Mattias Johansson
[unclear] and welcome to the presentation of the Q2 report of Bravida.
Operator
You are now in the main conference.
Mattias Johansson
Thank you so much for that. Welcome again to the Q2 interim report for Bravida.
As always, it's myself Mattias, CEO, who will present this together with...
Petra Vranjes
Petra Vranjes, the CFO.
Mattias Johansson
We will do our best to make sure that you understand this quarter in detail. With that, we start with presenting a very strong quarter.
Net sales 7.6 billion approximately. Organic growth, high 9%.
We were a bit positive surprised when we had 1% organic growth in Q1, and we are following up that with 9% organic growth in this quarter, which is impressive, I would say. EBITA margin up to 7.5% compared to 5.4%, and the order intake up 44%, and even if we have some strong sales numbers from last year as well.
Then the order backlog is adjusted for the sales of Abeka as well, and the order backlog is up 21%, and net debt still on very good, low levels at 1.3. The organic growth, I think it's important to say and also happy to say that we have organic growth in all countries.
The 9% is coming from organic growth in Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Norway. Especially a bit surprised about Norwegian business that are struggling, and so far they haven't produced anything on the big data center that we won a couple of weeks ago.
We have 0% in contribution from acquisitions. We have some positives, but that is actually taken out of the sales of Abeka.
All in all, it's 0% organic growth, and the currency is 0 as well. We see a very good balance between small-sized, average-sized contracts.
Again, the big data center wins hasn't impacted the quarter a lot. We see a good demand from defense industry, normal industry, as well as what we call core business.
Really strong numbers all over the line. EBITA is growing 51% to 570 million Swedish kronor, and the margin 7.5%, as I said.
The EBITA was impacted by non-recurring items of net 118 million SEK, and that is because of the sale of Abeka, but also that we have some restructuring costs taken in the quarter in Sweden. If we look at the last 12 months, we have a margin at 6.5%.
Except for the organic growth in all countries, we also see an underlying improved margin in all countries as well. Really, really nice to see.
Society's transformation benefit Bravida's business, absolutely. Let's see what happens with energy savings.
It's getting more and more interesting, I think, because of what's happening in between Iran and US. I don't think anyone to be dependent on any oil today.
Working with different kinds of other energy sources is good, which we in Bravida are doing. We see continued growth in hospitals and maintaining those buildings.
Reliable security system is getting more and more interesting as well, industrial projects, defense industry as I said, and maybe the ice on the cake is for now data center. We have a really long history of doing that, we are in a good position for now.
If we look at the order intake and order backlog, you should see these numbers as, first, the order backlog in Sweden is lower because of or is impacted, I would say, impacted, it's still higher, impacted for the sell of Abeka, 500 million plus. Then last year in Q2 in Denmark, we had a big order into the books as well, where we announced an 800 million Danish kroner contract with Novo Nordisk, approximately 1.2 billion Swedish.
The Abeka impact in combination with the one big order last year in Denmark is in total 1.7 billion approximately. With that in hindsight, the order intake increase of 44% is even more impressive, and the order backlog increased with 21% is also something that will help us to continue to grow the coming quarters.
You see at the bars that the order intake at 11, close to 12 billion in the quarter, as well as the order backlog, about 20 billion in the quarter for now, is the highest ever. Previously have said that I've been very relaxed with an order backlog around 16 billion, and I have been so.
Now, I would say I'm really excited about the new orders that have come in, and that will of course support the growth going forward. Good orders with balanced risks, and as always when we're discussing large projects in Bravida, we are pricing risk.
We also think that should benefit to a higher margin than the normal or the core business is actually contributing with. We're not only selling to data center customers.
This is a selection of new customer assignments during the quarter. First, to the left, we have been a partnership with Hitachi in Ludvika in Sweden, an industry building where we're helping them with electrics, HVAC, and sprinkler system, and also making sure that they are meeting the requirements for LEED rating.
In Denmark, we have won a new office building to Novo Nordisk Foundation, all different disciplines. In Finland, we have been helping Fazer with their new production facility in Lahti in Finland.
All three contracts are evidence that we are seen as a very strong supplier and reliant supplier to customers who is market leader in their different segments. With that said, we have done data centers.
