Anu Heinonen
Good morning from Espoo, and welcome to the Suominen Q4 and full-year 2025 results call. My name is Anu Heinonen.
I work as the Communications and Marketing Director at Suominen, and I will be facilitating the call today. Joining me are our President and CEO, Charles Héaulmé, and CFO, Janne Silonsaari, who will present our results and also go through our newly published full-potential program and operating model.
Charles and Janne, the floor is yours.
Charles Héaulmé
Thank you. Good morning to all of you.
We will go through the results of the fourth quarter and the full-year 2025, and then go through the financial review in more detail, as Anu was saying. If we start with a summary of our results, which are summarized in the title that says it all: our results are unsatisfactory both in the fourth quarter and the full-year 2025 in a challenging environment, but also linked to our internal performance.
If I first focus on the fourth quarter of 2025, our net sales decreased by 20% versus 2024 same period, and the main aspects were linked to customers, particularly in the US, temporarily increasing their supply and imports from low-cost countries. That was also resulting from supply issues in our factories, particularly in the US.
As a consequence of this lower volume, the EBITDA was €1.9 million for the quarter, the cash flow was €7 million, and that drives to a full-year 2025 where the net sales altogether decreased by 11% versus 2024—25, sorry—versus 24. The comparable EBITDA decreased to a level of €12.8—€12.6 million.
The cash flow was €12.2 million. As end of Q2, we had launched a cost-saving program that was aiming at €10 million benefit over 24 months, and we may come back to this later.
This cost-saving program is proceeding and continues into 2026. Really important to mention, and we mentioned it of course in our Q3 call, but still in this one in terms of the impact on the full-year results, we had two major incidents in our US plants during the second—the third quarter and the fourth quarter that affected our ability to supply during those quarters, with an interruption of 3 months in one factory, in one line of one factory, and a flooding in another factory that meant losing a relatively significant inventory, which hampered our supply to customers.
With these disappointing results, the Board of Directors is proposing to the Annual General Meeting that no dividend shall be distributed for the financial year 2025. Based also on this situation, we have assessed precisely, deeply our situation and have decided to launch a 3-year performance improvement program aiming at profitability increase to reach our full potential within the next 3 years.
I'll come back to this, but first we will go into more details on the financial results with our CFO, Janne.
Janne Silonsaari
All right. Good morning from my behalf as well, and we start from the net sales, and net sales reflected lower volumes and currency effects, and we will open this split in the next slide.
As Charles mentioned, on Q4, net sales decreased by 20% and were roughly €95 million. As Charles already mentioned, we have had supply interruptions, and that prompted some US customers to temporarily seek alternative sources, which is visible in top line.
Altogether, full-year 2025 net sales decreased by 11% and were €412 million. Again, we'll follow up the impact split on the next slide, including currency impact.
Share of the new products out of the total net sales has been decreasing with the lower sales volume, this has been impacting also negatively through the profits due to the product mix and impacting on our EBITDA. Yes, and here we have the Q4 '25 versus '24 and full-year impact on the net sales.
Organic impact includes basically volume, price, and mix impact. These exceptional events are referring for the Q3 incidents at our US plants, as Charles was mentioning, and then further impact on Q4.
Then the currency impact is mainly related to the EUR/USD conversion rate. Okay.
As it says, the comparable EBITDA affected by the exceptional incidents during the Q3 and then the reflection and continuation on Q4. Comparable EBITDA totaled at €1.9 million in Q4.
Main reason for the decrease was lower sales volume. Also mix impacted negatively, as mentioned.
While sales prices were slightly lower in Q4, lower raw material prices offset partly the margin impact. Full-year comparable EBITDA was €12.6 million compared to the 17 previous year, and as said, the big impact was on the latter part of the year by the incidents we faced at the US plants in Q3, and negative impact continued in Q4, as stated earlier.
Yes, and here is still the consolidated statement of profit and loss, and the main impact on the so-called one-off items, or items affecting comparability, were related to the restructuring program, and then very small impact from the Mozzate plant closure, and there is a small impairment loss of €0.4 million coming from the just basically asset write-off of old products or line. The main impact really on the restructuring program costs that is ongoing.
Cash flow from operations amounted €7 million in Q4 and €12.2 million for full year. Main contribution was coming from the net working capital, where we have been able to improve, especially on the accounts receivable side, partly driven of course by the lower sales, and then on the inventories, which total have been impacting positively at the net working capital side, and then through that to the cash flow from operations.
