-A-Dice in the design process, we're gearing up for our next growth projects.
One such project is in Louisiana at our Amelia Belle property. Subject to regulatory approval, we are planning to convert this property to a land-based facility with a modern casino floor and enhanced food and beverage offerings.
Once design work is complete, we expect to begin construction on this project in late 2027. As we invest in the future growth of our business, we continue to balance our capital investments, our commitment to returning significant capital to our shareholders.
To that end, we returned over $170 million to our shareholders during the second quarter in a combination of share repurchases and dividends. Going forward, we intend to continue repurchases at a $150 million per quarter pace, supplemented by our quarterly dividend.
In summary, this was another successful quarter for our company. On a company-wide basis, we grew both revenues and EBITDA on a comparable basis, with strong performances from our Midwest and South operations, our online segment, our managed business, and much of our Las Vegas locals portfolio.
We continue to drive growth in play from our core and retail customers on a company-wide basis. The capital investments we have made at our properties supported growth during the quarter and position our properties for future success.
In addition, we continue to build our development pipeline to drive long-term growth, and we continued our commitment to returning capital to our shareholders, repurchasing nearly 1.9 million shares in the second quarter alone. Supported by a strong balance sheet, efficient operating model, and robust free cash flow, our company is well positioned for the future and to continue creating long-term shareholder value.
I'd like to thank the entire Boyd team for their contributions to our continued success. Their hard work and dedication help create memorable experiences for our guests, and we are grateful for all they do for our company.
Thank you for your time today, and I'd now like to turn the call over to Josh.
Josh Hirsberg
Thanks, Keith. During the quarter, our Midwest and South segment delivered another strong performance, contributing revenue and EBITDA growth, as well as achieving margins that were their highest in nearly two years.
In our online and managed segments, we also produced strong results on a comparable basis. In Las Vegas, excluding Orleans and Suncoast, the Las Vegas locals segment generated revenue and EBITDA growth while continuing to deliver margins over 50%.
As a result of Boyd Interactive's strong performance, we are raising full-year guidance for our online segment by $5 million to $35 million to $40 million for full year 2026. Given the positive response to Sky River's recent expansion, we are raising our guidance by $3 million for our managed business to $113 million to $117 million for the full year.
During the quarter, we invested $142 million in capital expenditures, bringing year-to-date capex to $297 million. We remain on track to spend between $650 million and $700 million for the full year.
The full-year capital expenditure estimate includes about $250 million in maintenance capital, $75 million in incremental hotel capital associated with our Orleans Hotel remodel, which is on track to be completed by the end of this year, $50 million in growth capital, primarily related to completing cadence and the design and pre-construction efforts related to our Par-A-Dice project, finally $300 million for our casino resort development in Virginia. In terms of our capital return program, during the second quarter we paid $15 million in dividends and repurchased $156 million, 1.9 million shares, at an average price of $83.60 per share.
Our actual share count at the end of the second quarter was 73.1 million shares. We plan to continue repurchasing approximately $150 million in shares per quarter, putting us on track, inclusive of dividends, to return more than $650 million to shareholders this year, representing approximately $9 per share in value for our shareholders.
Since we began our capital return program in late 2021, we have returned over $3 billion to our shareholders, reducing our share count by 35%. Even with our capital investments plus capital return program, our balance sheet remains strong.
We finished the quarter with traditional leverage of 2.2 times and lease-adjusted leverage of 2.7 times. We have ample capacity available under our credit facility, and our next debt maturity is in December 2027, which we intend to refinance later this year or in the first half of 2027.
Debt balances at June 30th reflected $267 million in tax credit payments made during the second quarter that were related to last year's FanDuel transaction. Finally, as a reminder, we previously announced we had entered into an agreement to sell our Shreveport property.
We expect to complete the sale of this property by the end of July. In conclusion, our second quarter results reflected the benefits of our diversified business model, our ongoing capital investment program, broad-based growth in play from our core and retail customers.
Our strong balance sheet, consistent operating performance, and robust free cash flow all position us well to continue creating long-term value for our shareholders. David, this concludes our remarks, and we're now ready to take any questions.
David Strow
Thank you, Josh. We will now begin our question and answer session.
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We will pause for a moment while we compile our list of questioners. Our first question comes from Barry Jonas of Truist Securities.
Barry, please go ahead.
Barry Jonas
Great. Hey, guys.
Keith, you mentioned guests staying closer to home in the opening remarks. Can you talk a little bit more about what may be driving growth in the Midwest and South, and maybe how sensitive you think that outlook is to all the macro volatility we're seeing?
