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Q3 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptOctober 21, 2026

Bent Oustad

Good morning, and welcome to Fabege's Q3 report 2026. My name is Bent Oustad, and I'm the CEO of the company, and together with me, I have Åsa Bergström, our CFO.

We are also so lucky to have Viktor Byrenius from Pareto together with us in the studio as a moderator for the questioners afterwards. With that, we kick off today's presentation.

I always start to repeat just a short glance over who Fabege are. We have a modern portfolio with focusing on Stockholm, and it's occupied by high-quality tenants.

We own, develop, and we also manage all the properties with focusing on creating attractive working places and a good living in superb locations in Stockholm. Our key strength that's always important for us is our customers.

We have a very high Consumer Satisfaction Index, and it's highlighted by strong track record in serving our customer needs. 95% of the tenants say they will recommend Fabege as a landlord, and that's important for us in the daily work we are doing all the day.

We also have the long-term lease contracts as the foundation, and I will get a little bit back to that later on in the presentation. We have our own employees across the entire value chain, and that also gives us further advantages.

While all the properties are also located in clusters, it gives us some economies of scales. We have the opportunity to create engaging meeting places, and by that, I mean more or less focusing on creating the 15-minute city in all our core areas.

We have excellent capabilities to deliver large and complex projects from start to finish. We have done that several times, and we will do it forward as well.

Right now, the larger projects are a little bit smaller or less than it used to be, but we have the projects in the portfolio. We also have strong capabilities, and we are best in class when it comes to ESG initiatives and environmental results that's also highlighted by our customers in different service.

If you just look at the Q3 numbers separately, not year-to-date figures, only the Q3 figures, the net letting ended at plus 55 million for the quarter. We are happy with that result, and the rental income increased by 2.3% from second quarter to third quarter.

The surplus ratio for the third quarter was 76%, and profit from our residential development ended at plus 33 million. Year-to-date, it's 112 million from the residential development.

Value changes from the property portfolio, Åsa will get back to that a little bit later, ended at 259 in the quarter, and the occupancy rate stayed at 87%. During the quarter, we also made some changes to the executive management team, and everything in accord with that is booked in our books and the P&L this quarter.

With that, Åsa, I hand it over to you.

Åsa Bergström

Thank you, Bent. To go through the P&L income statement, the rental income came in at 2.7 billion.

That's an increase of almost 4%. Divided into separate items, we had a negative rental growth in the identical portfolio of minus 1.2% relating to previous year's negative net letting.

On the other hand, we had a positive impact from projects that were finalized during last year and the beginning of this year, contributing with approximately 132 million Swedish crowns during this period. The net operating income, as Bent mentioned, from the residential development came in at 112 million, and the net operating income from property management at almost 2 billion, as you can see here in the P&L.

Central administration was in line with last year, 78 million, and the net interest expenses increased a little bit to 741 million, mainly due to higher Stibor during the year. Ground rents in line with previous years, and the share in associated companies also decreased to minus 82 million, of which 74 million, minus 74 million, is related to Arenabolaget and roughly 9 million relating to a transaction of residential building rights within Birger Bostad.

Thus, we saw in total profit from property management of 1.166 billion, up around 11% in comparison to previous years. As Bent also mentioned, we see unrealized value changes of a total of 120 during the year.

We have had now two quarters of positive valuation uplifts, and also this quarter we saw a value uplift in the derivatives portfolio relating to increases in long-term interest rates. A profit before tax of 1.4 billion.

The tax came in at minus 225 million, also impacted by some positive items relating to a transaction previously in the year and also the valuation of some carryforward losses that we could recognize after a court ruling previous this year. In total, 1.2 billion.

This quarter, we have valued roughly 45% of the property portfolio externally with the appraisers, Newsec and Cushman & Wakefield. As Bent mentioned then, a value change in the quarter of 259 million.

We saw the yield coming down to 4.55, a decrease of 4 basis points since year-end. If we look at how it's divided between the different market areas, we can see that City provided 500 million plus during this nine months, while Solna and Hammarby are still on the minus side, residential also a little bit on the positive side.

In total, we have invested 1.5 billion almost in the management portfolio together with projects and also development properties, which are the residential development within Birger Bostad. A few comments to the key ratios: equity per share, 121, and the EPRA NRV, 147 crowns per share.

