Operator
Hello, and welcome to the Agfa Q3 2025 results conference call, hosted by Pascal Juéry, CEO, and Fiona Lam, CFO. Please note this conference is being recorded, and that for the duration of the call, your lines will be on listen-only.
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Thank you.
Pascal Juéry
Good morning, everyone, and thank you for attending our call. I'm sitting here in Mortsel with indeed Fiona Lam and Viviane Dictus for investor relations and some of the executive team.
What are the headlines of Q3? Bon, first, a very difficult situation for medical film with a very strong decrease that calls for more cost actions from our side, which we are taking and I will explain in more details, but that's the main highlight for the results of this quarter.
Point number two, HealthCare IT, actually the good news is we are seeing an accelerated shift to the cloud and to a SaaS business model. The flip side is it's impacting our short-term results, and I will explain why and how this is the case, but overall this is good news because in doing so we continue to see a very good dynamic of order intake and mainly we are able to win net new customers in HealthCare IT.
Three, DPC is, I would say, slightly above last year overall. Here, I would say, a rather steady performance in a market backdrop that is not fully favorable.
Pleased will be with the cash flow performance of the group in Q3, and it's not only the Agfa-Photo. It's also due to the fact that we are managing working capital and other cash components in a very efficient way, I would say.
These are really the highlights of the performance of the group. Now, if I turn into more details, you see that the impact of the medical film and also HealthCare IT with this rapid switch to a SaaS business model, the impact on the top line is quite significant, minus 4.7% at equal currency.
The only business delivering top-line growth is Digital Printing, but I would say the top-line growth is subdued and actually more price-driven than volume-driven today, and mainly in the industrial film area rather than with the growth engines. A very good cost control overall in this context, however, not enough to make up for the impact of the film decrease.
Positive cash flow, 21 million in the quarter. It's, as I said, of course due to the Agfa-Photo settlement, but not only.
We are also very diligent in our working capital management, and that provides also significant benefits. If you look at the cash flow performance after 9 months, you can see a very significant improvement versus last year.
Now, a little bit more details on each of the business. HealthCare IT, here, we had the first 6 months where we had quite a significant number of traditional, I would say, business, and that reflected on a quite strong performance on the P&L delivery.
Q3 and probably Q4, it's a very different story because the share of SaaS contracts in order intake is increasing significantly, and it means that the project order book is decreasing while the recurring order book is increasing very much. It has a short-term impact of the transition that I will try to explain later in the presentation on very practical terms.
The good news is that our 12 months rolling order intake is increasing again, actually plus 6%, and we're expecting, by the way, this trend to continue and amplify during Q4 and will end up the year with double-digit increase. The top-line decrease is clearly due to this revenue model change, while at the same time our recurring revenue is growing by 5% including currency, that also is a good way to illustrate the underlying transition.
Currency is important for HealthCare IT because, as you would remember, about 2/3 of our business are in North America and therefore dollar-denominated, it's a translation impact here that we are seeing. Therefore it translated to a weaker EBITDA for the quarter.
DPC, as I said, step up in revenue, profitability slightly up, but we are operating in difficult market conditions, to be fair. The 5% top-line growth is mainly driven by specialty films, the reason being actually it reflects the price increase we have achieved following the especially silver price increase.
However, the performances of Green Hydrogen Solutions and Digital Printing Solutions are more influenced by softer market conditions. In Zirfon, we see very little growth over last year.
We continue to make progress in terms of productivity, and especially it will be even more the case with our new plant. In DPS, we are operating in a more difficult market context actually, especially in North America for equipment, where we have seen a significant slowdown.
These two businesses are, I would say, more impacted by the current market conditions. Radiology is where we see the most significant decline.
Our revenue is declining by 20%. Actually, what happens is the China market is disappearing quite fast.
Today, this market that used to represent about 45% of our total volume has been divided by 3 in the course of 2 years, and the trend will continue until a fast disappearance of the market that might be as fast as the end of '26. Actually what we are seeing here, it's a bit of a race between taking the corresponding costs out of the business and the market decline.
For the time being, we are behind because it's not possible in the current social agreement to, I would say, go as fast as we need. What we're doing is, I will detail actually in the next slide what are we doing to face the situation.
First, we had a 3-year program and a 50 million cost decrease program. Actually, we are bringing it forward, meaning we are accelerating the program.