This is in a way positive if we consider the low profit and general low performance we have had. That's it from my side.
Charles with the full-potential program, go ahead.
Charles Héaulmé
Thank you, Janne. I would like to first give a little bit of context because the full-potential program is not just based on the unsatisfactory results of 2025.
When we assess and look at our performance over years—and you can see on the chart that is projected over a period of about 10 years—we basically, as Suominen business, didn't provide growth. That's the first point.
Actually, if we compare to the baseline 2018, the sales are declining 4%, including volume and pricing. In addition, and more significantly even, the profitability has been declining a lot from the peak of the best years 2020, 2021, which we know were pushed by the demand during the COVID period at 10% to 13% EBITDA, then we are down since 4 years to the level of 3% EBITDA, which obviously is not enough for a company like ours to deliver to shareholders, but also to deliver investment to the future.
The key point here is that we consider that all our shareholders are expecting a different perspective, all our shareholders, but also all our stakeholders. Our customers continue to see Suominen as an innovation and sustainability leader, but consider that we are far too inconsistent in our production performance, and therefore that has driven to more imports from alternative supply.
Also, employees, still being loyal and willing to engage strongly, are also showing fatigue with this situation that is deteriorating results, and therefore it is our mandate to change the trajectory of the company, and to do that quickly. That's why we are entering and launching today the implementation of a full-potential program, which has as first absolute priority resetting the profitability.
Then we will look into later scaling the business, but the question of the capacity and the growth is secondary versus resetting the profitability and therefore also providing cash out of our business net-net. That means that for the next 3 years, our absolute focus is on profitability at the same time as reconsidering the culture of our company to make sure that we have a culture of accountability.
In history, all companies that have successfully turned around a business have done it also, and not only with business actions, but also with being very clear on their company culture, and that's why we have already initiated some work on this. This to say that if we want to build Suominen in the right way for the future, we need basically three dimensions.
We need to have the right culture, what we call the Suominen culture of accountability, already started the launch, as I was saying. We need the right focus on key priorities, which are about our full potential on the operations, the cost competitiveness, and driving profitable growth with our installed capacity, not with new capacity, with our installed capacity.
This is our priorities and the focus we need to have. We also need to have the right operating model, and why am I saying that is because we are entering into a transformation phase, and if we want to have a rapid transformation and an effective transformation, we need to have an organization that is dedicated to driving expertise and effectiveness, also securing the very disciplined execution of this full-potential program that we are launching today.
That's why we have announced this morning also to change our operating model. I will come back to that.
First, about the focus we have in the full-potential program, our situation today is not one problem. It's a combination, and therefore it's not just one action that's going to change trajectory.
It's about turning all the stones without any exceptions. We are looking and continuing to look at the fixed-cost competitiveness.
Together, changing the operating model, which will have an impact also on the fixed-cost reduction. Second, we're looking into procurement, obviously, direct and indirect supply savings.
Third, and foremost, the production efficiency and output. This is our priority number one, where we have the biggest benefit to get.
We need also to look at our portfolio pricing and business development. In the portfolio, we have some low-margin business that needs to be managed.
As already said, we will not be able to drive all of this if we don't have a very clear culture of accountability and without also a very engaged and committed workforce. That's why our deliverables for 2028, our objectives, are basically summarized as follows, five key objectives: first, safety.
We are delivering a good performance in safety, very few accidents in our seven factories, but the goal is zero accident, obviously. Second, we want to grow with our existing capacity.
Third, we want to raise the EBITDA profitability from 3% to 10% by 2028. We want to reduce our leverage, which is approximately 6, the ratio 6 of net debt over EBITDA at the end of 2025.
We want to reduce it in the corridor of 2 to 3 times. We want to raise our employee engagement up to 80%, meaning above industry benchmark.
This will not happen alone. We have major initiatives already standing up, and we will need the internal and external capabilities to do that.
That's why we are temporarily supporting ourselves with external experts, both on the manufacturing side and also on the other aspects, other streams of the business, like the strategy, commercial excellence, procurement, and the organization. We have an expert consultant helping us on the shop floor into our factories, with a focus on in the factories where most of the benefits are foreseeable, and that has just started in the month of January.