Positive return on the property portfolio, of course, since we now have also recognized positive value changes. The surplus ratio in line with last year.

Also equity ratio and loan-to-value in line with previous year. The debt ratio improved to 12.8 in line with our long-term target, and also we could see the interest coverage ratio increased to 2.7, good signs.

On the financing side, it's continued to be a very good market. We have very good access to financing from both the capital market and from our banks.

We have refinanced everything that is up for refinancing this year, and we have initiated also next year's refinancing with banks. There's been some volatility on the capital market when it comes to margins, but we took a very good opportunity in August to make some new bond issues where we came out with a five-year bond, 600 million at a margin of 103 basis points.

This would be somewhat higher in today's environment, but a very good opportunity for us. We have also entered some new swaps.

During the second quarter, we entered some plain vanilla swaps of 1.9 billion, five-year swaps. Now after the summer, we have done some of the new callable interest rate swaps, 1.5 billion at levels below 2%, which provides us as long as they remain with a positive cash flow as it looks now.

We are happy with the undrawn credit facilities of 6 billion, which gives us safety, and we feel very secure that we will refinance everything that comes up in the near future. A very stable financial position.

Then when it comes to interest rate swaps, we have seen an uplift in the average interest cost of 2.91 now compared to 2.82 at year-end, but actually today back at below 2.9%. Around 44% of the portfolio is fixed and with a fixing period of 1.3 year years, and if we include the callable swaps, that increases a little bit to 1.6 years.

I think we are happy with the situation as it looks today. I think that's all I have for the time being, back to you, Bent.

Bent Oustad

Thank you. Yes, if you look at the occupancy rate in the management portfolio at the end of Q3, it's at the same levels as in Q2, it's 87% occupied.

We very well know that the easiest way for us to create shareholder value is to rent out the existing vacant premises. If you go over to the net lettings, the net letting for the quarter ended at plus 55 million.

The larger new lettings, we sent a separate press release on that one during July, but new lettings ended at plus 93 million and terminations at 38 million. The large termination was more or less mentioned in the media in Q3 '25 when SOS Alarm said they would move out of our premises and to a new location in the city.

The lease contract runs out in second quarter 2028. Coming a little bit back to that later on.

The renegotiations for the third quarter is total 90 million. It's an uplift of 1.9 million.

If you look further into the figures, renegotiated rents rose up to 60.4 million. It was an increase of 3%, and prolonged existing terms was 31 million.

We're quite happy with the result this quarter. Year-to-date, the total renegotiated amount is 320 million, and that's a slightly decrease of 0.6% for the total portfolio.

Renegotiated with different terms, 165 million, and prolonged on existing terms, 152, total 320. That brings the total net lease for the year-to-date figures to minus 7.

As I mentioned in my CEO letter this morning, we have had a nice kickoff of fourth quarter, we are quite enthusiastic and ambitious for the last quarter. Also, 136 million of the maturities in '26 and onwards have already been renegotiated within these figures and earlier quarters.

If you dive a little bit further into the renegotiations we have done, it's a healthy mix among all market areas and all segments. Very often when you listen to media and we hear different round table discussions, it's a lot happening among governmental tenants, etc.

We feel we are in all kind of markets and segments, and also that's what we see on the right side here is a nice mix of different tenants. Two contracts above 1,000 square meter during Q3, and the same with the new leases are also in all kind of categories.

One contract above 10 million, and then you all know that's of course the DNB Carnegie contract. If you divide it into the different segments we have, different areas, Stockholm is dominated by Stockholm inner city this time, but we see activity in all our clusters, and that's important for us.

The rental development, we gave this is not a guiding, but this is what's in our book, already decided. The forthcoming quarters, and we want to, of course, accelerate this.

If you have next quarter, when you also see fourth quarter here, you have the full effect of the DNB Carnegie contract, you have the full effect of the Mimer project, and you have the full effect of Wenner-Gren Center that we come back to a little bit. Mentioned here, slightly drop in Q4 2026, that's a one-off effect, more or less an IFRS effect, auditing effect, meaning we have had some rebates to some customer that we now are renegotiating the whole contract, and then we take the full effect of the planned discount there.

