Abacus Group

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Q4 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptAugust 25, 2026

Operator

I would now like to hand the conference over to to Stephen Sewell, Managing Director. Please go ahead.

Steven Sewell

Thanks, and good morning, everybody. On a busy morning, we welcome you to the FY '26 results presentation for Abacus Group.

I'm joined here today by Evan Goodridge, the group's current CFO, who's supporting both Abacus Group and Storage King Group through the '26 results period. Also, Lawrence Wong, our incoming CFO of Abacus Group; Kevin George, the General Manager Commercial and Fund Manager for the group, as well as other members of our investor relations and finance team.

You'll see in the result there's a number of impacts that result from the internalization of the entire management function of Storage King Group, which took effect on the 30th of June as we announced back in May. You may notice on the header page a subtle logo edition.

This year, Abacus celebrates its 25th year as a listed company. In August 2026, somewhat of a watershed year with the evolution and now separation of the self-storage business Storage King.

I just want to give thanks and acknowledge the myriad of team members, executives, board members that have contributed to the group's long history. Turning to our financial year '26 metrics, there are a number of very positive operating highlights across the business.

Commercial occupancy remained strong at 91.2%. Leasing activity was solid with almost 50,000 square meters completed during the year.

The group reported an FFO of $81.2 million, reflecting we believe the resilience of the portfolio of assets and our focus on execution. At 30 June 2026, the group's portfolio was valued at $2.5 billion with a weighted average cap rate of 6.7%.

You'll note the statutory loss and decline in NTA during the period. This was driven largely by non-cash accounting adjustments associated with the now complete internalization of Storage King Group.

Our ASK investment is remeasured using the listed share price at year end, which resulted in a $122 million non-cash accounting loss. Importantly, these accounting adjustments do not change the underlying strength of the business, which continued to deliver stable operating performance, strong occupancy, and growth in funds from operations.

We were pleased during the year to declare an 8.5 cents per security distribution in line with our guidance, and gearing of 36.2% at the end of the period remains well within our target range. Abacus Group going forward is positioned as a focused pure-play commercial REIT.

Our strategy is straightforward: we invist invest in high-quality commercial real estate sectors that can deliver sustainable long-term returns through active investment management, disciplined asset management, and a strong customer focus. We believe the office sector in Australia has very sound fundamentals.

The market is showing signs of stabilizing from cyclical lows. Replacement costs remain supportive of valuations, and new supply remains constrained.

Together, these factors provide, we believe, a supportive backdrop for medium-term rental growth. We're concentrating our investment activity in Australia's major East Coast markets, particularly Sydney and Brisbane, where we see the strongest opportunities to create value and grow income over time.

Sydney remains our preferred market given its scale, liquidity, and highly diversified tenant base, while Brisbane continues to benefit from strong population growth, significant infrastructure investment, and favorable demand drivers. Within office, our focus remains on high-quality assets that are well-positioned to meet the needs of their customers, particularly small to medium-sized enterprises.

We'll continue to actively manage and enhance our portfolio through targeted repositioning, refurbishment initiatives while maintaining a disciplined approach to operational report, er performance. Importantly, customer outcomes remain central to our strategy.

By strengthening customer relationships and using insights from our recently completed Voice of Customer program, we aim to improve occupancy outcomes, enhance overall asset performance, which will support long-term earnings growth. Following the internalization effective 30 June, our key business priorities are centered on disciplined execution, supported by a clear strategic agenda to strengthen the business today while positioning us to deliver sustainable long-term value for securityholders.

Our immediate focus is on simplifying the organization. We will continue to streamline our systems and processes, building a more efficient operating platform while maintaining our focus on sectors where we have proven capability.

Our priority is to preserve our agile decision-making and efficient execution capability while reducing operating costs. This work is expected to support a lower management expense ratio over time and allow us to optimize our income yield.

Over the near term, our attention shifts to further strengthening the balance sheet through disciplined capital recycling, continued portfolio refinement, reducing gearing, and resetting to a more sustainable through-the-cycle payout ratio of 80% to 90% of FFO. Our aim is to create greater financial flexibility while ensuring capital is directed towards the highest-returning opportunities.

Looking further ahead, these initiatives place us in a stronger position to capitalize on attractive investment opportunities as they emerge. With a technologically savvy, bespoke platform, a stronger balance sheet, and continued de- disciplined approach to capital allocation, we believe the group will be well-positioned to enhance returns and deliver sustainable earnings growth through the cycle.