At the same time, we are planning to build internal capabilities in order to, of course, not being dependent on external resources over time, and we're standing up particularly the capabilities in the strategy and transformation organization. This program will also require some investments: investments into transformational operational costs over the next 3 years, estimated to be approximately €10 million, and also some focused capex investments.
I want to remind that these capex investments are not for capacity; they are for restoring our installed base to industry standard and upgrading this equipment where necessary. We estimate this to be €20 million need, on top of our normal investment for maintenance.
The program would have a cost of roughly €30 million over the next 3 years. As said before, it's not enough to have the right focus and the right culture.
We need to have an operating model that is helping us to be more effective and more expert in what we are doing. There is nothing wrong with the organization that we have had for several years, the geographical organization.
It works very well in many contexts, but I don't believe that in a company where we have only one business, and therefore the opportunity to have a relatively simple and streamlined organization, when we need to engage into a forceful transformation like now, I think we need to have a more focused and dedicated organization, experts in all the parts that are the engine of our business. What I mean is the engine of the business being customers, and factories for supplying our customers.
That's why the decision has been made to come to a globally functional organization with this engine of the business—customers, factories—being exactly reflected in the internal responsibilities with a Chief Commercial and Technology Officer and a Chief Operating Officer. This is streamlining the Executive Committee.
Then we have three support functions that is also streamlined so that we are as efficient as possible in the Executive Committee. This is effective on the 1st of February, basically immediately.
I want to make a disclaimer extremely important: when we globalize the leadership of the commercial function, it does not mean that we get out of the local sales organization. A name of the game to be successful is to be close to customers, and therefore we're not restructuring anything on our sales team in terms of where they are located.
They need to be close to our customers and being customer-centric. This is more about the global management being streamlined and focused on a specific expertise and effectiveness level.
Which brings me to show you now the Suominen leadership team that will be effective on the 1st of January 2026, with the key changes being that Markku Koivisto, who is today the EVP region Europe, Middle East, Africa, is taking charge as Chief Commercial and Technology Officer. He is today already the CTO, from that point of view, it's a logical combination.
It's a very logical combination as most of the discussions and strategic agenda with customers have to do with supply reliability, competitiveness, and innovation, transition from non-plastic solutions, and therefore the combination of being the Chief Commercial and the Chief Technology is actually quite of powerful, and Markku's profile is enabling this. The second change is that the COO, François Guyetand, who is a manufacturing expert, who started in the company in November, we are broadening his role by not being just functional, but he will be in direct command of all the factories, the safety, the engineering, the procurement, and supply chain.
That's what I call driving with these two positions expertise and effectiveness into how we drive the business. Of course, the essential success factor will be in the working together with the same clear, aligned objectives, which are already on the table.
Then we are appointing also Marika Valkiparta, who was already reporting to me as VP Transformation. We are appointing her into the Suominen leadership team, into this streamlined team, as of 1st of February.
Then, our CFO, Janne Silonsaari, and I had discussed openly some months ago on our company situation, the need of a radical transformation, and also on his personal goals, and came to the conclusion that he was also keen on exploring new opportunities. We decided to therefore search for a new CFO, and we have appointed Kimmo Raunio as our new CFO.
Kimmo will join us latest on the 1st of June, likely a little bit earlier in the month of May. Kimmo is joining us from the Fortaco Group, where he works since 13 years, and 10 out of these 13 years as CFO and Deputy CEO.
Kimmo has a strong track record in the industrial manufacturing sector and at executive level, because 10 years as CFO, and also driving turnaround, productivity activities, and he has experience of both the private equity environment and also listed company, as Fortaco is managed according to the listed company governance since a couple of years. Welcoming Kimmo later in the first semester, and then we will wish Janne all the best for the future.
Janne will continue as CFO until Kimmo comes in. Which brings me to conclude this by saying that our focus is now on resetting the company profitability.
We will not focus on scaling our business now. Of course, we will do that later, but first and foremost, it's about resetting our capability to deliver good profit and cash flow.
Then after that, we will scale the company. The future strategic orientation will be analyzed later this year once we have initiated our key resetting activities.
We will of course keep you updated when and if we have any strategic direction change going forward. Ending the presentation with our outlook statement, where we are saying for 2026 that we expect the comparable EBITDA in 2026 to improve versus 2025.
Anu Heinonen
Thank you, Charles and Janne. Now let's open the line for questions.
Operator
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The next question comes from Joni Sandvall from Nordea. Please go ahead.
