Victorian Plumbing Group Plc

Victorian Plumbing Group Plc

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Q2 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptMay 22, 2026

Stephnie Judge

Good morning, everyone. I'm Stephnie Judge, and I'm pleased to be presenting to you the first time today as CEO of Victorian Plumbing, and I'm joined by my colleague Dan Barton, CFO.

Before we dive into the presentation, I wanted to quickly remind everybody about what makes this business a great one, and why I'm so proud to have been part of the story for the last 13 years now. Our position is one of real strength.

We are a highly cash-generative business with strong foundations already well established. We've a clear, focused, pure-play online operating model, and a brand that's more recognizable and more trusted than ever before.

At the same time, market trends are firmly behind us, with customers continuing to shift online. Looking ahead, we see exciting growth opportunities, particularly in tiles and flooring, and in homewares through MFI.

We've also strengthened our team, both by bringing in new talent and promoting from within, which gives us the capacity and ambition across the business. Importantly now, the heavy lifting on capex is complete.

The infrastructure is in place, which gives us the capacity to scale and drive efficiencies. The key takeaway here is simple: strong foundations, clear momentum, and a business that's very well-positioned to accelerate growth.

Turning to our first-half performance now then, this is a story of continued market share gains and strong strategic execution. Changes at board level have been completed, and Mark and I are fully aligned on our objectives in our new roles as we look to meet the strategy.

Progress in H1 has materialized across a number of fronts. We've continued to embed semi-automation across our warehouse network, driving efficiency.

MFI is building real momentum, sat at now over 5,500 SKUs, with strong traffic to the site and early revenue coming through into homewares. This is a key growth platform for us.

We've also strengthened our logistics capability through the recent acquisition of Sovereign, which gives us greater control over fulfillment, scale, and service. That strategic progress is clearly translating into performance.

We've delivered record half-year revenue at £168.8 million, up 11%, and we continue to outperform the wider market, reinforcing our position as the UK's number-one bathroom retailer. Tiles and flooring has been a standout for us, up at 84%, and still with significant headroom for growth.

Trade continues to scale as well, with record revenue of £39 million. Overall, strong execution, clear momentum, and multiple growth levers delivering in our first half.

Turning to marketing now, this is an area where we are continuing to invest with real intent. You can see that our overall marketing spend remains strong, with a clear focus on online.

That's deliberate, and that's where we see the best returns, and it aligns directly with the ongoing customer shift to digital. At the same time, we've been increasing our investment in brand.

This is about building long-term recognition, trust, and a point of difference in the market. Importantly, we're doing this in a disciplined manner.

Marketing as a percentage of revenue is trending down, even as we continue to invest, we are driving efficiencies alongside the growth. Alongside this, our existing brand partnerships, such as Bolton Wanderers, the World Snooker Tour, and our newest sponsorship with Bristol City FC, are amplifying awareness and helping us to reach a broader audience.

The message here is clear: targeted investment, improving efficiencies, and a growing brand presence, which all support sustainable long-term growth. Moving on to brand awareness and bringing this slide to life for you, what you can see here is a consistent, measurable momentum in brand awareness.

That's the direct result of the disciplined investment in media and stronger, more effective creative. At the top of the market, the big incumbents remain highly visible, but importantly, we are closing that gap where it matters.

Victorian Plumbing has stepped up to 73% awareness, showing a clear upward trajectory over time, and that's a significant gain for us, and that reflects that our strategy is working. Now if you look to the mid and long-tail competitors, Better Bathrooms, Heat and Plumb for example, they're either flat or declining, whereas we're not just growing, we are taking share of mind.

That's the key point for us. This is a relative gain; as our awareness rises, others are being left behind.

The results are showing that our brand strategy is delivering, it's compounding, and it's positioning us to win every time even more decisively going forward. Moving on to technology, now for us, this is where our engine really starts to fire.

We're using AI and automation not just to improve the experience, but to directly drive our performance, and you can see that clearly now in conversion, which is up at 4%. On the front end, we've accelerated how we test and optimize.

We've got faster iterations, better user journeys, and higher productivity. At the same time, we're embedding AI deeper into our order management, which means quicker and smoother resolutions for our customers.

