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Q3 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptJuly 9, 2026

Stephan Borchert

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our Q3 FY26 conference call. I'll first run, as usual, through a few highlights from our Q3 performance, followed by some comments on our strategic positioning as a now pure-play Pepco business, before handing over to Willem, who will run you through the specifics surrounding the sale of Dealz and the resulting strengthened financial profile of the group, as well as our Q3 trading in more detail.

Let me first highlight that, unless otherwise stated, all the figures throughout this presentation exclude Dealz, and the like-for-likes shown are excluding FMCG. With that, let's turn now to slide 3, please.

Slide 3. We delivered strong revenue growth in Q3, up 8.5% to €1.1 billion, and like-for-like revenue growth of plus 5.4%.

After a trickier start in April, we returned to accelerated momentum in May and June. This performance was driven by very solid performance in North and South CEE, which both delivered plus 3.6% like-for-like revenue growth, as well as strong growth in Western Europe, where we continue to see an exceptional response to our customer value proposition following the exit of FMCG.

In Q3, Western Europe delivered like-for-like revenue growth of 15%, reinforcing our conviction to accelerate our rollout in the region from FY27 onwards. On a two-year basis, Q3 like-for-like revenue was up by approximately 10.2%.

In addition, we announced the agreed sale of Dealz on 3rd of June. This completes our exit of FMCG and our goal of becoming a simplified and streamlined group focused solely on Pepco.

I will touch on this more in the following slides. Lastly, as previously announced, we plan to launch an up to €400 million tender buyback, which we remain on track to complete before the end of this financial year.

We will have more news on this in due course. Turning now to slide 4.

I wanted to take a moment to re-highlight the strategic milestones we've hit over the past 12 to 18 months in our efforts to simplify the group and turn around our performance. We've been clear on our intention to exit FMCG since the Capital Markets Day in March 2025.

This started with the Iberian Pepco Plus conversions in March to August last year. We completed the sale of Poundland in June last year, which was a pivotal milestone for the growth trajectory of the group.

Last month, we announced the agreed sale of Dealz. As a result, we have now completed our goal of becoming a pure-play Pepco business focused on one highly scalable brand, an efficient format with a compelling customer value proposition, strong business momentum, a strengthened financial profile, and a focus on delivering sustainable and profitable growth, as well as enhanced shareholder returns.

If you go on to slide 5. Let me briefly remind you of the strongholds of a pure-play Pepco company.

Firstly, we operate our Pepco stores on very strong economics. We have a standardized format across our geographies and can open new stores in a very efficient way.

These stores pay back quickly, generating high returns and significant cash, which is more than sufficient to both reinvest in accelerated growth and enable sector-leading returns for our shareholders. You've seen this through our completed share buyback program, the announced €400 million tender buyback, and our commitment to increase our regular dividend payout ratio over time to approximately 40%.

In summary, with our transformation efforts of the past 12 to 18 months, we have now created a self-funding and profitable growth engine. Lastly, on slide 6.

Over to slide 6, please. Before I hand over to Willem, I would just like to recap on our strategy for growth, as outlined in our March 2025 CMD.

Pillar 1 is now complete. Our overall strategy remains unchanged, but we are now able to accelerate from a strengthened platform and drive continued, strong growth for the group.

We are focused on top-line growth through measured expansion in CEE, our accelerated rollout to ensure we win in Western Europe, digitizing and enhancing our customer proposition, as well as upgrading our core operating platform, which underpins the success of all our pillars. Continued execution in line with our strategy ensures we are well-positioned for growth going forward.

With that, Willem, over to you.

Willem Eelman

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining the call. I will talk you through our quarter 3 trading shortly, but let me first spend a few moments on the Dealz exit.

Next page, please. Hopefully, you have all seen our announcement on the 3rd of June, but let me cover the key elements of the transaction now as a quick reminder.

We have agreed the sale of 100% of our Dealz shares to Modella Capital, a specialist European retail investor, for a nominal consideration plus royalty. This was subject to customary antitrust approval, which has now been received by Modella, and completion is expected imminently.

We'll provide a future announcement when appropriate. As part of the transaction, we will provide an 18-month asset-backed vendor facility of up to £20 million.

Importantly, we retained the right to 35% of the proceeds of any future sale, providing potential upside further down the line. The sale of Dealz provides many benefits to Pepco, as Stephan touched on earlier.

