Mika Saariaho
Good afternoon, and welcome to this Raute's first quarter business review. I'm Raute's CEO, Mika Saariaho, and together with our CFO, Ville Halttunen, we'll go through the highlights of the first quarter events.
You also have a chance to ask questions at the end of the presentation, the live audience here can use the microphone, and then if you're online joining this meeting, you can post the questions there also in the into chat box. You can post questions either in in English or Finnish, and we'll we'll respond then accordingly.
Very good. Let's get started.
I will start with some of the highlights of our performance during the first quarter of this year. I would maybe summarize it in in two different ways.
I would say that the market environment where we operated was very challenging. We maybe had a view in the beginning of the year that the market would already start to recover a bit faster than what really was then the reality.
We saw further escalations in the global economic and geopolitical arena, the uncertainty really intensified. This really led then for us to have a quite, I would say, low order intake for the first quarter of our of our business this year.
This was, of course, consequence of our customers' hesitation in in placing the orders and and further considering their their orders and and the approach for updating their or upgrading their technology technologies in their their operations. Then, on the other hand, I would say that this was maybe also already repeating some of the earlier quarters and and couple of earlier years.
It was a good quarter for Raute in terms of our operational performance. Very strong performance.
We were very successful in in our customer work, delivering the projects that we have in the pipeline being on time, on budget. In fact, we were able to release some of the cost reservations also during the first quarter of of this year, which then resulted in us posting, I would say, quite good profitability actually during the first quarter if you take into account the lower net sales volume that we reached.
Obviously, compared to last year's comparison period, the figures are much lower. Last year, it was a very high net sales and high profitability.
Now, I would say with a lower net sales, the relative profitability was on on a very good level. This was, in particular, visible in the in our biggest business unit, which is this wood processing, which really, I would say, the profitability was, I would say, exceptionally strong during Q1.
It was really these reversals of the certain project-related cost provisions. Overall, we've been managing the costs very carefully during the first half of the year first quarter of the year, which has been the same approach we've been now now having for a couple of years already when we look at the the very volatile environment where we operate.
This was this was the success of the of the of the quarter. Then on the other hand, I would say that in services and analyzers, the result both on the top line, and I would say therefore, in the in the bottom line also, did not quite meet our own expectations.
In services, we did experience the fact that our customers' operations are not necessarily running at full speed, which was reflected in the in the service business we had. Then the analyzers, still the upgrades on these areas using analyzers are are on a low level, I would say, of what we've been experiencing.
The net sales realization was low, and that actually had a quite clear impact on the on the bottom line then as well. There's a quite big sales net sales lever to the profitability both in services and analyzers as it is also in in wood processing.
I would describe maybe the market that since it is so volatile now and and and during the first quarter, there were further escalations in the world. Of course, we know the the war in Iran.
It has caused more uncertainty. It has also increased at least the risk of inflation.
Global logistics chains have been impacted by that, and this has had an impact on our customers' investment decisions. We clearly hear that customers are thinking more carefully, is this the right time, and when is the right time exactly to place the orders on the technology for their operations.
Since this been the case and as we are in the volatile business, our very much focus has been also on managing the internal operations, managing our costs, making sure that we manage the margin that we are realizing from our business, focusing on the disciplined project execution. On that front, I I I'm happy what we have been able to accomplish during the first quarter as well.
As a part of this managing the costs, we also announced today that we are expanding the the possible temporary layoffs in in in our Finland-based operations. We've already had these measures in in use.
I've been We've been using this very proactively, and now we actually expanded this scope so it really covers all the Finland-based operations. In other regions of the world, we have similar type of tools in use.
This is the system in Finland, and then in other operational locations, we have the local tools similar to that in use if and and when needed. Very much then depending on how the next months' order intake in particular develops, we will take these tools in into into use as we've been doing in the past couple of years already.
Looking at the figures little bit more details, net sales €33.5 million. Obviously, significant drop from last year's figures, but not a big surprise to us on a big picture, because our starting order backlog for this year was was much lower, obviously expectation is is on a lower level than than was in 2025.