We will continue to build data centers. Since 2009, we have been part of building data centers on approximately 200 megawatts.
If we look back in the mirror, the data centers have been a bit smaller than they are today, but still we have the knowledge, we have the experience, we know what to do. This is four new data centers that we have won in the past month.
First, the biggest one in Norway to Green Mountain, an order at 4.3 billion SEK. It's planned to start be executed in end of Q3, beginning of Q4 after summer, and it will be finalized somewhere in end '28 or beginning of '29.
Then last quarter as well, down to the left, where we can't disclose the size of the contract, but we continue to work together with the XTX Markets in Kajaani in Finland. That is pretty similar to the case up to the right where we have been building to EcoDataCenter in Borlänge, Sweden, or Kvarnsveden, Borlänge, Sweden, for many, many years.
That is a trend as well where we are looking for partners in our customers but also the customers they are looking for partners to secure the competence, resources to build what should give them some more earnings going forward as well. Then recently, another data center to atNorth in Finland in Kouvola, 2.2 billion SEK.
It was addressed as €200 million in contract value. Also an exciting contract that will be helping our Finnish business going forward with growth as well as margin expansion.
Again, we're doing more than data centers. This is a slide showing data centers or other advanced technology projects.
We are building to Lantmännen in Sweden. We're working with hospital in Denmark, Hitachi Energy park in Finland.
We're doing maintenance and service at Great Belt and Øresund links. We are doing a converter that is called Viking Link in Denmark, and then we are working with airports.
Then to the left, you see a group of data centers, which is a bit smaller. We're not only working with a big hyperscale data centers.
We're also doing what should or might be considered as small data centers, but still important and important customers for us in Bravida. Acquisitions, still a bit slow and a bit tricky to find different ways to actually get the signature on the contract.
We still think that the targets we are looking at is not good enough, and the one we really want to buy is a bit hesitating because they have been handling the downturn in the market in a really, really good way, they want to wait until their earnings have picked up again. The activity is high, and it's always on our agenda, and I hope, and I think, that there will be some more activities in the fall after summer.
Still a bit too calm, I would say. We know we have the balance sheet.
We are willing to do acquisitions. We think it's a good idea to do it.
Meanwhile, we don't find enough of acquisitions, we are continuing to focus on other restructuring measures within Bravida, but also use some of the money, for example, to a buyback program. I guess when I hand over to Petra now, she will say something about that later.
Petra Vranjes
Yes, thank you, Mattias, and great insights in some of the businesses that you share. Now we will go into the countries and the segments as usual, and I will start with Sweden.
Sweden's net sales landed on 3.6 billion, which is, as Mattias was mentioning, all the segments are up, and Sweden is up 7% year-over-year compared to the 3.4 billion last year. In Sweden, the organic growth is 8%, and this is because we are adjusting for acquisitions and divestments in the same bucket.
In this case, we have a divestment with Abeka. We also have an acquisition, which is still reporting in Sweden, that's Conductor.
For the last quarter this time, they are reporting in acquisitions as well. All in all, acquisitions is down 1%, bringing the overall organic growth to 8%.
Looking at the market and the business, we have solid demand in the northern part of Sweden, and the southern part of Sweden is picking up on the demand side as well. Slowly, gradually starting to pick up there.
Installation and service ratio is 53% to installation, 47% to service in this quarter. With these numbers, we are landing on an EBITA margin of 5.7% in the quarter.
When we compare that to last year's 6.1%, we should remember that there is a restructuring charge going in, which is 40 million in this quarter, and we have guided on 70 to 90 million in restructuring. We have now during the first half-year reported 60 million and are expected to report another on the lower end of the 70 to 90 million into Q3.
On the EBITA margin, when we we adjust for the one-time effects, Sweden is reporting 6.8% in the isolated quarter. Looking at the order intake, as you can see, we have taken in orders for 3.6 billion close to, and that brings us to a total backlog of 7.7 billion.
In the backlog, we have the Abeka divestment, so that is reduced in the backlog with 560 million approximately in the in the quarter and in the backlog. You will see that for the year as well, and I think Mattias also mentioned that.
That's Sweden. If you look at what we have done then with the divestment of Abeka, you get a full picture of the transaction.