It not only completes our exit of lower-margin FMCG products, it increases our focus on our core Pepco business, drives enhanced profitability and returns on capital, and improves our cash generation. Turning now to slide 9, which shows this more clearly.

Here, you can see the comparative financial performance of both Pepco and Dealz, and it's clear to see why we are in a stronger position following the sale. In H1 '26, Pepco generated strong like-for-like growth of plus 4.6% versus the -8% like-for-like at Dealz.

The gross margin of Pepco was almost double that of Dealz. In addition, the absolute EBITDA generated by Dealz was negligible at the group scale, impeding the profit growth of group.

There will be some impact of revenue following the exit, as Dealz generated around 7% of group revenue, but the material improvement to group profitability and overall financial performance is more than apparent. In the quarter 3 release which we disclosed this morning, we included detailed financial statements for H1 on a pre- and post-Dealz inclusion basis, to allow you all to properly understand and model the shape of Pepco going forward.

This data is for H1, as we appreciate that many of you want to understand the impact on half year for FY26 and FY25, to assist you in modeling Pepco going forward. For this purpose, we've also provided updated guidance for FY26 for Pepco going forward, but more on that later.

Let me turn now to our trading performance in quarter 3. To be clear, what we are showing here is the trading performance of Pepco only.

As at the H1 half-year results, we are showing performance in our new geographical split: North, South, and Western Europe. You can see the countries which make up each region in the footnotes at the bottom of the slide.

In quarter 3, we delivered revenue growth of 8.5%, driven both by our new store opening program and strong like-for-like growth, excluding FMCG, of 5.4% in the quarter. This is driven by a 15% like-for-like growth in Western Europe, further validating our plans to accelerate store openings in the region for FY27, and 3.6% growth in both North and South CEE, a solid performance for both regions in a competitive market.

We no longer report it as a standalone segment, but for clarity, Poland continued to deliver positive like-for-like of 2.2% in quarter 3. Our like-for-like performance was supported by improved availability, continued focus on our price leadership position, greater full-price contribution, as well as favorable warmer weather in May and June after trickier conditions through April, in which we also were negatively impacted by the timing of Easter, which benefited March this year, and we commented upon in the half-year results.

Across the first nine months of FY26, we delivered like-for-like revenue growth of 4.9%. The absolute revenue growth was stood at 6.4%.

As we've mentioned previously, our reported growth was materially impacted by the exit of FMCG, and you should expect our revenue growth in quarter 3 and quarter 4 to accelerate versus quarter 1 and quarter 2, as we lap prior-year periods with significantly lower levels of FMCG contribution. For quarter 3, this is already noticeably visible in our reported results.

Turning now to slide 11, where this is highlighted. I want to take a moment to focus on the trajectory of reported versus excluded FMCG like-for-likes.

In the chart on the right, it is clear to see these metrics converging as the prior-year FMCG contribution reduces through the year, but to the higher levels, as we previously had indicated. In quarter 3, there is just 1.2% gap between both metrics.

Going into quarter 4, there will be negligible impact from prior-year FMCG contribution, you should expect these numbers to converge even further. As we already disclosed in our H1 results last May, we continued to see stores that have lapsed the FMCG exit in Iberia performing strongly.

As we move into FY27, we will no longer report two LFL metrics, as they will be one and the same. Onto slide 12.

As I mentioned earlier, the group is in a much stronger gross margin position following the exit of Dealz and the exit from FMCG in Iberia. In the chart on the right, you can see our pro forma margin progression, which for 9M FY26 was up 360 basis points versus H1 FY25.

This is driven in part by the product margin, as we have replaced lower-margin FMCG sales with higher-margin clothing and general merchandise sales, i.e., mix, but furthermore, supported by continued forex tailwinds, as well as efficiencies within our supply chain and sourcing. Let me now finish with our revised guidance on slide 13, before I hand back to Stephan to conclude.

Next slide, please. Here, you can see a breakdown of our previous FY26 guidance in the gray box on the left, and now our new, restated guidance for the group excluding Dealz in the pink box on the right, along with a revised pro forma FY25 base in euros for the key financial metrics, such as revenue, EBITDA, and PAT.

This clearly underscores the strong financial performance of Pepco. Crucially, this is not just a guidance restatement, as we have upgraded the guidance for several of these metrics, such as gross margin, EBITDA, following the strong performance for Pepco year-to-date.

Our revenue growth guidance remains the same at 6% to 8%. As already indicated, we expect to generate accelerated revenue growth in H2, as already visible in our quarter 3 constant currency revenue growth of 8.5%.