Turning to the highlights from financial year 2026, we delivered a solid operating performance across the portfolio while successfully completing the ASK internalization. Right across the office portfolio, we achieved leasing spread growth of 5.5%, which re- reflected in broad-based growth across the portfolio and continued demand for well-located assets in our core markets.

Our retail portfolio performed strongly with leasing spread growth of 8.4%, continued supported by the continued momentum at Oasis and the strength of its prime Broadbeach on the Gold Coast location. Platform efficiencies was a focus of '26 and will continue to be in FY '27, while where we are targeting a 25% reduction in admin expenses, primarily via headcount reduction.

Importantly, as I touched on earlier, FY '26 also marked the successful completion of the internalization. This represents the culmination of a multi-year strategy that began with the appara- acquisition of the Storage King operating platform in FY '21, the de-stapling of the business in FY '23, and now the internalization of the management in FY '26.

That positions Abacus Group clearly as a focused commercial REIT moving forward. I'll now hand over to Evan to discuss the group's financial results in more detail.

Evan Goodridge

Thanks, Stephen, and good morning. Financial year 2026 has been a year of significant transition for Abacus Group as we completed the internalization of Storage King's management platform, sharpening our focus as a pure-play commercial REIT, while our core portfolio continued to deliver a resilient earnings result.

Over half of our operating earnings again came from office, with the balance collectively from retail, investment income, and returns from our 19.7% ownership in what is now Storage King Group. Funds from operations for the year were $81.2 million, or 9.08 cents per security, down 1.9% on FY '25.

Breaking this down, office earnings were $89.6 million, down 3.2% on FY '25's $92.6 million. Excluding the impact of surrender fees, office earnings were $88.7 million, up 5.3% from $84.3 million as the group has been able to lease up the majority of the surrendered space ahead of initial underwrite.

Retail delivered like-for-like operating earnings growth of 4.5% to $30 million. Our equity share of Storage King's earnings, prior to internalization completing, was $16.1 million, down 4.2% on the prior year.

Investment management and other income held steady at $27 million. Administrative expenses continued to reduce, down 5% to $32 million, and net finance costs reduced to $44.2 million, down from $49.7 million in FY '25.

Abacus has historically utilized carry-forward revenue losses to mitigate its tax expense payable. These losses have now been exhausted in our FFO, and a more normalized run rate of $0 million to $2 million per annum in tax expense is expected moving forward.

Our distribution for the year was 8.5 cents per security, representing a payout ratio of 93.6%. Looking ahead to FY '27, there are four important moving parts for the group.

These moving parts will help simplify the business, strengthen the platform, and position us for growth. First, now that we are no longer the manager of Storage King, our retained stake is held at fair value rather than equity accounted.

This means that on an ongoing basis, we will only receive Storage King's distribution, guided at 4.5 cents per security for FY '27, rather than our full equity share of earnings. Second, we will also no longer collect asset or development fees associated with Storage King's management.

Third, we're continuing to simplify and recycle our own portfolio. With this in mind, we expect to deliver a number of disciplined non-core asset sales consistent with the capital recycling priority we've set out over FY '27.

Hopefully, we'll be able to update the market further later in the year. Fourth, our corporate structure will become simpler and more efficient.

Since 30 June, we have reduced headcount by more than a third, continuing the organizational efficiencies that we're targeting as we simplify the business. The group has identified $8.4 million of annualized cost savings, primarily associated with transferring staff to Storage King, and remains focused on further reducing management expense through a leaner operating model.

Taking the four moving parts together, for FY '27, we are targeting a distribution of 6.7 cents per security, with FFO expected to deliver a payout ratio around the midpoint of our revised 80% to 90% range. This reflects a genuinely different earnings base once Storage King's contribution is removed, and a portfolio and corporate structure that is still mid-transition.

With our FY '27 distribution levels reset, we expect that two-thirds of it will be via a fully franked dividend. It is the group's intention to distribute our remaining $51 million of franking credits to securityholders over the medium term.

This guidance is subject to no material deterioration in commercial property market and current business conditions, and Stephen will discuss the group's outlook and guidance in more detail shortly. Turning to the portfolio.

Total group assets were $2.46 billion, down from $2.59 billion. On 30 June, we completed the internalization of Storage King's management, which required us to remeasure our retained 19.7% stake from an equity-accounted investment to fair value.