The new contract will increase our cash flow effect, and we'll try to focus on that this time. I mentioned in the beginning, our customers, it's the most valuable we have in the company.

The 10 largest tenants, you have on the right side here. Still the DNB Carnegie is renegotiated, but this is the old contract because the new one runs into effect from the third quarter 2027.

We will update it then, and there will be a number three on this side. The WAULT on the top 10 tenants will then go close to 10 years, and in total, we have 700 customers, but the 10 largest accounts for approximately 30% of the total rent, and they have a long WAULT.

Yeah. I think that takes it.

If you look at the trends, and this is Fabege's view and my view on the market trends, what we see, the rental market, last quarter I said was slightly strong in the CBD. This quarter I say it's stronger, and it's a good, continued activity in the CBD portfolio.

Rent levels has started to increase in areas where low vacancies and less alternatives on new productions. There is more tempo in the leasing activities as well.

We also see a stable rent levels in the greater Stockholm, that's also reflected in the figures we've shown you here today. We see a more mix of tenants' behavior, still.

Some tenants are reducing square meter in existing leases, but also more and more tenants changing their policy to be in the office at least four days a week. I see someone do the analysis and say they will be in the office four days, but the policies start to be more and more at least four days in a week.

That's also we see that on activity on ground levels, activity in the parking lots, etc., etc. That's a good sign for us.

Suppliers to all the industries in Sweden that really growing, even if it's in the space industry, if it's in the data center industry, if it's in, yeah, different industries. Suppliers there have some of them have quite high activity and are we see them around now looking for future relocation and opportunities.

Not all of them, but some of them. Still we see also the growth in startups, AI/tech companies also being in the market.

It feels comfortable, and also back my comment on that we are quite enthusiastic and ambitious for the last quarter. When it comes to construction market, we see free capacity among the construction companies.

When we are handing out contracts, we see a good competition to get our potential building contracts, we feel the market is healthy for us. Transaction market, quite limited numbers during third quarter, but we see as well, as I guess most of the city is seeing, increased interest to investigate potential of market opportunities, sometimes from a specific recent company, but even more often from the advisers, and that's their job, it should be like that, but we see more interest these days.

The financing market, just add on Åsa's run-through, it's a healthy activity there, and we see competition among all kind of investors and different markets, it's up running and well-functioning. Going forward, what are we seeing?

We have a lot of projects that will contribute to the top-line growth. As I mentioned earlier on here, we have full effect from the fourth quarter '27, Wenner-Gren Center, Mimer also with full effect from fourth quarter, but it start to kick in during the third quarter of '27.

They are running in accordance to the timeline that we started the project with, it's looks good. This year in June, we bought a land plot from the municipality of Stockholm, the Hästen 1 in Sveaplan.

This is a fantastic area, and it's very important for us. We have approximately 90,000 square meters here.

This newer building rights is approximately 8,800 square meter, and we have done a lot of work in a short period of time, and we will have the possibility to start construction works quite early. Total investment approximately 370 million, including stamp duty, etc., and all kind of accumulated costs.

We are enthusiastic with this as well. It's a positive and attractive location for possible tenants.

Quite high interest in short period of time. Planned move-in end of '28, beginning of '29.

The area, just to put it in the bigger picture, I showed this last quarter as well, but from now on, I will focus on our properties, but kind of the interest is also the white circus where Ericsson has signed the contracts for their new relocation, and we have all the red circles or squares here. In total, 90,000 square meters.

Moving over to the residentials, we are creating Haga Norra from being nothing and be a attractive meeting place. It's parking as a garage underneath the ground floor.

We have all the green squares here we have completed, and right now, we are doing the last cleaning of the last flats in block 4 block 5, and so that will be also completed this year. Block 4 has started up.

We have done the planning, we have done the construction, yeah, we have decided on the construction company, and we start the sale of the first flats during October, actually. That's on the way.

Block 3, we have done a lot of lease-out. We have leased out the elderly care facility, approximately 5,000 square meters, to Stockholms Sjukhem.

We will have a preschool that will be rented from Solna Municipality, and we're doing residentials that will come after block 4 is finalized, but the construction work will start a little bit in parallel. It's also a potential for a potential office, approximately 20,000 square meters, at the last corner of the quarter.

