NewPrinces S.p.A.

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Q4 FY2025 · Earnings Call TranscriptMarch 30, 2026

Benedetta Mastrolia

...and Rocco Sergi, CFO. Before starting, I would like to introduce today's presentation with a short video.

Just a technical issue, but it'll come up in a second. Thank you so much.

Before starting, I'd like to draw your attention to the disclaimer on screen. I would also like to ask, apologies, I don't see the presentation on screen in the webcast, can you please put it up online?

Thank you. Before we start, I'd like to draw your attention to the disclaimer on screen, and now we can get into the presentation.

As a first slide, we wanted to introduce you back to our investment case. We think it's changed significantly since last year, especially given the recent acquisitions, especially with our entry into retail.

Getting into some of the highlights: we are now one of the only, if not the only, vertically integrated food and beverage group in Europe. We have over a thousand retail stores in Italy and over 30 manufacturing plants.

This allows us to be vertically integrated essentially from almost farm to shelf, and that allows us to be very agile in the way that we introduce products into the market and the way we do business. Secondly, the backbone of our business is of course, has always been manufacturing and also some of the strongest brands in Europe.

We have leading positions in Italy, but not only in Italy, also in the UK. The UK is our main market in terms of manufacturing and product sold, with some categories having over 65% of average category share in their markets.

A very important point of our investment case is the real estate floor. We now have over a billion worth of real estate in our balance sheet, which has of course significantly increased following the acquisition of Princes Retail, Carrefour Italia back in December.

This is something that brings out more value because it's there and it's valuable in tangible assets, and that also brings our shareholder equity to over £1 billion. Our story is a story of margin expansion.

We've been able to execute and to improve our margins consistently throughout the years, despite all the acquisitions and some acquisitions that could have been considered margin-dilutive. One good example is of course the one of Princes, which we completed last year.

We've been able to consistently expand our margins, improve our operating leverage, and really grow in that sense. We now have a target, which Fabio will take you through shortly, but we have a target to reach 10% EBITDA margin in manufacturing and 5% of EBITDA margin in retail by 2030.

A very important point that goes hand-in-hand with margin expansion is also our cash flow generation. We've been a highly cash-generative company ever since we listed, but also before listing, with consistent free cash flow conversions of above 60% or 70% in the last years.

That is backed by that is actually something that propels our M&A strategy. The ability to generate cash, coupled with of course all the financial, let's say, agility that we have, has helped us secure several acquisitions since the company was founded in 2004.

We've completed more than 20 deals in the last 22 years, and we've achieved a very strong improvement in revenues. Our revenues increased by 20 times in the last 6 years since the IPO of Newlat Food.

Lastly, we believe that the key point of our one of the key points of our investment case is the vision of the founder, who's the driving force of the business and the one who drives the company. That is of course the most important part, but of course we are backed by a very professional and highly experienced management team that helps us deliver the strategy long term.

Now we wanted to bring you back to our IPO back in 2019 and going through a bit of the achievements we've made in the last couple last 6 years. We listed Newlat Food in October 2019.

At the time, we were a smaller business of around €320 million in revenue, and we listed with the intention to grow by M&A. We had a midterm target to reach €1 billion revenues.

Throughout the years, we've completed several acquisitions. Centrale del Latte was the first one, but then we did several other steps, such as we issued a bond, we completed the acquisition of Symington's and EM Foods, which brought us to one of the most transformational acquisitions we've done to date, which is the one of Princes Limited, now called Princes Group plc, from Mitsubishi Corporation.

This acquisition really step-changed the group and gave us access to a wider range of products, but also to a sizable market, such as the UK market. Lastly, 2025 was probably the most exciting year in our history, where we had several milestones.

First one was the issuance of the second bond, followed by three acquisitions. Diageo Operations Italy being the first one, then Carrefour and Plasmon.

That was also followed by the IPO of Princes Group. In less than a couple of months after we marked the first year of having Princes Group, we were able to list it on the stock exchange.

The listing of Princes was very successful, in fact, that it was the largest IPO in the UK market since 2021, was also the first one of an Italian company being able to list on the London Stock Exchange. Now if we get into the other slide, we just wanted to go through all the milestones in terms of revenue and EBITDA.

As I was mentioning, in 2019 we listed Newlat Food with €320 million of revenues and €28 million of EBITDA. We then progressively increased our revenues.

In 2023, we were around €800 million of revenues with €72 million EBITDA. 2024, with the acquisition of Princes, we reached almost €3 billion of revenues with €177 million of EBITDA.

Then lastly, we finished the 2025 year with pro forma revenues of €6.5 billion, so that includes, of course, Carrefour. We can say that the last 6 years have been years of delivery of exceptional growth, which have resulted in our revenues growing by almost 20 times, EBITDA growing by almost 8.5 times, and market cap which has increased by at least 220% since IPO.

We've really created immense value for our shareholders and our stakeholders. Moving on to the next page, we would like to show you a little bit about the group structure.

Of course, there've been many changes in the last few months, and we have decided strategically to separate the business into two sectors. One is manufacturing on the left-hand side, and retail on the right-hand side.

The reason for that is because these two arms of the business are very complementary and synergistic, but of course we wanted to value them separately. One of the reasons why we decided to list Princes Group was actually because we raised of course capital to continue M&A in manufacturing and also wanted to allow a re-rating of both companies, with their own valuation metrics.

Princes Group being a UK-listed company and New Princes being an Italian-listed company. Two synergistic stories that go hand-in-hand and generate value for the longer term.

