Operator
{"timeline":[{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Good morning, everyone, and welcome to today's AMG First Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.
Later, you will have the opportunity to ask questions during the question-and-answer session. You may register to ask a question at any time by pressing star, then the number one on your telephone keypad.
Please note, this call is being recorded and I will be standing by if you should need any assistance. It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Thomas Swoboda.
Please go ahead."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yes,
Thomas Swoboda
good day, everyone, and welcome to our first quarter 2026 earnings call. As usual, joining me on this call is the entire AMG management board, namely Dr.
Heinz Schimmelbusch, the Chairman of the Management Board and Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Jackson Dunckel, the Chief Financial Officer; and Mr.
Michael Connor, the Chief Corporate Development Officer. We published our first quarter 2026 earnings press release yesterday, along with a presentation for investors, both of which you can find on our website.
They include our disclaimers about forward-looking statements. Today's call will begin with a review of the first quarter 2026 business by business highlights by Dr.
Schimmelbusch. Mr.
Connor will comment on strategy and Mr. Dunckel will comment on AMG's financial results.
At the completion of Mr. Dunkle's remarks, Dr.
Schimmelbusch will comment on outlook. We will open the line to take your questions thereafter.
I will now pass the floor to Dr. Schimmelbusch, AMG's Chairman of the Management Board and Chief Executive Officer.
Dr. Schimmelbusch."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Thank
Heinz Schimmelbusch
you, Thomas. Ladies and gentlemen, our focus on a broad portfolio of critical materials and technologies for the energy transition is increasingly paying off.
In Q1, we achieved an adjusted EBITDA of $44 million, a 2% improvement compared to $43 million in Q4 '25. This is better than expected, initially driven by the consolidation of Aura, beginning January 1, 2006-- 2026.
Beyond circular molybdenum, Aura brought recycled tungsten into our critical materials portfolio, and the tungsten price performance helped their results. On April 9, we increased our capital by 10%, successfully placing shares at €34 per share.
The capital increase was oversubscribed four times. The proceeds of $127 million will be used to finance expansions into lithium, high-purity molybdenum, and vanadium.
These projects have low capital requirement, short implementation times, and quick payback. We are laying the groundwork to play a key role in achieving energy and critical materials sovereignty in Europe and the US.
The capital increase makes sure that we can implement the earlier mentioned projects in any given geopolitical environment. I will now hand over to Mike Connor.
Mike?"} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Thank
Michael Connor
you, Heinz. Good morning, everyone.
In the first quarter, our markets have remained resilient, despite the conflict in the Middle East. While we may see some limited impact from higher energy costs, particularly in Europe, and potential volatility in vanadium feedstock later in the year, the broader effect has been to reinforce the key structural tent trends already underway: electrification, energy security, supply chain localization, and recycling.
AMG is uniquely positioned to capitalize on these trends, which remain central to our strategy, and we will continue to aggressively pursue growth opportunities. Pricing across many of our key materials, including lithium, tantalum, and vanadium, improved during the quarter.
These gains are supported by structural tailwinds from global trends, underpinning a more resilient and constructive pricing environment over the longer term. In lithium, Brazil delivered production in line with guidance.
We enter the second quarter As we enter the second quarter, higher realized prices and volumes are expected to drive meaningful step-up in profitability. At Bitterfeld, we are ramping on plan, consistently producing battery-grade lithium hydroxide within specification and generating initial sales and gross profit, an early validation as we move toward full commercial production.
We are also advancing a carbonate-to-hydroxide conversion plant to process additional recycled feedstock, improving our cost efficiency and flexibility, supported by a German government grant, as previously announced. In vanadium, fundamentals remain supported by steel demand and growing interest in grid-scale energy storage, particularly for long-duration applications.
Our recycling and upgrading capabilities position us as a differentiated and sustainable supplier. Strategically, we continue to expand our global footprint.
In the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, our Supercenter project with Shell is progressing on schedule, with engineering complete and key equipment deliveries planned for later this year, positioning us to play a central role in the Kingdom's industrial and energy transition strategy. In parallel, AMG's LIVA hybrid energy storage system deployment for Aramco further supports the development of an integrated vanadium value chain in the region.