Things that we planned to do in '26 actually we start doing in Q4 '25, and we are going to try and condense the program in a shorter time frame in order to have the maximum impact in '26. Not only that, we are launching an additional program of 25 million related also to manufacturing activities, it means we are expanding the current 50 million program for manufacturing, but we're also touching a new area.
We are going to adjust our go-to-market for film, and that will also be a significant cost-out program indeed that is actually ready to go. We are starting the discussion with our social partners, and we will start implementing as soon as we can.
We have also implemented some short-term cost-saving measures across the group for which the benefit will mainly be seen in Q4 to make sure that we mitigate the current results group. We have also launched an initiative to rightsize the overall group organization.
I cannot communicate any details for the time being with you, but we are actively working on resetting the group cost base to the right level and the new situation that we are seeing in the film. Last but not least, as already communicated, we are working on the potential redevelopment of part of the site in Mortsel.
We have actually started a discussion to have a brownfield covenant. As we have a campus in Mortsel that is probably quite oversized for our needs, and we're trying to look at the possibility to monetize part of it.
We are not staying idle in view of the current situation that we are seeing in film. We're addressing this head-first, and we already have a lot of programs in place, but we are also working on more in order to secure the profitability of the company.
Now, if I turn to numbers, which is, by the way, not currency-corrected here, you see the strong impact of the decrease of the Radiology business here, 20%. You see also the decrease in the HealthCare IT top line, but here, again, we are winning share, but the transition to cloud means our bottom line is impacted.
The growth in DPC, slight growth in DPC, and you see on the right-hand side the corresponding effect on our bottom line: less top line for HealthCare IT is translating also to less bottom line, stability plus for DPC, and our Radiology results that are still very negative, hence the actions that we are taking. We show this slide with our mature businesses and our growth engines, I would say what we are seeing here for the first time is we have a negative performance of the growth engines mainly due in fact to HealthCare IT and the situation that I explained.
For the first time in many quarters, actually we have a bit of a setback in terms of this growth engine businesses. Again, I insist, it's not the case that we are losing share.
Actually, absolutely not. We're doing extremely well in HealthCare IT.
Most of what you see here is the impact of this cloud transition that I'm going to detail in a few numbers for you. I'm going to turn now to Fiona to walk you through more numbers.
Fiona.
Fiona Lam
Thank you, Pascal. Like Pascal already said, Q3 adjusted EBITDA ended at 5 million, which is 10 million down versus last year.
You see also the exact numbers coming from the bridge, which was decline in medical film and gross profit, all in Radiology, has a negative impact of 7 million. Also temporary impact of HealthCare IT due to cloud and SaaS transition, so that also in Q3 has a 4 million lower gross profit.
Unfortunately, there's also unfavorable exchange rate impact, you see also exchange rate unfavorable impact of 2 million. Good part of the cost control, like Pascal earlier also mentioned, we control the cost pretty well, and there you see offsetting part of these downsides from the market.
That led to 10 million lower adjusted EBITDA in Q3. Yes.
On the other hand, we look at free cash flow of Q3, which is a positive of 21 million despite a low adjusted EBITDA of 5 million. That, of course, has been helped largely by the Agfa-Photo income, which is in Q3.
On the other hand, we also have working capital improvements, this is worth to see also Q3 working capital improved by 16 million. You will later on also see the working capital improvements significantly contributing to the group's free cash flow in the first 9 months as well.
Capex is slightly higher than last year, as you know we have still the investments which were paid in Q3. Provision and others are seasonalities.
You will not see any increase or decrease too much. It's relatively stable if you look at the 9 months.
This is just quarterly seasonality. The rest is quite stable, like pension and restructuring, etc., is quite stable compared to last.
Next slide related to the debt evolution. You see Q3 we reduced the net financial debt exclude IFRS 16 by 20 million with the cash-in of Agfa-Photo.
The rest of the debts, also the pension debt, slightly decreased in line with expectations. If you look at the syndicated loan, we draw off 119 million versus the total facility of 180 million.
It has been quite roughly stable on syndicated loan we draw. Applicable covenant test for Q3 is the minimum liquidity of 30 million.