Joni Sandvall
Thanks, Charles and Janne, for the presentation. Maybe starting with the Q4 questions.
I'm just thinking you said 2 point—was it €2.4, €2.8 million that you lost sales due to this incident in Q4—in Q3? How large risk you see that this situation continues, that your customers are still continuing to use the alternative sources going into '26?
Charles Héaulmé
This is a good question. Let's be precise.
In the two events, the first one, which was a major breakdown in a factory in the US, created a basically 3-month interruption of production of one major line. This is over, and no more consequence.
This is all back to normal business. The second event was a flooding in another US factory, and because of this flooding and because of the significant inventory lost, inventory of finished goods, then particularly one customer had to drive towards alternative supply at that time in order to comply with the demand on the market, and it's a growing customer.
That means that some importing from low-cost country as a result meant not a long-term contract, but long term from our point of view, couple of months, which means that it will also impact Q1, and we will be back in normal, absolutely normal order pattern in April. Q1, we still foresee for that specific event the same level of direct impact on the sales.
Joni Sandvall
That's clear. Then given the weak volumes that you are currently having, and as you said, you're aiming for fixed-cost reductions, are you considering any adjustments to capacity going forward?
If you could give any color on your operating rates currently?
Charles Héaulmé
Number one, I would say we are Obviously, if we would keep exactly the same volume as 2025 going forward, then we have clearly too much capacity. We have too much capacity with the capacity installed, but on top, we are starting the commercial production early second quarter on our new line in Spain, we would clearly have too much capacity.
Very clearly, that would need to drive towards a capacity adjustment. However, we are in a market where we have growth, a low-single-digit growth in Europe, also in the US and in Brazil.
However, with a category, the MTT, the moisturized toilet tissue in the US, that is growing at high single digit, the demand is high, and we expect also some growth in other regions. That means that we are in a context where we should receive more demand.
Third, let's remember that our volume 2025 is linked to the big impact of three things: number one, the trade policy evolution that has meant a disruption in the first semester with huge imports from China basically in the first quarter. That has disrupted a lot the first semester volume.
Second, our two events in the US factories that I just mentioned before, those meant a pretty significant reduction of our volume. This volume from the events is back into 2026, we should see growth in 2026.
Then if we don't see enough growth, or if we want to drive further competitiveness, looking at the manufacturing footprint is of course not excluded.
Joni Sandvall
Okay. That's clear.
Then going on the profitability improve programs, maybe firstly on the €10 million program, what was the run rate in Q4? Maybe secondly on the new program, how should we think about the bridge towards the 10% target?
Here is there more material uplift when you have completed this €20 million capex investments with maybe then points more towards the end of the target period?
Charles Héaulmé
Yeah. Several questions in one.
The €10 million program run rate end of 2025, roughly €5 million. Impact in 2025 P&L roughly €2.5 million versus 2024.
That's one thing. It is continuing.
We are continuing the effort on reducing cost, and when I'm talking about those numbers, I'm talking fixed cost only, okay? We have also reduced and done some cost reduction on the procurement, and we'll continue or even accelerate.
Now, what will happen with this €10 million program, it's not a program that is going to live its own life on the side of the full-potential program. The full-potential program is taking over, in a much broader scale, this specific cost-saving program, which will be embedded into the overall program.
Then your question about the investments in the factories, that will have indeed a more, let's say, weighted impact towards '27, '28 because this is about restoring some of our factories to the basic industry standards, which we have lost over years of lacking maintenance in those factories, or upgraded some equipment, automating, and that will bring more benefits in 2027, 2028. Which may bring me to say, because it may be a successive question into what you ask, if you draw a trajectory from the 3% EBITDA to the 10% EBITDA, do we see a linear progression?
Likely not, okay? It's not a front-loaded program because of a reason is that the main part of the benefits will come from the manufacturing improvements, and that does not come overnight, obviously.
Joni Sandvall
That's clear. Maybe one more question on the operating model.
You are clearly targeting higher accountability on the P&L responsibility while simultaneously bringing the commercial functions together. You said that you are keeping the sales teams, but now with the COO commanding all the factories, I'm just thinking is there a risk that there is too many layers now between customers and factories in the new operating model?
Charles Héaulmé
No. We're not increasing the layers at all.
Absolutely not. On the contrary, the fact that we organize this operating model differently is an opportunity to improve drastically our S&OP process.