As we flagged to the mar- market following Storage King's own FY '26 results release, that single non-cash accounting entry reduced total assets by $122 million and is the primary driver of our reduction in assets for the year. Our exposure to core commercial sectors, office and retail, increased to 77% of total assets, up from 72%.

That trend is expected to continue in FY '27. The group continues to adopt a disciplined approach to capital management.

Gearing closed the year at 36.2%, up from 34.5% at FY '25, and on a covenant basis, 41.2% against a covenant of 50%. For FY '27, we expect gearing to reduce as non-core sale proceeds are applied to debt reduction.

Our interest cover ratio was 2.7 times against a covenant of 2 times, and the group's average cost of debt for FY '26 was 4.5%, down from 5.1% in FY '25. Our hedge cover currently sits at 81%.

For FY '27, we are targeting a weighted average cost of debt of approximately 5.25% at those as those lower-cost historical hedges progressively roll off. Importantly, we have no bank debt maturing in FY '27.

During the year, we extended our syndicated facility on improved tenor and pricing. We retain funding capacity of more than $150 million, or approximately $450 million when we include our liquid investment in Storage King.

Net tangible assets closed the year at $1.59 per security, down from $1.72. In respect to valuations, our investment property portfolio closed the year at $1.826 billion, up from $1.8 billion.

That reflects an increase of $36 million of capital expenditure, less fair value losses of $17 million. Our weighted average cap rate firmed slightly to 6.7% from 6.77% a year ago.

I note that this is my last results presentation as CFO of Abacus Group. It has been my privilege to be able to share the group's results with you over my 15 years at Abacus, and I wish my replacement, Lawrence Wong, all the very best in the future.

With that, I'll hand over to Kevin to discuss the group's operating performance.

Kevin George

Thanks, Evan, and thanks for your contribution to the group over many years. Our office portfolio comprises predominantly A-grade assets across Australia's eastern seaboard with a strong weighting to Sydney and Brisbane.

We continue to favor these markets given their attractive long-term fundamentals. Building on Stephen's earlier comments, Sydney remains Australia's largest and most diverse office market, while Brisbane continues to benefit from strong population growth, significant infrastructure investment, and solid business activity.

Our portfolio is well-aligned to the SME sector, which represents around 60% of our customer base. SME demand has historically led the early stages of office market recovery, positioning us well as operating conditions continue to improve.

Beyond the quality of our assets, a key differentiator is our focus on customer experience and engagement. During FY '26, we achieved a Net Promoter Score of +35 across our managed office portfolio, up from +28 in FY '25, reflecting the strength of our customer relationships and service proposition.

Through our Voice of Customer program, asset activation initiatives, and active engagement with customers, we continue to support retention, drive leasing outcomes, and enhance the performance of the portfolio. Turning to our key office portfolio metrics, demand continues to be supported by the SME flight-to-value trend, fitted workspace offerings, and active customer engagement.

Portfolio delivered 2% like-for-like rent growth in FY '26, supported by leasing spreads of 5.5% and average rent reviews of 3.2%. This was modestly below FY '25 growth, reflecting slightly lower occupancy during the year.

Occupancy at 30 June was 89.2%, down from 91.1% in FY '25, primarily reflecting residual vacancy from customer surrenders recognized in the prior period. Pleasingly, leasing progress on the surrendered space has been strong with 80% of the area at 324 Queen Street already committed.

At 99 Walker Street, approximately 60% of the surrendered floors over a period of time have been re-leased. Moving to our office leasing metrics, leasing spreads remained positive at 5.5%, underpinned by strong outcomes at 14 Martin Place and 324 Queen Street, which achieved spreads of 9.9% and 8.7%, respectively.

During FY '26, we completed 71 leasing transactions across almost 50,000 square meters, up 5% on FY '25. The increase in activity was driven by strong leasing outcomes across the portfolio, including at 99 91 King William Street, which recorded 7,600 square meters of transactions compared with 2,800 square meters in FY '25, primarily supported by Department of Veterans' Affairs renewal and expansion.

Leasing ac- activity was well balanced with new deals representing 53% of transactions and tenants renewing 47%. Average incentives were 33% for the year, broadly in line with FY '25, slightly lower, in fact, than half-year '26.

While incentives on large and new transactions remained elevated, we are encouraged by the reemergence of a spread between new customer transactions and existing customers extending their tenure. Renewal incentives averaged 25% compared with 35% on new deals, a good early indicator of an improving market.

