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Q1 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptApril 29, 2026

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the ANDRITZ Q1 2026 results conference and live webcast. I'm Jürgen, the chorus call operator.

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Please go ahead, sir.

Matthias Pfeifenberger

Good morning, and a warm welcome from ANDRITZ for our Q1 earnings call and webcast. Thanks for your continued interest in ANDRITZ and your participation today.

It's a great pleasure for me to present your presenters for today's call. I have with me our CEO, Dr.

Joachim Schönbeck, and our CFO, Vanessa Hellwing. I'd like to pass over to Dr.

Schönbeck now for an overview of our Q1 results. Please go ahead.

Joachim Schönbeck

Thank you very much, Matthias. Good morning to everybody.

Thank you for joining us on our call for the Q1 results 2026. I would happy to provide good news for Q1 in in '26.

Despite some, I would say, geopolitical tensions and surprises, we can report a very a very good quarter. We had a record-high order intake that was mainly driven by Hydro Power and Pulp & Paper.

I would say Hydro Power was had an extraordinary quarter with accumulated bookings of of several mid-sized mid-sized orders, but also a very strong quarter for Pulp & Paper. We could see a stable development in Metals.

We we could we could see a a further decline a bit in the market in the Automotive, but we could see a I would say, a trend, reverse trend in Steel, where we could see good good growth in in order intake and also increasing project pipeline. Environment & Energy, we could see we could see a small decline, but on the other side, we also see that the structural demand drivers remain intact, but I would say, economic uncertainties also delayed some of the decision-makings.

However, the high order intake can should not be extrapolated for the coming quarters, even though we are not we are not too pessimistic on the on the markets we are in. We we could grow in revenue despite, another time, quite a negative foreign exchange impact, and that growth is also sustained by Hydro Power and Pulp & Paper.

We could see a slight growth in in EBITDA and a stable stable profitability. The growth is driven again together with the revenue by Hydro Power, Pulp & Paper.

We could see a stable EBITDA margins for Metals, Environment & Energy despite declining revenue, we are, I'd say, that's a good that is a a good sign. Key key figures in summary: order intake at €3.6 billion, revenue at €1.8 billion, book-to-bill at at 2, that's easy to to calculate; record-high order backlog, €12.4 billion, up 22% compared to previous year; EBITDA, as I said, stable margin, 8.2% and €147 million on a comparable basis; and a net income of 5.1%, €92 million.

If we look to the to the quarter to the quarterly development of order intake, you could see record high, 3.6, and on the quarterly 12-month rolling average, now we are moved above the €2.5 billion per quarter. It's the sixth consecutive quarter with an order intake above €2 billion, and, I would say, gives us in uncertain times a solid a solid base for for the time for the time to come.

Going in the details, we could see strong strong quarter for Pulp & Paper, plus 3%, above €1 billion for the first quarter. In Metals, as I said, we saw a small decline, resulting of a further downturn in Automotive and an increased order intake from the steel industry.

Hydro Power, sensational first quarter with €1.9 billion in order intake. As I said, it was a bit this accumulated bookings.

We had we had, as you might remember, quite a weak quarter four in Hydro Power, I think around €650 million at that time in the in the Q4 last year. We had we had some some orders which could not be fully booked as they have not been in force, and so some of the projects went into first went into force in March quite early, a bit earlier than we expected.

It was, I would say, a bit accumulated in March, these these bookings, which resulted in this very high order intake. We are happy what what we have in the backlog we can execute, and I think that's that's very good.

Environment & Energy, a drop a drop to Q1. However, we do not see we do not see that there is a fundamental decline, but we rather having an optimistic view on the quarters to come in these markets.

On the If we have a quick look on the regions, you can see that we have a significant increase in Asia and in South America, and that is that is mainly driven by the steep increase in Hydro Power. Come to that in in more detail later.

If we look to the revenue, as I said, revenue grows by 2% nominal. If we if we add this foreign exchange translation impact, we are at 6% up compared to first quarter of last year.

I would say it's on a good track. The the growth is is driven by Pulp & Paper and Hydro Power, while Metals and Environment & Energy, we see we see a slight a slight decline.