In the United States, we are opening our chrome metal facility in New Castle, Pennsylvania, creating domestic production of a material designated as critical for aerospace, defense, and energy applications. The Aura acquisition performed ahead of expectations in the first quarter, driven by strong performance in tungsten markets.
This early outperformance highlights the quality and resilience of the business and reinforces the strategic rationale for the acquisition. In addition, Aura provides a strong platform for our expansion into high-purity molybdenum, where we see clear opportunities to leverage our existing recycling and processing expertise to drive further growth and value creation over time.
During the quarter, we also strengthened our balance sheet through an equity raise, and now expect to close the graphite divestiture in the second quarter, sharpening our focus on core energy transition materials. Overall, the first quarter reflected solid execution and building momentum.
We enter the second quarter with improving market conditions, expanding capacity, a clear strategic vision, and continued focus on disciplined execution and long-term value creation. I will now pass the floor to Jackson Dunckel.
Jackson?"} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Thank
Jackson Dunckel
you, Mike. Starting on page 4 of the presentation, you can see that Q1 '26 adjusted EBITDA decreased 24% versus the same period last year.
This is primarily due to the exceptionally strong profitability from AMG Antimony in Q1 of last year. On the lower left, you can see our net income attributable to shareholder of $12 million during Q1 '26 was more than double the $5 million in the first three months of last year, aided by a write-up of our lithium inventories.
On page 5, you can see the price and volume movements for our key products represented by arrows, which underscore our segmental results. I will cover these price and volume movements for the individual segment comments.
AMG Lithium results are shown on page 7. On the top left, you can see that Q1 '26 revenues increased 89% versus the prior year, driven by the start-up of the Bitterfeld plant, which sold unqualified, battery-grade lithium hydroxide, as well as higher spodumene volumes and improving lithium and tantalum sales prices.
Q1 '26 adjusted EBITDA was $4 million, compared to $5 million in Q1 last year. Despite strong production in the cur- current period, sales were impacted by shipping vessel availability and will be realized in the second quarter.
Q1 '25 was also impacted by non-recurring costs related to the start-up of our spodumene capacity expansion, which are added back to EBITDA. AMG Vanadium results are shown on page 8.
Revenue for the quarter increased by 18% compared to Q1 '25, due largely to increased volumes of chrome metal and ferrovanadium, as well as higher sales prices in ferrovanadium. Q1 '26 adjusted EBITDA of $21 million for our Vanadium segment was 60% higher than the same period in 2025.
This is primarily due to the increased volumes driven by improved spent catalyst availability from our North American suppliers, and the higher sales prices in ferrovanadium, which I just noted. The results for AMG Technologies are shown on page 9.
The Q1 '26 revenue of $205 million was in line with the $202 million in the same period last year, due to significantly higher sales at AMG Engineering, which were offset by lower sales at AMG Antimony. Adjusted EBITDA during Q1 '26 was $19 million compared to the $39 million in Q1 '25.
The segment's adjusted EBITDA in the prior period was particularly strong due to high profitability in AMG Antimony, and this quarter-on-quarter drop was offset in Q1 '26 by very strong results from AMG Engineering. Page 10 of the presentation shows our main income statement items.
The key change on this page is regarding our tax expense, which was $4 million for Q1 '26, up from $1 million in the same period last year. The increase is largely attributable to an improvement in operating results, partially offset by a deferred tax benefit in Brazil, which resulted from the appreciation of the Brazilian real.
Page 11 of the presentation shows our cash flow metrics. The drop in operating cash flow was driven by increased investment into working capital, as both volumes and prices increased in all three of our divisions.
We end the quarter with $581 million of net debt. As of March 31, 2026, we had $203 million in cash and cash equivalents, and $200 million available on our revolving credit facility.
The resulting $403 million of our total liquidity demonstrates that our balance sheet is in good shape, and crucially, we have no significant near-term debt maturities. The $127 million dollars in proceeds from last month's placement of 3.3 million newly issued ordinary shares were fur- will further strengthen our balance sheet.