We are also seeing stronger outcomes in premium locations. At 14 Martin Place, six of the seven leasing transactions completed during the year were agreed at incentives below 30%, highlighting improving conditions for high-quality, well-located assets.

Another sign of market improvement: we reduced average downtime on new leasing transactions to 9.5 months, down from 11 months in FY '25, reflecting improving leasing efficiency across the portfolio. Looking ahead, we expect incentives to continue moderating, particularly in Sydney and Brisbane, where vacancy is tightening and new supply remains limited.

Turning now to our lease expiry profile, we remain comfortable with our vacancy position and near-term expiries. Importantly, 65% of our vacant space is fitted and customer-ready, allowing us to capture demand quickly as it emerges.

Our largest vacancy remains at 710 Collins Street, which is being actively marketed following government tenant departures during FY '26. Discussions with prospective tenants are ongoing.

Pleasingly, we've started FY '27 well with a meaningful proportion of vacant space already under heads of agreement or in advanced negotiations. Finally, looking at our retail portfolio, performance remained strong throughout FY '26 with occupancy increasing to 97.4% and the weighted average lease expiry extending to 4.8 years.

Leasing conditions at Oasis remained favorable with net face leasing spreads of 8.4% and incentives holding at a low 15% across both new and renewal deals. These metrics reflect the quality of the Oasis asset, in particular, its dominant Broadbeach Gold Coast location, resilient retailer demand, and the strength of customer engagement across the center.

We also delivered strong retention outcomes during the year, supporting occupancy, reducing vacancy risk, and underpinning the stability of future earnings. I'll now hand you back to Stephen for the outlook and guidance.

Steven Sewell

Thanks, Kevin and Evan. Our commercial portfolio continues to perform, and the group, as I said before, is now focused as a specialized commercial REIT.

We're pleased to provide distribution guidance for FY '27 of 6.7 cents per security, reflecting a payout ratio in the range of 80% to 90% of FFO, assuming no material decline in current business conditions. As Evan mentioned, we've also increased the franking component in FY '27 and expect 67% of the distribution to be fully franked, up from 50% in FY '26.

I just wanted to take a moment to mention and acknowledge some people that have contributed to Abacus over many years and have, or are about to, leave the group. Firstly, Evan Goodridge, who as I said earlier, will leave at the end of the month.

Evan took on the CFO role during the pandemic after working many years in finance across many different functions. We do wish Evan every success at Storage King Group.

Secondly, many of you will have interacted over the years with Neil Summerfield. Neil has been with Abacus over 17 years and leaves at the end of the month.

Neil was previously Head of Investor Relations accompanying my predecessor, and has been a loyal and positive contributor to the group in its various activities and major transactions. We sincerely wish Neil every success also in his exciting new chapter.

Fine- finally, Myra Salkinder retired as our Chair in June. After more than 15 years on the board, and as Chair for about eight years, Myra devoted an enormous amount of energy and attention to the group, and will be missed for her wise counsel and people-first mentality.

We wish Myra every happiness and success in her retirement as she takes on more and more of her life interests, including her growing family and wonderful grandchildren. That ends the formal remarks for the presentation.

I now look forward to any questions or alternatively, meeting with with you in person in the days and weeks to come.

Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question via the phones, you will need to press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad.

To ask a question via the webcast, please type your question into the "Ask a Question" box and click submit. The first phone question today comes from Larry Gandler from Shaw and Partners.

Please go ahead. Um

Larry Gandler

thanks, Steven, for taking the question. Uh welcome, Lawrence.

Um uh good luck, Evan, over at ASK. Um, just quickly, uh Steven, can you um maybe give us your thoughts on what you're you know thinking about the ASK stake.

Uh, just maybe some comments around that?

Steven Sewell

I think, Larry, as as you'd appreciate, given we no longer are the manager of that group and have any involvement with the group, it's no longer considered a strategic investment. It is held as a current asset.

Like every investment we have on the balance sheet, it's constantly reviewed for its long-term returns to the group. That's about as much as we can say at the moment.

Larry Gandler

Is it meeting any any sort of financial metrics that would warrant it being retained? Uh,

Steven Sewell

well, given the group is a commercially-focused REIT, I would say, there's a fair chance that it's not strategic to hold an investment in a storage, self-storage uh listed entity. I think that's about as much as we can say, Larry.

