Metso Corporation

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Q1 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptApril 22, 2026

Juha Rouhiainen

Good afternoon, good morning everyone. This is Juha from Metso's Investor Relations and a warm welcome to our first quarter '26 results conference call where we have our President and CEO, Sami Takaluoma, and CFO, Pasi Kyckling, briefing you about the results.

Sami will start with some of the highlights and then Pasi will walk you through financials and cash flows in more detail, and after that we are taking your questions. Before we start, a couple of reminders.

We will have our forward-looking statements disclaimer in the presentation deck, and today is our AGM, it's a busy day, and that's why we are going to limit this call to 50 minutes, please take that into account and ask as briefly as you can. We would appreciate that.

With these words, Sami, over to you.

Sami Takaluoma

Thank you, Juha, and good afternoon also from my behalf to everybody. Let's go through the Q1 performance.

In a nutshell, strong orders and delivered a solid margin during the first quarter of this year. Our orders received amounted €1,555 million.

This is 6% growth year-on-year, and in organic, constant currencies, it's 10%. Sales was €1,252 million, and this was also growth from last year, 3%, or in organic, constant currencies, 5%.

Adjusted EBITA €203 million, growth 5% year-on-year, and representing 16.2 margin relatively. Operating cash flow for the quarter was €78 million, and in the rolling 12 months, it's representing €856 million of operating cash flow.

As said, the order intake for the year was strong and kicked off our year very well and nicely. Our book-to-bill for the period is 1.24, improvement from the last year when it was 1.21.

Order growth was the strongest in the Aggregates equipment and Minerals aftermarket. Our backlog went up by 6%, and this was heavily driven by the aftermarket in our backlog now.

Sales growth that we delivered, that was mainly led by the Minerals equipment, where we continued to finish the projects. Minerals segment was the main contributor to adjusted EBITA growth that we delivered in Q1.

Our strategy, We Go Beyond, that we launched Q4 last year, and now under execution, it is focusing on the high-value growth elements. We are doing the investment in a rubber products plant in China.

During the period, we also completed the acquisition of MRA Automation, Australian-based automation and software company. One I really want to highlight here is the partnership with Loesche, and we are introducing the vertical roller mill dry grinding technology, groundbreaking with very energy-efficient way of doing the grinding in the future.

Completion of our divestments, both the ferros and our loading and hauling businesses, they were completed as planned during the period and creating further strength for our strategy execution focusing on the right topics. We have also completed the ERP renewal project.

Rollout is done. We have now state-of-the-art software in use for the whole company the same way, and the next phase is then to get the benefits of this investment in the coming quarters and years ahead of us.

Also want to highlight that record-high engagement score and also noteworthy, the active co-creation that is strengthening the growth culture that we have. We are measuring the employee engagement four times a year, and it was a pleasure to see the all-time-high scores now in the Q1 round.

Regarding the outlook, we keep the outlook unchanged. We do see the market as a positive, meaning that it stays in the stable, good activity level.

Market activity in both Minerals and Aggregates are expected to remain at the current level. Want to highlight also in this statement as well that the geopolitical turbulence could potentially affect the global economic growth and therefore also the market activity in our segments.

Now if I give the microphone to Pasi to walk through the financials and the cash flow topics.

Pasi Kyckling

Thank you, Sami, and good day everyone also on my behalf. Let's start by looking at our orders and revenue development.

Order intake at €1,555 million, representing 6% year-on-year growth or 10% growth in constant currencies. The equipment side of the business grew 8% or 12% in constant currencies, and aftermarket orders by 4% or 8% in constant currencies.

The order performance was especially good in aggregate capital side, and then Minerals aftermarket business. Aftermarket part of the overall orders was 66%.

In this quarter, we also won the €100 million greenfield copper project in Peru, and in the comparison period, we had €60 million order from Almalyk project in Uzbekistan included. The order book at the end of Q1 totalled to €3.6 billion.

It's roughly 6% up year-on-year, and all that increase comes from Minerals aftermarket business. Then our revenue at €1,252 million was 3% up or 5% in constant currencies, and it was driven by equipment.

Aftermarket was 1% down, and aftermarket represented 55% of our sales. Let's then look at our EBITA development and earnings per share.