That concludes my remarks. Dr.
Schimmelbusch."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Thank
Heinz Schimmelbusch
you, Jackson. Prices for many of our materials bounced in early 20-- 2026, and the backlog in our engineering business continues to historic un- to stay at high levels.
However, as we noted last quarter, given the lag of the price effect on our profitability, we expect this tailwind to support our adjusted EBITDA in Q2 '26. We expect Q2 '26 to approach the level achieved in Q2 '25, aided by tantalum prices peaking and the very favorable phasing of shipments in AMG Lithium.
Despite significantly increased geopolitical headwinds and hence reduced visibility, we reiterate our adjusted EBITDA range for $210 to $240 million for the full year of '26. Operator, we would now open the line for questions."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"At
Operator
this time, we will conduct the question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad, and you'll be placed into the queue in the order received.
You may remove yourself from the queue at any time by pressing pound and one. Once again, to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad now.
Our first question comes from Stijn Demeester with ING. Your line is open."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yeah.
Stijn Demeester
Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.
I have a a couple of them and I will ask them one by one if that's okay. The first one is on AMG Lithium.
Can you help us with the amount of spodumene volumes that were shifted from Q1 to Q2 in Brazil due to the shipping delays? Can you also update us on the operational issues in Mibra and the target capacity for the full year as well as with the ramp-up over the coming quarters?
That's the first question."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yeah,
Michael Connor
we had about 12,000 tons that were on the water that we normally would have expected to arrive in the first quarter, which are now arriving in the second quarter. Obviously, that's that's a big volume shift from Q1 to Q2, so that will impact profitability.
We tried to One of the reasons we gave the additional guidance on the on the second quarter earnings relative to the first quarter. In regards to the expansion, the the expansion is on track for what we guided to previously, which is that we expect to be able to produce at 130,000-ton capacity by the end of the year."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Okay,
Stijn Demeester
understood. If you If you missed out on 12,000 tons, it means that today, you're already at around 100 to 110,000-ton capacity again?"}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Correct."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yeah.
Okay. The next question is on Bitterfeld.
In the press release, you mentioned revenue from unqualified battery-grade lithium hydroxide. It seems to have had a revenue contribution, but not a EBITDA contribution.
Is that correct?"} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yeah.
Michael Connor
You can see in the EBITDA bridge that there was a positive impact regarding the impact of lithium prices on those sales. You can see the number there, but we did not include that with our EBITDA.
It was a positive write-up of inventory due to improvement in lithium prices related to LCMs that we took last year for Bitterfeld due to the drop in prices in prior year."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"But
Jackson Dunckel
Stijn
Stijn Demeester
But Stijn,
Jackson Dunckel
accounting dictates Stijn, accounting dictates that we include the sales in our results, but we have excluded the EBITDA, which we're allowed to do."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yeah,
Stijn Demeester
but the 21 million write-up is not entirely due to these volumes?"} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"The
Jackson Dunckel
No, we sold about 20 It's, unfortunately, the exact same number. We sold about $21 million of revenue from Bitterfeld in Q1."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Okay,
Stijn Demeester
understood. Then related to Bitterfeld, yeah, but can you update us on the on the several qualification processes that are currently ongoing?
Because in most of your businesses, you have a guaranteed offtaker, for example, Glencore for vanadium, etc. This doesn't seem the case for Bitterfeld.
How how certain are you that you can sell those volumes, I assume in the second half when when when the when the when the facility ramps up?"} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Um
Michael Connor
we we are qualifying with several customers. We're highly confident in our ability to sell the material at both the the qualification will occur at different times for different customers, but we're continuing to move those along on schedule and are confident in our ability to place the material."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Okay.
Stijn Demeester
Okay. Any any sort of quantum that you can commit to for the second half, since you're already selling right now?"}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Well,
Heinz Schimmelbusch
it's the nature of the qualification process that that shouldn't be done."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"You
Michael Connor
know, we'll be producing in-spec material at full capacity by the end of the year."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Okay,
Stijn Demeester
understood. Then last one from my end, and I will put myself in the queue because I have some others.
