RHI Magnesita NV

RHI Magnesita NV

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Q1 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptApril 29, 2026

Operator

Welcome to today's RHI Magnesita Q1 trading update. My name is Seb and I'll be the operator for your call today.

If you'd like to ask a question during the Q&A session, please press star one on your telephone keypad. If you'd like to withdraw your question, please press star two.

You can also submit text questions via the webcast. I will now hand you over to Stefan Borgas, CEO, to begin.

Please go ahead.

Stefan Borgas

Thank you very much. Good morning from Vienna.

I'm Stefan, the RHI Magnesita CEO. I'm joined here in the room by Ian Botha, our CFO, and our investor relations team around Alex Ohlsson.

Let me give you the highlights, the key messages for the last three months, or for the first three months of the year, and then I'll give you a bit of more granularity around this, and Ian will give you some headline numbers. The four key messages: unfortunately, demand for refractories across both of the big market segments, steel and industrial, was slightly weaker in the first quarter of 2026 than in the appropriate time period in 2025.

Our own volumes into the steel market were more or less in line with prior year, with pricing benefits coming through, but our industrial project-related volumes remain subdued, even compared to last year. First message: really, still very soft demand.

Second message: our adjusted EBITDA increased meaningfully year-on-year, which was all related to the continued execution of our self-help initiatives that we have put in place and that we continue to accelerate. Some pricing actions to catch up with cost increases actually, a lot of cost discipline around our company, network optimization in our production network, and some targeted supply chain measures also supported this EBITDA growth.

Additional activities around the geopolitical surprises that we experienced during the first quarter, really relying on our digital supply chain capabilities that we have built in the last years, helped us to navigate through this difficulty around logistics problems around the Strait of Hormuz quite well. That's the second message: very good EBITDA improvement.

The third message: we can reconfirm our full year guidance for adjusted EBITDA of €435 million on a constant currency basis, or €400 million around, if we take the today's view on foreign exchange rate into consideration. Same outlook than we had in the full year three months ago.

That will translate, together with our strong cash generation that we show, a leverage reduction towards about 2.6 times net debt to EBITDA. Those are the three key messages: very weak demand, really good progress on the profit development of the company, and confirmation of the guidance both on cash flow as well as on profitability.

Let me give you a bit more detail now about these topics. Demand remained weak.

It's a challenging market in which we are, and it is made more challenging through the geopolitical tensions. Our own steel volumes were broadly in line with the first quarter last year, some moderate pricing benefits, but the regional performance is actually quite different.

On the industrial project side, our volumes stay subdued. In the steel segments, price improvements helped to have a slightly positive trend on the top line, on the revenue line.

This is an encouraging performance because the global steel production fell by 2.3% in the first quarter of this year, 2.3% lower steel production globally just published by World Steel Association compared to the first quarter of 2025, which wasn't exactly banger. Our cost management measures, together with the pricing benefit, supported a recovery in the gross profit towards more normalized levels, with a clear improvement compared to the prior year, clearly.

Based on our current visibility, we see early signs of a possible gradual improvement in steel demand through the remainder of 2026, although the first early ones from the first quarter are not super encouraging on the volume side. In industrial market, cement season was broadly normal, not super strong.

Earnings very similar level than first quarter of 2025. The industrial project-related volumes remain still very, very low.

Non-ferrous metals were broadly flat versus last year, but glass volumes in the first quarter were even lower than 2025. Also here, our cost discipline, together with some pricing action, supported the gross profit so that we could at least keep it flat year-over-year despite lower volumes.

The order book in industrial projects shows a good improvement, especially in non-ferrous metals. In the other market segments, less so.

We are carefully confident about the improvements, especially in the second quarter. That is very clearly there because we've already producing the materials against these orders, but also in the second half of the year, the order book looks slightly better than last year.

I'd like to give you the regional perspective of this as well, not just the segment perspective. North America and Latin America, they continue to deliver strong earnings in Q1.

In North America, the steel business performed well alongside quarterly steel production growth of 2.3% per year compared to last year, despite supply chain disruptions because of all the winter storms. That happens in the US, nothing to worry about, and that equals each other out over time, not fully in the first quarter, but that will happen.