Comparable EBITDA, that was on a good level, €4.2 million is a good achievement, more than 12% with with a with these these net sales volumes. I I consider this as a very good profitability.
I would even consider it as a little bit exceptional. We are in on such low level now in terms of our net sales that I would say normally this shouldn't quite be so high, but because of the project cost releases, this this looks now maybe even better than what it is.
The thing that I wanted to highlight nevertheless is that the the EBITDA reason for for the good EBITDA is truly operational reasons, this is not a one-timer in a sense of getting some extra benefit from somewhere. It really is a sign of an excellent project execution and ability then to save on some of the costs that we already budgeted.
Order intake €17 million. It was actually higher than last year, but last year was was really really bad, it was €15 million, and obviously €17 million is not a level where we want to be as a as a company where we move forward.
We have very strong balance sheet, which is good, of course. This is a buffer also for all kinds of uncertainties in the market.
Order book at the level of €81 million now. We'll look at a little bit more detail how that's been developing over the last couple of years, and and about 700 people, Rauteans, working in the company.
Here we see the order intake. We really what what stands out here is the 2023, obviously, when we got this very high order intake, €315 million, and we clearly see that, there's been couple of years already with the lower order intake, and this year also start is now on a on a low level.
This is, I would say, a little bit exceptionally long period of of a low order intake now, but, of course, it it's following the very high order intake, we are still delivering also projects from this 2023 order order intake that we then then received. Here is a picture of the order book, how that's been developing.
We see the decline. I think this is ninth quarter of decline in the order book, and obviously, we are now at the level of 81.
If you compare this to history, yes, we've been in this kind of a level, especially if you exclude Russia as a business there, but this starts to be quite low level, obviously, this is not where we expect to be when we move forward. Net sales, €33 million.
This is a quite direct reflection of the fact that the order order intake was low also last year, and and now it was low also in the first quarter and of of this year, taking those into account, this is actually quite quite understandable net sales realization. A lot of this coming from Europe, but North America also important, and then then other regions regions as well.
Comparable EBITDA, if the net sales, order intake are a bit challenging, I'm I'm actually very happy with this result, with the volume that we we now had, €4.2 million, obviously, is lower than last year's all-time all-time Raute history highest profitability that we achieved, but still this is this is in this kind of a market environment, I think, good good achievement and and I'm happy happy with that. Relative profitability, 12.6%.
If we think about Raute's strategic targets, we want to be more than 12% over cycle, and maybe one could consider that this is a little bit of a low cycle now that we are living, and we are still over 12%, so maybe maybe this is a little bit exceptionally high now even on on in that sense. Then on the other hand, if that would have been realized earlier, then the earlier figures would have been even higher if we knew that the costs are not needed for the project, so that's always part of the consideration.
A good result from from from this point of view. Operating profit also also positive.
We see in this picture, of course, the challenge we had couple of years, 2021, '22, and we've been really having a business turnaround on a on quite different level of operations now, even with the low volume that we also had on on some of those years. Personnel development over the years, we are now roughly 700 people.
The biggest drop last year was was the fact that we closed our operations in China, so that was roughly 50 people reduction, and then there has been some other reductions in the in the personnel as well. Couple of comments about the different segments.
Wood processing, I already said, this is the area where we see the most significant turnaround and development over the past years, here we can see quarter-to-quarter figures, and and compared to last year, the net sales went went down quite a bit for the reasons I already explained. Then on the profitability, €3.6 million comparable EBITDA, which is more than 15%, this is really really exceptional for for wood processing project type of business, and very happy about that, that the reason is very operational, good execution, and now it was realized in numbers in this first first quarter of this this year.
We can see the turnaround which has taken place over the over the past last 4, 5 years or so. Services, there was a drop on the top line as well.
This was a little bit disappointing to us. The fact and the reason behind is really that our service business is quite a bit relate relates to our the operations of our customers, the activity level of our customers, and we did see that in the first quarter, some of our customers are actually not operating at full speed.