Now we go over some of the highlights of 2025. As we already mentioned, we issued a bond, was very successful, subscribed in in one day.

We issued €350 million, and we also were able to increase our stock liquidity, and we saw huge improvements in the liquidity of of the New Princes shares in the last in the last 12 months. As I mentioned, the Princes LSE listing was particularly important.

It was one of the major milestones we reached in 2025, and Princes is now listed on the FTSE 250, a huge milestone for us. Aside that, we also have made great progress in the integration of Princes Group.

As you may recall, when we acquired Princes, we announced that we were going to generate at least €34 million in in synergies. We've essentially achieved half of that in in just one year, and we are on track delivering more synergies through the the further integration of Princes into the wider New Princes Group.

Then just touching very briefly on the three acquisitions of 2025: Diageo Operations Italy is the is now called Princes Ready to Drink. It is our alcohol, no-alcohol, and ready-to-drink factory, which we acquired of course from Diageo, and it marked the entry into a new vertical of drinks, all the alcohol sector, which we didn't really manufacture before.

Carrefour Italia was of course the most transformational acquisition we have done to date, and especially in 2025, which marked the entry into retail and really step-changed our growth, both in terms of organic growth in retail, but also with the synergies we have in terms of commercial synergies among the two arms of the business. Lastly, a very, I would say, proud moment for us was the acquisition of Plasmon.

Plasmon, as many Italians know, is a very well-known brand, the number the number one baby food brand in Italy, and this allowed us to fully reunite the two manufacturing sites, the Ozzano Taro site that we acquired back in 20 2015 from from Kraft Heinz, and the Latina site, which we acquired at the end of 2025. It was an emotional year for us, filled with many important milestones, and we're now planting the seeds for what's coming ahead in the next few few years.

Just wanted to go very quickly through our financial highlights for the year. We've reported consolidated revenue of almost €3 billion, €2.96 billion, which is a an increase of 80% since since last year.

This is of course on a consolidated basis, it includes the acquisitions of Diageo of the Diageo site from the 1st of October, and of Carrefour Carrefour Italia from the 1st of December. Looking at a pro forma figure, we generated revenues of €6.5 billion.

That places us among some of one of the largest companies in in Italy, especially the second-largest food and beverage company in Italy. Looking at some other metrics: adjusted EBITDA was, again, this is consolidated adjusted EBITDA, was €240 million, which of course grew significantly, and we very importantly achieved our 25 2025 guidance in terms of EBITDA if we exclude the acquisitions we performed, we've achieved €210 €210 million in EBITDA.

Then we had some amazing growth in EBIT. If we look at EBIT, we of course have a, let's say, a benefit from the income from business combination of €319 million, EBIT was €430 million.

On an adjusted basis, it grew more than 150%. Net profit, again, of course benefits from this business combination, but it was €383 million, which is a 140% growth since last year.

In terms of free cash flow, we had a very strong underlying free cash flow of over €150 million, and net cash was €319 million, excluding IFRS 16, with €1.4 billion in current liquidity. Now I'll hand over to Fabio to discuss some of the financial performance.

Sorry, we have to. Thank you.

Yes,

Fabio Fazzari

thank you, Benedetta. We can go through starting with the P&L analysis.

On the P&L, apart the strong and visible development of the top line, it's important to highlight the strong performance in terms of profitability starting from the gross margin. It's a performance that it's something it's important to highlight, very structural.

We had and we still have in place a lot of actions to try to get efficiency, and we work very well not only on the procurement side, but we work and we are still working also on the productions to try to get efficiency plant by plant. This is a very in-deep process that we just started in the past months, and that we will continue to get from this improvement also during the next year.

Strong improvement, obviously, also on the EBITDA margin and EBITDA margin as Benedetta already showed you. Discipline on the financial part of the P&L despite the bond that we issue also last year, and the highest level ever of the net income with €383 million that, obviously, remain the strongest so far, but a starting point for a future development.

The quality of the earnings are visible in our balance sheet, a very strong profile of the company starting from the asset side. We improve materially our tangible asset base with several investments in real estate that we made in UK, and also considering the strong contributions from the real estate portfolio that we got from the Carrefour acquisition.

We improve our position in terms of net working capital looking particularly at the industrial part of the business, and we close the year with a very strong position in terms of cash available with more than €1.3 billion of cash that is creating a very strong profile of the company that could face, I would say, the several new opportunity in the year with a very strong support from this position. Looking at the total shareholder equity, it's important to highlight the strong improvement with total shareholder equity close to €1 billion.

Substantially, what the balance sheet is showing is that after the huge number of acquisitions that we made starting from July '24, the company is today fully deleverage and ready for additional acquisition and additional step forward. Generally speaking, the business is showing improvement everywhere despite the deflations that we face in some countries.

We continue to deliver good growth. It's important, speaking about volume, to highlight the strong performance in Germany, where volumes have been reach this strong performance, plus 11%, and this is something that is going on also during this weeks and this first months of the new year.

About the adjusted EBITDA, as you see, in terms of absolute value and in terms of profitability, we achieve a very strong performance everywhere. This is a slide that certify the high quality of the numbers that we reported.

This is the free cash flow generations only for the like-for-like perimeter versus 2024. You remember that in March 2024, we gave the guidance of an EBITDA range expected for 2025 between €210 million and €220 million, and we got this range of guidance.