In Latin America, our performance was more driven by the strength of the industrial business than by the steel business because steel in Latin America is down. India, China, East Asia, and Middle East and Africa performed broadly in line with our expectations, with a little bit stronger steel performance in those regions offsetting weaker industrial demand pretty much everywhere in this part of the world.

Europe and CIS underperformed across both steel and industrial in terms of volumes, reflecting a volume shift from the first quarter into the second quarter, especially on the industrial side. In Europe, the performance is expected to improve over the remainder of the year, especially driven by the cost reductions that are now coming into the P&L step-by-step, and by a recovery, albeit slow, in the industrial projects.

Staying with Europe, we have to note that towards the end of the quarter, we announced the review of our production footprint in France, which includes the potential to close one plant there and to convert another one into a recycling hub because it is really well positioned there from a circular economy perspective in the middle of many, many customer sites. To advance this discussion, we are deeply engaged with the local works councils, and we, of course, are totally committed to manage this transition responsibly together with them.

The actions are part of the ongoing network optimization program that aims at improving our competitiveness, our operational efficiency, improve our customer service level, and reduce our costs. The conflict in the Middle East had not had a material impact on the group's performance until now.

Local customers in the Middle East clearly were affected. We had lower volumes to them because they produced less and they needed less, but our overall exposure to that region in the total context of RHI Magnesita is relatively small, we don't feel it in the total context very much yet.

Important to be noticed, or we are kind of proud that all shipments that were affected by this, you can imagine dozens and dozens of containers were affected when this incident happened some weeks ago, but all of them were successfully redirected via alternative routes with a super fast reaction that started even on the day of the very first attack that happened in that region. On that very day, we already redirected some of the shipments.

That shows that the supply chain capabilities that we have built in the last three years enable now a really rapid response, service level for our customers that are not affected by such disruptions, although even not the service level in that region. Therefore, I think we have a really world-leading supply chain capability and delivery capability for our customers now.

More broadly speaking, inflationary pressures that are linked to the energy costs and freight costs, and now also related raw material costs, are being actively managed. We are largely able to mitigate the impact on RHI Magnesita through pricing measures, including surcharges for those activities.

Customers are very cooperative. It doesn't affect them very much because it's such a small part of their total cost, they work with us.

It's a really good and open discussion with customers, and pricing is generally accepted here. The longer-term impact of the conflict remains uncertain.

We can just not predict this. We will continue to monitor this closely, and if we can see structure changes, of course, we will let everybody know and talk about it.

Against this backdrop, our local-for-local strategy and our modern, increasingly digitalized supply chain capabilities continue to support the service levels that we can offer to customers, and we can really be confident that we can deliver here because we've just acid-tested these capabilities. Let me hand it over to Ian, who will give you a bit more details on the numbers.

Ian.

Ian Botha

Thank you, Stefan, and good morning. Adjusted EBITDA in the first quarter increased by approximately 15% year-on-year, or 46% on a constant currency basis.

This improvement reflects sustained cost discipline and the ongoing benefits of self-help measures implemented in 2025 and in '26, supporting a recovery in profitability towards more normalized levels. Foreign exchange represented a significant headwind, as we guided, primarily due to the year-on-year depreciation of the US dollar and the Indian rupee.

We confirm our full year guidance for adjusted EBITDA of €435 million on a constant currency basis, or approximately €400 million after foreign exchange impacts. The improvement in earnings continues to be underpinned by four structural levers, most of which are progressing in line with our expectations.

First, our network optimization program is on track. Second, SG&A reduction is delivering in line with expectations, driven by digitalization, process standardization, and the continued expansion of our shared services model.

Third, pricing discipline remains strong, supported by the ongoing expansion of our 4PRO offering. Finally, we are seeing early signs of a gradual improvement in the industrial business, particularly, as Stefan mentioned, in non-ferrous metals.

These measures have already demonstrated their effectiveness in the second half of 2025, and we remain confident in their continued contribution to earnings improvement 2026 and beyond. Turning to net debt, net debt increased in Q1 compared to the year-end 2025, with leverage remaining broadly in line with recent levels.