That's the number one thing, so that's where the customers will first benefit from the change. The second thing is, if you ask any of our customer what is their main pain point with Suominen, it is the fact that we are not reliable in supply.
Why aren't we reliable in supply is because we have too many breakdowns and efficiency problem in our factories, and we need therefore a very expert and clear line of command, which we didn't have with the regional organization. By definition, end-to-end geographical responsibility doesn't bring expertise.
It brings harmonization eventually, but it doesn't bring expertise into each aspect. Our customers, I have just now spoken to one customer, and he was like, "Wow, fantastic!
This is exactly what Suominen needs."
Joni Sandvall
Okay. Perfect.
Thanks. That's all from me.
Operator
The next question comes from Joonas Ilvonen from Evli. Please go ahead.
Joonas Ilvonen
Hi, it's Joonas from Evli. If I can just come back to these market growth rates you just discussed.
You did say that US moist toilet tissue market is growing at a high-single-digit rate, right? Then I think you said Europe is growing at a low-single-digit rate.
Is that correct?
Charles Héaulmé
Yes, that's exactly what I said. If you look at the world, and If you take our portfolio, the majority of our portfolio is baby wipes.
An interesting part of our portfolio, particularly in the US, is the so-called MTT, moisturized toilet tissue, which is big in the US and small in the rest of the world. Likely, if you think about long term, this is a category that is likely going to grow also in the rest of the world, but right now very relevant in the US.
If you look at the world, there is, everybody knows, a demographic crack in the world. There are fewer and fewer baby.
The natality is going down. What we see in terms of shift in the markets is baby wipes slightly declining in volume, not dramatically, but slightly declining everywhere.
Then you have other products like senior applications for elder people in terms of wipes and other nonwoven applications increasing, and then the category of MTT is the one growing at a pace that is high single digit in the US. That's the most relevant growth we see right now.
Joonas Ilvonen
Okay. The US market as a whole is maybe mid-single-digit growth, or?
Charles Héaulmé
Mid small mid single-digit growth, yeah.
Joonas Ilvonen
Okay. If I can come back to Europe, in the US, you had this supply disruptions, but also in European figures were maybe slightly lower than expected.
Was it mainly these low-cost imports again that affected your European figures?
Charles Héaulmé
This is we have a very big internal headache that I mentioned very clearly, which is our production and supply efficiency and reliability, and the external headache is the fact that there is in this global market, there is capacity. There is overcapacity.
Therefore, it's important that we are in a growing market because there is today too many alternatives, and that is also hampering our volume in 2025, also in Europe.
Joonas Ilvonen
Okay. Then Q4 sales margins, and also going forward.
Now the nonwovens prices decreased, but also raw materials prices decreased. Previously, your sales margins developed favorably, but what was the net effect?
Did they turn to decline now with the nonwovens prices even though raw materials prices?
Charles Héaulmé
I'm not sure to have gotten your question. Is whether our margin had declined?
No, our margins have slightly increased, and that's on the back of better sourcing and procurement activities. Our big issue is the volume, but otherwise, the margin, the variable margin has actually slightly increased in 2025.
Joonas Ilvonen
Okay. Then another question on these capex investments.
Are these focused on the in the US or Europe or both? I understand that these are relatively small and straightforward upgrade investments across your manufacturing network.
Is that correct?
Charles Héaulmé
I anticipate that the majority will be in the US, but not all, of in what we need to do in this full-potential program in the factories. The majority of the investments will be in the US factories, yeah.
Joonas Ilvonen
Okay. Thanks.
All from [unclear].
Operator
The next question comes from Samu Wilhelmsson from Nordea Markets. Please go ahead.
Samu Wilhelmsson
Hi, Samu from Cre- Research. Thanks for the presentation.
Maybe just a quick question regarding let's say near-term capital allocation, because you have presented the targets for balance sheet metrics for 2028, but in the near term, how are you seeing you're doing efforts in the balance sheet? Because given weak profitability and margin pressure, how are you, for example, approaching leverage and refinancing risks in the near term, given that you have a senior bond that is maturing in 18 months?
Janne Silonsaari
Yes, thanks for the question, and that is of course very relevant in this position. As a reminder, our senior bond is maturing in June '27, and naturally, we are looking all the options ongoing.