Starting from only this part of the business, it's important to highlight how we continue during 2025 to achieve the goal in terms of net working capital improvement, in terms of a disciplined capex spending, and despite the investments that we put in place, especially in real estate, we have been able to maintain our cash conversion ratio above 70%. These charts summarize different KPI of the company.

In the first one, you can see the strong improvement in terms of revenue base followed by the EBITDA level reported. The second one, thanks to the free cash flow generation, is showing how, despite the new level of capex balance for the new sites of the group, the net financial position substantially is now to zero.

All the leverage indications are close to zero, the company is fully deleveraged and delevered. Despite the huge investments that we made in this year, you can see how, thanks to the deleverage in particular, the return on capital employed increased materially this year above 12%.

Here there are the summary of what we expect in the next year. Substantially in a couple of years, we expect to get the breakeven for the retail business and to go on in delivering an organic growth of 3%, on which we have several additional opportunities coming from the synergies in terms of revenues inside the group.

We expect to continue to deliver margin improvement also on the food manufacturing side of the business. All in all, in 2030, we expect to have an average level of profitability at 7.5%.

On the strategic side and in terms of M&A, it's important to say that M&A remain the key focus for the group and for the future development of the group, with a difference versus the past in the sense that today, the new strategic view of the group is based on two different souls that we have inside the same group: one focus on food manufacturing, the other focus on, today specifically, on retail, but in reality, the strategic idea is to remain focus on all the potential opportunity that are complementary to the food manufacturing industry. On this basis, we already are working on other new opportunities.

In particular, we have three process that are going on today, especially on the food manufacturing side, are three important on the strategic side opportunity for the group to continue to develop the portfolio, diversify also the presence in terms of geography, and to continue to go on with what we believe is the most important point on our strategy, that is to continue to diversify and to enlarge the industrial know-how that we have in our portfolio. These are the three very important strategic acquisitions that we made last year, very important because they reflect the strategy, the entrepreneurial strategy of our group.

The first one was the acquisition of Diageo Operations Italy, that is today Princes Ready to Drink. This was important for the strong know-how that we acquire and the very high level of versatile plant that we have, that substantially could produce everything inside the drink business.

The acquisition of Plasmon was very important because we rebuilt after years the original perimeter of the company, putting together the plant of Ozzano Taro that we bought from Heinz in 2015 and the other part of the perimeter, important brands like Plasmon and Nipiol in baby food, important brands in special products like Dieterba, Biaglut, and others. We put together the industrial know-how of Ozzano Taro that we already have and Latina, focused on homogenized product and bakery.

Last, but obviously not least, the acquisition of Carrefour Italia, that is giving us the unique strategic opportunity to combine and put working together the food manufacturing and the food retail world. Now I leave Giuseppe to enter in more specific details, industrial and commercial, for these acquisitions.

Giuseppe Mastrolia

Thank you. Thank you, Fabio.

If I may ask for an applause for Benedetta, Fabio, and Rocco and all the finance team, all the beautiful job they've done this year. Thanks a lot.

Thank you. I start with this slide that talks about what we already mentioned many times, that is the the acquisition of Plasmon, that is a strategic acquisition because, as Benedetta mentioned, we acquired already in November 2015 the first factory from Kraft Heinz in Ozzano Taro, and now we acquired the the major factory from Kraft Heinz, that is the Latina factory, that is for us a really important milestone because represents now New Princes becoming the the market leader in the in the baby food segment.

It was founded almost 120 years ago, more than 120 years ago. We generate around 30% of market share, as said, and we have what is really important is that we have spare capacity that is still around 51%.

We can produce around 1.8 billion biscuits a year, that I think it's a really important number, and we are on on the biscuit segment overall market leader with over 70% of market share, and we see a great opportunity of growth going forward in this segment. To give a bit more context concerning the Plasmon, why why this is an attractive opportunity: first of all, because it's really sizable market.

Western European baby food market is worth €5 billion €5 billion, with an overall growth of 3%. Only UK and the Netherlands, that I want to remind everyone that we have all sales force in these countries, even in Germany, are lead in the growth of over 4% over the next 3 years.

We see a great opportunity on the European market, but even on foreign market. Of course, we have a strong manufacturing scale and flexibility.

We now sell around 450 SKUs, and we have still 51% of spare capacity. Again, a strong market share in two different in two different channels: one is the retail channel, and what we can say the the other one is what we can call the specialist channel, that is both let's say doctor and pharmacy.

We are present in in different channels, and of course in the food service. We have a strong innovation and R&D pipeline.

This is one of the characteristics of Plasmon in the last years. That's why that's why Plasmon beat beat the market in the last years, because we always been on top of innovation and new product development.

Of course, there is a a big opportunity in terms of clear expansion of margin, because this category can can easily can easily achieve around 15% of EBITDA margin level. Of course, there's another big opportunity that is on the export side.

At the moment, we sell mainly in in Italy, but we as Princes, we export in over 60 countries, and we are already overlooking to different opportunities that can be to develop more and more products on the market. Going back to the other going to the to the other acquisition we made this year, that is Princes Ready to Drink: these are two products that for the colleagues of Carrefour maybe they're already known.

We are launching already some product in our stores: two Spartan energy drinks, 250 ml, one zero sugar and one with sugar; and the other one that is our first limoncello production that we do in our factory in Santa Vittoria d'Alba, that will be launched between April and May 2026. What is really strong about Santa Vittoria acquisition is that we have a new product development team that is really capable and and and really we can develop a lot of opportunities, both in business-to-business, co-manufacturing, and retail development as well.