Thank you.
Keith Smith
Sure. Look, I think we've seen guests, or believe that guests are staying closer to home and spending their dollars closer to home for the last several quarters.
Whether that's a result of just everything going on in the world, or higher air fares, it just appears that our Midwest and South portfolio is outperforming our Las Vegas portfolio. Whether that's what all that is driven by, or how that comes together, there's a lot going on with the consumer these days.
For higher-end consumer, if they're in the stock market, they're doing quite well. There are tax credits from one big beautiful bill.
There are larger tax refunds this year, and those are all offset by things like higher gas prices and higher inflation. All that nets out.
As we can report it, we're seeing good growth from our core customers, good growth from our retail customers in the Midwest and South. Importantly, we also see that here in Las Vegas, in our locals region.
The locals region for Boyd anyways is really impacted by declines in the destination side of New Orleans. When it comes to the Las Vegas locals customer, we see good growth there also.
Barry Jonas
Great. That maybe flows into my follow-up.
I wanted to ask about the destination business and the locals. Was the negative to year-over-year EBITDA impact in this quarter about similar to what you guys saw last quarter?
Maybe just walk us through how that shifts going into Q3, when I believe we lap comparisons. Thank you.
Josh Hirsberg
Barry, this is Josh. I'll try to take that.
I would say that in the Las Vegas locals market or segment for us, destination continued to be an impact. It was a similar level at around $5 million of EBITDA.
That's a level we've seen really very consistently since Q3 of last year. I think when we anniversary it in Q3 of this year, it's not realistic to really expect it to kind of pivot to flat to positive.
We just don't see any indication that those trends are changing. I think our expectation is things to just be less bad.
I think we've put a number out there around $3 million as kind of our best estimate for Q3. I think a similar amount probably for Q4, maybe a little bit not as bad as Q2, but similar level.
Destination for us has been very consistent. Don't expect to flip just because we haven't really seen any indication it's changing, getting worse or getting better.
I just don't think it's realistic to expect all of a sudden starting to improve once we anniversary. It's kind of a less bad scenario for us.
I think similarly, another impact during the quarter was Suncoast construction disruption. Keith mentioned it.
It was the first quarter that we saw a full impact of construction disruption, and we estimate that to have been around about $3 million for Q2, and we expect that to be a similar level in Q3 before Suncoast comes online and starts to contribute in Q4. Then obviously the last piece of the Las Vegas locals, and you really didn't ask about this, but I'll just volunteer it, is Cadence, which has had a good start in terms of revenue growth, and we're kind of adjusting the expense side of things as we move through time.
We expect Cadence to start contributing later in Q3 and then continue to ramp into Q4 and after. Those I think are the moving pieces that's going on within the Las Vegas market.
I think the last point I would make is that the truly local customer remains healthy for us. That's what's, on a gaming revenue side, mitigating the impacts that we're seeing from destination customers and some of that construction disruption.
Barry Jonas
Great. That's really helpful.
Thank you.
David Strow
Our next question comes from Steven Wieczynski of Stifel. Steve, please go ahead.
Steven Wieczynski
Hey, guys. Good afternoon.
Keith and Josh, wondering if you could go through the cadence of the second quarter in the Las Vegas locals market. Just trying to get a sense for maybe what you saw across the different months in the quarter and if they were pretty similar or they were dramatically different.
Then, Keith, you noted the first three weeks so far in the third quarter in July were similar to the second quarter. I just want to be sure that that means outside of Orleans and Suncoast, the rest of the portfolio is performing in line with recent trends.
I want to make sure I heard that right.
Keith Smith
Yeah. With respect to your last question, you heard it right, is that outside of Suncoast and the Orleans, the rest of the portfolio here locally as well as throughout the Midwest is performing the same as we saw in Q2.
Once again, I know it's only three weeks, and we certainly expect it to continue, but it's only three weeks into the quarter. With respect to kind of the cadence of the second quarter, look, every month is different, and so we look at the quarter in the aggregate.
June was probably a little softer, May was a little stronger, April was fine. When you combine them all and the quarter was pretty much what we expected.
I would not take anything away from whether the fact May was a little stronger, June was a little weaker. I don't read any trends into that at all.
And
Josh Hirsberg
Steve, this is Josh. I would just add Keith's comments around locals outside of Orleans and Suncoast and West and South are obviously correct.