Larry Gandler

Okay. Got it.

Thanks, Steven. Just wanted to clarify.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Callum Bramah from Macquarie.

Please go ahead.

Callum Bramah

Morning. Thanks for taking the question.

Um just wanted if you can give a little bit more color around the expectations for '27 um in the guidance, uh particularly around retail and office. Um I know there was quite a few comments around the expiry profile, but just wanted if you can particularly reference any known outcomes uh in that short-term or '27 expiries bucket that we we need to think about.

Just your expectation on growth coming out of the retail component as well.

Steven Sewell

I think the the overarching message, Callum, is that we're seeing some really strong green shoots coming through, particularly in Sydney and Brisbane in office leasing. Uh as Kevin mentioned, incentives starting to moderate, and particularly with our retention and renewal transactions.

I think that's the probably the most pleasing out- outcome. Certainly uh, as Kevin mentioned, is a is one of those sort of leading indicators of a recovering market.

We think that that obviously, the supply constraints uh in the various markets is assisting uh for well-located, well-capitalized, and actively managed assets. That's a big part of our customer proposition.

When we look across our portfolio, the the building we're in here, 77 Castlereagh, 100% leased. We've been able to shift 201 Elizabeth Street up to the sort of mid-80s.

We think there's more to go there. Obviously, with our partners at Charter Hall, uh we're working hard on that building.

Uh continuing to churn assets and uh the tenants rather at our assets such as 324 Queen Street with positive positive results, 99 Walker Street in North Sydney with positive results. It is a constant work in progress, but we are seeing, that turning of the market.

We think that, tenants are willing to commit. They're they're committing to positive uh positive deals, renewals.

In-place tenants are wanting to stay on. Our only retail asset, that property continues to perform almost above our underwrite and above our expectations.

Uh it's anchored by a very strongly-performing supermarket. It does sit really at the commercial hub of Broadbeach, and it does give us a lot of confidence to continually look to optimize the tenant mix.

It is spread over three levels. It does have a very big restaurant precinct, and and also car park, a very profitable car park activity.

It's a terrific property in a great location. The retail sector's running pretty hot, as you'd understand.

We are very positive and upbeat about the performance of that asset. Is

Callum Bramah

does guidance include or have an expectation of an improvement in occupancy for office by the end or during '27?

Steven Sewell

I think there'd be a marginal uptick. I think we're looking at a couple of percent uptick in 201.

Some of the re-leasing, we've got some floors coming back at properties like 14 Martin Place, 99 Walker, 324 Queen. Uh Kevin touched on 91 King William over in Adelaide.

That's a, we've had a floor handed back there from an existing tenant, but we're very, in strong discussions with tenants. Uh it's not a dramatic movement in overall occupancy, but quite good re-leasing uh and with those positive spreads that we're seeing come through, so.

Kevin George

Callum, I I think the the assets where we're not going to see any uh material movement or income um from major vacancies, Allara Street Canberra and uh The Goods Shed. Um both Allara Street needs to go through a refurbishment uh before that's be ready to lease post-government.

Goods Shed, we're in active conversations with a number of tenants, but um timing uh for those um is later, which would um see income beyond the current year. Um so, but yeah, as Stephen mentioned, uh broad-based opportunity across the uh the rest of the core portfolio.

Um

Callum Bramah

maybe if I could ask another one just around costs. The 25% reduction in admin expense in '27, do you think that there's further costs to come out again in '28, or does that get you to your kind of target MER?

As you think about the MER, Stephen, I just wanted do you exclude, I guess, the ASK stake in that kind of calculation, or how should we think about that?

Steven Sewell

I I think, Callum, it's it's a constant work in progress as as to technology applications across the business, what is the portfolio that we own, what are we focused on? Uh we've just gone through a transition with property managers, there's quite a big, roles and responsibilities alignment going on across the commercial team uh, and Lawrence joining in the finance team, looking with a fresh set of eyes at, our corporate structure, uh what we've got in place, and and the team.

I wouldn't say that '27 is the endgame. Uh I think we're it's a constant work in progress.

Um and I think from a from an MER perspective, you're right. The ASK stake obviously doesn't get counted.

We're also very keen to to grow as we've said in the in the strategic priorities. Setting the business with a very low level of gearing, uh looking at opportunities as they emerge, uh we'd be looking to deploy some of that balance sheet strength in the, latter part of FY '27 and into '28.