The backlog, as I said, record backlog, €12.4 billion, never been that high in ANDRITZ history. I would say two significant effects that should be recognized: the one is Hydro Power now basically represents 50% of the backlog, and that also turns, I would say, extends the backlog a bit longer.

The conversion conversion rate is decreasing as the hydro projects have a a longer average execution time than, for example, Pulp & Paper and Metals. If we look to the EBITDA, EBITDA on a comparable basis and on a reported basis have increased by two respectively €3 million.

We would say have the order execution has been improved. Restructuring measures that we that we had initiated last year, especially in Metals and Pulp & Paper, now bearing bearing fruits, and I would say we are we are on a solid solid track on the profitability, 8.2% respectively or 8.1% stable compared with the previous year.

Service business is is nicely is nicely growing. Share of service revenue now is 45% for the last 12 months, 46% for the first quarter of '26.

That's an that's an all-time high. Also the service revenue could see a growth of 4% year-on-year in in Q1.

I would say we are we are on a good we are on a good track there, further stabilizing our our revenues and increasing also our profitability. Somebody took away my control, and that's probably intended because now I hand over to Vanessa to give us the details on the financial performance.

Vanessa?

Vanessa Hellwing

Thank you, Joachim. Good morning, everybody, and also a warm welcome from my side.

Joachim already shared many details, and the record order intake has been already prereleased in the news. With respect to your time, I will keep it short and focus on the key messages for today to briefly resume what Joachim already remarked: order backlog at a new all-time high, driven by a remarkable order intake that led us to a book-to-bill of above 2.

As the momentum is driven by our strong hydro business with typically longer execution cycles, the backlog-to-sales conversion will change, and therefore this is not triggering an immediate impact on our sales guidance for this year. Nevertheless, revenue continues on an upward trajectory despite the negative FX effects, and our profitability remains stable.

Looking at the key figures from a CFO perspective, Q1 confirms that the growth we achieved comes with very strong financial quality. Operating cash flow increased to €89 million, 22% above last year.

At the same time, we kept a strong liquidity position of €724 million despite the elevated CapEx and despite our remarkable M&A activities from last year, '25. The ROIC recovered to 19.5%, well above WACC, while operating net working capital improved sequentially again to €961 million, showing that cash discipline is now really visible on our balance sheet.

The earnings bridge shows that the higher revenue base translated into a modest EBITDA increase to €190 million and a 10.6% EBITDA margin, as you can see. The depreciation and IFRS 3 amortization moved up only moderately, mainly reflecting CapEx and acquisition effects.

With a tax rate which is improving to 24.6%, net income also increased to €92 million, and the net profit margin remained stable at 5.1%, confirming actually a resilient profitability despite a slightly lower financial result. Turning to free cash flow, we are starting from the EBITDA of €190 million, and the main operational improvement in free cash flow generation came from a much lower net working capital outflow than last year.

Also improved cash taxes are compensating for other project provision-related and hedging effects, and enabling operating cash flow to rise to €89 million. After €15 million higher CapEx than last year spent for gross service, digitalization, and innovation, our free cash flow reached €25 million, moderately above the prior-year period.

Last year, we have acquired LDX in Q1, you might remember, and this year we have taken it a bit more easy for the first quarter, no acquisitions, but the payment for our latest acquisition, Sanchen, that was closed in Q4 '25 was processed in Q1, the payout is also included here. Looking at the operating net working capital, that remains lean at around 12% of revenue and has improved sequentially again, following the seasonal Q4 '25 cash release.

The general increase compared to the exceptionally low levels seen a few years ago reflects a more normal business mix, the larger service share, and also the consolidation from acquisition. The key message is that net working capital is back in the recent run-rate corridor and remains, of course, a management focus for 2026.

The detailed split shows two different moving parts. We have the contract working capital on the bottom part continues to improve, supported by higher contract liabilities and prepayments from the good order intake in Q1.

On the upper part, the trade working capital increased seasonally in Q1 and is also influenced by our service growth and also the recent acquisitions. Structurally, the shift from large overtime projects towards more mid-sized and completed contract orders is increasing also the work in progress.