The increase was driven by higher working capital, reflecting a planned build-up in inventories ahead of anticipated stronger sales in the second quarter, particularly in industrial projects. This build-up is consistent with normal seasonal patterns, and is expected to unwind over the remainder of the year.

Cash conversion for the full year is expected to exceed 90%, supported by disciplined working capital management. Year-end working capital intensity is expected to be around 22%, in line with our earlier guidance, although it will be higher at the half year, as is normal.

We expect net debt to decline over the course of the year to around €1.4 billion, with leverage reducing to approximately 2.6 times by year-end. I will now hand you back to Stefan for closing comments.

Stefan Borgas

Thank you, Ian. Not much left to say.

Let me summarize our key messages again. We delivered a solid start to the year in an environment of weaker demand both in steel markets, if we look at it from a global perspective, and in the industrial markets as well.

Second, our earnings had meaningful improvements, all driven by disciplined execution of our self-help initiatives, and supported by our strong supply chain agility and capability to sustainably deliver a best-in-class service to our customers. Third, we reconfirm our full year guidance both on profits as well as on cash flow.

Thank you for joining us this morning, and of course, we're super happy about your questions and the discussion that will now follow.

Operator

Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad.

If you'd like to withdraw your question, please press star two. You can also submit any text questions via the webcast.

Starting with questions from the phone, we have Jonathan Hearn with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Hearn

Hey guys, good morning. Just a few questions for me, please.

Good morning. Sorry if I missed this, but can you just talk about that sort of robust order intake you saw in the Middle East or you've seen in the Middle East for Q2?

Is that kind of back to the level you were in sort of Q4 in terms of order intake, or has it kind of normalized relative to where it was historically? That was the first question on the Middle East.

The second question was just on the profitability. Obviously, you've seen a good organic growth in terms of profit, and obviously you called out the self-help measures.

Can you just sort of talk us through maybe or breakout how we can or how we think about the margin there, but just between sort of backward integration and the normal margin there? That was the second one.

The third one was just in terms of the industrial project. If we look at the sort of the history there, it looked like in terms of industrial projects 2025 was the low.

What you're saying here is that we should actually get back to industrial project growth '26 on '25. Those are essentially my three questions.

Thanks.

Stefan Borgas

All right. Let me start, and then maybe Ian can give you a bit of a profit breakdown on the backward integration.

Order intake in the Middle East, we didn't specifically talk about this. What we have experienced is a clear increase in order intake, especially in non-ferrous metals, for the second quarter of this year, that deliveries are in full implementation here, clearly there's a step up, and also a bit of a stronger order intake for the second half of this year, again driven in industrial business, driven by industrial projects.

In the Middle East, the trend is very similar. Industrial projects are a little bit stronger than last year.

That helps. Order intake in general isn't very much higher.

We have benefited a little bit from customers' need for short-term deliveries because we're able to fulfill those, so that gives us a bit of a market share improvement here. Otherwise, the Middle East isn't much stronger than last year at this point in time.

In terms of profit split, backward integration margin is not improving. Raw material prices have not increased significantly, there's not a big change this year.

Our profit improvement in the company comes solely from the self-help measures that we have already talked about. It's the cost reduction in the production network, it's the efficiency improvements, it's the SG&A measures, and it's some cost reduction also on the raw material side that, of course, helps the backward integration.

Industrial projects, we are still, Jonathan, in a very low level. There's no recovery to historic levels yet to be seen.

In non-ferrous, this is on the way, but it's not a jump, it's a step-by-step improvement, we are confident that we'll have a better non-ferrous year this year than last year, and then next year it should improve yet again because of the projects that are in the making, that's already visible. In glass, we see an increased number of requests for quotes and project discussion, but not yet reflected in the order intake.

We see some good business development in the refinery sector, interestingly, despite the Middle East or maybe because of the Middle East situation, so that segment also will help us. We see some interesting activities especially in the interest of many of our cement customers around the world for more of a solution approach rather than simple commodity selling, which is also good because it helps us on the market share and it helps us on the stability of the business.

This is the industrial improvement, but we're not at the level yet where we can say industrial projects will this year or even next year be back at the level of 2023. We're not there.