We are working in all the market where we are present already. What I want to underline around Santa Vittoria is that we are talking about alcohol, no-alcohol cans, but we talk even about soft drinks, that is a big, big market, always in big growth, and we have that capability as well, and we are well-recognized on the market for this kind of product.

I give you a bit of a commercial update. We are keep on winning new contracts across UK and Europe.

Why? Not because of price, but because of credibility, first of all, because retailers know that they can build 3-year, 5-year plan with us, mean that they see Princes as a potential reliable partner for long-term growth, and they want stability.

We are really strong in our new product development and innovation team that we continue to expand. We have a strong pipeline in each of every sector in which we are present.

Of course, the strong manufacturing base: most of the time retailers are surprised when they see that we own 32 now 33 manufacturing sites across the group, and we can produce a lot of product internally. Of course, with the global sourcing expertise, we buy from all over the world.

We buy from all the continents, raw material or finished goods, and Princes is really well-known across the UK market, but even the international market, for the expertise. These are just some highlights that I want to show to you.

Last year, Napolina, that is number one Italian brand in the UK, have growth by plus 16% of value, double-digit growth through new product development that I was mentioning before. We launched some Napolina boosters, we launched the polpa fine that we do in our factory in Foggia, some flavored oil that we manufacture in our site in Belvedere in the UK, and a lot of new launches are up coming now in the next season.

Now we look for the tomato to come and to grow, and then we will come with new product development for September-October season. Then another strong brand that is in our portfolio is Branston.

Branston is continuing its growth. Now we see that, let's say, we are becoming the benchmark for all the other beans producers on the market because of our quality and all the positive comments we have.

We have our marketing campaign that is called the five-star rating, where everyone is rating our Branston beans on a really high end. We were able to close new business opportunity on our main UK oil brand, that is Crisp 'N Dry.

We increase our sales by 4.5 million, and we see a growth in drinks that is plus 2 plus 2%. Then one thing that I want to mention is that is maybe smaller than what it is, is the Princes jack mackerel transition.

We were able to anticipate the market in terms of offer of mackerel, because the European market was short on mackerel offer, and we were the first to bring the jack mackerel from South America into the UK market, and this is giving us an advantage that is around plus 30-35% compared to the other mackerel producer on the UK market. Some other opportunities that, of course, we keep on track and we think are really important.

These are something some pictures of what we do in the store, because we spend most of our marketing budget into shopper marketing. We try to be decisive in the moment in which the consumer is on the shelf, and he's taking the decision to what product he wants to buy.

As you can see, these are aisle and gondola end from all our brands, mainly Napolina, Branston. You see some Princes, some co-branding that we do with products such as we do co-branding together between our own products, such as Napolina oil and or Napolina tomatoes, pasta Napolina and tomato Napolina, as you can imagine, cross-selling and execution in the store is really important for our strategy.

These are all colleagues on the left-hand side. I want to give the right importance to this slide because, as you can see, Tesco we received the Tesco Brand Development Award for Symington's work on Tesco customer-owned brand for home baking.

It's a big recognition, and we are getting it almost every year in different categories. This means that we are really important to Tesco, that is the major retailer in the UK.

We won an award as Marks & Spencer Supplier of the Year because of the speed with which on deliveries during the their cyber problem that they had on Ocado, and the Unitas, that is a biggest group the biggest group of wholesaler in the UK, where we won grocery supplier of the year. Last, but not least, last year we hosted the famous Tom Kerridge, that is a one of most important chefs in the UK, in our field in Foggia, to film their spot that will be on September 2026.

These are all initiatives that bring credibility and relationship with our customer base. This is my last slide, that I think is it's really important.

This is the growth that we have done in Germany. You can see from the left-hand side was the management from Nestlé of the sales since 2016.

We started managing the sales by ourself in 2016. We were around 31,000 tons, and then in 2020, we went up to 42,000 tons, because maybe I became the managing director of Newlat GmbH.

No, I'm joking, it's a joke, but what I want to tell is and then we grow up to 50% I it was helping all the situation, and what is really important to highlight is that during these years, we went through a brand change from Buitoni to Delverde, was not so easy that the transition will go so well. What is really important is that now this year, we closed with over 50,000 tons, almost doubled our sales in Germany, and continue the growth.

Thank you.

Fabio Fazzari

Thanks, Giuseppe. This was the most funny part of the presentations.

Now we have to go back to something more boring and theoretical, but it's also important to highlight, once again, how we really believe that this integrated and vertical model that we are trying to put in place with the two souls that I described before, it's very important for our group, creating a unique situation, especially for the food manufacturing side, in which, for the first time, a food manufacturer could really work in relations with the consumer thanks to the door that the retail business is opening. This is very important because could allow us to develop product knowing what the consumer are looking for, which kind of product could be more in line with the macro trend that we are seeing directly into the market.

On the basis of this model, we have several different strategic priorities. For sure, on the food manufacturing side, we need to support the organic growth through product innovations and the acquisition of new opportunity, because considering the industrial base that we have, it's clear that our business model is based on volume and scale.

M&A, as I said, will continue to remain strategic for our group, and we aim to be able to announce soon additional acquisitions. We have also other important strategic actions in place to optimize, for sure, the utilizations and the efficiency of the factory, and also to create additional opportunities on the supply chain and the procurement efficiency.

On the retail side, we have other important strategic key actions, in particular linked to the relaunch of the brand and the transformation of the store to adapt the asset of the offer that we have in mind to recreate into the market. The vertical integrations means also to give more space to the private label offer, also thanks to the advantage that we have working together with the manufacturing side, and also learning to the industry, we would like to recreate an offer that could be more tailor-made, more flexible, linked to the different requirement that we can experience from the consumer in different locations and different format.