Do not close, of course, we are not disclosing here that we will do this or that when the time comes and when that would take place, then we will come out as supposedly, but the question is of course on the table that since we know that there will be items where we need to invest, that what would be the financing items. We are not ready to disclose yet any of the items, but yes, you are asking the right question in that sense that all those opportunities are on the table, and we are considering and reviewing those carefully.
Samu Wilhelmsson
For example, given that where you're at the moment with the balance sheet and the profitability, you don't see an immediate refinancing risks?
Janne Silonsaari
I would say that if you're asking the direct risk, no, it's not the direct risk, no, but at the same time, it is something that yes, we consider and follow carefully. This is of course naturally in this kind of situation where the target is much lower if we are talking about, for example, the leverage and the balance sheet overall, then it's an item where we are having a constant discussion with all the relevant stakeholders, and it is ongoing discussion, and we are looking for the let's say ways to improve the situation and bringing that back, let's say, on at normal level.
It's very much in our focus, definitely.
Samu Wilhelmsson
All right. Thank you very much.
Operator
The next question comes from Rauli Juva from Inderes. Please go ahead.
Rauli Juva
Hi. Rauli from Inderes here.
My colleagues asked already most of the relevant questions, but maybe still coming back on the volume or sales decline for the full year of '25. How much of that would you kind of in total describe as temporary losses related mostly to the US issues with tariffs and production that you are expecting to regain in '26, and what proportion is perhaps related to more permanent kind of losses or yeah?
Charles Héaulmé
I would say that, yes, the majority is temporary in essence. There is always a risk when you because of this temporary issue, you let other alternatives enter, that these alternatives are further used.
It would be a speculation, and that's why on a previous question, I said prudently that we're going to monitor the growth. That we see growth coming, yes, but we're going to monitor the recovery in order to understand whether this requires capacity adaptation or not.
It's too early to say at this point, but we are very precisely looking at that, yeah.
Rauli Juva
True. That's fair.
Then maybe a few questions more the number side on capex. Firstly, is the €25 million you spent last year a decent proxy going forward given the additional full-potential investments, or what kind of annual level should we be expecting?
Charles Héaulmé
No. Let's remember I will let Janne complement.
The €25 million of 2025 is including an important capacity investment in Spain, our new line that will be up and running as of early second quarter. As I said before, we're not planning any capacity investments going forward in the next couple of years.
Therefore, what we're talking about in terms of investments going forward is the business-as-usual maintenance plus the necessary investment for the full-potential program. How much the total means per year, I would relatively prudently say that it will be between €10 and €20 million, lower than €20 million and likely more in the middle than closer to €20 million per year.
Rauli Juva
Okay. Thanks.
Charles Héaulmé
Anything to complement, Janne?
Janne Silonsaari
No, I think that Charles captured it, and if looking without the expansion investments that we have had within the couple of previous years, then the trend-wise, the let's say called maintenance improvement type of investments have been plus-minus €10 million, even below in the past years. Going forward, of course, an area which we need to take very carefully due to the fact that Charles has been mentioning a few times that to be ensure the production efficiency and also reliability.
Nothing further to add.
Rauli Juva
That's clear. Then finally, maybe to you as well, Janne, the level of receivables is quite low or was quite low.
We discussed last quarter that you have had some arrangements there, but is this like a normal level now going forward which you have had in the second half of the year, or is there something unusual?
Janne Silonsaari
I remember you asked last time, and I confirmed that yes, we do have this supply chain financing with some of the customers, and we have also this accounts receivable selling, let's say, readiness for certain customers that we are utilizing with chosen ones. Main impact of course coming also from the lower sales, but all those together, then we have been focusing very much on collecting the receivables early, and let's say implementing shorter payment terms where applicable.
I would say that if and when the sales will increase, I'm expecting that will drive also the receivables up, but in relation, we are looking for, yes, the more optimized level going forward as well.
Rauli Juva
Yeah. Okay.
That's clear. That's all for me.
Thanks.
Operator
As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please dial pound key 5 on your telephone keypad. There are no more phone questions at this time, I hand the conference back to the speakers for any written questions or closing comments.
Anu Heinonen
Thank you. As there are no written questions, I would like to thank you all for this call and welcome you to join us to hear about our first-quarter performance on May 7th.
Thank you all, and have a good day.
Charles Héaulmé
Thank you. Bye-bye.
Janne Silonsaari
Thank you. Bye.
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