There we have in Q3 2025 126 million on the minimum liquidity. The rest of the covenants are only for reference, we also share with you the reference for the ratios, but they are not applicable for testing until the year-end, which is the leverage ratio, the interest coverage ratio, and adjusted EBITDA exclude IFRS 16.
These are the ratio for your reference. Next slide is a bit more on the numbers, which you can see now the P&L.
Q3, the growth was minus 7%, but year to date is minus 4%. That has been helped by the first half year strong HealthCare IT, but Q3, like we just said, the cloud transition is very, very evident, visible, and therefore we also see HealthCare IT did not grow in Q3.
The full year until first 9 months is minus 4%. Gross profits slightly decreased because of the mix, as we have the industrial film are the main growth areas in this year.
Then plus the first half year of HealthCare IT, but of course because of the film and the loading and the mix of gross growth, you see slight drop of gross profit percentage. What is good that you also see the first 9 months operating expenses with the top line reduced, the good cost control has delivered and maintained the percentage at 30% even with lower top line.
That led to year to date adjusted EBITDA of 19 million versus last year. If we look at next slide, which shows the net results, thanks to the help of basically Agfa-Photo both on 38 million in adjusted and restructuring expenses booked and also the interest income in net finance costs which lowers it, you see a net results for the period of 20 million improvement compared to last year for the first 9 months.
Also have a look at the free cash flow in first 9 months. Despite our adjusted EBITDA has been lower for the first 9 months by 19 million, you clearly see here we improve the free cash flow for the first 9 months by 72 million, even though it's still minus 9, negative, but this improvement is enormous.
It's not only because of Agfa-Photo 38 million cash-in in this free cash flow, but it also has 51 million improvement in net working capital in the first 9 months. Part of that, of course, in a net working capital improvement you can anticipate because you are doing lower volumes and lower turnovers.
On the other hand, a part of that is also really structural improvements because we also see between 2% to 3% improvements to sales on the net working capital, primarily driven by inventory controls, etc. We also, compared to last year, on the first 9 months we spend less on capex.
Therefore, you see in total 72 million step-up, and this is quite important, of course, contribution to our free cash flow position so far.
Pascal Juéry
Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot, Fiona.
Let's go also very quickly to HealthCare IT to to the details of of the business. Bon, kind of repeating myself, but but here what you see for Q3 is 70% of the order intake is in recurring part, and 40% is in cloud deals.
By cloud deals, we mean SaaS deals, okay? The difference, the 30%, is some some deals that are also recurring that can be cloud but not SaaS, that could be managed services.
You see that this is a shift that is extremely significant. The good news is 70% of this order intake is done with net new customers, it's it's a very good sign.
It means we are winning share here, and we are winning contracts against the leaders of the industry. We are leading we are today winning contracts competing with the likes of Sectra, for instance.
We are exactly on a par, I would say. Last 12 months rolling order intake is plus 6%.
As it's pretty lumpy. Last year, we had a very high Q2.
This year, we believe we're going to have also a very good Q4, we believe we're going to end up the year with mid- to high teens in terms of progress for order intake. As you know very well, this is the leading indicator for us that describes our ability to win businesses.
What we are seeing today is a faster transition to the cloud, and probably a bit faster than what we originally thought in the in the past quarters. Today, I would describe it in this way: all North American discussion, more or less, is a cloud contract.
There is not anymore any possibility of project contracts. We thought the mix would still be a bit different, a few months ago, but this is a market reality, and the good news is we are able to take new contracts in this context.
Now, we added a slide to show you what is the impact of a transition to the cloud, okay? You see here on the top part of the slide the traditional project revenue profile.
When we take a 10 million contract, we have a 10 million revenue on the year, we invoice 10 million with the corresponding gross margin, which for us is about 50%, as and then we have a recurring maintenance and some managed services. You see it's it's quite it's about 20% to 30% of the amount of the total contracts.
Now, take exactly the same contracts and get it in the cloud. You are not invoicing the first year 10, you're invoicing you're invoicing 4.
That's that's a 60% decrease in top line, okay? That's a 60% decrease.
Then what you are seeing over actually the course of the year here we rounded the numbers, it's actually an increase year-on-year, a small increase that is not showing here for rounding purpose, but that that that we are invoicing year after year. The contract is definitely richer in cloud.