The full transaction went through on April 1st, and it has generated 158 million of capital gain for the company. That capital gain is reported in the income statement as other income, and it's also reported on the group segment, it's not reported in segment Sweden, but in group segment.
Net cash flow proceeds that are impacting the second quarter are 208 million. They are reported as within the investment activities, they are not affecting the operational cash flow nor the cash conversion rates.
Then the order backlog that I was just talking about, the 560 million, which we have reduced, they are impacting the segment Sweden since Abeka was selling in segment Sweden, so that's reduced in that segment. Why we are selling Abeka?
We have already gone through this. It is not one of our core business.
It is also not part of our strategy plan, it's not the perfect fit. Okay.
Abeka revenues was reported with 470 million approximately on a yearly basis and 36 million in margin, and we will adjust that within the acquisitions and divestments for the coming quarters as we do with acquisitions as well. Going to Denmark.
For this quarter, Denmark has reported a net sales of 1.9 billion, and that is up 10%, and Denmark is now showing a growth of 11% organically, since they have an impact on currency with negative 1%. With this, Denmark is having a double-digit growth for the first half-year 2026.
The split, 55%-45% on installation and services, generating then a EBITA margin of 5.1%, and Denmark is executing on the transformation and recovery plan, and they're doing it according to plan. Margins are landing as we were expecting, and this is done by selective projects and work on the cost side.
In Denmark, we have a decreasing order intake, we have -33%, landing on 1.9 billion for the isolated quarter. Last year's second quarter, we had a large industrial order, and Mattias mentioned that, also to which customer, so that's approximately 1.2 billion that came in last year, and that will skew the numbers a little bit on the year-year comparison.
If you see that Denmark is still sit having a order backlog of 4.6 billion, which is a stable and good order backlog. Looking at Norway, where we have the reported net sales on 1.5 billion compared to 1.3 same quarter last year, Norway is up 11% with a organic growth of 5%.
We are also having a positive impact on the currency exchange rate and a small impact on the Norwegian acquisition, which will be we will be reporting until Q4 this year. Splits on the business, 40%-60% on installation and service, and that brings us to a margin of 6.1%, and as you can see, Norway has improved the margin with 30 basis points, sorry, 20 basis points over the over the year.
Also on the first half-year, you can see the improvement in the margin, and we're expecting Norway to continue improving somewhat with the higher sales. In Norway, we have reported the Green Mountain contract of 4.3 a bit over 4.3 billion in order intake this quarter.
With that, we're landing on 5.8 billion in order intake and a 6.6 billion backlog. As Mattias was mentioning, this order is expected to execute on from end of this year and throughout '27, '28, and a bit into '29.
Finland, 650 million in revenue, up from 552, brings Finland up 18%, and it is also 18% in organic growth, since the currency currency impact and acquisitions are approximately the same, but with the with the in the different directions. In Finland, we're reporting an acquisition, which will be continuing to report until end of this year, also into Q4.
Finland is also on double-digit growth on the first half-year this year. In Finland, we are seeing a gradually improved market as an underlying market.
The data center market, I'm sure you have all noticed, is very good and improving, but there's also an improving underlying market, and we have a 70-30 split on the installation and services. With the increase in net sales and with focus on cost, Finland is now improving the EBITA margin and is landing on 3.2%, which is a a good improvement from the 2.7% where Finland has been reporting last year.
On the order intake, we are seeing a flat order intake in the isolated quarter. However, the backlog has increased with the most recent orders taken that we have reported in Q1 and before, and the most the latest news on the Finnish data center is not included in this report because that was after Q2 closing.
Okay. If we then go to the financial positions, we are having a a cash conversion of 77% compared to the 80% last year, and with that, you can see that we are also reporting a 1.3 times net debt to EBITDA ratio.
In our loans and papers, we do have approximately 5.3 billion of potential loans that we can take, but they are utilized to 2.5 billion, with the leasing 1.5 billion, as as mentioned, and 1.3 in the net sales to EBITDA ratio. If we exclude the leasing, we are on 0.9 net debt to EBITDA ratio.
We also have a cash position, which we are talking about a lot, so that is our disputes and outstanding outstanding payments, receivables. With that, we have a ruling in the Norwegian dispute with the Stavanger University Hospital.