Importantly, we have beta-launched Ask Vic, which is our AI-powered shopping assistant, bringing personalized and instant support for our customers at scale. That's a meaningful step change in our customer experience.

Behind the scenes, robotics are transforming our operations. From automated pallet wrapping to AGVs to smart conveying systems, we are driving efficiencies and accuracy right across the warehouse.

We're increasing capacity without adding complexity. The headline here is simple: this is a scalable infrastructure, it's improving margins, it's enhancing our customer experience, and crucially, this sets us up to handle significantly more volumes as we continue to scale.

On to people, this is a really important differentiator for us. We're not just growing, we are getting more productive as we scale.

If you look on the left-hand side of the slide, revenue has increased consistently, now at £323.9 million, while FTE growth, particularly in the warehouse, has been much more controlled. That operating leverage is deliberate, and it's powerful.

We're investing in the right areas whilst keeping overall efficiency tight across the business. The result is now clear on the right-hand side of the slide.

Revenue per FTE is up year-on-year, and crucially, we're ahead of the competition. We're generating more revenue per person than our peers, which talks directly to the strength of our model.

This shows we've a highly efficient and scalable business. We're combining smart resourcing with technology and process to drive more output from every pound that we invest into our people.

We're also using bolt-on M&A to support our next phase of growth. In January this year, we acquired Sovereign for £2.3 million net of cash acquired.

The transaction was executed at an attractive valuation and aligns closely with strategic priorities. The rationale here is straightforward: this gives us greater control over a key component of our cost base, particularly in distribution and fulfillment, which, as has been an area of particular inflationary pressures.

Operationally, Sovereign is a very well-established platform. It operates a fleet of 65 trucks and 95 trailers, and handles over a million pallets annually.

By bringing these capabilities into the group, we increase our control over delivery speed, the reliability, and overall customer experience. This is a practical, capability-led acquisition.

It strengthens our operational infrastructure and it supports cost control, as well as providing a solid foundation as we continue to evaluate further bolt-on opportunities in this space. On to MFI, this is a really exciting part of the equity story for us.

What we've done here is move quickly from soft launch in the summer to meaningful scale in a very short space of time. We started with just 600 SKUs.

It was focused, low-risk, and 100% UK sourced. That gave us clean, capital-light entry into the category.

By September, we'd more than doubled this range, staying disciplined and building out in bedding and textiles first, an area where we knew we could win. Then by December, we'd stepped it up again to over 3,000 SKUs as a broader offer, and importantly, trading through key peak periods such as Black Friday and Christmas.

We've certainly not slowed down. By March this year, we were at 5,500 SKUs, with a more balanced mix across categories, and importantly, already delivering revenue.

The pace of execution here is key. We're testing, we're learning, and we're scaling quickly, but in a controlled way, and in line with the guidance that Dan provided a year ago.

Looking ahead, there's a clear runway for us. We're expanding the product range, moving sourcing to international, and continuing to layer in seasonal newness.

The headlines for MFI are that it is here, it is up and running, it's gaining traction, and it represents a meaningful new growth lever for the group. What's really important here is that what that execution is now translating into for traction.

We're seeing strong, consistent growth in traffic, with over 545,000 visits in the first half alone, and that momentum is accelerating month-by-month. It isn't just traffic; it's quality.

Average order value is up 48%, and customers are buying more products per basket, at 2.4 now per order, and that tells us that this proposition is resonating with our customers. At the same time, orders are scaling quickly, around 50% average monthly growth, which is exactly what we want to see at this stage.

Critically, our customer feedback is very strong. With a 4.7 trust score and reviews building rapidly, that's a clear signal that we are delivering a great experience as we grow.

This is the key point: we're not just building range, we are starting to build a brand that converts, a brand that scales, and a brand that satisfies customers. That combination is what gives us real confidence and excitement in the trajectory from here.

Enough from me, I'll hand over to Dan now for a review on the financials.

Dan Barton

Thanks, Steph. Turning to the income statement, group revenue increased by 11% year-on-year to £168.8 million.

Retail remains the dominant contributor, generating nearly all revenues during the period. We've split out third-party haulage revenue to enable better like-for-like comparison, and of course, we provide Victorian Plumbing and MFI in separate columns to aid understanding of the different moving parts.