It really is visible and it's a fact, and that is reflected also in our services business. Services also includes the small upgrades and and modernizations, and and that business also has been has been kind of on a low level, so that's the reason why top down came down.
I would say that in service also, we have quite high lever on the on the net sales to to profitability, and and therefore the profit, €0.8 million is is is a bit lowish for this business. It still is close to 10% margin, but for this business, it's not where we want to be and what is our ambition when we move move forward.
Then we had challenging quarter also for analyzers. Unfortunately, this is already the second quarter in a row for analyzer business where we are actually having negative comparable EBITDA.
It's very much explained by the fact that the volume is too low for this business to carry on and kind of creates a good profitable results. One should realize that this is an area also where we are doing quite a lot of R&D investments.
Big part of the fixed costs in for this business are our research people, in which area we have not really cut any material or significant way our efforts, because we believe this is the area where which is building the competitiveness of of Raute going forward, and therefore, we want to keep up those those activities. I believe that there's a very strong net sales to profitability lever in this business.
When the top top line starts to develop in a positive way, there's a good chance to make very good profits in this business. The product margins in in in other ways in other put it other way, the product margins in this business are on on a good and healthy healthy level.
Very good. Those were some of the highlights, and then I will hand it over to Ville with some details on the numbers.
Ville Halttunen
All right. Thank you, Mika.
Good afternoon also on my behalf. My name is Ville Halttunen, CFO for Raute.
As usual, I'll start from the earnings per share development, which dropped 44% in the quarter compared to last year. The decrease came from the operations, our operating profit drop is visible in the EPS numbers.
No big surprises in the items below. Financial items and taxes were close to our expectations, zero net interest income and tax rate of 20% in the quarter.
We have some items affecting comparability also in the quarter related to our ERP program that we are running globally, and then some restructuring costs as well. Cash flow-wise was a negative €5 million in the quarter, and as usual, there is quite big variation in our cash flow in our business.
Now some cash was tied into the net working capital during the quarter. This is something what is expected to happen also as we move forward.
As a reminder, there is different payment cycles in our project business and that then influences mostly the volatility of the cash flow, whereas the revenue recognition is based on the percentage of completion, which is more stable than what we show in the P&L. Net working capital now at the end of Q1 was close to €7 million, this was now second quarter in a long time that we were on a positive side here, and there was some €8 million of cash tied into net working capital.
Over long term, we have been on a close to zero level, and our target is to maintain this on a negative side, but obviously it depends highly on the timing of the projects that we have in the pipeline and order book, how this develops. We have strong balance sheet as Mika pointed out, equity ratio over 65% at the end of Q1, and net liquidity over €30 million, even if our cash has been now tied into the net working capital.
This is a end result of good results, and then not distributing all of that result back to shareholders, we have also now capacity to make investments in case they meet our investment criteria. Then looking into the CAPEX side, there are no big changes compared to last year.
Investments were €600,000, last year was €700,000, below our depreciation level, and that's something what we are continuing to renew our machinery and make targeted investments according to our plans here. Investments overall are close to our depreciation levels as we speak.
Then still on the R&D investments, so as pointed out also by Mika here earlier, they are close to last year's level in absolute terms. There is relatively quite large portion of these investments that go into the analyzer business, and in this line graph, you can see that the relatively now as our sales is coming down, this tax a bit our relative profitability overall.
We have continued these investments and see these important factors also as we move forward to maintain Raute's competitiveness and create innovative and new offerings in the market. That's all summary from my side, and then I hand back to Mika to conclude with the business environment and our guidance.
Okay.
Mika Saariaho
Thank you, Ville. If I try to summarize the business environment, it a little bit feels like being a broken record here, because I feel I've been saying the same story for the last couple of years already.
The market environment is challenging, still the uncertainty is big. I think we've been maybe wrong in the past saying that the recovery should start.
We've been in a good company, because it's been the whole world saying the same, and then there has been further escalations, and this happened also during the first quarter of this year. However, I'm very convinced, or let's say I would be very surprised if the market never recovers.