This is a longer-term contract, typically traditional project is selling the license and has probably 3-year contract for maintenance that can be renewed. Here in cloud, we're talking 5- to 12-years contract actually, that could be as long as yeah, double-digit in terms of years.
Of course, stable and recurring revenue streams, switching customers switching is more difficult for customers, of course, and we have profitability uplift driven by the strong operating leverage, meaning meaning we can make more money over time. However, when you look at the two models, it takes 5 years to break even.
When we are entering in such a transition, the short-term impact is quite significant on the top line, but also on the bottom line for the first years. This is what we are seeing.
We are not seeing also the 60% decrease in top line overall for the group, as you've seen, it was minus 13% because it applies only to the non-recurring part of our of our business, but it is still a very significant impact. What we are seeing today, as I said, is actually more and more SaaS contracts coming our way.
Good news is we are winning these contracts, but it has an impact short term on the P&L. I wanted to to be clear about that.
Again, nothing is broken in this market. On the contrary, we are well-positioned to grab these SaaS contracts, but it has a short-term impact.
Now, if you look at the numbers, you see minus 13% in in in Q3 in terms of top line, and of course it has an impact on the bottom line due to this mix of contracts. This is the same slide with the P&L.
To be noted, after 9 months we're still above last year. We had the year where the first half of the year we have more project businesses and the second half we'll have mainly SaaS and cloud contracts, and this is the reason of the difference the difference between the two halves.
Q4 will still be by far the strongest quarter of the year, of course, as is as it is usually the case. Now, if I turn to DPC, DPS first.
DPS is a business that was growing about 12% earlier the past couple of years, and this year it's not the same performance. Mainly what we're seeing is a North American market equipment market that is very subdued.
A lot of our customers in the US have been delaying their decision their investment decision. This is due to the uncertainty in the economic policy with the change that happened at the beginning of the year.
Although we are a little bit more optimistic for the end of the year, it's definitely it has impacted, I would say, the the the business, and therefore for for this business in an adverse market environment, we believe we're going to be slightly below last year, best best performance would be to be almost on a par. Inks sales have grow have grown have slowed as well in such environment, but has not disappeared.
Nothing is broken here in this market. We are hitting, let's say, a short-term difficulty, but our strategy growth strategic growth initiatives around packaging are going on.
Here again, the packaging market in where we want to operate is actually in recession today. It's negative growth, which probably slows down the introduction of our solutions, but it's it's really a temporary situation, and we remain extremely confident with our growth initiatives going forward.
Zirfon, actually very different situation in Europe and outside Europe. Today, Europe is stalling a bit in terms of in doing the transition to green hydrogen, and we have not a lot of projects in Europe compared to the original ambition of the Commission.
However, Middle East, Africa, and especially Asia are showing great momentum in green hydrogen, and this is where we have redeployed our efforts. Actually the two main countries where we are applying our efforts today are China and India, with some success.
Already in India, and we believe that in China we will be also able to, let's say, break the market for Zirfon due to the sheer quality of our membrane. Apart from that, as we have inaugurated our new unit for the membrane, and we are meeting today all the conditions to receive the subsidy of the European Commission of the European Commission that hopefully we will get before year-end.
We're already using the new plant. It's already providing some more productivity improvement, and Zirfon this year, even if it's the growth will be quite subdued, actually we continue to increase our margins through these productivity improvements.
That's for Zirfon. Now in numbers, as you can see, DPS before Q4 in negative growth territory overall.
We still expect Q4 to be a very strong quarter, as usual. For Zirfon, actually some growth, but probably not at the level that we were expecting, and the growth in the film part is mainly price-related.
In numbers, good stability of DPC. We probably were expecting further growth in DPS that we're not seeing this year, but again, nothing is broken in this business.
Radiology, bon, medical film, this is, of course, the negative story of the now already more than a year, and especially in China, and the rate of decrease of the market is probably higher than what we were expecting from our experience, of what we have been through already in Europe and North America. Market will probably disappear quite quickly, meaning that we are taking action to further restructure, I would say, our cost base and and also address our go-to-market.
DR, a very specific situation this year because for the first time in many, many years, I think for the first time ever, the market environment is very negative, 7% decrease of the market for the first 6 months of the year, and we are directly impacted by that. We used to grow DR, we would say, high single digit.