Our EBITA increased to €203 million, and then from margin point of view, the increase was 0.3 margin points from 15.9 to 16.2. The higher volumes contributed with €13 million in a positive way, and the gross margin increased by €25 million or by 2 margin points.

Then on the headwind side, we have increase in our SG&A by €12 million, and then under other items, it's primarily currency where we had last year some tailwind and then this year some headwind, and this relates primarily to hedges that we don't hedge-account, and we need to mark to market at the end of each quarter. Overall, in Q1, both equipment businesses in Aggregates and in Minerals continued to deliver healthy margin levels.

Then EPS is unchanged from year ago at 14 euro cents. If we then move to our cash flow, and cash flow from operations was lower than in comparison period at €78 million.

This was mainly due to inventory build-up and timing of the cash flows in our mineral capital project deliveries. In inventory, it's primarily work in progress inventory, and it is in both aggregate capital and then Minerals aftermarket.

In Minerals aftermarket, it is especially upgrades and modernisations where we have had good order intake during last year and are now in the middle of delivering many of those activities. In Aggregates, it is Aggregates capital.

It's more seasonal. We are preparing for the stronger equipment delivery season during the European or Northern Hemisphere summer period.

Looking at the rolling 12-month cash flow from operations and then the cash conversion, we continue to be at healthy level, and we expect to deliver also healthy cash flow throughout the 2026. If we then move to our balance sheet, and balance sheet continues to be strong and supports fully our strategy execution.

Net debt to EBITDA is unchanged at 1.2 times. We continue to have Baa2 long-term credit rating with positive outlook from Moody's, and that continues to be a good support for us while we execute our strategy.

Let's then look at our segments and start with Aggregates, where we have all-time high order intake at €440 million, and it's noteworthy that in this order intake, we see a clear pattern that some of the orders are placed not only for the second quarter, but also for the second half of the year. Sort of a pre-buying phenomena visible in that regard.

The equipment orders represent 20% growth, and aftermarket is 14% down. Regarding the aftermarket development, I just want to highlight that we have done a minor adjustment in our presentation between capital and aftermarket when it comes to screens, and that has slight negative impact on the reported growth numbers in the aftermarket part both in orders and revenue, and we have not adjusted the comparison periods.

Then EBITA in Aggregates was €1 million down at €48 million with solid 16% margin, and continued healthy margins in the equipment side of the business. If we then look at our Minerals, there the orders increased by 5% or 8% in constant currencies to slightly above €1.1 billion.

Equipment orders were flat or 3% up in constant currencies. Again, just want to highlight the major order that we won from Southern Peru Copper Corporation regarding their greenfield copper project in Peru.

Small- and medium-sized orders were at good level and in average at the same level that we had during 2025. Then aftermarket orders increased 7% in reported currencies or reported numbers, and 10% in constant currencies, and the upgrade and modernisation part of the business from order point of view is up 14% year-on-year.

We continue to see a very healthy development there. Then spares and consumables are supported by the good, high utilisation in our existing customer mines.

Aftermarket share of the total orders was 66%. Then sales increased 5% to €953 million, representing 6% organic growth.

We had 3% currency impact, and then also 2% positive impact from acquisitions that were concluded after the previous period. Equipment sales up 14%, and aftermarket up 1%.

Again, we continue to have a very strong order backlog when it comes to aftermarket, and expect that to deliver also revenues during the coming quarters. Adjusted EBITA at €168 million with solid 17.6% margin, and this was supported by overall sales increase and then healthy profitability in our equipment part of the Minerals business.

With that, I would like to hand back to Sami to summarise our quarter.

Sami Takaluoma

Thank you, Pasi said already, very solid start for the year and strong orders, creating a very good, healthy backlog. We do see the heightened geopolitical uncertainty remaining as a risk, and then our strategy execution is progressing very well at the moment.

With that, to you, Juha.

Juha Rouhiainen

Thank you, gentlemen, and Operator, now it's time to open the Q&A lines.

Operator

If you wish to ask a question, please dial pound key 5 on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. If you wish to withdraw your question, please dial pound key 6 on your telephone keypad.

The next question comes from Chitrita Sinha from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Chitrita Sinha

Hi. Good morning, Sami and Pasi.

Thank you for taking my questions. I have three, please.

Just firstly to ask on the phasing of the aftermarket deliveries this year. If I look at kind of the average orders of the last few quarters, it's been above 650, but then Q1 deliveries was weaker, was below 600.