The ruling came in in June of this year, and it was to the large extent in to Bravida's favor, and the ruling is obliging SUS to pay 320 million Swedish kronor for installation work and 145 million in interest and legal costs. The ruling can, though, be appealed until beginning of September '26.
Finally, Mattias mentioned a little bit about the share buyback program, and as you can as you have seen, we have had the share buyback program running in Q2, where we have concluded. The program was running until July 9th, and we have repurchased 863,100 shares to the average price of 115.85 Swedish kronor, and the total amount amounted to 100 million, as we stated in the beginning that we would utilize for buying back shares.
The board has also decided today to to carry out an additional buyback program during the third quarter of the year, and we are going in with 100 million for buyback for that buyback program, which will be conducted from August 13th and concluded before the Q3 report is released. That's with the buyback.
If you look at the sustainability reporting, we have the LTIFR on 5.3 compared to 5.2 in the last year last year's second quarter. We have a target of 5.5, and we're working proactively to decrease the rate.
Proportion of vehicles, electrical vehicles is 50% compared to 40% a year ago, and the target there is 57% until the year 2029, we are well in the reach. Change in CO2 emissions, scope 1, 36%, also improving quite nicely to the 22 last year, and the target there is 42% reduction until 2029.
The change in tonnes is, of course, following the earlier target, 35% there. With that, I invite you back in.
Mattias Johansson
Thank you, Petra. We have improvement in close to all KPIs, that's good.
Just a reminder, strong second quarter in general, overall, I would say. 9% organic growth is not too bad.
Petra Vranjes
Not too bad.
Mattias Johansson
No. 7.5% margin.
Petra Vranjes
It's also decent, huh?
Mattias Johansson
Yeah. An EPS 2 krona and 10 öre, I think that is up 60%, which is good as well.
Cash conversion, we know it's a bit weak for the moment, but we also know the reason why. We are not worried.
We know that that will be improving the coming months, quarters.
Petra Vranjes
We are not worried. We know it will be improving, yes.
Mattias Johansson
Yeah. Then we have a very strong balance sheet, 1.3 times, yeah, net debt.
Then the LTIFR, a bit higher, but we are on quite good levels now. We're not happy or satisfied with that, but it is getting more and more trickier to improve that number, but we do our best.
Solid and exciting platform for long-term value creation is the headline of this slide, and I agree to that. Strong organic growth, improved margin, we have a significant increase in order intake and order backlog that will help us continue to develop Bravida going forward.
We see that we are very attractive from both our customers and partners, as well as existing and future employees, which is good. We are now entering into new mode for many quarters, a couple of years now.
We have actually taken out resources. My ambition and the whole management group's ambition has always been to create a stronger company in this downturn so we can leave the downturn as a better company than we were when we entered it, and I think we are on our way to doing that.
We have transformation in the society that gives us some tailwind, high customer trust as I said, and attractiveness both to new as well as existing employees. We are seen an attractive employer, and that is good.
Financial position, as Petra just told you about, is good, close to fantastic. We are ready to invest that in future growth.
Our market position gives us the opportunity to have a balanced portfolio of large, small, medium-sized contracts, as well as a very high service revenue. This is a really solid and exciting platform for long-term value creation, as we say on this slide.
With that, before we open up for questions, next report is coming out 23rd of October. Are we looking forward to that already?
We have a lot of things that we should do before that, but...
Petra Vranjes
We are looking forward, yes. Yeah.
Then
Mattias Johansson
you have the year-end report in February. I think we open up for questions.
The rest of the dates you can find on our website. Some questions, I guess.
Operator
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The next question comes from Oscar Rönnkvist from SEB. Please go ahead.
Oscar Rönnkvist
Thank you, and good afternoon. I wanted to start off with the data center order, which you seemingly have quite a good momentum on.
Could you share any thoughts on the margin here? I know you talk about more complex projects being a little bit higher in margin in general.
Can you steer us in sort of any direction here or comment anything of the sort of magnitude when you have this large backlog, how that could affect the margin on a project level? Thank you.
Mattias Johansson
Yeah. I think this is, as you say, an exciting market, an opportunity for us, and that's also why we are a bit cautious about what we should or will want to disclose or not because there is some competition in the market.