Overall, the key highlight is strong top-line growth, stable margins, and disciplined cost management, with some pressure on net profitability driven by the planned investment in MFI and non-cash charges as we compare six months of cost of the new infrastructure with just three months in the comparator. As is customary, the majority of the following slides will focus on Victorian Plumbing's performance.

Building on the revenue performance, order volumes increased by 12% in the first half, reaching 609,000 orders. This continues a consistent multi-year growth trend, with orders up from 453,000 in H1 22, demonstrating sustained demand and effective execution.

The growth this year has been driven by tiles and flooring, which, as Steph has emphasized already, remains a key strategic category for us. On the right-hand side, you can see that we are continuing to outperform the broader home improvement and DIY market.

While the market has been volatile and, at times, negative, our revenue growth has remained consistently ahead, reflecting both market share gains and the resilience of our customer proposition. Our growth is volume-driven, supported by category strength, and achieved against a challenging external backdrop.

On slide 14, moving from volume to value, retail revenue continues to show double-digit growth, increasing to £167 million in the first half. This is primarily driven by strength in the consumer segment, which grew by 10% to £128 million and now represents 77% of total retail revenue.

AOV has declined to £274, which is down 3% year-on-year. This reflects ongoing customer trading down as well as mix effects within the categories.

Despite this, volume growth more than offsets the reduction in AOV, underpinning overall revenue expansion. Own brand penetration continues to increase and is now at 83% of revenue.

This reflects the fact that most of the tiles and flooring sales come from our own brand stable, supporting margin resilience and reinforcing the price differentiation in our offering. In summary, we are seeing strong revenue growth driven by consumer demand and volume, with AOV pressure consistent with broader market trends, but partially mitigated through mix and own brand strength.

Tiles and flooring continues to be a key growth driver within the business. Revenue in this category increased by 84% to £14 million, with strong momentum built over multiple periods, but accelerated following the finalization of our infrastructure transformation, which completed in December '24.

Surging sales growth in tiles and flooring reflects both increased customer adoption and continued expansion of our range and proposition. Importantly, this is still a relatively small part of the overall business, which just goes to show what the scale of the opportunity is and what we've got ahead of us.

On the right-hand side, we estimate the addressable market at approximately £1.4 billion, of which we currently hold around a 2% share, which was not so long ago just 1%. This underpenetration presents a significant opportunity to scale further, leveraging our existing customer base, distribution capabilities, and own brand strength.

In summary, tiles and flooring is delivering high growth today with substantial headroom for continued expansion. Turning to product mix and profitability now, in absolute terms, gross profit increased by 9% to £84 million, in line with revenue growth, and so, of course, margins have remained stable at an industry-leading 50%, and I think showcasing the impressive quality of our earnings.

Changes in product mix and the resulting pressure on AOV has been offset by effective cost control in shipping, carriage, and transaction costs, together with commendable supply chain management. Our own brand penetration supports margin resilience.

Turning to underlying costs, we continue to see that progressively strong marketing efficiencies offset by the impacts of inflation in people and overheads, allowing us to support growth without diluting margins. Total underlying costs increased to £66.7 million, up 9% year-on-year.

Breaking that down, marketing spend increased modestly by 6% when compared to revenue growth, reflecting continued discipline and improved efficiency in customer acquisition. In contrast, people costs and overheads grew at a faster rate, driven by inflationary pressures and ongoing investment in the business to support growth, offset by the productivity gains that Steph talked to earlier.

Importantly, as a percentage of revenue, underlying costs remained broadly stable at just under 40%, demonstrating our ability to scale while maintaining cost control. Adjusted EBITDA increased by 12% year-on-year to £17 million.

This reflects continued top-line growth combined with disciplined cost management, particularly in marketing. EBITDA margin remains stable at 10%, demonstrating our ability to absorb inflationary pressures while maintaining profitability.

Looking at the margin bridge on the right, there are some headwinds from cost of sales and other inflationary factors, however, these are fully offset by improved marketing efficiency. Moving below EBITDA, adjusted PBT declined to £11.2 million, with margin at 7%.