The last one, that is one of the most important for us, is the evolution of the hypermarket format, recreating, starting from the recreations of a combined offer inside the hypermarket space and developing a strong offer dedicated to the B2B. This is the schedule that we have in terms of initiatives, starting from January '26 and getting 2028, that will be a key and important year for us, also because in 2028, we expect the full rebranding of the network of the channel with the brand GS.

We already implemented from January 2026 several commercial initiatives, promotional initiatives. We are working on the visibility.

We expect in Q3 and Q4 also to have the launch of the new model with the improvement of the level of services, the monitoring of the business with a dedicated index, and also to work on the new assortment. The new assortment that will be key in Q4 in all the format of the channel.

These are the three key point of the commercial model development, as we said: a new commercial model based on the differentiations, a better positioning, and a sort of tailor-made offer, flexible and different area by area, region by regions, to try to meet the what the consumer are looking for; revenue synergies that we expect across the group in two different area. For sure, it is an opportunity for the food manufacturing side of the business to introduce the products that we already have in our portfolio, the branded products that were not present in the Carrefour network before, apart a small presence of in the milk and dairy.

This obviously is an important opportunity. We are already working on that, and we achieved important evidences in the first months of the year.

Obviously, especially after the rebranding of the chain, we have the opportunity to internalize the production of all the private label of the distributions chain. It's clear that this combined model offering us the opportunity to launch initiatives together and to optimize the activity of the both souls of the group.

This is an example related in particular to the hypermarket format, in which we would like to start to introduce also the usual cash-and-carry offer to try to combine inside this big space the offer dedicated to the B2B and the usual offer for the retail, and to have also the launch of a dedicated discount on a multing buy. These are is a summary of what I already mentioned before.

We believe that across the group, we have the possibility to deliver strong synergies in terms of the introduction of new products and in terms of the combined actions for the internalization of the private label. These are example of these initiative that we already start in terms of the visibility, the introductions of our products.

We have a plus 42% in terms of growth of demand of our product inside the Princes Retail network. We are waiting for the introductions on the shelf of Carrefour of Princes tuna, that is expected for June.

I would say, this is just the beginning. We have a lot of initiatives that are coming soon, and we believe that these remain, for the strategy of our group, an important milestone on which we will build up the future of the group.

Now I leave Benedetta for the conclusion.

Benedetta Mastrolia

Thank you, Fabio. We just wanted to quickly wrap up on the presentation, leave some key messages for today.

As we very well explained, I guess, 2025 was a very transformative year. Was the year that introduced a new vertical into our business, retail, and it is the year that our strategy was redefined and reshaped.

2026 will be a very important year for us in terms of integration, in terms of planting the seeds to be able to grow and to generate profitable growth in the next years. We expect 2026 to be the first year in which we will see some of those seeds blooming and seeing some of the value that we are currently creating with the integration of the two arms and two souls of the group together.

As Fabio usually says, we think that the best is yet to come for our group. We are now ready to answer any questions.

We first take questions from the room, and then we also answer any questions from the live webcast. Please, for the people joined online, can you please send any questions in the Q&A tab, and we'll be glad to answer any questions.

Thank you.

Alberto Jegga

Thank you. Good morning, everybody, and thank you for the presentation.

Alberto Jegga from Equita SIM. My first question is on Carrefour.

If you can provide us some details on the capex that you are expecting to spend this year for these initiatives, and in general, which kind of cash profile should we expect in 2026 from Carrefour? The second, on the reported numbers, because you ended 2025 with a net financial position that is much higher compared to your indication in December.

Wanted to understand if the positive surprise came more from the Carrefour free cash flow in the last part of the year, or on the, let's say, organic side of the business? My third question, on the current trading, what are you seeing in this first months of 2026 in terms of volumes, and most of all, in terms of costs, considering this situation in Middle East and the potential impact that you may have on cost side?

Thank you again.

Rocco Sergi

Okay. Regarding the capex in investment, we have at the moment the very strong commitment on the two different capex: the structural capex to investment for the mid-term, yield regarding the some strategic position in store.

We have the some investors we invest in regarding to buy the strategic store, in particular in main city or main area where we considering very strategic for our business. Also, if you considering in 2025, we invested total increase through in the store about 40 million, including in cash position.

In any case, remain very strong net financial position on the group. Regarding the positive impact on the Carrefour, there is two points.

The first point, I believe the analyst or the investors don't considering the real data to acquisition Carrefour. In my opinion is don't understand the total in cash injection from Carrefour Group is plus 270 million.

This is up to 240 million to cash injection in the group. Indirectly, we have also the extra impact comparable to this data we announcement in the transaction.

The second point, also on the net working capital manage, we improvement our strategy. Also on this side, we have the improvement internally of the Carrefour Group the positive impact.

These two things, I believe to give the strong contribution to this very positive cash situation. Regarding the cost increase in the last months, it's clear we have the good situation in the first 2 months.

From March, we have registration some improvement on the cost side regarding logistics, but at the moment, we don't have impact. It's clear we look at with very strong focus at this direction because, in any case, we advise our customer, in case to remain the this improvement cost, we transfer this cost at our customer.

We advise all customer regarding this possibility, but I don't see any risk for the group because this extraordinary cost is very clear to explaining our customer, and don't see the risk to don't rebate at our customer. No, we cover

Fabio Fazzari

no, we cover all the point. I would like to add something on this last point, maybe also to answer to other question that for sure are coming considering the uncertainty related to the war, etc.