Disciplined inventory and project execution will, of course, remain central for us. The quarterly operating cash flow remains also volatile.

This is very typical for project business. As mentioned, in Q1 operating cash flow of €89 million was supported by better operating profit and lower net working capital outflows, allowing for higher CapEx.

The long-term message is that higher top line, improved margins, and also a better cash conversion are sustaining a structural stronger cash generation profile here. Looking at our net liquidity, this remains a strategic strength, I would say, even after the deliberate reduction of our liquid funds over recent years, driven by higher CapEx and M&A spendings that was of course especially remarkable in 2025.

Compared with the year-end '25, net liquidity improved slightly to around €724 million, supported by stronger operating cash flow, as shown, and a lower M&A cash-out for Q1. Considering also the €500 million revolving credit facility, which is unutilized for Q1, ANDRITZ retains substantial financial flexibility for dividends, organic investments, and disciplined bolt-on M&A.

Turning to the ROIC, as indicated in our last earnings call, ROIC recovered to 19.5% in Q1 '26 from the acquisition-related dilution seen that in '25. The recovery was driven by improved NOPAT, so that last year we had only the pro rata acquisitions included, now we have of course the full impact also from the acquisition and the NOPAT, and was also from lower invested capital, showing that the recent capital deployment is really being absorbed without weakening the value creation profile.

With ROIC still materially above WACC, ANDRITZ continues to generate returns well above its cost of capital. To close on the summary, our first key theme remains resilient growth, yeah, record order intake, record backlog, a book-to-bill above 2, supporting the revenue trajectory, even through a higher Hydro Power share that will lengthen the backlog conversion.

The second key theme is financial discipline and flexibility: margin remains stable, operating net working capital improved sequentially, and cash flow and net liquidity remains solid, thereby giving ANDRITZ certainly the room to fund for growth and business development whilst staying financially strong here. The third key theme is value creation, coming from the ROIC that has recovered and that remains industry-leading level, implying substantial value creation significantly above our WACC.

Yes, and for the overview of our segments and some details, Joachim will now guide you through again.

Joachim Schönbeck

Thank you, Vanessa. Let's have a quick look on the on the segments.

Let's start with Pulp & Paper. I think we are we are happy to to report that we are that the growth trend that was basically initiated in Q4 last year continued.

We are, I would say, we are back on a solid growth trend in order in intake, backlog, revenue, and earnings. That is that is that is quite good.

We we could book two large orders with exceptional size in in Q in Q1. One was a bio biomass power plant in Europe and a a large paper machine in in Africa for general emballage, will be the largest paper machine in Africa.

We are quite we are quite proud that customer has picked ANDRITZ to supply that that very important machine. We could see in Q1 a very very nice grow in the in the service business.

Now for the first time, we have surpassed the 60%. It's now 62% of our revenue came from service in Q in Q1 this year.

I would say if we if we look if we look in total, we are can say a solid, strong performance in Pulp & Paper, even without these mega projects from South America. If we turn to Metals, as I said, it's a bit it's a bit of a of a split view.

From the market side, we we saw a downturn in Automotive, and we saw an upturn in the market in in Steel. We we look to investment sentiment in the steel industry.

I would say this would this would continue to improve over the over the year. For for Automotive, we we could see towards the end of the year a recovery a recovery also also there.

We are we we need to continue to size our capacities accordingly because the changes in these markets are, I would say, quite quite fundamental, and we need to we need to adjust ourselves to be to stay competitive there. On the other side, you can see that we that we do that.

We are on the on the EBITDA margin, we we are stable, 5.3% comparable EBITDA margin despite the ongoing the ongoing adjustments. I would say we're in a good track.

We are solid in order execution. Looking to Hydro Power, I would say we have only good things to to report to the to the order intake, €1.1 €1.9 billion already said so.

We we can expect that we will have this year also, I would say, have the sixth consecutive year in a row where we will grow order intake and revenue compared with the previous year. As I as I told you already in in previous calls, this is a this is a long this is a trend of of growing demand in electrical energy and in renewable electrical energy, and we do not see that there is a there is a will be a a prompt end in this demand.