This is a clear acceleration compared to H1, where constant currency revenue growth stood slightly below the range at 5.5%. We now expect gross margin for FY26 to be around 51%.

Focus on delivery mid-teens EBITDA growth, up from the previous low-teens guidance. Our PAT growth will be above 50%, but from a higher base of €234 million excluding Dealz.

Our unlevered free cash flow is expected to be €300 million versus previous €250 million. Our net new store guidance remains the same at 250 stores.

We will be updating our mid-term guidance and guidance for FY27 at our FY26 year-end results presentation in December. With that, let me hand back to Stephan.

Stephan Borchert

Thank you, Willem. Let me now quickly summarize on slide 15, before we open up to your questions.

I won't cover these points in detail. I think we've addressed and covered them sufficiently throughout the presentation.

Instead, I want to focus on the strong execution the team have demonstrated, transforming this group from a multi-brand, disjointed proposition to a simplified business with a clear growth trajectory and significantly improved financial position, all of which has been achieved in a very short time period. As we move forward as a pure-play Pepco, I'm hugely excited by our gross prospects.

We have achieved a lot already, but there's more ahead as we continue our disciplined expansion in both new and existing geographies. We remain strongly focused on delivering sustainable, profitable growth, and, of course, on providing enhanced returns to our shareholders.

With that, let me now hand over to your questions. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you very much, Mr. Borchert.

Ladies and gentlemen, once again, if you'd like to ask an audio question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Our first question this morning will be coming from Michael Jacks of Bank of America.

Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Michael Jacks

Hi, good morning, Stephan, Willem. Congrats on the strong quarter, and thank you for the presentation.

My questions relate mainly to sourcing. Firstly, could you please give us a sense for where shipping contracts settled in percentage terms year-over-year?

That's my first question. Second question, could you please elaborate some more on the sourcing tailwinds, specifically on the relative contributions from favorable trading terms in China versus structural improvements that you've made to your sourcing operation?

My final question, are there any seasonal factors in Q4 that typically weigh on gross margin relative to Q3? Thank you.

Stephan Borchert

Yeah. Sorry, thank you very much for your great questions.

Look, we have not disclosed the shipping percentage in that, but what I think I can very comfortably say here today is the following. Yes, I think we're not the only one stating that the situation in China is quite difficult, but interesting at the same time.

Suppliers do have lots of spare capacity. I think we continue to see, on the one hand, opportunities in sourcing, and our gross profit margin expansion to an extent also is based on sourcing efficiencies that continue to increase.

However, going forward, it will be seen which strategic role China has and can play in that respect. We are continuously looking at, in a way, balanced sourcing portfolio for us, particularly for the general merchandise categories.

Overall, we are very comfortable, actually, with the sourcing situation in terms of intake margin from the China market situation. Shipping, as we do have quite long-term contracts.

Again, cannot disclose the number, but we are very, very pleased with our closed contract for next year. We are contracted for next year.

Again, without disclosing the details here, but we feel we have achieved a very favorable solution here.

Willem Eelman

Maybe on the margins— For me, you also asked on the gross margin delivery quarter 4 over quarter 3. We have guided on a gross margin around 51%, and I want to be very clear and upfront about that.

That's as you are used from us, slightly prudent. Around can also mean above.

I just want to clarify that upfront, because I think it's a key metric. We are very happy with our gross margin momentum at this point in time.

We've been assisted by stock freshness in our stores, which are at historically very high levels, as we indicated already in the H1 results presentation. That trend continued.

We've seen excellent sell-through in June and May, which helped us continue this very favorable trend on stock freshness. Intake margins are well-managed and under control, reflecting the trends that Stephan has already highlighted just before.

We are quite confident on our gross margin delivery trajectory. In particular, also, as we are cementing a number of the key inputs, as Stephan just hinted.

On shipping, we are cementing our favorable rates in a new contract, which was a significant step down from historically higher rates, so that momentum is sustained. We're having good results on our forex hedging, again, well into 2027.

We see ex-works pricing in China and other key supply markets also holding and being favorable to us. We are confident on gross margin at this point in time for the remainder of the year, as we highlighted in our guidance.

That's gross margin. The seasonal factors, I wouldn't overplay them, but I also would not encourage you to just simply extrapolate.

We guide on around 51%. It's prudent.