On vanadium, do you see an impact of the conflict on the supply of spent catalysts? If so, is there any adverse impact on second half EBITDA?
Or are you sufficiently supplied from the North America suppliers today?"} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yeah,
Michael Connor
a majority of our feed comes from North America. We do have a certain amount of supply in the Middle East and and other places internationally.
Shipping globally, obviously, has been impacted. We do not see an impact right now on second quarter earnings.
We're running at full capacity today. We can't guarantee that there won't be interruptions later in the year, but as I said, a majority of our feed does come from North America, we're we're well positioned in that regard."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Okay.
Stijn Demeester
It means that the supply issues in North America are largely resolved today?"} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yes."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Okay. Thanks.
That's for me, and if there is more, I will put myself back in the queue."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Thanks."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Your
Operator
next question comes from Michael Kuhn with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Good
Michael Kuhn
morning. Thanks for taking my question.
I'll also ask them one by one. Starting with cash generation, understood that there were some shipping delays in the quarter and, obviously, working capital built up.
Still, I think '26 was meant to be a year of better cash generation. Does that still hold true?
When would you expect, let's say, working capital effects to normalize, and and then ideally cash generation to improve?"} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yeah,
Jackson Dunckel
Q1 is al- always seasonally low for cash generation. It was exacerbated by the very high volumes we produced across all three of our divisions and the increasing prices.
You can see in our cash flow statement that working capital cost us roughly $68 million in the first quarter. We would expect that to largely be resolved given that prices have flattened now and volumes have ramped, such that we should be generating cash Q2, Q3, with a much larger percentage in Q4."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"That's
Michael Kuhn
reassuring. Thank you.
Then, on Engineering, you mentioned the the order intake and and the book-to-bill in the release. If I do the math, I end up with close to $90 million of sales in the first quarter, which I think is unusually high and and above the run rate we have seen over over recent years.
Is that a sustainable level, or should we expect some kind of normalization over the the upcoming quarters?"} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Uh
Jackson Dunckel
that is more or less a sustainable level. This is the result of a full backlog that we're working through in 2026."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"So,
Michael Kuhn
okay. Sustainable in in '26, but but not necessarily in in in in in the years beyond?
Or or is the, let's say, the the client demand continuously high also in terms of of, let's say, orders that you would expect?"} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Our
Jackson Dunckel
inbound order intake has been extremely strong."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"And our the
Heinz Schimmelbusch
the basic fundamentals of the engineering business is exceptionally strong compared to some periods in the past, and it's an aerospace-related upswing, and we believe that to stay, obviously."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yeah,
Michael Connor
we we wouldn't consider today's operating results abnormal from a a long-term operating perspective."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Okay,
Michael Kuhn
understood. Maybe one more on on on on antimony.
Although it has come down in terms of results contribution, I think it's still a a bigger this business than it used to be. I think you were always trying to to get a decent premium versus, let's say, the the Chinese prices.
How is the situation evolving here? How do those premiums look like, and and what should we expect in terms of results contribution from from that business going forward?"}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"It
Heinz Schimmelbusch
is very difficult to predict. However, we believe that the spike after reversal of the spike has settled on a higher margin level related to additi- additional demand drivers for antimony in the solar industry."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"And that and
Michael Connor
that can be seen in a couple ways, Michael. The The price outside of China inside China have stabilized and and equalized.
I think that's an important factor to look at when thinking about shipping restrictions, etc. They've stabilized at a higher price because of the increased demand domestically in China related to new applications.
We believe that is a a sustainable trend."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Understood.
Michael Kuhn
Thank you."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Once again, if you would like to ask a question at this time, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad.
Operator
Our next question comes from Frank Claassen with Degroof Petercam. Your line is open."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yes,
Frank Claassen
good morning, all. Most of my questions have already been asked, but one question left maybe on on the equity issue you've done.