That does sort of move the numbers around quite a bit, as you'd appreciate.

Callum Bramah

Yep. Thanks very much.

Thanks for taking the questions. Congrats to Evan and Neil and Myra on on a great innings and contribution to the group.

Thanks so much.

Evan Goodridge

Thanks, Callum.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Ben Brayshaw from Barrenjoey.

Please go ahead.

Ben Brayshaw

Hi, Steven. Thanks for the presentation.

Um I was just wondering, given that ABG is trading 45% below its NTA, if you could just talk about what opportunities you see as means to narrow that gap to your asset backing. How the board are also thinking about whether ABG could be a beneficiary of strategic transactions or M&A within the sector?

Uh

Steven Sewell

our focus, as we've said, Ben, is non-core sales, reduction in gearing, and really driving down the operating costs of the business. That we see as our best opportunity to present the most optimum income yield of our portfolio.

Investors can obviously then make their mind up as to how that tracks relative to the valuation of the business. We don't control that discount uh that we trade on on a daily basis.

Uh but we are very focused on delivering the best income yield for the portfolio of investments that we have. We constantly look at every asset.

We look at its three-year projections and and contribution to the profitability of the group. That covers across not only the storage stake, but also the retail assets and the commercial assets.

As Kevin mentioned, we have some non-core sales that are continuing, the likes of Allara Street in Canberra, single asset, small building that we have in Alexandria, Bowden Street. That's a constant work in progress looking at, what is considered non-core and what will be crystallized.

Uh we're comforted and pleased to have contracted situation with the Camellia asset. Uh that's scheduled to complete by the end of September.

We'll we'll constantly look at, having the gearing level running uh at the lower end of the 25% to 40% range, and driving the income yield on our investments. That's what we see really as our best opportunity.

Ben Brayshaw

Okay. Thanks, Steven.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, to ask a question via the phones, please press star one.

To ask a question via the webcast, please type your question into the "Ask a Question" box. The next phone question comes from Connor Eldridge from JPMorgan.

Please go ahead.

Connor Eldridge

Hi, guys. Just a follow-on on on the Storage King stake.

Can you just share what you're assuming in in distribution income from that stake in in FY '27 guidance?

Evan Goodridge

Storage King announced their results uh last week, and they announced that their distribution would be 4.5 cents for um FY '27.

Connor Eldridge

Okay. You're assuming a full year of of that in your guidance?

Evan Goodridge

I think Stephen gave the best answer to Larry Gandler's question earlier on, which is that we assess all our uh assets. Um that one obviously is no longer a strategic stake as we no longer have the management associated with it, and it'll be assessed uh at the right appropriate time for the organization.

Connor Eldridge

Great. Thanks.

Just on um AFFO, can you just share what your assumption is in in FY '27 in terms of uh maintenance capex? I guess do you do you expect the dividend to be fully covered after accounting for that?

Evan Goodridge

Yeah. In the back of the appendices, um I think it's uh slide 21 from memory, uh we breakdown the maintenance capex, tenant incentives uh for FY '26.

You can safely assume that that number has been relatively consistent for a period of time.

Connor Eldridge

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we're showing no further questions via the phones.

I'll hand the conference back to management.

Steven Sewell

Thanks. Uh we do have a couple of web questions that have come in.

Uh one is in relation to the Myer building, the 50% interest in the Myer building we have in Melbourne. Uh we are very pleased with the performance of that asset.

Um, we're obviously conscious that, Myer is in a department store category, which uh at various times has its has its challenges. Um given the fundamentals of that real estate, a 4,000-m block of land in the CBD, I think it's the single biggest landholding in the middle of Melbourne, and the improvements that were spent on that building over the course of the last 10 or 12 years, uh we're very happy with that investment.

Um, the other question is just in relation to the change in distribution uh and the reduction to 6.7 cents. I just draw everybody's attention to what we've said about the payout ratio.

We've guided to an 80% to 90% payout ratio of FFO, which is a very material step-down from the payout ratio that has existed in the last two or three years. We think it's very prudent at this point in the cycle.

We think it is a a material change for the better. It does provide, that sort of step-off mark for growth and sustainable distributions going forward uh and in keeping with our peers.

Uh I think that's that's a prudent decision that we've taken today. That's about the end of the questions that we've received.

On that note, I will thank you for your attendance and look forward to speaking over the course of the next few days. Thank you.