Ian, any more comments on the profit improvement?

Ian Botha

Thanks, Stefan. Morning, Jonathan.

We confirm our full year EBITDA margin guidance of 11.5%. That includes 1% for backward integration.

Our magnesite-based raw material prices and our raw material plant utilization remains subdued, essentially we're seeing a continuation of where we were at the end of 2025, around 1%. Also, just to mention on the absolute margin at 11.5%, there is a timing dimension to it, we would expect to see the second quarter normally being better than the first quarter, and the second half to be better than the first half.

I think at around the half year, we should probably be looking at a margin of around 10.5%, but for the full year, the 11.5%. Just a very normal trend that you see in our business.

Jonathan Hearn

Great, guys. That's very informative.

Thank you very much.

Stefan Borgas

Next question, please.

Operator

Thank you. We had a question on the line from Harry Phillips, but I believe he's withdrawn the question.

Just moving on to those on the text side. Firstly, we have Jamie Murray: "How do you see the EU regulation that is due to come into force in the H2 2026 impacting RHI in H2 2026 and 2027?"

Stefan Borgas

Okay. All things being equal, this regulation on steel and the enforcement of CBAM, also supporting European production versus imports, should help us moderately in the steel business on the volume side.

It's a slightly positive impact for a European business, and therefore, of course, it's highly margin accretive because every volume improvement in Europe is almost gross margin drops down to profits because it's a fixed cost dilution topic. That should be positive.

Jamie, I don't want to quantify this specifically for '26 or '27. I think it's too early to tell.

There was a lot of optimism three months ago. Now if you listen to customers, this is more careful.

We were maybe the most pessimistic three months ago. Now it looks like our opinions more mainstream.

Let's see how this develops, but it's very difficult to quantify.

Operator

Thank you. We do have Harry Phillips back on the line now.

Please go ahead with your question.

Harry Phillips

Good morning, everyone.

Stefan Borgas

Apologies for

Harry Phillips

a slight logistics nightmare, but thankfully back on track.

Stefan Borgas

We know all about it.

Harry Phillips

Just a little bit more on pricing, only if you could. I get a sense, maybe wrongly, but my sense is that what you're seeing in pricing this year is a sort of annualization of what you got through in the second half of last year.

Is that a correct assumption? Then if it is, is there scope if Europe picks up in any way that we get into a sort of pricing positive environment?

Then in terms of the project side of industrials, just sort of noting the commentary, and I know in Jonno's question you were talking about it, but is that project side sort of deferrals of all projects have already been deferred, or is this a sort of new set of projects that are again being pushed to the right?

Stefan Borgas

Okay. On pricing, there's two things going on here.

There's the annualization, of course, that's fully ongoing. That has the effect that we already discussed several times.

There's also new surcharges, especially triggered by higher energy costs and higher freight costs triggered by what's going on in the Strait of Hormuz. That is fully in implementation, and you will see it in the revenue, but you will not see it dramatically in the profits, of course.

That happens. There's a bit of a countermeasure here, and that's in some of the more commoditized industrial projects, not so much in non-ferrous and not so much in the very sophisticated glass projects, but in more of the commoditized ones, aluminum and the simple glass furnaces.

There's a huge hunger of all global competitors to finally improve the industrial projects' order intake, some pricing is not very conducive to margins. We try to stay out of it, and then if somebody wants to dump and not make any money by overpromising, then we don't participate in this.

That's a bit of a countermove on the pricing side. In general, pricing is very stable with a maybe slow upwards trend.

On industrial projects, we never expected higher industrial project delivery in the first quarter of this year, there hasn't been a lot of postponement. The second quarter always was the one, at least from the perspective of November, December last year, was always going to be the one with a high delivery percentage.

That is still happening. Therefore, we have this inventory built up and this cash consumption in the first quarter that will reverse now in the second quarter because we deliver these projects.

Nothing to worry about. Much less of a postponement than we've experienced last year.

The order intake for the second half of the year was weak six months ago, is a little bit better now. We actually indeed see some glimpse of hope in industrial projects for the second half of the year.

Of course, that is a trend then that will continue into next year.