It always has, if the history has anything to teach us. At some point, the orders will start coming in.
We have at the moment, actually, I would say, quite good, healthy sales funnel. It's quite active.
The discussions with customers are very active. They were also active during the first quarter, but still the orders, signing of the orders, was postponed.
This was a little bit the case also in the quarters before that, it's a little bit the old story, same story. At the moment, I'm saying just that it's very hard to predict when this really actually exactly happens, because we know that, for example, the war in Iran is still now having an impact on the world, and it truly has not a direct impact to our business, but strong indirect impact to our industry, because our customers are then considering and reconsidering what is the right timing for their investments and what to do with the technology updates and upgrades.
Of course, our customers are operating in a construction business quite heavily, and we know that the construction market has been down now for extended period, I would say, and this is globally quite much true. We know that some of our customers have a little bit different target markets for their products, and they are doing fine, but some of our customers are actually not profitable at the moment.
Obviously, these kind of things and the current uncertainty impacts their decision-making. I think there's a good amount of, I would say, necessary investments that have to be done very soon, I'm sure the market will have to recover at some point if there's not another war in the world or similar taking place in the near future.
I think we are also very well positioned now as Raute. We've been focusing very much on our own operations and getting really some of the efficiencies out of our system.
I think we are on a better, higher level of operational capability than what we were a couple of years ago, so that's all is a good thing, because then when the market does recover, and it will recover, I think we are in a good position to capture those opportunities. Obviously, we have very long-term relations with our customers, so that also builds confident in that scenario.
Then on the other hand, if that doesn't now happen very soon or soon, we are ready then to take very proactively the actions to protect our margins and profitability in whatever environment we are then operating and experiencing. I would think that that's maybe the summary.
I think, for example, the temporary layoff negotiations that we are now starting and expanding to all Rauteans in Finland, I would like to add that we have similar tools in use in other parts of the world where we have other kind of legal system to manage the things similarly. We are actually having a global approach to manage our costs in a way that it's very proactive and it is really taking into account the current realities in the market.
Then if we look at the guidance, we already actually a week ago or so updated the guidance little bit, I would say. We reduced little bit the range for the net sales, because the order intake was low in the first quarter of this year, now the guidance is saying €125 to €160 million as net sales, we took it down €10 million the range, but we did not change the comparable EBITDA guidance.
We still believe we will be in the original range from €10 to €19 million, and this is also because of the very good profitability that we experienced in Q1 and the actions that we are planning then if needed for the latter part of the year to manage the cost and profitability. This is our guidance going forward.
To summarize maybe with just two sentences, I'm very happy as a CEO on the performance of Raute and our internal operations, and how we have been able to serve our customers successfully during the Q1. I'm also happy with the profitability that we achieved in this challenging environment.
We are then, on the other hand, challenged by the market realities, which have not really turned yet sustainably, or we cannot say when that exactly happens, but we are ready to also face if there's even a more prolonged downturn, we are ready for that. Then, on the other hand, I would say there are good cases that we are talking about with our customers, and the funnel for sales is, I think, in a healthy situation, at some point, we believe the market will recover as it always has.
That's all. Thank you very much, and I think we will now open for questions.
Is there anything from the audience here? Antti.
Antti Viljakainen
Thank you. Antti Viljakainen from Inderes.
Would you be well on black figures in wood processing if this project provision reversals didn't support margin with this €23 million net sales level?
Mika Saariaho
Now we were 15% comparable EBITDA and it was €3.6 million comparable EBITDA for that business, I would say that it all depends what kind of projects we would be realizing. Obviously, now what we are realizing, it's also not so that all this goodies that we now realized should have been booked earlier, because some of that really also happened during the Q1, also that should be taken into account.
I would maybe not exactly comment now, because you're basically asking what is the breakeven volume that we have, because I don't even necessarily have a full answer to that, because it really depends on the product mix. Because if we have a lot of modernization businesses in wood processing, it's quite different than having a big projects in delivery phase.