We think we are ahead of the rest of the competition, we are for competitive reason a bit more cautious in what we are telling the market in this segment. As always, when Bravida is doing and looking at large projects with a slightly different types of risk, it's not always the risk is higher.
The size as such gives another perspective on the risk, but we are always pricing the risk. It's not only what we're doing, it's also the contracts we are signing.
I think that's the reason why we're not letting our branches work with this because there are complex contracts taking our own lawyers many weeks to actually agree upon what should be said in the contract. In general terms, you can expect a higher margin in those contracts that we have in the rest of the business, and I think that is what we will say, and yeah, I think I stop there.
Petra Vranjes
Yeah. A
Mattias Johansson
balanced contract with risk and reward, I would say. It's a couple of things.
It's the pricing and the margin, as you ask about, but it's also the terms in the contracts we are agreeing upon. That is important as well.
Oscar Rönnkvist
Got it. Got it.
Thank you. Then just want to hear about any sort of cannibalization potential from this.
I assume that there could be some bottlenecks and that you maybe filling up the capacity that you have with these very large orders. Can you expand anything on how the sort of underlying businesses developing during a contracts as such?
Do you see significant cannibalization, or you have obviously talked about using subcontractors, etc. Any qualification would be helpful.
Mattias Johansson
I think it's a good question. There is a risk of cannibalization, as you say, but our main focus is to do this as well, not instead of.
Then if we take the Stavanger area where we are working to Green Mountain, our local resources, they are supposed to continue to service the existing customers that they have had for the last 20, 30 years. We are not leaving the old partners, the loyal partners to us.
We will continue to do that. Then on the other hand, of course, a lot of people in Bravida, they want to be part of these projects, it's a fantastic opportunity for us to foster new talents, give talents throughout the whole group, give them the opportunity to travel to Finland, Norway, whatever, to learn how to run large contract projects.
We will give them that opportunity, of course, but the main part of resources in the Stavanger area, as well as in the Finnish area where we are going to build to atNorth, they are supposed to continue to work with existing customers, and then we will use some to the data centers, and then we solve the rest with new hire or subcontractors.
Oscar Rönnkvist
Perfect. Thanks.
I just have one more question regarding Sweden. Looking at you have taken some restructuring costs, just wondered about the underlying run rate here.
If we adjust for the restructuring costs and look at the margins, is there more to do, you think, in terms of the underlying margin development on the cost side of things? Or should we see that the underlying margin now reflects the run rate that you're supposed to have, excluding any sort of project ramp-ups in data centers that could expand the margin, etc.?
Petra Vranjes
No, it's a good question. We are doing the transformation in Sweden, and as I said, we are going to finalize that exact transformation here now in Q3.
Is there anything else we can do or more? There's always things we can do, and I think there's always things we are doing, we are focused on securing that we're delivering in the best ways, that we have the best setups, and that we have as little, for instance, administrative burden as possible, on top of that we're doing an efficient setup and know how to deliver.
We're not really looking at any new transformative piece, but as an everyday business and all the time on execution, Sweden is looking at the organization there, Norway, Denmark, Finland as well, what they can do more efficiently and how they can maximize the benefits for Bravida. We don't see that as a transformative.
Will that always impact the margins? We do think that we are working on the margins, and we want to keep working on the margins, but not everything will impact the margins when we do more efficiencies, because we also do investments in new contracts, new sales opportunities.
I think you should think that the underlying margin in Sweden is probably where it should be when you take away the restructuring cost at this moment. Then of course, everything depends on what type of contracts we bring in and how the business looks like, the underlying business.
It can fluctuate a little bit up and down, but I think you should view it as where it should really be, approximately.
Mattias Johansson
Agree. 100%.
Petra Vranjes
Yeah.
Oscar Rönnkvist
Understood. Thank you very much.
Mattias Johansson
Thank you, Oscar.
Operator
The next question comes from Simon Jönsson from ABG Sundal Collier. Please go ahead.
Simon Jönsson
Hello, and good afternoon, Mattias and Petra. Thanks for taking my questions, and also congratulations on all the strong numbers here.