It's important to say that in an inflationary environment, especially related to extraordinary situations like the war, for example, the food industry in particular always got important improvement on the profitability. I think that it's important to remark that our group is getting and could show two important, strong characteristic.

The first one is that, as part of the food sector, each time that there is something that is systemic, all the industry is going to pass through and you have the possibility to transfer the cost. The second point is the profile of our portfolio.

We have a unique, really staple portfolio that usually is benefiting from the downtrade of the consumer. If someone, maybe for the general situations, the uncertainty, the economic cycle, or whatever, want to reduce the spending, there are no other choice below our products.

We have the cheapest protein, we have tuna and we have pulses, we have pasta. It's a very staple portfolio.

If we remember the situation in '22, '23, at the same time, we were increasing prices, at the same time, we were increasing also volumes because the downtrade of the consumer was creating benefit from our group. This is very important to be highlighted.

Giuseppe Mastrolia

I want just to add another piece that, of course, concerning the UK, the fact that we are a UK-based manufacturer, this is really important because we were in different customer meeting, and in this moment, of course, it's really important to have supply from local producers. They want the relationship with us to be as much more important because, of course, logistics inbound to the UK can be more hard, and so they want to leverage more on the relationship with Princes.

Alberto Jegga

Thank you very much.

Massimo Continolo

Good morning, Massimo Continolo, Titan Capital. I would like to leave the main question to my colleagues, just three, if you want, more peripheral questions.

The third one is particularly technical, maybe we can discuss it later if it's too technical. First one is you have underlined the importance of your real estate in the group.

If you can give some more information: how much is fully owned, how much is leased, and the debt attached to the real estate? The second one is just a curiosity.

When you show the result for Germany is underlined 11 plus 11 in volume, but basically the same turnover. That apparently should show huge deflation, or if there are other issues.

The very technical one is simply is not technical in itself, but ROCE has had a very big jump, and I guess there are accounting issue that explain, at least in part, the improvement. I would like to know exactly how was being calculated.

Fabio Fazzari

About Germany, Germany was an example to show that despite in general, this is more visible if we analyze Princes Group plc reporting, that the top line was impacted by the deflation, and this was just an example to say the deflation is there, but the underlying business is growing and is going on very well. In terms of the real estate, this is something that always characterized the approach of the group, because you have to consider that our group is an entrepreneurial group, very pragmatic, very focused on tangible assets, more than goodwill and other things that you can create maybe for one year because a brand is performing well.

This is what I highlighted before showing the balance sheet, that if we analyze the asset part of the balance sheet, we have substantially real estate, which is already amortized, the market value is much higher than the one that we have in the balance sheet, and we have cash. More tangible than this is difficult to find an asset base.

If we analyze the situations for the industrial part, on 33 plants, we have probably two plants that are still leased, and these are plants that we receive from the acquisition of Symington's. One of them of the three plants was bought last year, the other two are remain leased, and probably in the future, if we have the opportunity, we can complete this.

For the rest, all the base of the plants is fully owned. Last year, we also acquired the Royal Liver Building, that is a very interesting example of our approach in the real estate.

Princes is in the Royal Liver Building since more than 100 year, because in front of the Royal Liver Building, there is the Princes Dock that is the site in which the company was created. They were always renting two floors, spending last year was the cost was roughly £2 million.

We bought the building. We, obviously, avoid to pay this 2 million, and we are receiving roughly 6.5 million of other rents for the other tenant that we have inside the business.

All in all, we have a 12% roughly of yield on this investments. This is the way we approach the real estate investments.

In terms of the movement of the return on capital employed, it's clear that so there is nothing, I would say, accounting. The way we calculate is, I think, the usual one, in the sense that we consider the operating results, the EBIT, and we consider the capital employed, that to simplify at the maximum level the calculations could be the net financial position plus the shareholder equity.

It's clear that with the huge deleverage that we put in place this year, this effect, despite we increase the asset base, but this huge deleverage was the main driver of the return on capital employed improvement.

Benedetta Mastrolia

If there are no more questions from the room, we'll take the questions from the webcast. The first question is from Jordan from Amber Value.

He's asking, could you give us any guidance in terms of EBITDA and free cash flow for 2026 and following years, excluding networking capital? How much capex do you project during 2026 and the coming years as a maintenance capex, and how much extra is needed to transform Carrefour into GS?

Fabio Fazzari

In general, we didn't want, considering that 2026, as we explain in the slide, it's a year of transformation, there are a lot of initiatives in place, we would avoid to give a precise guidance. We gave the main, I would say, stones of the development of the business starting from 2028 and the target that we aim to reach in 2030, but we would avoid to give a precise number.

What we can say, and we already also explain during the presentation of Princes Group plc, is that we want to continue to improve the operating profit on the industrial side and to maintain the free cash flow generations above 60%, the free cash flow conversion above 60%. The capex spending on the industrial part remain roughly around 2% of the revenues, because it's important to remember that we capitalize only the grow capex, the rest is a direct cost in the P&L.

This is the reason why our capex on sales is on average lower than the sector. On the Carrefour side, we explain before the initiatives that we have in place.

It's clear that starting from 2028, the year on which we aim to get the breakeven, we will be able to deliver, step-by-step, also a positive cash flow generations also on the retail part of the business.