Project outlook is is strong, but less strong than in Q1 if we look to order intake. On the on the regional distribution, I would say that's we are quite we are quite happy to report that the that this huge order intake is is nicely spread around the regions.

A lot of a lot of orders from Asia, that's mainly India, New Zealand, and the Philippines, but also very strong in South America. For us for us, it's good that we that basically we can we can provide the execution through separated supply chains, as we are quite self-sufficient in in engineering, manufacturing in Asia and and also in South America.

We do not we do not need to pass by the Middle East with a with a lot of with a lot of goods, which definitely makes us a bit robust to the political surprises coming from that coming from that region. The backlog with the with the €6 billion will will take will take some years to to bring that down.

We see from that we will continue to grow our revenue this year and in the years in the years to come. You can see from the from the employees that we are that we need to continue to to build up capacities there in order to provide the projects on time to our to our customers.

Service revenue slightly declined, but I would say it it it grew, but capital business grew a bit a bit further. Profitability further further increased, and we are that gives us the confidence that we move the profitability in Hydro Power to the to the target level that we communicated.

Environment & Energy, I would say, is a is a is a is a mixed picture. We have a low we have a we have a low order intake, but on we see on the market side, we see a we we see quite a quite a stable development, we expect to recover to recover that over the year.

On the profitability side, we we remain we remain stable on the comparable EBITDA margin despite the decrease, the slight decrease in revenue. We we have a a good share of service of 50%, and we are we are quite we are quite confident to keep to keep in that business area on track if we if the uncertainties in the investment climate for topics on the energy transition will be removed, then we definitely see a bit better future here.

If we look to the to the guidance, impact of trade barriers, no basically no news to to tell you. I would say very limited impacts from the war in the Middle East from our side.

As I said, we are quite independent in our supply chains in the Asian market, specially in Hydro Power, which is which is now growing. However, indirect impacts from increased energy prices and constraints in through through inflationary trends, of course, we cannot we cannot run away from that.

Foreign exchange translation impact has been quite heavy, also in this quarter, €71.6 million, but we expect that this trend will will be significantly smaller in the quarters to come as the main strengthening move of the euro compared with the with the major currencies like US dollar, RMB, and Brazilian real will will not be will not be as as significant in the quarters to come as it was in the previous four quarters. Guidance for '26 is confirmed, as we as we reported, revenue between 8 and €8.3 billion and comparable EBITDA margin between 8.7% and 9.1%.

We also can confirm our midterm targets for 2027 with a revenue between 9 and €10 billion and a comparable EBITDA margin above 9%. That is basically what what we wanted to tell you, no changes on the comparable margin targets for the business areas.

That's that's what we wanted to tell you. Now we are available for any questions you might have.

Thank you very much for your patience.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Anyone who may ask a question from the webinar may click the Q&A button on the bottom left side of your screen and then click the raise your hand button.

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We have the first question coming from Akash Gupta from JPMorgan. Please go ahead, sir.

Akash Gupta

Yes, hi. Good morning, Dr.

Schönbeck, Vanessa, and Matthias. I got a few, and I'll ask one at a time.

My first one is on Hydro Power. Your orders are quite strong, and most of them seems to be new projects.

Maybe if you can start with how does the margin in Q1 orders compare with what you have in your backlog at the end of 2025? Second part of that question is that when we look at hydro orders at your competitors, we don't see a same level of strength, it indicates that you may be gaining market share.

Can you confirm that? If that is the case, what is driving this market share gain?

That's the first one to start.

Joachim Schönbeck

Am I on? Can you hear me?

Akash Gupta

Yes, I can hear.

Joachim Schönbeck

Very good. Akash, thank you for your question.

I would say the margins, I would say, are good. The market is good, and so therefore we could also, I would say, book at good margins despite the huge volumes.

On the market share, I believe that we have gained market share. I can confirm that.

We see very strong growth in India, and I believe we have a, I would say, more than average market share there because we are the only supplier who is fully localized with our own workshops for turbines and our own workshop for generators. That makes us very competitive, and so I would say we benefit overproportionally from the growth there.

Akash Gupta

Thank you. The second question I have is on large pulp orders.