Can we expect a pick-up from Q2? How are you thinking about that?

Sami Takaluoma

Thank you. Good question, and your logic is correct.

We do see that we have this good backlog that has been built up, and the deliveries are starting from the Q2 onwards then, and that is something that you can expect to see from the Q2 sales point of view.

Chitrita Sinha

Great, thank you. Then my second question is just if you could provide a bit more colour on kind of the demand backdrop in Minerals.

We've clearly seen a significant amount of volatility in commodity prices this year. Maybe by commodity would be really helpful.

Sami Takaluoma

Yes, we have highlighted this also in the report that we do see this as a risk. We all remember what was the year '25 and how tariffs did impact partly for that demand.

However, the indications of any major delays or postponing or even canceling the decision of the new capital projects are not really here, we don't hear that from those customers that we discuss at the moment. It's very clear that, especially the energy price, cost, and how does the future look like is having an impact, and it needs to be calculated in for those projects, so that's why we do keep that as a potential risk at the moment.

Pasi Kyckling

Just adding a little bit colour from commodity point of view. Like we have seen during the course of last year and early this year, we still continue to see high amount of activity in copper- and gold-driven projects, don't see that those demand drivers have changed by any means, it's the same market where we continue to operate.

Chitrita Sinha

Thank you. Then final question is just on the inventory build-up this quarter.

I know you've provided a bit more colour in terms of why that happened, but maybe if you could give a bit more detail in terms of what kind of range should we be thinking about. Previously, we've spoken about maybe going towards the 1,800 level, and now if I look at the Q1 inventory level, it's gone back towards the 2 billion.

Is there maybe a range that we should be thinking about when looking at inventories? Thank you.

Pasi Kyckling

Thank you for that, and fair question. At the same time we will not provide you a sort of a range, but rather think that way that over time the inventory efficiency, and as a matter of fact, working capital efficiency overall should not deteriorate.

While we don't have a formal target, financial target on working capital and inventory to be more specific, we see opportunities to improve the efficiency. Obviously, first quarter was not the proof point of that, but it's only one balance sheet point, and we are working with the underlying drivers there to improve the overall efficiency and then provide solid cash conversion.

When I talk about efficiencies, I'm referring to working capital over sales, or then DIO, DSO, DPO-type relative indicators.

Chitrita Sinha

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Klas Bergelind from Citi. Please go ahead.

Klas Bergelind

Thank you. Hi, Sami and Pasi.

Klas at Citi. My first one is on Section 232 and the changes to steel, aluminium and copper from April 6th.

I'm trying to understand the extent you're impacted. Will this increase your effective tariff rate, and by how much, and can you remind us of the import share to US for the group and for the two divisions, and how much today of COGS is steel, aluminium and copper?

I have a 50% import share for the group and about high single-digit share of COGS being raw mats, but any more sort of colour here would be very, very helpful. Thank you.

Pasi Kyckling

Thanks, Klas, and good and current one. Not sure if I can provide all that detail to you, but if we start from the helicopter point of view, aggregate business continues to be excluded from 232, and we indeed recently saw the change in 232 when it comes to sort of the calculation basis for that.

Earlier it was the steel, aluminium content, and now it seems to be the total tariff value of the equipment in question. Then obviously, that's driving the tariff base up.

From our point of view, we continue to work with the same approach as we have done during the course of last year, we work with our customers with surcharges, and the new surcharges based on this initial period seem to be higher, which makes sense from the calculation logic point of view, and that is what we are charging from our customers. Again, we are not making money out of those, but we are not suffering from those either.

That's the approach we have taken and continue to take on this.

Klas Bergelind

You're basically seeing the reciprocal tariff basically. You're not seeing anything on steel, aluminium and copper from Section 232 impacting the Aggregates business, just to confirm if that's what you see.

Pasi Kyckling

That's correct. To be more specific on Aggregates, and maybe I said it already, but screens and crushers are excluded from this tariff, and there was a speculation late last year that the exclusion would come to an end, but we haven't seen that happening, which is obviously positive.

Klas Bergelind

Okay. No, that's good to hear.

My second very quick one, I know we're only allowed to ask one question, but it's super quick. Just on Aggregates, you're talking about pull forward of orders.