Benedetta Mastrolia

The next question is: New Princes is trading at EV/EBITDA multiples lower than its peers. How much of this gap do you think is related to limited visibility on the forward run rate following the recent acquisitions, and what key milestones in 2026 should investors focus on as a potential catalyst for a re-rating?

Fabio Fazzari

It's also important to highlight that the both listed company we have into the group are trading below the shareholder equity, and this is something that is really unusual, also if we consider that the net cash available is 1/3 of the market cap. All these point together, it's clear that are making a picture of a company that is objective is undervalued versus the peers, but also in absolute terms.

I think that what it's important to highlight, and probably the investors need to be focus on, is the discipline that we have in continue to delivery what we announced to the market last year: the margin improvement, the cash flow generations, the deleverage, despite we continue to go on with the M&A strategy. I think that combine these two points are the key of the value generation of the company.

Obviously, we cannot direct work on the share price and the share valuations. What we can only do is to continue to deliver.

I think that today the market is not considering nothing, substantially, about the Carrefour opportunity, and I think that the development of the strategy on this side could recreate visibility in coming quarters, maybe to support the the improvement of the of the valuation, but that's it.

Benedetta Mastrolia

Next question from Sergi Soares from Auriga Capital is: what range of free cash flow to EBITDA conversion is expected within Princes Retail in the medium term?

Fabio Fazzari

In the medium term, we believe we have a very strong opportunity to improvement the cash generation. It's clear our expectation is that the positive results is delivery after 2 year to integration internal of the group.

Our expectation is very strong because the platform have a very good opportunity to grow in the business to delivery the very positive performance. Our expectation is totally, positive to from integration, from to changing of model of the business, and also to repositioning of the brand and for also the our offer to our customer.

Benedetta Mastrolia

Okay. Next question from Russell Walk at Fidelity: what is your approach to share buybacks given your liquidity and valuation?

Rocco Sergi

We maintain the stable approach at the buyback. Our data is on our website.

We continue to stabilize the any opportunity. We look at regarding the level of the price.

In the last six three months, we invest about 5 million in the buyback, and we believe this discipline to maintain support to share in case the adverse condition of the market. In any case, we don't want to accelerate without to any particular reason to give support our the value of the share.

Benedetta Mastrolia

Next question is again from Sergi Soares: how do you plan to enter the HoReCa market via Carrefour Italia, now GS, and also what impact do you expect from opening on Sundays?

Rocco Sergi

We believe, in consideration of our hypermarkets, in particular is we have in the some area with the very strong potentially to delivery the activity in the HoReCa market. Our expectation is very positive.

The first step to start the next months and we are in progress with new model, where we considering to delivery the first five hypermarkets in this in the next 3, 4 months. We are sure this model to give the big opportunity to improvement our volume and also to give the very high level of the service our potential new customers.

Benedetta Mastrolia

Next question from Mark Gomez: so regarding real estate, any plan to IPO and bring that hidden value to the group? Any info about capital deployment, quantity for M&A, and can we expect any share repurchases, which we already covered?

If you want to IPO real estate separately. No,

Rocco Sergi

it's clear in our last 6 year, we launched two IPO and we are two company to listed. We believe, at the moment, we don't improvement this activity.

Then

Benedetta Mastrolia

next questions are from Arianna Terazzi at Intesa Sanpaolo. It's several different questions, maybe we'll go through them one by one so you have time to process them.

First question on 2025 cash generation, which came in ahead of market expectations and indications you provided to the market back in December. In particular, we notice a sharp increase in other receivables by over €100 million, and payables now exceeding €1.5 billion that I assume could be related to Carrefour.

Could you quantify the contribution from Carrefour?

Rocco Sergi

The total contribution Carrefour regarding the cash injection and the net working capital contribution is up to 350 million, and this is the Carrefour contribution. The other question is?

Benedetta Mastrolia

The payables.

Rocco Sergi

The payables is in line with the increase, because it's clear that Carrefour activity is different, is a retail business where the normally is net working capital is negative. In any case, we have the more space if you comparable the net working capital typically in the other retail group.

If you considering when we buy to Carrefour, the net working capital is a very negative, and to Carrefour Group to make the cash injection to recovery this negative difference.

Benedetta Mastrolia

The second question from Arianna is: what should we expect going forward in terms of inventory management and normalization? More broadly, could you provide any additional color on net working capital management to allow us better understand what a normalized net working capital to sales ratio should look like post-integration?

It could be helpful understanding how a commercial relationship with franchisees in terms of payment terms also.

Rocco Sergi

Our discipline regarding net working capital management remain with a very strong focus with the franchisee relationship. We introduction a very clear policy where, for us, it's very important the quality of the franchisee, and we want to development the business in this channel, but with the strong commitment regarding to control the payment of our franchisee, because we don't want maintain or to improvement the risk regarding this activity.

Our idea is to grow in this business, but without to improvement the risk.

Benedetta Mastrolia

The other question from Arianna is: longer term, what can we expect in terms of cash generation in light of the mid-term targets you provided with PL breakeven in 2028? Retail breakeven 2028.

What should be the drivers behind this, and are you assuming same perimeter also in terms of proportion of leased and owned assets, and what level of yearly capex for the Carrefour network and we assume sustained this broad perimeter? Yes.

Rocco Sergi

Long term, we cannot expect it. No.

The story of our group to the demonstrate in the last year that we maintained very strong cash generation, and we believe on industrial side, we don't see the different level of the cash conversion comparable the past. Regarding the Carrefour Group, our idea is 2026 remain stable without consuming, excluding the property investment with our choice, because now we buy some very strategic position regarding some store.