First off, I wonder if you can expand a bit on the strength in Sweden, especially the acceleration compared to recent quarters, both in terms of the stronger sales growth and also the a bit surprising strength in the margin here adjusted for the one-off. If you can sort of say if there were any specific one-offs here in this quarter or where the underlying drivers came from?
I think you wrote about northern Sweden being a big driver here, but if you can expand a bit more on that, would be great.
Mattias Johansson
I think sometimes we try to simplify the world too much maybe, but I'm very proud of all the different countries actually. We have been working for a couple of years now of taking out cost, adjusting the sizes of branches where the demand is a bit lower.
The things they have done locally has been fantastic. When the market comes back a bit and you have some support from the growth, you get plus, plus, plus, and then the margin goes up.
I think this is not just luck and created by a better market, it's also a lot of management people in Bravida who has been struggling and done a lot of good things for a couple of years, and now it's paying off. I'm so happy for them, and it's of course good for us to see that it's working.
A combination of hard work, smart things that they have been doing, and then you have some tailwind from the growth in the market as well, and then the margin comes up. Do you want to add something, Petra?
Petra Vranjes
No, I fully agree, yeah. No one-offs.
Mattias Johansson
Exactly, yeah.
Petra Vranjes
Yeah. Exactly.
Except the one that we are listing, the restructuring, but no other one-offs. Great.
Simon Jönsson
That makes a lot of sense. That also takes us to my next question here.
I think it was impressive that you delivered this sales growth, with continuing to reduce the headcount on a sequential basis. I know you have said that you have kept some slack in the system here through the downturn to be able to deliver here once growth in the market comes back, and it looks like this is what we see right now.
I wonder if you have sort of closed that slack now, you think? Are you more on full capacity and need to start to recruit more now to deliver further growth?
Or where are you if you have slack in the system, to speak?
Mattias Johansson
I think we still have slack in the system because we still don't see a very good market in the south part of Sweden. Sweden in total is good, but we still see some differences.
There is still some slack, absolutely. What was the other part of the question?
Petra Vranjes
Do we need to
Mattias Johansson
Hire, absolutely. I'm really really happy to say that we want to hire new people in some areas, of course, and yeah.
You said something about the growth as well, Simon, that, yeah, you can say if I should give you something, we had a strong growth in the quarter, but it was actually even better in the end of the quarter than it was in the beginning of the quarter.
Petra Vranjes
Yeah.
Simon Jönsson
Great. Thanks for that.
Just as a follow-up on that, I think you also stated that you need to recruit some new personnel for this larger data center orders. You also think that you will start to recruit more broader?
Mattias Johansson
In some places, absolutely. I see more and more when I'm out on the social media and looking, I see several branches within Bravida who is now hiring, and I think this is a fantastic opportunity for talents in the industry or in adjacent industries that want to be part of a historical moment to build new exciting things that can help the society to develop.
If you know someone who wants to do a career change to a market leader in an industry, they are welcome to Bravida.
Petra Vranjes
Agreed.
Simon Jönsson
I will look around. Just lastly here, timing on the latest data center project, the Kouvola, if I pronounce it correctly.
Have you anything to say about that?
Mattias Johansson
No, it will actually start. It's not an exact date, but let's say it will start and ramp up a bit in the third quarter, and then it will be ramping up throughout September, October, November, and then I think it will be full steam ahead until it's finished.
Simon Jönsson
All right. Finished, have you said anything about?
Mattias Johansson
I think we said '28, '29. It's not decided to 100%, but in the beginning of '29, I guess.
Mhm.
Simon Jönsson
All right. Thanks, that's all for me.
Mattias Johansson
Thank you.
Petra Vranjes
Thank you.
Operator
The next question comes from Anders Åkerblom from Nordea. Please go ahead.
Anders Åkerblom
Hi. Good afternoon.
Just a few questions from my end. Firstly, it would be interesting to hear you elaborate a bit on sort of how the competitive landscape is sort of reacting now that the market is improving and returning to growth.
Sort of the contracts that you're signing now and maybe some of these larger projects in the pipeline, how do you see that developing from a competitive standpoint, from margin standpoint would be interesting to hear.
Mattias Johansson
I don't know, but I expect that they also see some kind of light in the tunnel. What we are saying or telling our people internally is that the prices will go up soon even more.
If you haven't noticed it, be careful. Protect yourself in contracts through index clauses, whatever.