Can we talk a little bit about the reasons? Were there some pull forward because people were thinking that this could be a change for tariffs?

Was this North America-led? Also in Europe, are you seeing some hesitation?

Obviously, Aggregates is and construction is quite sensitive to inflation, rates, and so forth, it's early days, but are we seeing any sort of customer discussions showing some hesitations in Europe, just to get some more colour on this pull forward and also European commentary? Thank you.

Sami Takaluoma

Thanks, Klas. What we did see was this orders in US for the Aggregates with requested delivery date not immediately, but later on the year, we took that as a positive signal that the customers and our distributors do see the market as a very good and looking good also going forward, and these have been then reflecting these orders, the situation in the market.

When it comes to the Europe, it still remains kind of not one rule to apply for the whole continent, but it's more like a country-based approaches. We see activity in a southern and eastern European side, and then remains still quite slow from the perspective of so-called, maybe even more traditional aggregate countries.

From that point of view, do we see elevated level of hesitation, discussions? Not maybe really, Klas, it's not unchanged from the end of the year when it comes to the European side.

Pasi Kyckling

Maybe then just from order

Klas Bergelind

book

Pasi Kyckling

Klas, still, from order book point of view, both Europe and North America had a healthy order growth. This growth is coming from both of our main markets.

Klas Bergelind

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Christian Hinderaker from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Christian Hinderaker

Morning Sami, Pasi, Juha. I want to start on the Middle East if I may.

Can you just confirm your percent sales exposure to the region, maybe highlight any single country context worth discussing? Then you mentioned in the release targeted measures to manage supply chain and operational risks.

I appreciate it's fluid, but what's your current base case for the direct and indirect cost effects?

Sami Takaluoma

To start from the region, it represents something like 3% of the whole company sales, so that's the exposure. Of course, the situation has created certain activities also on our side.

Logistics is one clear one. We have been quite good situation because many of our supply routes have already been going around Africa before the incident started, from that perspective.

The countries in question, obviously, Saudi is a big one for us. We got at the end of last year the gold plant order, as an example, and then also Oman has been a country that we have a lot of activity at the moment.

As it is today, operations continue, our work continues, but we, of course, need to very carefully all the time observe the situation and how it develops. This is how we see the Middle East situation at the moment.

Pasi Kyckling

Maybe still just to add a colour. Obviously, logistics costs are up.

We see some fossil fuel-related inflation, and the way we are approaching this is similar that we did during the COVID time, playing inflation game in a way in both ends of the supply chain, where in one hand with our suppliers and then in the other hand with customers to manage it well. Just to confirm that we obviously see also some of those inflationary pressures that have surfaced after the crisis.

Christian Hinderaker

Thank you. Can I just come back to the Section 232 and also your comments on Aggregates pre-buy?

If a customer's ordering now, are they affected by the tariff if it changes later, as do you think the pre-buy is about that tariff concern, or you think it's more about hopes for a demand improvement?

Pasi Kyckling

Christian, it's a very good question, and, when it comes to tariff speculations, obviously, should there be tariffs, we don't know how they are implemented, whether they are implemented on sort of new deliveries, or everything that crosses the border after a certain point, and so forth, so that's difficult to say. Our read is more that that's a sign of confidence to longer-term market development in the US and sort of our partners, distributors, customers preparing for that not only in imminent short-term, but also looking towards the second half of the year.

Christian Hinderaker

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Antti Kansanen from SEB. Please go ahead.

Antti Kansanen

Hi, guys. A few questions from me as well.

I'll start with the demand on the Minerals aftermarket side, and good growth, and you have had now four quarters of decent growth on the business, could you maybe remind a little bit on kind of the growth potential going forward, the comparison, the timing of kind of when you started to see the modernisation and retrofit business increasing? Is it reasonable now to assume a bit of a normalisation on the growth, or do you think you can still accelerate on that one?

Sami Takaluoma

Thanks, Antti. For the Minerals aftermarket side, it's one of those centerpieces of this growth strategy, and we do see potential to continue to deliver growth, and actually the target as well is that we see the aftermarket products demand very very good at the moment, market as well, and that makes us to see that single-digit, strong single-digit growth numbers to be delivered also in the future.