This reduction is driven by well-signaled higher depreciation and finance costs. Depreciation has increased to £4.5 million, reflecting a full six months of expense in H1 26 versus just three months in H1 25.

Similarly, and in addition, finance costs have risen to £1.3 million. Importantly, these expenses are largely non-cash and follow a period of significant long-term investment in infrastructure, and while PBT is lower year-on-year, this is driven by strategic investment and financing effects, positioning Victorian Plumbing for future growth.

Turning to cash flow for the group now, cash being my favorite topic, this is a real strength of the business. We generated £13 million free cash flow in the first half, maintaining the step change we delivered last year.

Cash conversion remains very strong at 84%, which clearly demonstrates the quality of our earnings and the efficiency of our operating model. What's particularly important here is that cash generation is running ahead of the profit profile.

We're converting growth into cash consistently and at scale. This gives us real flexibility, whether that's reinvesting in growth areas like tiles and flooring and homewares through MFI, supporting infrastructure, or strengthening the balance sheet.

Overall, while accounting profits are impacted by investment and non-cash charges, the underlying cash performance of the business is both strong and highly reliable. The strength of our cash generation gives us real optionality, and this slide shows how we're deploying that capital in a disciplined way to maximize long-term shareholder returns.

Our first priority remains investing in organic growth opportunities, particularly scaling within our existing addressable markets and continuing to build momentum in high-growth categories. Secondly, we remain committed to delivering sustainable dividend growth, reflected in a 6% increase in the interim dividend to 0.74 pence.

Thirdly, our strong balance sheet gives us the flexibility to pursue selective M&A opportunities like Sovereign, particularly where they strengthen our category leadership, expand our vertical capabilities, or accelerate entry into adjacent markets. Importantly, we're doing this from a position of real financial strength, with strong cash generation, no debt, and no significant capex requirements in the near-to-medium term.

The key takeaway and the last thing I want to say is this: we have the financial capacity to invest for growth, reward shareholders, and pursue strategic opportunities, all while maintaining balance sheet discipline. I'll hand you now back to Steph for the conclusion.

Stephnie Judge

Thanks, Dan. Finally, I'll summarize our current trading and outlook.

I'm pleased to report that the group delivered mid-single-digit revenue growth in the first six weeks of the second half, despite experiencing the widely reported subdued consumer sentiment driven by the Middle East conflict and its impact on discretionary spending. No material cost increases have been observed to date, however, the group remains vigilant to potential inflationary pressures, particularly from imports from China and energy pricing.

Despite factoring in a more subdued consumer environment for H2, the group anticipates full-year revenue and adjusted PBT to be in line with current market expectations, supported by the group's typically stronger second-half weighting, with H2 seasonally generating higher profitability than the first half of the year. All in all, a positive start for the group, and I look forward to updating you on our continued successes now at the end of the year.

Thank you. We can open up to Q&A.

Hannah Crowe

Thanks very much to you both, and we've got a number of questions. How much working capital do you think you will need to grow by to accommodate your MFI ambitions?

Stephnie Judge

Do you want to take that?

Dan Barton

Yeah. Not a lot is the answer.

We've got to give MFI the legs to grow, we'll get ahead of it, kind of already have. It might expand by a million or two relative to the group, but to be honest, the bathroom business is so large that if the buying team stopped for half a day, they would cover both the tiles and flooring expansion and MFI's together.

The working cap is easily affordable. The net cash should land at the end of the year by about £27 mil.

Essentially in two years' time, there'll be quite a lot of cash in this business. Getting ahead of that next question, we'll be looking at dividend progression.

Hannah Crowe

Great. Thanks.

The flooring and tiles are doing extremely well. How much more do you need to grow the range in order to target that full market opportunity that you've outlined?

Stephnie Judge

Good question. I actually think the range is in a really good place now.

We've spent certainly the last 12 months focusing on building out range and availability, which is equally as key in tiles and flooring. What we don't want to do is stock ourselves out.

Areas for opportunity that we haven't covered yet, to be quite clear, is in outdoor tiles. That's the next one for us.

We're really happy with where the range is and how much we've got. We think it covers a lot of ground.

Dan Barton

0.2%.