This year, in a negative 7% market, we are in negative territory also for DR, which came also a bit as a surprise. We are reviewing our geographic footprint, as I speak, to make sure we are really investing in the right market geographic markets for for us, as well as reviewing our product supply strategy in order to continue our drive for DR.
That's you see still in the numbers, needless to say, this negative EBITDA situation is what responds to us to accelerate and extend our cost-cutting programs. This is the this is the P&L, as you see.
We are evacuating costs, but of course not fast enough given the rate of the decrease. Now the outlook.
HealthCare IT, well, we believe the transition to cloud will continue and will probably continue to accelerate in terms of SaaS contracts, it will impact temporarily our financial performance, and therefore we are changing a bit our outlook in this context, saying that we we expect now to be slightly below last year. Again, the the good order intake momentum continues, and the fact that we are gaining customers is giving us a lot of confidence going forward.
It's it's a normal situation of a transition, and it goes a little bit faster than expected, but we are well-positioned to take advantage of it. Again, in in the total number of suppliers in the market for HealthCare IT, actually they are part of the happy few who are ready to be able to grab this to grab market with this transition.
DPC, moderate top-line growth, slight profitability growth expected for the year in spite of the soft market conditions, a bit of a bit of less growth story for DPS and Zirfon, but still holding our own in this condition. Radiology, I think already discussed it.
A word on Aurelius settlement, there is some news here. We have we have actually received a draft report from the expert.
Actually, things are moving, and the draft report, I would say, is very close to our expectations. We have now we should have by year-end the a final report after the parties can also give some inputs, and therefore, for the first time, I have something very tangible to report, and we should expect in Q1 a resolution, in Q1 '26 a resolution of the Aurelius story.
For the year, we still believe, and we have not taken into account, of course, this settlement, we still expect slightly negative net cash flow. That's that's probably where I'm going to stop for your questions.
I will take questions from the analysts and from the press. Operator.
Operator
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The first question today comes from the line of Guy Sips from KBC Securities. Please go ahead.
Guy Sips
Yes, sir. Thank you.
Three questions from my side. First question is on the packaging printing segment.
Can you indicate why the mid-segment is still performing quite good and, yeah, how it is separated between, let's say, bigger machines and the smaller ones? Can you also give us an indication on the number of Orcas you sold in the quarter and what your expectation is for the remaining of this year?
Thank you. That's the first one.
The second question is on your net debt situation and especially on the, let's say, the updated slide you gave on the pensions, which is, of course, very helpful for us, but now you can give a quarter-on-quarter position of your net pension debt while previously it was
Pascal Juéry
Hello? We lost you.
Operator
We seem to have lost connection with Guy Sips. The next question comes from the line of Laura Roba from Degroof Petercam.
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Laura Roba
Thank you. Good morning.
I have two to start. Regarding the cost-saving plan, the current plan is being accelerated, and did I understand correctly that you mentioned that what was supposed to happen in 2026 will take place in Q4?
That was the first one. Then the second one is on the short-term measures that are implemented across the group to help mitigate the current results.
Could you provide some example of that, please? Thank you.
Pascal Juéry
Of course. Thank you, Laura, for your questions.
Cost-saving plan, actually we're not going to do in Q4 '25 the full of '26, but we have brought forward a number of things. For instance, as an illustration, in terms of we had a schedule for people leaving the company, and actually we have added a lot more people leaving in Q4 '25.
The total plan we mentioned was about 470 people, and we have put forward about 100 people in Q4 '25. That's just to give you an example of how we are accelerating, but it doesn't mean that we do everything that we plan in '26 in Q4 '25.
We do as much as we can, actually. Regarding the short-term measures, well, I would say short-term measures are very diverse.
For instance, that's what I described regarding what we're doing to anticipate is part of it, but it's clear we are taking measure about discretionary expenses, travel, hiring, of course, which are the classical set of measures. We are also very careful to make sure we are exhausting, I would say, vacation and over time before year-end, and we have also taken some extra measures which are quite significant because we have actually put a significant number of people in temporary unemployment until, I would say, the end of the year.
That's some examples of the short-term measures that we are taking.
Laura Roba
Okay. Very clear.
Thank you.
Pascal Juéry
You're welcome.
Operator
We'll give the line back to Guy Sips from KBC Securities. Please go ahead.