Very well, and reminder that we are having the widest portfolio of the technologies in the downstream of the minerals processing, and that gives us a very good potential for the growth going forward as well. Modernisation and upgrades, they are the one that have a certain cyclicity, and from that perspective, as Pasi was stating, we have seen good amount of these orders coming in the past few quarters already.

How that looks going forward is that the funnel, the pipeline for new orders is looking good, and then it's about the timing issue of the customers to make the actual decision to move forward with these opportunities.

Antti Kansanen

Great. Then maybe a follow-up on the things that you said on what do you expect from the decision-making and kind of the geopolitical uncertainties.

I just wanted to make sure because you've been quite optimistic on certain large orders and investment decisions. Have you seen any concrete evidence kind of in March or early April that some of your clients have been maybe slowing down some of the processes, or are asking to recalculate some of the project items because of inflation, or is this just a kind of a cautionary statement if the war lingers on and will have an additional impact?

Sami Takaluoma

We have, as I said already, many of the customers that we have discussions in a certain phase, they have not indicated any change of the timetables. Then on the other hand, yes, we do see also recalculation need also coming to our direction to check certain project elements and the timing of them, and also the price from our side to them.

It's an indication that the recalculation, it is happening, and for me, it makes sense also to do that, of course, but this is why we remain a little bit cautious of that what will be the true impact of this for this greenfield and large brownfield projects going forward during this year.

Antti Kansanen

Okay. The very last from me is your exposure to LNG availability and prices through your foundry set-up.

Could you comment if there's any substantial risk that you see because of the war?

Sami Takaluoma

Thank you. That's coming mainly from the India side where the LNG was and is the main energy source.

Yes, we did see the risks, especially in the beginning of the escalation of the situation and the incident in Qatar. What we have seen is that the prices have increased, which is natural, but the biggest risk that we had in our hands was that do we have enough LNG to run the operations, that has not materialized, we have been able to operate normally, but the cost level has increased.

Also our suppliers have been seeing the same and adjusting the prices, so as Pasi was saying, this is what we see logistic side and also then the component and supplier side.

Antti Kansanen

This will lead to price increases from your end?

Sami Takaluoma

This is the normal way to handle this, so as said, we have taken this into account in our price increases that have been introduced in April and 1st of May, the next batch.

Antti Kansanen

All right. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Tore Fangmann from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Tore Fangmann

Thank you. Good afternoon.

Thank you, Sami and Pasi, for taking the time. Just two questions left for me, both on the Aggregates side of the business.

First one would be, we do see now and for a while a pick-up in the equipment demand in Aggregates, but on the other side, the service part, the aftermarket side of things remains fairly low and weak. Could you just help me square this together?

There's need from customers for new equipment, but on the other side, the utilisation still remains low. Thank you.

Sami Takaluoma

For the aftermarket question, it is exactly as you said. When the utilisation of the machines is low, then the demand and need for the aftermarket products is also low, and that's the reason for our aftermarket not yet in a growth mode in the Aggregates side.

Then our capital equipment business in Aggregate is going through the distribution, especially in the US, and then the equipment is ordered and delivered, and they don't always go directly for the end customers to use to generate the aftermarket either because during the '25, the distributor stock levels normalised, meaning that every month they were in a lower and lower level, now there is a need for restocking and having the machines available for the work for the end customers with the coming months and quarters.

Tore Fangmann

Understood. Then maybe just to follow up on this one.

To me, when utilisation still is low, it feels like the overall end-market demand has still not really picked up. The current growth in equipment, and you also mentioned some pre-buying already for the second half of the year, is this all just distributor-driven, or is this actually end-market demand-driven, the pick-up that you see?

Sami Takaluoma

I think the pick-up is the end-market driven, but need to remember that this is very regional, or let's say, even local business. As an example from the Europe, there might be good activity both in the new equipment orders and also utilisation of the existing equipment in the country, and then the neighbouring country might be on the quite opposite way.

This is what is highlighting also the dynamics of the aggregate industry in general.

Tore Fangmann

Understood. Then I understand strength in Europe is largely driven by the Eastern European countries.

Any sense around Germany or other Western European countries picking up again, any impact from the infrastructure package from Germany, if that's something you can share? Thank you.

Sami Takaluoma

The so-called traditional good markets for us like Germany, France, and so on, they are not zero, but on a lowish level, and for the Germany-specific question, our customers do not see yet any impact of that stimulus package that was announced, so that's why they have not been activating themselves either when it comes to the orders.