Hannah Crowe

Probably one for you, Dan. Why is your gross margin flat when sales of own-brand products are increasing?

You'd expect this to be a tailwind for margin expansion.

Dan Barton

It's a good question. Previously, the answer is that tiles and flooring is nearly all own brand.

Unlike the bathroom business, that margin is lower than the group's right now because we've not yet got the scale, and we've not yet got the really big MOQs going into the supply chain. Most of the tiles and flooring own-brand stable is being manufactured in Europe, Italy, Spain, some from Turkey, a bit from Egypt.

We will likely move some of that manufacture to Vietnam, and therefore that own-brand stable gets the power-up of margin that you see in bathroom, quite rightly, whoever asked that question. You'll see that over time.

It's a little bit of a nuance this year in that the own-brand progression driven from tiles and flooring actually just pulls the margin back a little. Obviously, we've held it stable, we've got lots of other things going on in terms of cost control, actually some good own-brand margin coming through on the bathroom side, all to hold that.

I think looking forward, I don't think there's much more gross margin to come. In fact, with the inflationary headwinds, you might see it tick back a little bit as tiles and flooring grows, but as that part of the group gets scale and MFI in equal measure, that group margin comes back to around 50%.

Hannah Crowe

Okay. And 50% is the follow-on question I've got here is with revenue per FTE trending up and marketing as a percentage of sales coming down, where do you think EBITDA will get to on the medium term,

Dan Barton

and is that— Look, there should be a few more group percentage point improvements on EBITDA margin because the investment's done, the peop—the productiv—the key thing, Hannah, and to the person that actually the—the question, is the people. Unit cost of people has been going up and up, driven by national living wage for us.

It was 4.1% this time around, unit costs is the rate of growth of the—of the national living wage is slowing down, which helps. The key is what Steph, the team have done in the warehouse for the productivity, the automation is beginning to bite.

You can see that with just plus 2% FTE where the business did volume of 12%. Ultimately, at each turn and each year, you'd expect percentage point improvement.

Ultimately up to something like 15% is where we should be aiming for. In reality, the growth coming through, when you've got 84% growth in tiles and flooring, and a number of us has forgotten what a retailer looks like when it grows at 84%, is phenomenal.

There's—there's obviously a little bit more inefficiency in that, which will—will shake out over time, it's not a problem. We'll probably shoot for the growth there more.

To be honest, a lot of this depends upon what the competition does and how they respond, the big tile players, the lazy—the—the lazy market leaders that are out there that are in bricks and mortar models, click and collect models, that we've—that clearly, there's demand from our customer base for. All of that depends at the speed of which we take market share.

Yeah, 1 percentage point improvement over the next couple of years, probably topping out around 15% on EBITDA.

Hannah Crowe

Okay. Thank you.

Steph, lovely to hear from you today on your first outing, but question here: how involved is Mark Radcliffe in the running of the business now? Yeah.

Look,

Stephnie Judge

Mark is the entrepreneur, and he is our visionary, and remains to be our cultural anchor, but actually, he's very much finding his feet in his new role. He is spending time with me on two areas specifically.

Prior to me stepping into this role, commercial operations sat with me anyway, now it's focus and coaching more around marketing and tech, those two areas. Actually, he's enjoying doing a little bit of R&D for us at the moment.

He's very active in board meetings, as you can imagine a founder director does, but he's very receptive to the small tweaks and changes, and ultimately is aligned with me and knows exactly the way I work from the last 13 years and understands my discipline around execution. It's really exciting.

We're finding it feels actually very, very natural because it's an evolution, not a revolution, it's felt very, very smooth.

Hannah Crowe

Great. A couple of questions on tiling.

One: what percentage of the tiles business is grouting and accessories versus actual tiles?

Dan Barton

It's not information we give externally, but I'll answer it therefore without numbers. It is an important part.

Interestingly, the growth has come nearly all from consumer, who tend to not order that stuff as much. In fact, you do get a bit of DIY, more so in the tiling area than flooring, but a lot more than you do in bathroom, which is linked to plumbing.

Consumer does buy proportionally more of the ancillaries and the consumables around the product. Obviously, as we step into selling more tiles and flooring into trade, that area becomes even more important and the availability becomes important.