Should we read into that that that for next year, CapEx levels will go up again? Maybe could yeah, could you elaborate what are the biggest pockets you think you're going to spend, let's say, the the raised money on?
Could you elaborate on that? Thank you."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Uh
Jackson Dunckel
yes. Broadly, CapEx will increase in 2027.
Again, the three main projects will be our lithium carbonate project, our high-purity molybdenum project, and our sorry, yeah. Oh, and of course, SARBV.
However, SARBV will likely be front-loaded in 2026. That's included in the $70 to $90 million estimate that we have.
Hopefully, that helps you, but CapEx will be, slightly higher in 2027 than it was in '26."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"I
Michael Connor
think one important note there is that we will have continued strengthened operating cash flows as a result of of the other investments that we've made coming online to help fund those those investments in addition to that the equity raise. We feel pretty comfortable with the relative cash flow generation overall of the company moving forward."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Okay.
Frank Claassen
That helps. Thanks.
Thanks."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Your
Operator
next question comes from Usama Tariq with ABN AMRO. Your line is open."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Hi.
Usama Tariq
Good morning, team. Thank you for the opportunity.
I have a few set of questions, I will go one by one. Firstly, on AMG Vanadium, the sales and EBITDA of vanadium was solid despite some disruption from the Middle East.
Can we assume going forward that the vanadium is back to normal operation and can fully benefit from the increase in ferrovanadium prices going forward? That would be my first question.
It's more generalistic in nature, I would say."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Uh
Michael Connor
yeah, the answer I I think we covered a little a little bit earlier, but to to expand on it, yes, we're running at full capacity right now. We will see the benefits of the higher pricing in the second quarter.
The pricing is tailed off a little bit towards the last few weeks, so that will, impact later quarters in the year, but we've we've given some guidance in the second quarter that takes into account those full volumes and higher pricing."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Thank
Usama Tariq
you so very much. Thank you.
I'll move to the second question if I may. That will be on lithium.
You did mention that some of the unqualified lithium hydroxide has been sold, assuming, for instance, for the traders. Can you help us understand the impact of such sales in Q1?
Secondly, do you expect to this to occur into the future given the quali- qualification is is not yet completed?"} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yeah,
Michael Connor
I think Jackson quoted $20 million approximately for revenues in the first quarter for Bitterfeld. That number will continue to increase throughout the year as production reaches full commercial level."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Okay."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Thank
Usama Tariq
you. That would be just one more question if I may, then I'll go back into the queue.
That would be on Technologies. Profitability was higher than expected.
If you analyze the Q1 and deduct the 30 million in EBITDA from Engineering, it suggests that the antimony business is, despite the 30% decline in price, generating annualized EBITDA of 45 million. Do I understand correctly from the previous questions that do you you see this as as as more of a normal going forward?
Or do you still think this is a little bit more optimistic?"} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Well,
Jackson Dunckel
I think, as Mike said, we expect antimony profitability to remain where it is. In terms of how you got to your numbers, I think we'd like to take that offline with you."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Okay.
Usama Tariq
Thank you. Thank you.
That would be all. I'll go back into the queue.
Thank you."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Your
Operator
next question is a follow-up from Stijn Demeester with ING. Your line is open."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Hello,
Michael Connor
Stijn? Stijn?"}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"You-
Operator
Your line is open, sir."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"He's on another call."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"He's probably muted."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"So-
Stijn Demeester
Sorry. Sorry, I was I was on mute.
Apologies. My my follow-up is on Aura.
Can you help us understand the quantum of the contribution of of this acquisition in the Q1 EBITDA? What kind of EBITDA should we be looking at for the full year from this?
A bit of guidance maybe on capacities in molybdenum and tungsten would help. Thank you."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yeah,
Michael Connor
the Aura acquisition, the the big plus and benefit of it is as a platform for for further expansion, as we described previously. It's It's going to be the platform for high-purity molybdenum production in the future, and that's an investment for us over the the coming months.