I would say that I would maybe refer to our long-term target, which is 12% over cycle, if we're now with this volume overall Raute, we were 12.6%, and this is maybe the low cycle, maybe we should, on a more normalized way, now to be there below 12 with these volumes, because we were 15%, 16% when the volume was much higher a year ago, something like that. That's maybe the variance.
Of course, to further answer that, if it would happen in wood processing that we would be reaching the kind of zero profitability, we would take obviously further actions and we would not reach that point, we would then reduce something on the cost side and that, of course, at some point, would then also start hindering the growth potential for that business. We have not done that.
We are investing into R&D, as I say, and all the other areas so that we are ready to capture the future opportunities. Long answer, but maybe not answering what you asked,
Antti Viljakainen
but. That was something I expected.
Okay. When it comes to demand, have you seen further weakening in demand since early March when these tensions in Middle East escalated if we think about demand in March and April?
Mika Saariaho
I I would not comment the Q2 second quarter at this point. I would just say that in the first quarter, we did see the impact of of this war already, it did very concretely postpone some of the decisions.
There was a message from customers, "Let's wait. Let's get back to this little bit later."
I think when when this little bit later is, is it in Q2 already or is it much later depends on what happens today and tomorrow in the market again, and is the Strait of Hormuz open or whatever, and all this will have a real real impact in our our customers' decision-making. I would say, although I've been saying it already before, that there is a good amount of discussions and active discussions with our customers ongoing, and this has been all now for a prolonged time the situation and always then there has been a postponement, but let's wait a little bit more time.
At some point, this this has to stop, obviously, and and the decision has to be made.
Antti Viljakainen
Can you confirm that you didn't lose any major project in Q1 to competition?
Mika Saariaho
Not major projects like that that it would have been in the news also if there's another mill-size or anything like that, and there hasn't been that kind of investments. On a small things, if you look at the €17 million order intake we got, big, big part of that is services and then some analyzers.
Actually, the ones that are now posting the most challenging numbers, those actually had a, relatively speaking, better order intake in Q1 than the wood processing, it was that way around. Obviously in this kind of a smaller cases, you win and you lose.
That's just kind of a normal part of the business, but I wouldn't describe it any exceptional things happening in Q1 either.
Antti Viljakainen
Okay. Then guidance, your net sales guidance is still quite wide and it doesn't look like that there is broad improvement in demand in sight.
My question is, is it a question if large project will kick in this year which decide if you end up at the upper or lower end of the range?
Mika Saariaho
Everything is still possible, and of course service business, for example, which was now down, it is a business we want to grow every year year-to-year, and normally in the normal environment, I think this would be achievable. Now it didn't look like quite like that in the first quarter, and that those orders are still to be booked.
Quite fast, of course, if the market activates, there's a more demand for services, for example, services can be quite there can be quite a big difference actually in services business. Then analyzers the same way.
Those orders are not yet necessarily there, and and and depends quite a bit. Then for wood processing, yes, the small ones are still open, and of course, there always is a possibility for a bigger order also.
If that happens, it can still realize still still some net sales even this year, but but that's that really remains to be seen how the market develops.
Antti Viljakainen
Okay. Finally, '28 targets, you are targeting €250 million revenue, and this year we will most likely end up, or at least midpoint of the guidance range is below 150.
Is there any other opportunity but huge cyclical upturn or M&A to reach these targets until '28?
Mika Saariaho
I think for '28 target, we do need inorganic growth. I think we've been saying that all the time, somewhat material part would need to be through inorganic growth.
I think otherwise, of course, it does maybe assume that for '28, there's some kind of a normalized recovery. We were already €200 million, and I would say the normalized recovery would be to be at least organically around that, and maybe a bit over, and that should be very much possible if the market does recover.
I think it's quite fair then to say that if it's another 2, 3 years of World Wars or something like that, that it's a different scenario, but if it's anyway normal, that should be the organic development so that we are not where we are now, but somewhere where we were and maybe a little bit over, and then there has to be inorganic growth as well. That's part of the plan.