In reality, even Suncoast and Orleans are performing generally in line with what we expect because we really hadn't seen a change in inflection in either direction on destination, and the construction disruption that we expected to occur in Q2 happened at the level that we expected as well. I would say the business general big picture is performing just in line with what we expected coming into the quarter, and all of that continues to play out in a similar fashion so far in the first couple of weeks of July.
Steven Wieczynski
Gotcha. Thanks for that, guys.
My second question would be around reinvesting in your portfolio. I guess my question is, you've seen strong returns from the properties that you've reinvested in.
Just wondering if that makes you guys think about getting a little bit more aggressive with other assets, whether that's in the regional portfolio, whether that's in the Las Vegas locals market. Any color there I think would be helpful.
Thanks.
Keith Smith
I would say that we're probably at a pace of reinvesting that we can comfortably handle right now. There's only so many things that you can do and do them in a high-quality fashion.
The team is fully engaged. We have a list of projects when we're done with these that we'll continue to engage on.
I wouldn't expect that that pace or the amount of money we spend is going to pick up. It will continue, but it won't pick up.
I think we're pretty comfortable with the cadence and the trajectory we're on right now of these capital projects.
Steven Wieczynski
Great. Thanks, guys.
Appreciate it.
Keith Smith
Yep.
David Strow
Our next question comes from David Katz of Jefferies. David, please go ahead.
David Katz
Afternoon, everybody. Two things.
One, the internal investment on Amelia Belle. Obviously, it presents a return opportunity.
Frankly, I'm just curious how the decision to focus on that one versus say some of the larger properties in the portfolio, or was this really just the next best opportunity?
Keith Smith
As there's a number of factors that go into how we prioritize projects. Not appropriate to kind of go into those details at this point.
It's the appropriate time to tackle Amelia Belle. It's not a one-off project.
We can do multiple things at a time, and we are. Once again, there's a number of other projects that we'll continue to process, and we'll update you on as we get ready to start them.
Amelia Belle doesn't postpone or take the place of anything else. It just happens to be next in line for us.
David Katz
Understood. I think we all have talked about your boundaries for external M&A, and I think we probably have a pretty good sense of where some of the more obvious opportunities are.
I'd love to get a sense for what you're seeing out there, what your appetite is, and whether we might see some external property-level M&A in the near term from you all.
Keith Smith
At the risk of being repetitive or sounding like a broken record, we've had the same view on M&A. We have the same view on M&A today that we've had for quite a while.
We're interested. We're always looking.
It's got to be strategic. It's got to be the right asset in the right market at the right price.
They have to be high-quality assets. The business is performing at a very high level.
We're returning significant dollars to our shareholders. We have a strong balance sheet.
We don't need to do M&A. If the right opportunity comes along, we certainly have our eyes open and we're not afraid to execute.
Once again, as it always has, has to tick those boxes. I don't think it's any different than, unfortunately, the answer I've provided in previous years, and it remains the same today.
Nothing's changed for us. Just because we have a strong balance sheet and robust free cash flow doesn't have us be more or less aggressive.
David Katz
I was repetitive first. Thanks.
Keith Smith
Yep. Quite right.
David Strow
Our next question comes from Shaun Kelley of Bank of America. Shaun, please go ahead.
Shaun Kelley
Yeah. Hi.
Good afternoon, everybody, and thanks for taking my question. Josh or Keith, just I wanted to go back to locals for a second, and I think you had mentioned a bit about an ongoing or an additional renovation project at the Orleans starting in 2027, if I caught that correctly.
Obviously, I think you're working on the rooms now. Could you just talk about scope and scale there, if I caught that right, or correct me if I didn't?
Then secondarily, and probably more importantly, just help us think on net what construction disruption going to look like in 27 versus 26 for the segment. Obviously Suncoast and the Orleans rooms should be largely done by then.
On net, should we see a little less disruption next year than what we saw this year? Well,
Keith Smith
a couple of comments. One, you heard correctly that we're in the design process for a refresh of the Orleans, the casino space as well as the public spaces.
It is one of our premier top properties in great proximity to the Strip. We are in the process of going through that.
Don't have scale and scope to announce at this point. That'll come at a later date.
As you think about construction disruption, one, at the Suncoast we'd expect it to largely conclude at the end of Q3, and therefore in Q4 we expect the Suncoast to start producing better performance. As it relates to the Orleans, and I think I indicated in my prepared remarks that we'd be probably starting that project sometime in 2027.
The initial part of that will be behind walls-off space right now. Think old phase, if you will.
Therefore there will be no construction disruption at the Orleans in 2027. There'll be no construction disruption at Suncoast in 2027.