How do you see prospects for large pulp order awards? You're not promising a lot before the war in the Middle East broke out, but in general, is there a risk that customer may need more time to decide given the uncertainty, or do you think that maybe irrelevant given the lead times in large pulp projects are more than 3 years, and therefore this near-term uncertainty could be a noise?

Joachim Schönbeck

I would say on a rational thinking, you could think that the short-term impact might not influence. When you make investment decisions of that size, usually I think people do not like to do that in uncertain times.

I would say we rather see a further delay to see the outcome and also to have a better assessment on the time, how long this conflict may last, yeah. As I said, we do not take any position about the timing of investment decisions for large pulp mills in South America.

What we see is that the trend in China in the paper industry to backward integrate their papermaking activities into pulp making, this continues. These projects are smaller in size for us, but they continue.

Akash Gupta

Thank you. My last one is for Vanessa on M&A.

If we look at last year, we had quite good activity on M&A in first half, and then we had a bit of slowdown in second half. I think we have seen the same slowdown in first quarter of 2026 as well.

Maybe if you can talk about what is driving this slower activity. Are you looking first to integrate the companies that you have acquired in early part of 2025, and how shall we think about prospect for bolt-on M&A or maybe even larger M&A in the rest of the year?

Thank you.

Vanessa Hellwing

Hi, Akash, thank you for your question. I would say let's see.

We definitely continue on our bolt-on M&A strategy, and we are still on this. It's about the targets.

Of course, we firstly integrate and focus on this, but this does not mean that we stop our activities to screen the market and, yeah, and take further action. It depends on the targets that are available and that we see as a good fit to our company.

There's no deliberate slowdown, yeah. It's just rather on selecting well.

Akash Gupta

Thank you. The

Operator

next question comes from Sven Weier from UBS. Please go ahead, sir.

Sven Weier

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.

The first one is also on hydro because, especially on Brazil, we obviously saw the major power auction in the Brazilian markets earlier this year. I was wondering if the orders that you received in Brazil were related to that, or are you still expecting more to come?

That's the first one. Thank you.

Joachim Schönbeck

This was related to that auction. At least it was related to a auction, whether it was related to the auction that you're referring to, but our customer won a majority in one of these auctions, and so that drove the order intake on our side.

Sven Weier

That's basically fully reflected in Q1 already.

Joachim Schönbeck

Right.

Sven Weier

The other question I had was just on pulp and paper and the paper order you got, which, that's a board order, right? Which I think at the last CMD, you kind of announced that you wanted to become a stronger player in the board market.

Is this now the biggest order you ever had, and really the first major one, and how should we look at this from here? Also maybe in terms of project risk, if this is kind of the first-of-a-kind big one that you do, what is the kind of typical project risk that you would see on the project?

Joachim Schönbeck

Thank you for that. I would say for us, it's the first order of that size that we execute in that region basically out of Europe.

On the risk side, we are not too concerned as there are no elements that we have not built a couple of times. This was mainly done in rebuilds where our strength was over the past years, converting printing paper machines to board machines.

I would say on that side, we do not see a risk. I would say it is definitely paying into our strategy to become a stronger player in the paper and board market, as also we can demonstrate that we can make a new build machine, which, at the end, is less complex and less complicated than to make a rebuild of a printing paper machine into a board machine.

Sven Weier

In general, the pipeline for board projects is still a bit tough given the situation in the market, or?

Joachim Schönbeck

Oh yes. You probably know that the paper and board industry is, I would say, still in a difficult situation with low prices and high capacities.

We see, especially in Europe, we see closures, but also in China, we have a rather low utilization rate in this industry. Therefore, we are very happy that we have been selected for, I would say, the only new investment in this part of the world for the past years, yeah.

Sven Weier

Is it fair to say that, probably very competitive against Valmet and Voith in that situation,

Joachim Schönbeck

or

Sven Weier

you're happy with the margins of the contract?

Joachim Schönbeck

We are happy with the margin of the contract, and we are happy to see that we are competitive also for these new machines, yeah.