There's one chap that he comes to us for screed because it's perfect when he mixes it, we always have it in stock, and he's regularly orders, there is examples of trade doing that. A healthy amount, a proportionate amount to a consumer doing DIY, like I say, as trade picks this product up more, there'll probably be a little bit more of a boost there.

Okay. Then

Hannah Crowe

on the other side of tiles, obviously in terms of marketing, you haven't put a lot of push behind it as it currently stands, and when do you expect to turn on the tap a bit more for brand awareness? Yeah.

Stephnie Judge

You're quite right. I think 96 out of 100 people know us for bathroom.

We have no idea what the other 4% know us for. I've not figured that out.

In terms of tiles and flooring, only 44% know about us, 44 people. There is more to do, but again, as Dan said before, 84% growth without having pulled that lever yet, that's a great optionality point and a choice for us to go at the right time.

What we will do is be disciplined with that and controlled, and make sure it's in the right areas. The brand partnerships and sponsorships definitely help us overall.

We are doing sprinklings of marketing for tiles and flooring, it's not huge, but it's enough and it will be a steady ramp. For us, we think that there are 10 levers, say, for tiles and flooring, we've pulled three so far, that gives you an idea of what we think we've got to go at.

We'll continue marketing, we will protect the customer journey in all of that, and that a little bit to what you said before, it depends on competition. If competition are just readily allowing us to take more, we're going to continue to go for growth.

Dan Barton

Yeah. The real question Hannah just said in that's that the management team think far more about servicing the inevitable growth that will come across, because you don't get 84% growth without striking gold.

Whoever's asking the question, remember this, when you've got that much growth coming through and you've not done that much, you very, very quickly flip into, well, actually, what's the capacity of the building? How do we get the stock in?

The issues are much more how do we maintain a customer journey for the next wave of people, which will be double again in a short order, I'm sure of it. How do we make sure that their perhaps first experience buying this product, or maybe first experience buying with us because they haven't bought bathroom product, is the best one so they come back?

Because essentially what we're doing now, and what you can see with this business, we're selling much more into the home. It's not just the bathroom.

Tiles and flooring takes us out of the bathroom into hallways, the flooring into dining room, tiles in the kitchen. Steph mentioned the range is expanding into the garden.

That repeatability in that customer experience is the most important thing.

Hannah Crowe

Okay. Thank you.

M&A, obviously did Sovereign, and that looks a success. Will we see more like that, or are there other areas to look at?

Stephnie Judge

Sovereign has been a success. It's been a very nice, simple transition actually, because we've worked with Sovereign as a partner for 10 years plus, so as we've grown and scaled, they've had to stand up to that and they've grown and scaled alongside us, and we've helped each other along the way, right?

It was a very practical-led acquisition, which means that it gives us a lot of power when it comes to network. If we were to do another one of these, you can imagine it would be in the South East, it would follow population base.

We'll get this one integrated, and we'll make sure that we nail this one first. Yeah.

Dan Barton

As Steph said, the right time, another probably one more transport business, similar shape and size in the South East, to serve the South East. I don't think it'd be in the South East, probably just south of Birmingham.

Alongside that, we've also talked to Ireland, we've noticed growing Irish custom. The Irish consumer, starved of range post-Brexit, arriving at the UK site, the .co.uk site, paying in sterling and getting really inferior delivery service, but yeah, it's growing.

We're doing a little bit of thinking around do we do something in Ireland from the Leyland site, stand up a website, do a little bit of M&A to take some warehouses, all kind of small bolt-on. Then the last area is probably tuck-in M&A in adjacencies, there are businesses that paint radiators, they sell radiators and they have a paint service alongside it.

We don't offer that, so that'd be something that would be really interesting for us to look at. There are other small tile businesses where perhaps they've developed a real knowledge for how to distribute large pallets in quantities, which is something we expect to be able to need to do better.

Just looking for tuck-ins and M&A opportunities in those areas as we go along. Plenty of cash to do it, all of it will be positive to the financials.

The thing is, Hannah, we are a small management team, not a massive corporate, despite the size of the business. You could throw a blanket over the decision-makers, two of which are in this room, we've got a lot on.