For the rest, our approach is to maintain the cash generation without to impact on the capex of the rest. We want to maintain the neutral impact on Carrefour, on retail side.

If we considering this vision, we believe with contribution from Plasmon, the industrial side to improvement the cash generation and from Carrefour side, we are neutral. In this case, we remain very optimistic with very strong cash generation with every the next year.

In any case, at the 2028, our expectation is the strong generation from to start the cash generation also from Carrefour perimeter.

Benedetta Mastrolia

The next question from Arianna is: I would like to ask for some clarification on the income from business combination. If I'm not mistaken, this seems to differ from the indications you provided in previous conference calls.

Could you please clarify the reasons behind this?

Rocco Sergi

This is the prudent approach, because the preliminary data is compliant with previous our information to the market, but after some consideration, when we have the very positive impact in business combination, in the prudent approach to share with our also the some considering, we prefer don't improvement the total in total amount of the business combination. We maintain the minimum level of the obligation level to don't give it on the we excluding all immaterial not material business combination we have inside of the group.

Just to clarify, we eliminate any value regarding the goodwill, also if we have the very strong goodwill internal of the group, and we don't toize any goodwill internal of the group. This is the prudent approach for excluding the any future impact in case this goodwill is not total realizable.

Thank you. Then

Benedetta Mastrolia

last question from Arianna is: we understand that at Princes level, Princes Group level, 70% of energy costs are covered. Can you comment on the possible impact related to the increase of energy, transportation, raw materials, and price at New Princes level?

Rocco Sergi

I believe Fabio to anticipated this answer. We don't see any risk because in our business, we can to pass through any improve real improvement of the cost.

In any case, at the moment regarding the energy, we have the cover, and we don't have the short-term risk. It's clear, if the general situation to remain in this direction, when with the war don't to, stopping in the next 2, 3 3 months, there is a possibility to necessity to improvement some price, but all market have this clear expectation and we don't have any risk on our margin.

Benedetta Mastrolia

We have a couple more questions. We have about 10 minutes to go, 8 minutes to go.

The first one is from Jean-Marc Meillat: can you give us some guidance on the removal of Carrefour fees for brand and sourcing?

Rocco Sergi

At the moment, Carrefour Brand fee

Benedetta Mastrolia

Carrefour, the Carrefour fees. I think he's referring to the central fees, I guess.

Rocco Sergi

At the moment, we don't have the fee from Carrefour Group. We have just to TSA regarding the IT service, but this conclude to finish at the end of June.

In any case, Carrefour Italia have the independent infrastructure, and we don't have the material impact regarding this service. It's a very low level.

We don't see the any, material impact about this service. In any case, all service to conclude at the end of June.

Benedetta Mastrolia

Next question is from Liav Taub: so I have a question regarding the lease agreements between parent companies and New Princes and CLI, Centrale del Latte d'Italia, on the milk and dairy assets. I would like to know what does CLI pay to New Princes annually, and how is that structured?

Does New Princes have the intention to keep the agreement in place?

Rocco Sergi

The level of intergroup lease is very not material number. If you refer the lease to milk business from New Princes CLI is total 5 million is, honestly, is not material made in internal the group.

We have the historical lease from New Property, but this is a very from IPO, New Property to New Princes, New Princes Group regarding some factory, but this data is also in this case not materially comparable the total of the group. The 90% of the asset is owner, and at the moment, we don't see any, material impact.

Also regarding the Carrefour perimeter, we have the very high level of the owner of the property included in the perimeter, where we have the Princes property to close at the end of the year with very positive results. Thank you.

Benedetta Mastrolia

Next question from Mathilde: how are you planning to promote the Princes canned tuna products in Carrefour Italia? How are you planning to promote?

Rocco Sergi

We promote in I believe we start in June. Maybe Giuseppe to know better.

Giuseppe Mastrolia

We are promoting 11 11 SKUs. We are doing some in-store activation that you have seen even in the presentation.

Maybe, Benedetta, if you want, you can show the the the in-store Okay, just to show you. One second.

Come on. Here it is: 11 new SKUs, middle-top positioning, visibility and extra visibility that we're doing into into the stores.

We will start with the hypermarkets and supermarkets. Of course, we will be the first the first tuna on the Italian market is 100% certified MSC.

We want to point out on our sustainability, even in Italy, where sustainability on tuna is not a topic yet. We want to be strong and deliver our product from our factory in Mauritius.

Will be product both skipjack and yellowfin, 100% steak premium range that we produce in our factory for the Italian consumer. There are nine product in a can and two product in a jar, we will have fillet fillet tuna in two versions, with extra virgin olive oil and in brine.

Then

Benedetta Mastrolia

last question: can we expect a faster pace of share buybacks or dividends if the price remains at this level?

Giuseppe Mastrolia

At the moment, the buyback remain our strong commitment, in particular to support the if there is a particular condition of the market, but our idea is to continue to buy back to maintain a good level of to invest, but without to invest a lot of money to reduction to potentially to invest in M&A other activity. It's clear, our cash position to give us the potentially comparable to capitalization to make immediately buyback to 20% without any impact, because our capitalization is a very competitive.

At the moment, we don't really believe this is a very the best choice. It's the best choice to maintain the discipline to buy back, but without to pushing without any reason to improvement our quota.

Also if the main shareholder, for me maybe is very interesting, but I believe this is not the general interesting for all investors. Thank you very much.

Benedetta Mastrolia

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