You are right that the challenge for '28 ambition is more on the top line, but we have other targets. Other target is really to have this 12% profitability.
I think we have achieved quite well that target. That part of the thing is happening.
What happens then in the analyzers services growth, which we want this business to be more than 40% of our overall business, it little bit depends on the wood processing development as well, it might be that actually quite soon it is more than 40%, but if it's not good it's because wood processing goes down, there's these kind of things. On the profitability side, I think we are very much on track.
We've been focusing on that, internal efficiencies. Top line does require some kind of a recovery, obviously, by '28, not yet necessarily this year, because there's still 2 years, but yes, it does by 2028, plus inorganic actions.
Ville was explaining that we have a strong balance sheet, if those opportunities do emerge, we have the ammunition power to make some moves, but obviously we want to make sure all those make good sense if they are there.
Antti Viljakainen
Okay. Thank you.
Mika Saariaho
Thanks, Antti. Was there any questions from?
Ville Halttunen
There's a couple of questions on the line. Starting now from the customer activity, when it comes to potential mill-scale orders in Europe, do you think that the current environment causes significant further decision postponements even though these are large, long-term projects?
Mika Saariaho
They do have an impact, obviously, it's about the timing. Normally, what our customers plan in the ideal scenario is that they want to come online when they release a demand for the new investment, if it's a big mill size or a bigger line investment.
Obviously, that consideration is there. Then it depends on the customer's financial situation.
If they are having a struggle now, even if they believe in the long term, it might be a reason why they postpone some decisions. If the world is now volatile, these mill-size order timing question is particularly volatile always, because it always has been that when is the decision, what is driving that decision.
I can say that, as we have a normal type of sales funnel at the moment, there are small cases and there are also big cases in discussions as there have been all the time. Then
Ville Halttunen
there's a question still on the customer decision-making: what's the biggest uncertainty hurdle customers see at the moment that they are postponing their decisions?
Mika Saariaho
I think the biggest globally speaking is the recovery of the construction market, because that's so big part of our customers' investment. What is happening with both on the demand in the construction area, prices of those products, and then that is little bit combined with the fact of global tariffs impacting decision-making.
US has a tariff, for example, to export from Europe to USA, so that has an impact on those considerations, same way from Latin America to USA. USA has a big impact on this global picture overall.
Then
Ville Halttunen
a question of wood processing: are these wood processing active cost-saving measures you mentioned all attributable to the change negotiations?
Mika Saariaho
Can you repeat which way?
Ville Halttunen
Are these wood processing active cost-saving measures you mentioned all attributable to the change negotiations?
Mika Saariaho
Maybe I answer in the way that the savings in the wood processing side, now when we move forward and what we have already experienced, have required us to balance the workload also in terms of our employees. We have already taken those measures if there's not work because it's not equally distributed among our organization, we have taken those actions.
The good profitability in wood processing, that's only one small thing of the reasons. The other biggest reasons for good profitability are the savings we've done on the project execution side, and we've managed our supply chain, our costs overall, and the project execution has been very good, on time and on budget.
Those are the biggest reasons for wood processing profitability.
Ville Halttunen
All right. There is question also on the customer decision-making: despite the prevailing uncertainty, some of your customers have continued preparatory work for future investments.
Has the amount of activity decreased compared to the situation end of '25?
Mika Saariaho
It has not decreased. I think we also had last year those kind of discussions.
We have, at the moment, those kind of discussions. Normally, what I keep saying is, normal for Raute would be to capture one or one and a half kind of a mill-size bigger opportunities every year, and now the last time we captured something was I think February '24, this starts to be 2 and 1/2 years ago or so.
It's been a long dry season, to speak. Even during this dry season period, there has been active discussion, but as I said, things have been postponed, and there's been kind of external reasons mostly impacting those cases.
Ville Halttunen
That's all from the chat.
Mika Saariaho
Good. Thank you very much, and if there are no further questions now, thank you very much for participating, and we'll see you all in the next quarterly review meeting.
Thank you very much.
Ville Halttunen
Thank you.
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