Pascal Juéry
We got your first question, Guy, huh? The second question we didn't hear until the end.
Guy Sips
Okay. Yes, on the net financial debt and pension debt, now you give on a quarterly basis an indication of your net pension debt while previously it was only possible on a full-year basis, what has changed with the auditors in that regard?
Is it now expected that at year-end we will see smaller shifts on, let's say, compared to the 391 number? That's the second question.
The third question is related to Aurelius. Am I correct that you hinted that in your view that you expect now a solution or and a payment in the first quarter 2026 and perhaps even earlier?
Pascal Juéry
Let's start by net debt, and I'm going to give the floor to Fiona.
Fiona Lam
I think on the net debt question, Guy, there has been no changes of methodology. It has been always available in the balance sheet on a half-year, quarterly, year result release.
The only difference is I think at year-end there's actuarial calculation. This actuarial calculation is only happening at year-end, what you see in a quarter, every quarter, the evolution is actually the payout, the people who died, the update of the position of that.
Until year-end, we will also update the actuarial calculations, where the discount rate, the interest rate, and all those calculations will be done by the actuarial.
Pascal Juéry
Does it clarify it, Guy?
Guy Sips
Okay.
Pascal Juéry
I'm going to take the question on Aurelius. Aurelius, as I said, we have now a draft report and the expert has given of course some time for the two parties to make their comments.
The current timeline is we should get the final report after the expert takes the comments and decide what to do with it, to speak, and we expect a final report at the end of the year. Realistically, we say we should have a settlement in Q1 '26 given the time.
We have 6 weeks until the end of the year. I think for the positive news is two positive in this story: first, for the first time in more than a year, almost a year and a half, things have moved and we have now a practical report from the expert, and the second part is for the time being what we are seeing from the expert is according to our expectations.
Okay? The payment realistically, Q1.
On this? Now the packaging question.
Bon, on the packaging question, and I just want to rephrase if I got it well. For Orca, you're asking us specifically have we sold any split set.
The answer is, not yet, okay? The answer is, not yet.
We are going probably to sell our first split set in Q4 to our existing customer, but the contract is not signed, but should be signed, I would say, before year-end. Apart from that, no other Orca being sold, and this is, as I said, two reasons: first, the packaging and market today is not really favorable for customers to invest, and digital is probably a solution they are willing to implement when they have the opportunity to increase their capacity.
The sales cycle for such product is a bit long, of course, given the situation. On the packaging printing, you made a comment on packaging printing regarding low and mid-range.
That I'm not sure I understood fully the question.
Guy Sips
Am I correct that the mid-segment in the packaging printing is doing rather good compared to the, let's say, the small segments?
Pascal Juéry
Actually, we have no mid-segment in packaging, huh? The only thing we do in packaging is really Orca.
Maybe what you refer to is more our traditional sign and display business,
Guy Sips
Anapurna
Pascal Juéry
Vincent, can you comment? Mid-segment, low-segment, high-segment?
Vincent Wille
Indeed, in the sign and display segment, what is our traditional segment, and today 90% or so of our sales, in that part of the market, we have seen this year specifically that people are postponing investment decisions on the larger type of equipment. We certainly don't see a slowdown on the smaller and mid-sized equipment printers, but the larger-sized printers, our Tauro range, which is still very much appreciated technically, huh, but indeed people are taking less quickly or are postponing investment decisions.
We do hear that in the market from other players as well, it's not only an Agfa thing, it's really a market given, especially in North America actually for '25.
Pascal Juéry
Thank you, Vincent. Next questions?
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We seem to have no further questions, handing back to you, Mr. Juéry, for conclusion.
Pascal Juéry
Thanks a lot. Again, a quarter that shows first situation in film that we are addressing with all energy through cost measures, amplifying and accelerating our measures.
A transition to cloud for HealthCare IT that happens probably faster than we expected, but good news being we are on the winning side of this transition. Third, a DPC that will broadly deliver slight improvement in profitability, but where the adverse market conditions have somehow dampened our hope for more rapid growth, with the backdrop of very stringent cost management and cash management at the company level to ensure, of course, the company profitability.
Q4 will continue being the strongest quarter of the year, as it is, although this trend will also apply to Q4 for film and HealthCare IT. Thanks a lot for attending the call.
Thank you, and speak to you soon.
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