As you think of the locals portfolio, it basically should be absent construction disruption.
Shaun Kelley
Perfect. Thank you very much.
Keith Smith
Yep.
David Strow
Our next question comes from Ben Chaiken of Mizuho. Ben, please go ahead.
Ben Chaiken
Thanks for taking my question. If I'm not mistaken, I think you said Ex-Orleans and Suncoast revenue and EBITDA were higher year over year.
I think you gave a similar update a quarter ago, and it was closer to flat. Am I reading too much into that, or did trends sequentially accelerate?
Thanks.
Keith Smith
You heard right. Absent Orleans and Suncoast, we did see growth in revenues and growth in EBITDA in the remaining Las Vegas locals properties.
I'll have to see if Josh has the numbers. I don't have the numbers handy in terms of did it accelerate in Q2 versus Q1.
Josh Hirsberg
Q1, I think, Ben, you're right, from memory. It was flat, more flattish in Q1, and then we saw better performance from that group of properties in Q2.
I would say that it was contributions from a broader set of properties as we entered Q2. We started to see, obviously, one difference is cadence from an EBITDA perspective.
Just the mix of properties changed, and contribution from revenue versus EBITDA changed based on the change in mix of properties.
Ben Chaiken
Understood. That's helpful.
Then just one quick one on downtown. Did airfares impact the Hawaiian play at all?
Is that something you're watching for 3Q? Thanks.
Yeah,
Keith Smith
airfares is something we've been watching for years, and we take a look at every day and every week. We monitor it.
For Q2, did not have any material impact on the visitation. Play from our Hawaiian guests was relatively stable during the quarter.
It wasn't materially impacted by airfares or anything else. It was something we do pay attention to all the time because it has the potential to impact travel from Hawaii.
Yeah,
Josh Hirsberg
Ben, from the perspective of downtown, to date it's been really all about a similar impact or a similar topic seen in locals, and that's been destination. It's just not getting the kind of the retail traffic downtown that we typically see on the Strip when they have destination.
Just destination in general is affecting downtown as well.
Ben Chaiken
Understood. Thank you.
Keith Smith
Welcome.
David Strow
Our next question comes from Steven Pizzella of Deutsche Bank. Steve, please go ahead.
Steven Pizzella
Hey, good afternoon, and thank you for taking my question. I think you mentioned by early next year you'll have been renovated over 70% of Las Vegas hotel rooms inventory, plus the new F&B concepts, and you have, of course, Cadence Crossing.
Do you expect that to lead to gaining market share in the locals region?
Keith Smith
We certainly expect to continue to grow up here, yes. I think that the reality is if you look at our Las Vegas locals market share without Orleans and Suncoast, which is what we talked about quite a bit, have been impacted for different reasons, but without those two properties, we've actually grown market share in the Las Vegas locals market.
With Suncoast coming back online fully renovated, with Cadence gaining its sea legs, to speak. It's only been open for barely four months at this point, but as it continues to grow, yes, we'd expect to continue to grow our market share there.
Steven Pizzella
Thank you. Then just a quick follow-up.
I wanted to see if we could get an update on the current promotional environment in locals in the Midwest and South.
Keith Smith
Stable. Not much has changed.
As I've said for a couple of quarters, those folks that have been aggressive over the last several quarters, the last year or so, remain aggressive. Those that have remained stable have remained stable.
That's true both here in Las Vegas as well as around the country. We haven't, in our markets anyways, noted any considerable pickup in how aggressive people are being.
Steven Pizzella
Great, thank you.
David Strow
Our next question comes from Brandt Montour of Barclays. Brandt, please go ahead.
Brandt Montour
Great, thanks for the question. I wanted to circle back to the managed— sorry, the managed business.
Josh, you gave an updated look at how the full year, how you expect the full year to come in. The implied back half in that full year target would seem to sort of step back from the second quarter levels, and I just want to understand what's driving that, if there's a reason for it, maybe sort of post-expansion cool down.
I don't know what you're seeing, but whatever you can say to help us understand that would be helpful. Yeah.
Josh Hirsberg
It is a little bit of a slowdown from the business we saw in Q2, only anticipating that you open something new, you got a lot of demand, and it'll settle in at a level. That's kind of what went into the expectation.
There is still an expectation that it will grow, and that's why we increased the guidance overall by three million bucks. It's a five.
No, it's three. That will just get spread evenly over the two quarters.
Brandt Montour
That's helpful. Then online, similar question, a little bit different.