The contributions today are not hugely significant, but they did have a a a decent impact on the first quarter, but relatively small, single digits."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"And
Stijn Demeester
what kind of volumes are you currently generating?"} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yeah,
Michael Connor
we we don't disclose the volumes. It's It's a little complex in as far as the the production, but it's it's small level today."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Okay,
Stijn Demeester
understood. Thank you.
That's it for me."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Your
Operator
next question is a follow-up from Usama Tariq with ABN AMRO. Your line is open."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Hi.
Usama Tariq
Thank you. Just one or two follow-up questions.
You mentioned that you've received R&D tax credits in Germany. I'm sorry if I missed it out.
Would you be able to quantify the magnitude of it? Was it low single-digit, or mid single-digit, anything on that?"}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"It
Jackson Dunckel
is 20% of the total expenditure, which we have set as $50 million.
Usama Tariq
Okay.
Michael Connor
No, no, no. Sorry.
The the tax credit Oh, the
Jackson Dunckel
Oh sorry, the tax credit, not the
Michael Connor
low single digits, and please note that that is not included in EBITDA because it's for Bitterfeld. That's Our EBITDA was not positively impacted by that number."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Okay."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Thank
Usama Tariq
you. That will be all from me.
Thank you."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Thank
Michael Connor
you."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Your
Operator
next question comes from Maarten den Drijver with WTE [Ideas?] .
Your line is open."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Good
Maarten Verbeek
morning. It's Maarten den Drijver of WTE [Ideas?]
. Firstly, you guide that your adjusted EBITDA of the second quarter will virtually match last year's.
Could you more or less indicate what kind of profits of antimony you have to compensate to arrive at that level? Would it be some 25 million?
Is it a fair assumption?"} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"No,
Michael Connor
we're not we haven't given any guidance on antimony profitability up or down. We we can't really bridge you.
I will say that the that the, approaching last year's profitability will be largely driven by lithium and vanadium prices. Those are the two key items.
In terms of bridging the antimony gap, that's not really in our mind."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Okay.
Maarten Verbeek
Secondly, when presenting the full-year results, you mentioned that the guidance to You you've guided to between 200 and $10 and $240 million. The current price levels of the key products would indicate at the upper end.
According to me, those have all edged up even a bit further. What has hold you back to to even sharpen your outlook guidance for the year?"}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"We
Heinz Schimmelbusch
have scenario plannings routinely updated and they come to the conclusion of that range. We are assuming that you when you read that range think that we are conservative and so you probably you tend towards the upper number of that range."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"And
Michael Connor
Maarten, I I mean there's certainly a good amount of geopolitical uncertainty in the world today which, limits visibility for the latter part of the year. Additionally, you noted prices have crept up, but that's not true across the entire portfolio.
If you look at vanadium and tantalum, for example, in recent weeks have have trended downward, vanadium in the United States particularly. The it is a little bit of a mixed bag.
Lithium continues to strengthen, obviously, but as Heinz said, we run multiple scenarios with multiple price environments and and are confident in our current guidance."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"But don't
Heinz Schimmelbusch
don't see that tantalum is downward trend. It's from a very high level to a less high level, which is an upward trend corrected to a less upward trend.
It's interesting to note that in March the tantalum price was $200 or higher. In such a constellation, you get our lithium thing for free.
Because the breakeven price for lithium at the constellation of 200 tantalum is zero."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Thanks
Maarten Verbeek
very much."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Which
Heinz Schimmelbusch
means that we are the lower lowest cost mine on a diverse scale."} ,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"At
Operator
this time, it appears we have no further questions. I would like to turn the program back to Thomas Swoboda for closing remarks."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Yes,
Thomas Swoboda
thank you very much for for your interest and and all the questions. I'm sorry if we couldn't take all the follow-ups.
We are heading to our AGM today, and we will be very busy being on the road, hopefully, we can catch up with you in person soon. Morgan, thank you very much."}
,{"source":"audio","type":"voice","user_input":"Thank you. This does conclude today's AMG First Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call.
Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect and have a wonderful rest of your day."}]}
Operator
Thank you. This does conclude today's AMG First Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call.
Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect and have a wonderful rest of your day.
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