There may be some upside, but the key metric for you to focus on is the mid-teens EBITDA growth, where we are clearly committing to that number.

Stephan Borchert

Did I answer your question?

Michael Jacks

Very helpful. Thank you.

Stephan Borchert

Yes,

Michael Jacks

very clearly. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much, sir. We now go to Matt Clements of Barclays.

Please go ahead.

Matt Clements

Good morning both. Thanks for taking my questions.

Two, if I can. The first is on Western Europe.

The brand and the offer seems to be resonating very well, particularly in Spain and Italy, obviously. Can you give a bit of color about who you're taking share from and how your stores are performing when there's overlap with some of the larger, integrated banners like Primark, Lefties, Action?

That's question number one. The second question would be on digital.

It's been two months since we last heard from you. You obviously had very encouraging early performance in Poland with the app.

How has scale and engagement evolved in Poland, and when will we see the rollout into other markets begin? Thank you.

Stephan Borchert

Thank you, Matt. Great questions.

Let me go to Western Europe first. You asked on overlap.

Look, first of all, I think one thing is very clear. Our value proposition really resonates extremely well, I think above our expectations, really, with the Western European consumers.

This is really across the board in both categories. As we operate in two main categories.

It's really in apparel and in general merchandise where we see those strong performances and the strong acceptance of consumers. The overlap is not of concern, really, for us.

As we operate in many areas. We have three segments in those markets.

We at the moment do not have any issue, really, on that. We do measure cannibalization in CEE markets particularly, but that is not of a big concern for us, also because we are, as able to operate in much smaller catchment areas.

That is where the focus for us lies, really. You won't find larger boxes, particularly the integrated players, in those areas.

Very, very pleased with Western Europe going forward. Digital, yeah, we haven't disclosed numbers this time.

We will talk about this in more detail in December, but I can reassure you, we continue to scale up, and we particularly continue to see stronger engagement levels. The share of sales that goes through the app, and either the swipe or the coupons, is continuously and strongly increasing and is above benchmark at the moment.

We are very pleased with that, but we will discuss that a bit more in detail in December. We're planning a rollout.

We haven't guided which country yet, but we definitely will accelerate our rollout of the system into countries where competitive pressure is high, you can imagine it's the adjacent markets, could be Czech Republic, could be others, but we wanted to give ourselves the time for the proof of concept in Poland, setting up further commercial infrastructure around that, refine some of the technologies. Remember, we've just launched it, really.

Once that's all done, we will accelerate rollout, because it's a super scalable, very modern digital infrastructure, which enables us to do that fast if we want.

Matt Clements

Very clear. Thank you.

Stephan Borchert

You're welcome.

Operator

Thank you very much, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you have any audio questions or follow-up questions, please press star one on telephone keypad.

We'll now go to Michal Potyra of UBS. Please go ahead, sir.

Michal Potyra

Hi, good morning. Congrats on the strong numbers.

I have two follow-up questions, please. The first one, continuing on Western Europe, if you could maybe provide some color on the EBITDA-level profitability in Western Europe and the gap to CEE, and do you believe you can close that gap?

That's the first question. The second, a very general question, but maybe you could comment a little bit on the consumer health and demand trends across your key markets?

Thank you.

Willem Eelman

Michal, let me start with the first question in Western Europe. Clearly, Western Europe has a lot of potential, as we still have infrastructure which is not commensurate with the forward-looking revenue potential that we see in the market.

I clearly allude to the distribution network that we already for Iberia explained. We opened Guadalajara about now a year and a half ago.

That has helped us bring distribution costs down, but it's operating still below full scale. Therefore, there's more margin potential, EBITDA margin potential, in Spain as we start to see fixed cost distribution and benefits from scale.

The same in Italy, where we continue to ship product from CEE into Italy. You can imagine that is not the most efficient way to serve a big market where we have significant expansion plans.

We disclosed in the half year that we are very confident on our EBITDA progression in Western Europe. We provided, I think, some information in the slides.

There is still a gap, but it's closing. With all the actions and scale advantages that we foresee in Western Europe building up over the coming years as we accelerate, we expect Western Europe to be at group levels from a financial contribution point of view.

I'll take up the second one, Michal, on consumer.

Stephan Borchert

Maybe just to add to what Willem said, we've discussed in the last call geographic expansion, and clearly said we want to focus on the existing markets because the operating leverage potential is so much higher with a now-liberated, highly simplified structure at scale. That is why we are confident on the EBITDA development in Western Europe.