Tore Fangmann

Perfect. Thank you so much.

Operator

The next question comes from William Mackie from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.

William Mackie

Good afternoon, and thank you for fitting me in here to you all. My first maybe was to go back to the question about Minerals aftermarket and just dive into the discussions about the disconnect between the order intake and the revenue booking.

Can you maybe provide a bit more colour on what it is that has caused the lumpiness of orders and the disconnect for the revenue booking in aftermarket Minerals, and when we look into the Q2 to Q4 acceleration of revenue bookings, can you give a little flavour as to the either the regions or the product segments which you expect to lead to that upturn in aftermarket, please?

Pasi Kyckling

Yes, Will. Thank you very much.

Good question. If we start from lumpiness point of view, especially the orders, we believe we have seen sort of a solid, healthy, high single-digit growth from period to period like we saw also now.

Maybe, if you refer to with lumpiness to revenue side, indeed, the growth has not yet picked up in revenue, and that is simply timing question for us. The backlog is healthy.

We discussed the upgrades, modernisations, retrofits, delivery times there are longer than in the transactional part of the business. Then you were also asking about regions.

Don't know if we can point out a specific region. It's generally the mining regions.

One area to highlight when it comes to upgrades and modernisations is, of course, Australia and the iron ore-related modernisation cycle that needs to happen and is happening there, but it's not only that. It's also in the other mining regions.

Again, we believe we are in a very good position with the order book. Like I said, the full backlog growth is from Minerals aftermarket order of magnitude €200 million year-on-year growth there, and that will realise to revenues during the coming quarters.

William Mackie

Thank you very much. The maybe the second or follow-up was that, I wanted to go back to your medium-term goal of 20% margins in Minerals.

If we look, you've made a great step forward to the 17.6%, but it's still 240 bps below your target. Equip equipment seems to be rising as a share of mix, which is normally something of a headwind.

Perhaps you could walk through again the levers to get us back to the or get to the 20% with regard to pricing, aftermarket efficiencies, and and what sort of timeframe to get there.

Pasi Kyckling

If we start from the timeframe, so, our target is to deliver those margins both in Minerals, Aggregates and as Metso by 2028, so that's the timing we are looking. Then, when it comes to levers, it's about growth and specifically in aftermarket.

We recognise that in capital side it may be lumpier, especially orders, to some extent also revenue recognition, but even the big projects, the revenue spans over six, eight, in some cases even, 10 10 quarters. Then, Will, the point you are raising regarding the business mix between capital and aftermarket, not at all a major concern for us, and then the reason is simply that the margins are good to start with.

We have healthy capital business in Minerals, and if we see volumes going up, which we, by the way, don't currently see because the order book has been built with aftermarket focus, that will give us volume leverage. Then we are also working with the portfolio optimisation to sort of grow the higher margin solutions or businesses that we have within Minerals, and then improve profitability in the areas where we lag behind our targets.

Finally, self-help is also something we are doing, and again, none of us will make miracles overnight, but the time horizon we have in mind is to deliver in line with these targets by 2028.

William Mackie

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Panu Laitinmäki from Danske Bank. Please go ahead.

Panu Laitinmäki

Hi. I wanted to ask about SG&A costs.

What was behind the increase we saw in Q1, and how should we think about ERP costs? Are the kind of ERP implementation costs over, and should you actually get the benefit from the new ERP system going forward?

Pasi Kyckling

Thank you, Panu, and the costs are up, order of magnitude 3% in line with the inflation. Obviously, something we are not happy with.

Our ambition is to offset the inflation. Then, inflation is the main driver in the cost increases that we saw Q1 year-on-year.

Then, ERP specifically, like Sami said as part of his summary, the implementation is over. We have closed the implementation project, the specific costs related to implementation, we had some still in Q1, second quarter we will not have those anymore, going forward, we have a clean ride from that point of view.

Now is the time to start harvesting benefits from the investment, and it has been a massive project. It's a big change to our teams, but we see those efficiencies coming through.

Again, will not happen overnight, requires dedicated work. Provides also opportunities to apply more new technologies.

Everybody is talking about AI. We are also thinking and working with AI.