You did guide up. It doesn't seem like you're looking for a step back per se, or at least it's not as obvious in the online back half.
Maybe you could just break out Boyd Interactive, the iGaming piece. What's the sort of cadence of momentum there?
This is obviously an asset that gets overlooked, but it feels like you have some impressive growth under the hood. What else can you tell us about the path there?
So
Josh Hirsberg
if you think about online, just think about it as two big buckets. One is just the market access agreements.
Obviously, they got renegotiated and changed with the FanDuel transaction last year. This year, they're consistent with what we said before.
That's about a million dollars a month, about $12 million a year for market access. Then the rest is really Boyd Interactive and the growth inherent in that little business.
Hopefully that gives you a sense.
Brandt Montour
Sure. That's helpful.
Thanks very much.
David Strow
Our next question comes from John DeCree of CBRE. John, please go ahead.
John DeCree
Hi, Keith, Josh. Good afternoon.
I wanted to go back to an earlier comment I think I heard in the prepared remarks about operating efficiency specific to Midwest and South. Obviously something you all have been focused on in perpetuity, but we've noticed in 1Q really that flow through in the Midwest and South kind of stepped back up into the 40-plus percent range.
We saw the same in Q2. Last year we were getting some revenue growth, but really not the flow through.
Josh or Keith, curious if you could kind of tell us if you've made any changes or tweaks in the Midwest and South segment, anything specific on the operating structure, any cost cuts, or if it's just kind of mostly block and tackle. Not sure if you can kind of say how you got that flow through back up to the 40s and if that's sustainable from here.
Josh Hirsberg
Thanks, John. I think that the flow through is really a reflection.
We had a little bit of trouble in the second half of last year where we had revenue growth but more limited flow through. As we dug into it more and more, it really became obvious that that was really largely kind of a benefits-related issue.
There were some other moving pieces, but so we reset some of our programs to try to address that, and I think we've gotten it under control now. We'll see as we move through the year.
It will depend on usage of the plans and things of that nature as we move through the rest of the year. For right now, outside of benefits, when we look at expenses just more broadly, I think we feel like they're very manageable at this stage, and that's what you're seeing not only in the flow through in the Midwest and South and the margins there, but also outside of Orleans and Suncoast, we're maintaining good margins in the rest of the portfolio, as those were over 50% as well, not only reflecting the strength of the locals customer here in Las Vegas, but also kind of being able to manage our expense structure.
So,
Keith Smith
John, you said this. The management teams are focused on this every single day and every single week in terms of managing expenses, finding ways to continue to mitigate lower costs.
It is something that is a huge focus all the time, team, they're always working on, and some quarters you're more successful than others.
John DeCree
Understood, Keith. Thank you.
Josh, thanks. I'll leave it there.
That's all for me. Appreciate it, guys.
Keith Smith
Yep.
David Strow
Your time for one last question from Dan Politzer of JPMorgan. Dan, please go ahead.
Dan Politzer
Hey, good afternoon, and thanks for the question. It sounds like on the locals business, you're kind of getting through that destination softness, Suncoast, I think the disruption ends in the third quarter, and then you're going to have Cadence starting to contribute.
When can we start penciling in top line growth again in this segment? Is it fair that we could see it in the third quarter, or is this something we'll have to wait for 27 for?
Josh Hirsberg
Yeah. Dan, ultimately I think, at least from an EBITDA perspective, we expect to kind of start to see maybe flattish growth in Q4.
I'm not sure if you will see—I think you'll continue to see, could see some revenue growth in Q3. That'll just depend on how quickly we finish out Suncoast, but I'm not—like the plans right now are for it to, like, go late into Q3.
I'm not sure if we will really get the benefit of top line growth from the segment in Q3. I think it's really all about Q4.
Dan Politzer
Got it. Thanks.
Just a quick follow-up, Virginia, that's not something we hear a lot about. I get it's not opening until late next year.
I guess, can you just remind us how you think about the cash-on-cash returns for that $750 million to spend there?
Josh Hirsberg
Yeah. The general targets are kind of a 15% kind of cash-on-cash return for projects like that, and that's generally what we would expect it to ramp up to, maybe not necessarily in the first year, but certainly as it transitions from the first to second year.
Dan Politzer
Got it. Thanks so much, everyone.
Josh Hirsberg
Welcome. Sure.
David Strow
This concludes our question and answer session. I'd now like to turn the call over to Josh for concluding remarks.
Josh Hirsberg
Thanks, David, and thanks for everyone joining the call. If there's any follow-up questions, feel free to reach out to the company.