Sven Weier

Thank you. Then my final question maybe is for Vanessa on the advances, because you obviously had this huge order intake, contract liabilities went up to €100 million-ish, but I suspect this was not the total amount of advances that you are going to receive on the back of the €3.6 billion order intake.

Is that fair?

Vanessa Hellwing

Yes, of course. It's kind of mix, and we will see some more in Q2.

It depends really on the order and on the contract. Some orders get in force with the advance payment, and some we receive the cash somewhat later, and some even don't have it, yeah.

It's a mixture, it's not all in Q1 directly related to the order intake.

Sven Weier

Understood. Thank you both.

Vanessa Hellwing

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Christoph Biefeld from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Good

Christoph Biefeld

morning, and thank you for taking my question. I would like to start with pulp and paper.

Can you give us some insight into the operating trends in the service market, and contrast revenue and order trends in pulp service versus board and paper service market, if there are any? Thank you.

Yeah.

Joachim Schönbeck

I would say, in general, the paper service market is still down, utilization rate is low in China, in Asia, in Europe, also North America. That is where we see also, I would say, a pressure on the volume there.

On the pulp side, we see growth. We see growth because we are expanding our service offerings, some of the acquisitions last year, but also organically.

On the pulp side, we definitely benefit from the increased market share we had on the capital side, specially in South America, but also in China, where the, I would say, the fundamental demand for service parts, but also smaller modifications and repairs is increasing. These are basically the two driving trends.

Once the market in paper turns up, we will, of course, also significantly benefit there.

Christoph Biefeld

Thank you for that. The second question is on hydro.

Can you remind us on the contract structure and your ability to pass through rising input costs to customers, please?

Joachim Schönbeck

Yeah. Due to the long execution time of these hydro contracts, we basically have in all, or let's say, in 90% of these contracts, we do not have fixed-price contracts, but we have price adjustment schemes that are related to, I would say, regionally developed formulas on input costs, labor, inflation, material.

I would say, we are, I would say, well protected there.

Christoph Biefeld

Thanks a lot.

Joachim Schönbeck

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Patrick Steiner from ODDO BHF. Please go ahead.

Patrick Steiner

Good morning, Patrick Steiner speaking. Congratulations to the good results.

Two questions remaining from my side. After this very good order intake in Hydro Power in Q1, how should we think about the order intake run rate on a quarterly basis going forward?

Secondly, you've discussed already the Iran war impact, but it would also be interesting what you see on the customer side and if you see any kind of supply chain issues in Asia. Thank you.

Joachim Schönbeck

As we do not give outlook and guidance on order intake, but maybe two comments: the run rate per quarter in hydro will be lower than Q1, but we expect that the order intake will be for the full year higher than last year. On the impact on the war with Iran, as I said, with the orders we booked recently, we do not have a lot of traffic of goods need to pass the Middle East, which, I would say, gives us quite a good level of comfort that we will not see direct impacts from whatever is happening there.

As I said, we cannot take ourselves out of this indirect impacts.

Patrick Steiner

Thank you very much. The the Q1 Q1 order order intake, would you see this like more as a as a one-off or should we should we expect higher quarterly demand compared to to to '25, for example?

Joachim Schönbeck

As I said, that's for sure as a one-off, and it's more, I would say, a accumulation of bookings, yeah, as I said, some had been delayed from Q4 and some were then become effective a bit earlier than anticipated, yeah. It will remain an exceptional quarter.

Patrick Steiner

All right, thank you very much. I'll get back in line.

Operator

The next question comes from Daniel Lion from Erste Group. Please go ahead.

Daniel Lion

Good morning. Thanks.

I would like to ask you about the development in hydro and its impact on your improving pricing power and actually also the backlog levels and revenue developments. First, how do you see the trajectory that revenue will gradually catch up with the backlog level trends going forward?

The second is, always maybe slightly premature because we are not yet in the margin corridors that you guided, but given the pricing power that is improving for you, what does this mean for margins in 2 to 3 years when the current orders start to materialize?

Joachim Schönbeck

I would say, and I communicated that last time when we presented Q4 results in March, that we are very confident to move Hydro Power into the margin corridor of 7% to 9%. We have better price quality in the recently booked orders compared to the legacy backlog.