On the consumer, yeah, it's a mixed bag, right? On the macros, we see obviously positive developments, inflation coming down or stabilizing.

We believe here at Pepco that disposable income that is available for retail is still much there, but the sentiment numbers are negative, they are difficult, and it varies. CEE is a bit better than certain parts of Western Europe, particularly Germany and France.

Overall, it really only says that two things. One is there is still a wallet to gain for retailers from consumers.

Consumers become and have become, after so many years of distress, if you want, they have become more selective, extremely selective. They're looking for real value, they're looking for honesty and truth in the product offering, whether that is quality, whether that is pricing strategy.

We feel perfectly positioned in this, we see more customers coming to us. We see volumes growing, but we also see AOP growing in certain categories.

It shows us that we are able to attract a maybe lower-middle-class segment that is trading down to us as well. Therefore, I think going forward, we are, as Pepco at least, quite confident with the consumer sentiment here in Europe for us.

I hope that did answer your question.

Michal Potyra

Thank you for that. Maybe if I may have one follow-up question on competition.

We have seen those €3 surcharges implemented for cross-border online trade in Europe, mostly coming from Chinese competitors. We have seen actually players like Temu adding that additional fee at the checkout.

Are you expecting any kind of incremental increase in the demand in your stores on the back of this, or it wasn't that disruptive to you so far? Thank you.

Stephan Borchert

I think no. Look, I think we had this question on the other side before several times: do we see massive negative impact?

We haven't really seen it before. We know there is overlap in our customer shopping behavior, particularly with Temu, less so with Shein, but with Temu.

It hasn't really had a negative impact on visiting frequency and basket of those customers who also buy there. Now, in reverse, that doesn't affect us either so much.

I think we do really follow whether it is Action or Temu or others, we are following a very different shopping journey and a very different value proposition, and with a very curated, to a large extent non-discretionary assortment, and product offer at really really really price-leading levels. I think therefore, we are not so impacted.

Of course, we are looking at it very, very closely. Those are very large players.

One is, of course, passing this on to customers. I don't think that serves them well to do so, but we of course know that also in the background, there is a lot of dynamics around setting up local seller models, local distribution models, and so on.

We are continuously watching it and seeing what is happening there. Frankly, we neither had a strong negative impact, nor do we probably have now a positive impact from that.

Michal Potyra

That is clear. Thank you.

Stephan Borchert

Super. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much, Michal. As we have no further audio questions at this time, Tillie, I'd like to hand the call over to you for any questions submitted through webcast.

Thank you.

Thanks. We've got some questions from the webcast.

First question from Harry at Vergent AM: How much is the impact on FX on margins? Do you see any pressure to margins in FY27 from FX?

What is the longer-term ceiling on GPM?

Stephan Borchert

Shall I take that one?

Willem Eelman

I have to disappoint you, Harry, here. We're not going to give any guidance on fiscal '27 and mid-term and long-term guidance, which we will provide to the markets in December.

I have to be firm on that. Look, forex has been a tailwind, as we explained through the year.

End of last year and half year, we were very clear about forex. It's one of many factors.

We commented on that. We have supply chain efficiencies, we have fixed cost distribution benefits, we have ex-factory prices that were very favorable in local currencies as well.

There's a whole spring of measures that we've taken which have helped us sustain this very strong gross margin performance. We're now focusing on closing the year, and we will be providing you with more details on fiscal '27 and beyond in December.

I know it doesn't answer your question, but this is what I can share with you.

Thank you. Next question is from Jacob at AZT: What does the current procurement process at Dealz look like, and does Pepco support the company in this regard?

Willem Eelman

I will take that one as well. We already had prepared Dealz to be virtually fully standalone in the run-up to the decision to separate ourselves from Dealz.

Dealz has minimal ongoing relationships with Pepco going forward. There are a few small items that have been taken care of in a TSA with a limited duration.

For all practical purposes, Modella has been given a fully functioning, self-standing company, and they can hit the ground running.

Thank you. Another one from Jacob is: Are further write-downs planned in connection with the sale of Dealz?

If so, in what amounts?

Willem Eelman

Let me think here. Dealz was an asset held for sale in our half-year accounts.

We will now deconsolidate Dealz post the completion of transaction, which is imminent. As a result, there will be a modest negative impact in the accounts of €22 million, which will be reflected in our full-year accounts as an impact on discontinued operation, and clearly also will impact our net equity position at year-end.