Since it's probably for the next six to 12 months, not anymore, but let's see. Let's see.

Hannah Crowe

Okay. Thank you.

As trade becomes a larger part of the business, would you consider adding physical depots to cater to that end of the business, similar to the Howdens model? No,

Stephnie Judge

it's not something that we're considering. We are underindexed in trade, and we are doing some work around personalization and actually understanding our trade customer better, and we think through that, what we can do is encourage repeatability and help solve a tradesperson's problems.

Their wants and needs between a one-man band to Bob's Builders to a hotel chain, as you can imagine, are very, very different. What we need to do is understand what their wants and needs are, be able to personalize against that experience, and therefore be the most trusted brand for trade, because the infrastructure that we've now got, we've been able to move our next-day cut-off times, and we are fully stocked all of the time, anything that trade person could want in terms of the bathroom, they can place an order right up until 5:00 PM and have it delivered next day to site, and we think that's a really good proposition.

We just need to be able to get into more detail with knowing our trade base and customers. Okay.

Hannah Crowe

Dan, you mentioned getting product to Ireland better. There's a question here: will you offer your products to the Isle of Man, please?

It'd be a great opportunity.

Dan Barton

Yes, I guess so. We must deliver to the Isle of Man, surely.

Stephnie Judge

We do in small amounts.

Dan Barton

We do in small amounts, we'll take that away. I'll have a look and come back, but yeah, there's no reason why we shouldn't.

I'm sure we can. Right.

Hannah Crowe

What have you learned so far from MFI, and what are the key KPIs you are focused on?

Stephnie Judge

That's a good one. MFI are—we're measuring, Dan definitely you, for the measurement and KPIs, but we are seeing traction.

Please bear in mind that for the last nine months since soft launch, we have been focusing on product acquisition. That's been the most important differentiator for us, and we've got it now at 5,500 SKUs.

We've did really strong in that short space of time, particularly around the bedding and textiles, in a fully stocked model for online. I'm not sure there's many that could beat that range that we've got now.

We've built it out fantastically. The imagery is equally important.

We've concentrated on that. That's in a good place.

We are seeing early repeatability, actually, as well, and the customers are telling us that this proposition is brilliant and the service that wraps around that is actually even better than VP's, at 4.7 versus 4.6, which creates some healthy competition internally. For us, we can see that it's positive, it is getting traction, half a million of revenue, 545,000 visits to site in first half alone is huge.

We're really excited about it. In terms of if your KPIs you look at things slightly differently—

Dan Barton

Still in its infancy. Obviously we gave a lot more information out this time.

Trustpilot scores, PPO is going up, so that's products per order, into a healthy place, AOV is building, which you'd imagine as the product range broadens away from smaller items in terms of value like bedding into, say, beds and furniture. Very much kind of week-to-week measuring the business.

I think the two things that will happen next is we'll move more of a mix of the product into international sourcing to get gross profit margin power-up, and that will be used to then kind of really market the business properly now that the product range is in a good place. We're really excited.

I think the next time I update the market, and when I'm kind of back on the road in December, I'll probably have about three to four months' worth of marketing data and gross margin data to look at. Four months won't be enough in order for me to kind of talk with any authority to the break-even point, but everything is indicating, all of the signs are positive as we overcome each hurdle in this business, and each time I come we give more information, markers that tell us it's going to be a success are those data points we've given in the deck that we talk through.

There's also the private sector businesses out there that are rapidly growing that have a pure-play online model, still a pretty small percentage of this TAM, but kind of taking consumer into pure-play, click-and-collect, fully stocked model. You arrive on our website and it's there.

If you see something on our website, we can put our hands on it in the building, and that gives you the knowledge that it will arrive, tomorrow if you pay for next-day delivery, or Monday, Tuesday if you don't, but it all comes together, so that's really important. One of the things I've learned about MFI is if you're aged 35 or below, you have never heard of this brand.

You simply have never heard of it. It's near universal, that's the cut-off marker.

If you are aged 35 and above, you typically have. It's all translating into real traction, as Steph said, with half a million visitors to site in just nine months without really marketing the business, I think speaks for itself.