Haga Norra, block 4 will be 133 apartments. Project started during October, as I mentioned.

Estimated investment 600 million, including the purchase of land, and completion will be '28/'29 in there with the move-in. The next phase, block 3, are on the way, and a total approximately 20,000 gross leasable areas, investment up to 860 million.

As I mentioned, a lot of the commercial premises are already leased out. The last one, now Solna Municipality press released this quarter that the building rights for more residentials in Arenastaden on the doorstep to the new metro station are in place, and we have the first building will be approximately 200 apartments.

This is still in the planning phase, doing lot of calculations, both when it comes to construction cost, pricing of the units, etc., etc. The metro station, unfortunately, one year delayed, we take the time and do all the calculations and try to lock in as much as possible just to finalize the potential in this project for us.

To summarize the quarter and what we are looking for going ahead, we are, as I mentioned several quarters now, we have to conclude on ongoing leasing initiatives and to reduce vacancy, top priority. Definitely to continue to be the preferred partner for all our customers.

We have to be available, accessible, and always solution-orientated. When I see all the different service, I'm so happy to see we are ranked number one in these questions all the time, and that's valuable for us.

Second or third point, we to secure the value creation in ongoing projects and our land bank. We have to do the calculations correctly.

We have to be strict on cost and how we are using all our resources, that both in commercial building rights and also in the residential portfolio. We will always continue to be active in the financing markets.

Åsa showed a nice picture of the activity during the third quarter, and it continues going forward. The last one, search for opportunities to create shareholder value.

A lot of investors asking for that, and believe me, it's top of priority. With that, we hand it over to you, Viktor.

Viktor Byrenius

Thank you very much, Bent, and thank you, Åsa, for having me. My name is Viktor Byrenius.

I'm an equity research analyst at Pareto Securities, and I will help you through today's Q&A session. I'll have some questions for myself, but then I'll let the audience in for questions through the telephone line.

Before jumping into the details of the quarter, could you just very quickly mention one thing that you feel satisfied about this quarter and one thing that you need to improve going forward?

Bent Oustad

Leasing activities. I'm happy with that.

I'm happy with enthusiasm among younger talents in Fabege. We're doing some smaller changes on the executive team, and we see enthusiasm coming up immediately, and that's very, very encouraging for me as a partly new CEO in the company.

Viktor Byrenius

Yeah. You mentioned the net letting, it came in at 55 million for the quarter.

Obviously, you had a very positive effect from the DNB Carnegie lease. Excluding that lease, how would you say that the current leasing market is?

You mentioned that the CBD is going strong. How is it overall?

Bent Oustad

We have done new leases in all areas, and also I said we have had a nice kickoff of fourth quarter. This signing often goes some more weeks or something, and if you had closed the books today, it would have been positive for the year-to-date figure, we have kicked off good.

We see nice activity in all our areas, I'm quite optimistic.

Viktor Byrenius

You have any larger ongoing discussions?

Bent Oustad

We always have. Some very, very large and some in more middle range, we have a lot to do.

Viktor Byrenius

Good to hear. About interest rates, you have decreased your fixed-rate periods from an average of 2.2 years in Q3 last year now down to 1.3 years.

Given that the market rate curves are rather volatile at the moment, how will you work and operate to minimize the damage from this and to keep the interest costs on good levels?

Åsa Bergström

We took some opportunities in June to do some plain vanilla interest fixing, as I mentioned during the presentation, to secure some of those earlier taken swaps that are maturing over the years. Also one reason is entering this kind of callable swaps that are on very good levels for us that provide a positive cash flow.

We have a number of those swaps that actually provide a good cash flow for us now. I think today with where the long-term interest rates are, it's a little bit too expensive for us to do a lot of more fixing.

It's always a balance to see. What we do is we follow the markets, and when we find opportunities good or good enough, then we take action.

Viktor Byrenius

Yeah. Okay.

One question that you have heard many times before, some of your sector peers have sold non-core assets enabling them to use the proceeds to reduce debt and buy back shares. Given the current 50% plus discount to reported NAV, what's the rationale behind not buying back shares at these levels?