It relates to ERP, but it relates to other things as well. A big investment, and indeed, you are right, we need payback for that.

Panu Laitinmäki

Thank you. Can I just ask, can you quantify what was the ERP implementation cost in Q1?

Pasi Kyckling

In Q1, we talk about single-digit millions like we have had throughout the implementation phase. Second quarter last year, you may remember, we had a bit accelerated or increased cost because that was the biggest sort of go-live that we had, but other than that, single-digit millions that we have had in P&L from that per quarter.

Panu Laitinmäki

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from David Farrell from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

David Farrell

Hi. Morning.

Thanks very much for taking my question. I just wanted to circle back to one of the highlights of the period, which was the partnership with Loesche and the VRM product that you are pursuing there.

Just give us a bit of extra detail around that, kind of what is it looking to replace, kind of what kind of market share do you think that kind of gives you? Just any extra colour around that would be great, please.

Sami Takaluoma

Thank you for that question. It's very very new technology for the mining circuit, but we chose to partner with the market leader in other industry, mainly in cement, the Loesche.

What is this technology doing? It is dry grinding, and we all know that the new greenfield locations, they are quite challenging locations, not only with the infrastructure, but also when it comes to the supply of water.

In that sense, this is going to be helping a lot for those future flow sheets in terms of not needing to have that amount of water in the mining minerals processing processes. Second clear benefit is that this is energy-efficient way of doing the grinding.

We talk about 40% less compared to the conventional grinding operations. Then as a cherry on the cake, you can also optimize the flow sheet, actually less equipment is going to be needed when the dry grinding is fully implemented in the flow sheet.

We see a lot of positive elements here for making a difference in the mining operations.

David Farrell

Thank you. Just as a follow-up, when do you think we could perhaps see the first one of these orders be received by Metso?

Sami Takaluoma

An excellent question. This typically is a slow process from the perspective, of course, we are more than happy to take the orders immediately, we are ready for that, but it's a slow process because it first needs to get into the flow sheet, and then the process starts from the customer side to develop the project, get the financing, get the cost base, and so forth.

Typically, it is some time from this kind of launch that we start to see the first orders. Teams are very engaged, and there is a good interest towards this technology, we are waiting eagerly to see when we start to get the benefit of orders.

David Farrell

Thanks. I'll turn it over, let someone else have a go before the end of our 50 minutes.

Operator

The next question comes from Mikael Doepel from Nordea. Please go ahead.

Mikael Doepel

Thank you. Very briefly, coming back to working capital, just one question on that.

You talked about the reasons for the build-up there, but just wondering if you have any comments on the full year, do you expect that to reverse in the second half? Thanks.

Pasi Kyckling

Thank you, Mikael, and like I said, in relative terms, we have an ambition to be in par or improve our performance over time on sort of a rolling basis and not to repeat the working capital investment that we did in Q1. Then again, if the business continues to grow in a significant way, it may be that in absolute terms we need to invest more.

I guess that's really what we can say at this stage.

Mikael Doepel

Okay. Thank you.

Juha Rouhiainen

All right. Thank you, everybody.

As a final question, I have received a question from Ed Hussey of UBS by email. Ed is offline, but he wants to ask about operational leverage.

He says that Metso delivered strong drop-through margin in Q1 despite equipment being a bit higher in the mix. What was the main driver of improvement in gross margins, and what kind of drop-throughs should we think about going forward, specifically in Minerals?

Pasi Kyckling

Thanks, Ed for the question. I think we partly discussed this during one of the earlier questions, but the starting point is that we have healthy equipment margins.

We had healthy equipment margins also in Q1, and even with this business mix were able to deliver a solid Minerals margin. The gross margin uplift there is, of course, a function of price work, cost work, and that continues.

We don't guide on margins, can't give you exact number there, but what we expect, like we have also discussed, is the aftermarket order backlog to realise to revenues, and aftermarket continues to have higher margin than the capital, so that will also support us going forward.

Juha Rouhiainen

All right. Thank you, and we have spent exactly 50 minutes, thanks for being efficient.

Thanks for your questions. Thanks for participating.

We conclude here, and just a reminder that half-year review will be out on July 24th, but we hope to see many of you in the meantime in various events. Thanks again, and goodbye.

Pasi Kyckling

Thank you.

Sami Takaluoma

Thank you.