Harry Phillips

Fantastic. Thank you very much indeed.

Operator

Thank you. Just moving on to the next question via the webcast.

This is from Andrew Douglas with Jefferies: three questions. Firstly, "Please can you explain the increase in industrial order book given the soft market backdrop seems odd?"

Secondly, "Can you explain the delta between 15% growth in adjusted EBITDA and plus 46% growth in constant currency terms? Seems a big FX hit."

Third, "Please can you guide to the expected first half, second half splits of sales and EBITDA?"

Stefan Borgas

The second half, first half split is more like in normal years, it's about 45% first half, 55% second half. We have no reason to believe that this would be very different this year.

You'll remember last year that was super different, we were all nervous in the half year. This is more normalized again.

Industrial project growth is explained by two things. In non-ferrous, it's really growth of the business because the related metals, zinc, lithium, but especially copper, are high, pricing for those is high, demand is high, capacity utilization at those customers are at a high level.

There's a lot of activities there in order to keep the capacity utilization high, and that is a positive effect. It's actual, real demand improvement.

On the glass side, and in aluminum and in a couple of other markets, it is the effect of two years of very subdued, low deliveries. Now some of the furnaces cannot be stretched another year, they need repairs.

That helps a little bit on the order book here. That's not actually our customers' end demand, but it's the repair and maintenance cycle that supports our business.

Those are the two trends in industry growth. Ian, on the forex effect?

Ian Botha

Yeah. Andrew, also just on the first half, second half split, as Stefan highlighted, something much more normal this year.

I think if you look at the first half, probably around €170 million of our €400 million, the second half would be around €230 million. First half would be up from €140 million last year to €170 million this year-ish, and then the second half broadly, broadly similar, and that gets you towards the 45% that Stefan mentioned.

Currency has a material impact. We guided on this really, it's the impact of the weaker US dollar, and it's the weaker Indian rupee.

If you think last year the dollar was averaging around 1.12, now it's averaging around 1.17, 1.18. Every cent movement is over €4 million on our earnings.

Likewise, the Indian rupee last year was averaging around 90, now it's over 107 to 110. Very material impact.

Actually, what we have also seen in the first quarter is the impact of the Mexican peso, the Turkish lira, and the Chinese renminbi moving against us. It's been a little bit weaker than actually even we guided in our trading update earlier this year.

Stefan Borgas

Okay. Next question, please.

Operator

Also a follow-up from Andrew: "Please can you update us with your thoughts on M&A outlook? What is the pipeline looking like?"

Stefan Borgas

Pipeline looks very good. Discussions have started again, but no updates compared to what we said before.

No cash-outs this year.

Operator

Great, thank you. Then we have from Jamie Murray: "Can you provide any growth rates on revenue for steel and industrial in Q1?"

Stefan Borgas

Growth rates on industrial...

Ian Botha

Yes. Jamie, in constant currency terms, steel would be up around 6%, industrial would be down around 6%.

In constant currency, we're looking at the group around 2% plus. Then obviously you've got the significant impact of currency impacting, down around 5% year-on-year on a reported basis, but with strong margin improvement coming through with the benefit of all of the self-help around network optimization, SG&A, operational excellence driving the earnings accretion.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder for any final questions, please press star one on your telephone keypad, or submit your text question via the webcast.

We have no further questions on the call or webcast. I'll hand the call back to the team for any closing comments.

Stefan Borgas

Wonderful. Thank you very much for listening in this morning.

Let me just repeat the three conclusions of the first quarter. We continue to be in a environment of weak demand, negatively impacted by geopolitics.

The outlook is in our expectations, but below what many other people in the market expect. In this environment, RHI Magnesita could deliver a meaningful improvement in earnings, all driven by self-help measures and supported by our significantly improved digitalized supply chain capability.

Third message: we can reconfirm the guidance for the year of about €400 million of EBITDA and a gearing of 2.6 times net debt to EBITDA. Thank you very much for listening in this morning, and we're looking forward to speaking with all of you during the course of the day and the week.

Goodbye from Vienna.

Ian Botha

Goodbye.

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you all very much for joining, and you may now disconnect.