Bent Oustad

The rationale is that we don't have a lot of excess capital in the company these days. We have to prioritize where to invest.

That said, I will not be referred to as I say we will never buy back shares. We ask for a power of attorney to do it, and it's on the agenda.

Also this time, as you saw, I changed a little bit on the last slide here, we are really thinking about creating shareholder value, it's always on the agenda.

Viktor Byrenius

Yeah. With that, I will open up the telephone conference for any of the audience questions.

Operator

To ask a questions via the phone, press star five to enter the queue. When it's your turn to speak, press star six to unmute your microphone.

The first question comes from Fredrik Stensved at ABG Sundal Collier. Please go ahead.

Fredrik Stensved

Morning. Can you hear me?

Åsa Bergström

Yes.

Bent Oustad

Yes.

Fredrik Stensved

Perfect. Very good.

First, a couple of questions on the forward guidance or projection of rental income. Bent, you mentioned in the presentation that Q4 was sort of impacted by what I understood at least, a rental discount for a renegotiated contract being fully sort of considered in that quarter.

Is that the full effect for Q4? I guess Q1, Q2 2027 also down sequentially.

Is that linked to the same change or something else?

Bent Oustad

No, the one contract I mentioned at fourth quarter '26, that's a one-off. We are changing the tenant in this building, the future cash flow will be higher.

The yearly rent will be higher than it is today. It's a long lease contract that we want to end earlier on, and they have had a rebate.

It's booked rebate for a short period of time, and it's booked all over the total lease length, so that's why it is in our books, but divided over the total lease length. We finalized this lease in advance.

When it comes to the other thing you said or you asked for there, Fredrik, as we mentioned in the press release in July, we have a large rebuild or refurbishment of a property in the CBD. The tenants are operating in the premises while we are doing the refurbishment, some smaller rebates on that tenant as well.

You can account for that until third quarter '27.

Fredrik Stensved

Understood. On the third quarter, which we see in the table, does that fully reflect full rent from DNB, or do they have discounts or sort of phasing in of rents already as of Q3?

Bent Oustad

It's full effect in Q3 '26, I think.

Åsa Bergström

There's a small discount also in Q3.

Bent Oustad

A small discount. Sorry.

Fredrik Stensved

Okay. Very good.

Then Mimer, sort of partly in Q3 and then full in Q4?

Bent Oustad

Yes.

Åsa Bergström

Mimer first phase, partly in Q3, because we are renovating the second phase in the building, full effect is not until August '27.

Bent Oustad

Full effect in the fourth quarter.

Åsa Bergström

Yeah.

Fredrik Stensved

Yeah. No, that's clear.

Then I guess Wenner-Gren is the last sort of large one I think you said Q4. What's your sort of expectations on occupancy trajectory in that property in next year and looking, I guess, into 2028 as well?

Is that going to be half let at completion, and then gradually increasing from there, or what's sort of—

Bent Oustad

I think your projections are quite good. My team is much more in a rush.

They want to sign it up as quick as possible, but, yeah, we have to think that this is our totally refurbishment. It'd be so nice when it's finalized next summer.

We can't be too eager to sign everything now. It's 400 square meters per flat.

The decision-taking, if you want to lease 400 square meters, you're not leasing up now to move in in 12 months. A lot of viewings there, a lot of tenants looking at the building, and they see the potential.

Then they can take the decision in much shorter time. I really want to finalize the entrance to the building, the lobby area, see all the services we're putting in there, see how it will be and have the good feeling.

Then we think it's easier for us to also have to exceed our expectations when it comes to rent levels.

Fredrik Stensved

That's clear. Makes sense.

Then a second and final topic. Åsa, you mentioned, if I'm not mistaken, that you did another 1.5 billion of callable swaps now in Q4.

Was that correct?

Åsa Bergström

Q3 and Q4.

Fredrik Stensved

Okay.

Åsa Bergström

Yeah.

Fredrik Stensved

Okay. What's the sort of addition from Q3, what we see in the report?

Åsa Bergström

You see some impact from that, but not so much. It will kick in mainly from Q4.

Fredrik Stensved

Understood. What's your sort of general thinking on how much volumes you can take in terms of callable swaps?