It's a minor amount in the relationship of our total balance sheet and the performance of Pepco, which by far outweighs this negative €20 €20 million charge. I want to stress as well that the only ongoing support we will provide to Dealz, as I explained in my speech, is a £20 million working capital facility, which will be asset-backed and therefore will be held at full value in our accounts.

Thank you. First one from Jakub at NN PTE: What is the total exposure to Dealz and Poundland, including inventories, loans, etc.?

I'll

Willem Eelman

just answer the first one on Dealz. The ongoing exposure is limited to the £20 million working capital facility, of which zero has been drawn, and it will be asset-backed.

In that sense, we have an asset-backed facility there. With Poundland, we, as again disclosed in the past, we have a working capital facility up to £30 million, which runs until August 2027.

If and when there is news to report there, we will do that. At this point in time, we have been occasionally and from time to time been providing support under the working capital facility, which Poundland has been paying back regularly as well.

No major exposure there at this point in time.

Thank you. Next one is from Volodymyr at Kepler Cheuvreux: In your 5.4% like-for-like sales growth in Q3, what was the split between price, mix, and volume effect?

Stephan Borchert

I understand the interest in this breakdown, but we've never provided that and we also will not do that at this point in time. It's a healthy balance.

It varies from quarter to quarter, reflecting competitive intensity, pricing, and other mechanism that we use as a retailer to drive optimal sales for our network. It's a mix, as someone kindly commented, it's a mix between price, mix, and volume.

The one thing I can say is that with regards to mix, we've had some positive mix upgrades in our portfolio as our efforts to upgrade our assortment have resonated with buyers. Still, it's a very healthy mix between volume, mix, and price.

Willem Eelman

Probably important to state here, this is Stephan, I think we have a very, very clear commitment to our everyday low price strategy. The one thing we can say is there is no ticket price increases really influencing our like-for-likes overall.

As Willem alluded on, we see an interesting not material, but slight development in AOPs up, so that shows us clearly there is a trading down from middle class into our organization with some higher-priced products. Therefore, a very healthy mix, to reconfirm, of volume and of AOV.

Very good question, Volodymyr. I hope that we did answer it to you.

Where we have price, it's mostly mix. We do not increase ticket prices, and that is very visible if you visit our stores in countries over a long period of time.

We are really committed to our value proposition to our customers.

Thank you. I think we might have another question from the conference call, I'll hand back over to George.

Operator

Thank you very much, Tillie. Yes, we do have a follow-up question.

It is coming from Michal Potyra of UBS. Please go ahead, Michal.

Michal Potyra

Hi. Thanks for taking my question.

It's really on the buyback, because once the buyback is completed, the company's equity position will become negative. I'm just wondering if you comment, are there any practical constraints this could create with respect to financing, debt covenants, or perhaps future capital returns to shareholders?

Thank you.

Willem Eelman

Michal, thank you very much for this question. I know it's is bouncing in the background, and thanks for making it transparent.

Look, negative consolidated equity is all the result of the historical journey with Poundland. It doesn't say anything about the inherent and underlying strength of our Pepco proposition, which is extremely strong, but it's just an accounting reflection of historical goodwill that we had to write off as we exited both Poundland and and Dealz.

Our our banking covenants do not have reference to equity. They all build on normal debt metrics, which where we are very, very solidly on the safe side of of any of the metrics that one can look at.

We're not receiving any indication of concern by any of our banks on this on this accounting metric. With regards to constraints on further distributions of share to shareholders, this is not a constraint, as we have ample funding and equity at the top level of the company, which is the technical constraint in under Dutch governance.

Therefore, there is no issue. We're projecting equity to to rise significantly on the back of both our quarter 4 performance and the the guidance for next year, which will be providing in in December.

This is a, for now, a temporary situation. All our debt metrics are extremely strong, and also the rating agencies, with whom we have been in contact, understand the true and underlying economics of our business model.

I hope, Michal, that's that answered your question?

Michal Potyra

It does. Thank you.

Super. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much, Michal. As we have no further questions, Mr.

Borchert, I'd like to turn the call back over to you for any additional closing remarks. Thank you.

Stephan Borchert

Make it short. Thank you very much for calling in.

Thank you very much for interest and your continued support. It's been a pleasure talking to you today on another very, very good and, for us, pleasant Q3 results.

Looking forward to discuss with you full-year results and guidance matters in December. For now, wish you a good day.

Thank you very much.