As the legacy backlog is moving out of the backlog gradually, we see a trend and we see this trend remaining upwards. That is basically, yeah, that's what we see.

The first question was about how we work down the backlog, or I didn't fully get your first question.

Daniel Lion

Actually, the question, also relating to historical development, usually you have a backlog-to-revenue of roughly 2. Now actually it's above 3.

There's a big gap for revenue to catch up with the strong backlog that you currently have. I was just wondering how quickly you expect this to happen, and also relating to your capacities, what is actually realistic to generate based on capacities you have in place and expect to build up going forward?

Joachim Schönbeck

We only take orders that we can deliver. That is for sure.

I mentioned that we're building up capacities. You could see that on the employee side.

We had invested, and we are still investing quite extensively for the hydro business. At the moment, that's happening in Austria, but also in India, in Brazil, and also in North America.

In order to prepare ourselves for these projects. As I said, we will see that the backlog will turn a bit slower into revenue than you could see that for the previous years as a share of the hydro backlog is higher.

Execution time for hydro projects are between rather 3 to 5 years than 2 to 3 years, as we know it from Pulp & Paper.

Daniel Lion

Thanks. A last one on restructuring.

Can you provide us a number that we should expect for the current fiscal year?

Joachim Schönbeck

A number? A number for what?

Daniel Lion

How much would you expect to invest into restructuring, especially for metals, but maybe also slightly in...?

Joachim Schönbeck

I don't have that number on hand, but I would say it's probably fair that it will be in a similar order of magnitude than '25.

Daniel Lion

Okay. Thanks.

Thanks a lot.

Joachim Schönbeck

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Akash Gupta from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Akash Gupta

Yes, hi. Thanks for taking my follow-up.

I have more of a high-level question. I think it's been almost 2 months since we had this Middle East crisis, and still the situation is not resolved and we are having a major energy crisis.

Dr. Schönbeck, you have a lot of businesses that are quite relevant in this whole debate on energy transition.

You have hydro, you have biomass boiler, you have automotive business, and I think there are growing optimism on electric vehicle sales uptake, as people might force to switch from IC engine car to electric cars to bring down their cost. I wanted to ask, has there been any change in your conversation with customers on demand in some of the customer industries?

Are you seeing any change in behavior already that they are probably keen to go ahead and do something sooner than later, or is it still a bit too early? Thank you.

Joachim Schönbeck

I would say it might be a bit too early, but of course we see that in a general trend that high energy costs or high energy prices is driving this energy transition, yeah. That is for sure.

It reminded everybody that if we have decoupled Europe from Russian gas and we went into huge contracts with Qatar, that if Qatar cannot supply, we still are in a difficult situation. I think the key drivers for the energy transition are still there, and to provide a solid, diversified portfolio, I think is needed, and, I would say, industry, politicians, and our customers have understood that.

Having said that, I would say, project activities are there, but decision-making has not happened yet.

Akash Gupta

Thank you. Just a housekeeping on metals.

What is the rough split between auto and steel for the segment in revenue term? Thank you.

Joachim Schönbeck

I would say, let's say it's 40% automotive, 40% steel, and 20% other industries.

Akash Gupta

Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Matthias Pfeifenberger.

Matthias Pfeifenberger

Yes, thanks a lot to the management board for their elaborations, and to the audience for the excellent questions and your continued interest in ANDRITZ. We of course remain available for follow-ups after this very excellent quarter, and I would now like to pass on the word again to Dr.

Schönbeck, our CEO, for final remarks. Thanks a lot.

Joachim Schönbeck

Thank you, Matthias. As I said, we are happy with the first quarter, one of the most troubled quarters we could see in geopolitical developments.

Confidence of our customers remains strong to trust ANDRITZ also in these times to provide orders for us, and that helps us to look to the future quite confident based on the high backlog, strong improvement in the service business, and also improvements in our profitability. We also can expect that next crisis we also can take on quite proactively.

That's about what we wanted to say. Thank you once more for your attention, and then talk to you in 3 months from now.

Thank you very much.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is now over, and you may now disconnect your lines. Goodbye.