Hannah Crowe

Great. Question here: if I type in "best shower tray for under £500" into Claude and ChatGPT, Victoria Plum does not appear.

What are your thoughts on that?

Dan Barton

Yeah. Look, my thoughts on that are I suppose what you can infer from the question is: is AI a threat to the business?

I think the answer is no. More AI-driven shopping is arriving at site versus traditional search.

That's definitely a problem for Google to figure out, and I'm sure there'll be a winner in all of the AI progress and technology that's coming. Ultimately, why we sleep at night and why we are relatively relaxed and see this as an opportunity is the search, whether it's Claude or ChatGPT or Gemini, the search returned to the customer has to be a good one.

If you are looking for a shower tray for under £500, ultimately those models are beginning to, obviously not in this case, but they are beginning to recognize that we have the brand, we have the customer services, we have the product, we can deliver it next day, it is at the price that it says on the website, it's a real business, and you will have a great shopping experience. I think those that push you towards, say, bobsbathrooms.com that don't have all of those things that I've just described, ultimately will result in a poor shopping experience for the customer, and you won't return to search with that AI agent.

This business has been through this before when eBay was kind of crushed by Google. There was a time where—and I'm sure folk on this call will remember—eBay was the most powerful shopping experience digitally, and Google then came in and took that market.

This business went through that. Ultimately, we've got £50 million worth of stock on the balance sheet and it's ready to be sold in a sensibly priced way.

In that example, the person that's done that in Claude they didn't push them to us, but I think increasingly we start to see that they are. I think do that again in a year and it'll happen.

Hannah Crowe

He's already done it in Gemini, and the good news is you appear there. That's a win.

Dan Barton

That's the Google one, isn't it? Yeah.

Hannah Crowe

Oh, well. How achievable do you think your share plan targets are?

Stephnie Judge

Sorry, could you say that again, Hannah?

Hannah Crowe

Yes. How achievable do you think your share plan targets are?

I'm assuming the board has chosen them to stretch you, but nonetheless make them achievable.

Stephnie Judge

Exactly that. Of course, yes, it is a stretching target, but it's one that we are absolutely up for, and we buy into completely.

We can see a runway for us. You can see core bathroom has capacity now for plenty more to come, and even in a market that is bleak at times, we are still the outperformer, which gives us very much confidence, and if it doesn't come back, we've seen early signs that seem positive, but if it doesn't come back, then we still do, and we fare a lot better than others, and ultimately at some point that drives exit in the market, right?

Dan Barton

Then

Stephnie Judge

you've got MFI, just touched on, early indications are we are really positive and excited about. This is fun.

This is really, really good fun for us to create a new brand, a great shopping experience, more lifetime value and repeatability than acquiring a basket for a bathroom. I'm sure you would shop on MFI more frequently than you would buy a bathroom.

Then you've got tiles and flooring, and as we've said before, we are very clear on levers and drivers, and by no means have we exhausted all of those yet. Then you've got bolt-on M&A.

All these things are what we're really excited for and ultimately what we are focused on driving. Then

Dan Barton

to add to that, the business is so cash-generative. Wonderful for a CFO.

You've got dividend progression in terms of capital allocation, we're blessed. Spreadsheets in two years' time talk to a lot of cash, gives us so much optionality.

Ultimately, the blue-sky ambition is for the group to get to a billion revenue. That's not in the forecast, that's not something that will be held to account at this stage, but that's the aspiration.

We don't work this hard to not achieve that VCP, and in doing so, what we've noticed on the road and with others is we're very aligned to shareholders. We'd clearly be delighted with anything north of £2.50 from where we sit, but I'm sure as we approach it, we'll want more, because the ambition is to keep going.

Ultimately what we want is those aisles in those kind of DIY and homewares businesses you've all visited, that I grew up with, that all of the things that are sold in those aisles can be sold online through this model. A decent period of time in which to do it, but yeah, really looking forward to it.

We can keep share updates as we go along each six months.

Hannah Crowe

I think that's a great note on which to end. Thank you both for joining us today and to our audience.

Please, audience, remember to engage with feedback shortly. We'll see you in six months.

Stephnie Judge

Thank you.

Dan Barton

Thank you, everyone. Have a good day.