I guess there is some kind of tail risk that the counterparty actually calls them. Do you have a—

Åsa Bergström

We do not regard them as sort of long-term interest rate swaps like the plain vanilla swaps, these are mainly taken to provide a good cash flow in the meantime. If they are closed, they are closed.

We see it as the risk we take is that we will stay with these swaps at the levels they are taken. These latest callable swaps, they are taken at levels that are a little bit below 2%, and that's an interest rate level that we think that we can live with for a long time should they not be called upon.

Fredrik Stensved

How long do these run if they're not called, the below 2%?

Åsa Bergström

Between 5 and 10 years.

Fredrik Stensved

That sounds like a good instrument. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Nadir Rahman at UBS. Please go ahead.

Nadir, please unmute your microphone via star six.

Nadir Rahman

Is that working now?

Bent Oustad

Yes.

Åsa Bergström

Yes.

Nadir Rahman

Hello. Sorry, that just took me a bit of time to work that out.

Thank you for taking my questions. I've got two, and I'll ask them in turn.

The first one is rental levels on the leasing you've seen year-to-date and also in Q3. How does that compare between Solna and the inner city?

A follow-up to that is how much discounting are you offering and how many rent-free incentives underlie these rents? That's my first question.

Bent Oustad

It's difficult to say some percentage of differences. Just within Solna, in Arenastaden, it varies from building to building and microlocation within Arenastaden as well, Arenastaden, you have rents higher than we have in CBD, but when it comes to CBD, it's of course higher.

More or less twice the rent in CBD as we see in Solna, Yeah, more or less that. You said the incentives to move in?

You asked about that?

Nadir Rahman

Yes, correct. What sort of incentive levels are you offering at the moment across your leasings in the past quarter?

Has that changed since the start of the year?

Bent Oustad

I haven't really looked into it, just my feeling. Now I'm a little bit even closer to the operations, I think I have some feeling on it.

It's not increasing. Maybe a little bit tightening, but I would say, and if you do the analysis, it's the same level.

Nadir Rahman

Okay. No, that's fair.

Then my second question would be on your sector allocation. Of course, you mentioned towards the end of your presentation earlier that shareholder value is a focus to you, and you're looking at ways to optimize and maximize that.

When you look at your sector allocation now, of course, you're majority offices, there's some residential as well. Which of those two sectors do you see the most value being unlocked for shareholders?

Do you consider any other sectors as an opportunity, given the way the macro environment has changed, perhaps to everyone's surprise this year, given various geopolitical events?

Bent Oustad

Yes, it's a little bit less risk on the resi side, since there we're doing full what do you call it in English, totalentreprenadcontract? We lock in all the costs.

We do the drawing of the separate flat. We do all the planning in advance before we hand up the building contract, they're more or less the sales risk.

If you do lease out resis, we also know more or less the rent level before we start the construction work. You mentioned now offices.

We see more and more creating working places, it's not pure offices. A lot of tenants have some special needs.

Could be labs, could be some data centers. They also all have some special needs.

What we see in the contracts, maybe 10% to 20% in average are some special needs, and we feel quite happy with that because they lock themselves into the buildings for a long time. I think that give us excess value because the position as the preferred partner for our tenants, I see that as a good strength for us, and we try to focus on that in all the lease-outs we're doing.

Nadir Rahman

Sure. There was a second part of the question, which is about maybe other sectors as well, and if they look more attractive now given the macro environment has changed.

Bent Oustad

You see the companies really kicking off here in Sweden. They are of course attractive.

Some of them have more production in their businesses, but for us, the short value creation is to lease out the vacant space, more focusing on that than just what kind of tenants we are approaching, but, yeah, we are approaching all kind of tenants that want to create a new work environment for themselves.

Nadir Rahman

Got it. Very clear.

My third question relates to your points on leasings. Bent, you've been in the seat for nearly a year now, and a year on now, have you had any surprises to where you expected to be at this stage, perhaps on occupancy or lettings?

Has it been slower or better than you expected in the last 10 to 12 months?

Bent Oustad

My ambitions are sky-high, I will not say we are ahead of my plan, but we are taking step by step. I think we have an organization being ready to run, and they are running a lot.

We can always be around talking about what we intend to do, but we try to focusing on signing lease contracts and do the work. That's job number one for us.

All right.

Nadir Rahman

Very clear. Thanks for taking my questions.

That's all from me.

Operator

The next question comes from Philip Hallberg at Nordea. Please go ahead.

Philip Hallberg

Yes. Hello.

Can you hear me?

Bent Oustad

Yes.

Åsa Bergström

Yes.

Philip Hallberg

Yes. Thank you.

I had a question regarding does this quarter's renegotiated volume include the old DNB Carnegie contract that you had, or is that to be taken later?

Bent Oustad

No, it's not included, we didn't include that area. We just put in the net lease effect and added them on the former area that Max Matthiessen rented from us.

It's not included. It will be totally dominated the whole overview, a little bit more is or quite much more is renegotiated, but then it's on existing terms.

We haven't divided the rent levels among those 17,000 square meters.

Philip Hallberg

Okay. Also in regards to the Mimer phase two, will that have any positive impact on net letting in Q4, or did you take that effect already in 2025?

Åsa Bergström

It was taken when the contract with AcadeMedia was signed.

Philip Hallberg

For both phases?

Åsa Bergström

Yes.

Philip Hallberg

Okay. Bent, you mentioned in the CEO letter, of course, that you still have a lot of focus on letting out vacant space, and I appreciate that, but you also have a lot of focus on cost for tenant adjustments.

Does that mean that you are more flexible in terms of rental levels to rent out vacant space, or how should we view that comment?

Bent Oustad

You should review it like we try to create a even clearer responsibility within our firm. When we have a tenant, a TI we have to do, one person is responsible, has the total budget.

We have a lot of enthusiastic employees with a lot of specialties. When we have done the calculations and we have said yes to a project, we close all the discussions there, and we move on and we do the work, and have the tenant in.

If we can save one month of work or if we can stop on further survey on the work we're doing, it helps us to create better value going forward. When it comes to the flexibility that you asked for, pleased tenants comes to us, we will always discuss and find solutions.

Philip Hallberg

Okay. Should— [unclear] That's clear.

Also just in regards to have you reviewed the former TIs and sort of seen that you have a low return on invested capital on those of improvements, or is this just an ongoing focus in the business?

Bent Oustad

It's an ongoing focus, but I know how to calculate that as well as all of you do, and we are not satisfied with all the returns we have the last years, but over a period of time, we are proud of what we have achieved, but we want to get back to those historical levels.

Philip Hallberg

Okay. My final question is just regarding the potential divestment of Hörnan 1 to the Solna Municipality.

What is the current status of that deal?

Bent Oustad

That was more than one year ago, and it was stopped there, and don't have any further comments on that, actually.

Philip Hallberg

Okay. Is it still an ongoing discussion in the municipality, or has it been called off entirely?

Bent Oustad

If they are interested, please call me.

Philip Hallberg

Okay.

Bent Oustad

Yeah.

Philip Hallberg

Thank you very much for taking my question.

Bent Oustad

Thank you.

Operator

We have no more phone questions in line, I hand the word back to the speakers.

Viktor Byrenius

Thank you very much. Just one final question from me.

There has obviously been some turmoil internationally, very uncertain geopolitical environment. What is your view on this, and how will you be working going forward to minimize the negative impact from this?

Bent Oustad

That's, yeah, different angles to that question. When it comes to financing, of course, it influences.

When it comes to operations, we try to focus on what's happening in the company, and we are not that much affected by what's happening other places. That's also why I went through the construction work or how we see the construction market, and of course, we are very well aware what can happen there.

We haven't seen the signs yet, but it's always on the agenda. We see a lot of industries going well in Sweden.

Try to focus on them and see their future needs. We see more effect from companies changing their policies to maybe be at least four days in the office.

That means more for us in the short period of time. I think everyone in Fabege are looking at the news every day and see what's happening, but we try to stay focused on Fabege and our areas.

Viktor Byrenius

Sounds great. I think we are beginning to run out of time.

Thank you very much for taking my questions, and over to you for any closing remarks.

Bent Oustad

Oh, but with that, we conclude the third quarter presentation, and we are already well on way in fourth quarter, and thank you for taking your time being with us today. Thank you, Viktor.