Price a bit higher because I think that the market will develop to the better. I hope our competitors see the light as well, and that will of course create a better environment in the whole market, and that will be another support for our margin development going forward.
I can't see anything yet, and I guess if you look and ask all the 300 branches within Bravida, I think they have different pictures of how the market looks right now. That's why it's so important for us to tell them that the turnaround is around the corner, and it might be next month in some areas, and it will maybe take another quarter or two in some other places before it turns, and maybe it's not turning at all.
We need to stay focused on the cost, make sure we're doing the right things, working with the right customers who can pay, because I think the last years have shown and learned everyone that doing business with partners that is not financial stable is a stupid thing. We are looking to partners that wants to work with us and can pay, and I think that's why they're hiring Bravida as well.
I think we have an advantage compared to some of the competitors because we have a financial stability when it comes to slightly larger projects that not everyone has, and that is important in those contracts. I'm looking forward to the pricing environment going forward, but we haven't seen it yet.
Anders Åkerblom
No, makes a lot of sense on the pricing side. I also wanted to follow up a bit on sort of your capacity to support these larger projects that are coming through.
Could you give any more detail on sort of the actual sort of split between sort of internal headcount and subcontractors or new hires, since you don't want it, of course, to cannibalize on your bread and butter business? How many of the employees, to speak, for the EcoDataCenter, as an example, are sort of subcontractors, if you're able to say?
Mattias Johansson
No, we don't have an exact number for that. Again, I think you said it, it's some kind of optimization between our own resources.
We, of course, want to have a core in those projects with our own resources to know the Bravida way, how to produce, we get the reporting in place, we are actually able to be in control over the projects. That's one thing.
Then you can subcontract some of the things, and the mix there is different from Norway to Finland, maybe. Again, it's so important to continue to serve existing and loyal customers and partners that we have been doing.
We will continue to do that. Then we can hire new resources locally, of course, to take in local organic growth, and then we are sourcing some from the subcontractors.
I don't know. We don't have an exact numbers, but the majority will be external resources, at least.
That is something I can give you. A lot more than that, maybe.
Anders Åkerblom
Okay. Thank you, Mattias.
Appreciate that. Finally, just on cash flow, you mentioned it briefly, but if you could elaborate a bit on sort of the slightly weaker sort of cash flow in the quarter, and maybe when we should expect some of these milestone payments, etc., to be reflected in growing year-over-year cash flow generation.
Petra Vranjes
Absolutely. On our cash flow positions, we do have a good cash flow, the net debt to EBITDA is, as we mentioned, 0.9 excluding the leasing.
It's a very good cash position. In the comparison and in the execution and just the operational cash flow that is going in that we are measuring, that's where you see the fluctuations.
We do have years and quarters where we have very high inflows and quarters and years when we have lower. That's the strength of the stability that we have in our balance sheet, that we can actually afford that.
When it comes to the specific contracts we have been talking a lot about, it's just to show a large contract in play coming in with for us then in the cash position large advances for the contract. It's just normal advances for the contract, just much bigger contracts, and then execution on that takes it down.
Right now, we are in the execution of, for instance, the Bypass Stockholm and a couple of other large contracts, but that one is the one specifically creating this cash flow fluctuation. We are expecting the new contracts, not just expecting, most of our new contracts do have a advance with them, carry on.
When you have the smaller, you won't have the fluctuations in the same way, you will actually have it just small fluctuations on the top. With large contracts, we are expecting that it will be visible for all of us when advances are coming in and we will have stronger cash inflow.
To the specific Bypass Stockholm, they are paying on their acceptance terminology and on the execution, so that's working absolutely to plan. It's going to continue working to plan.
Where you will see Bypass Stockholm picking up, well, it's picking up already now on the positive side in the next quarter, but then you won't really see it because you see the entire Bravida. I will see it, but you won't see it externally.
What you will see externally, maybe, from the Bypass is somewhere '27, but that depends on the other cash flow coming in. If we have large contracts going in and out, it's difficult to see one single contract how it behaves.
We are absolutely expecting cash inflow from the contracts we are signing with advances, and on top of that we are expecting for instance, the SUS, Stavanger Hospital, if that comes to a closing, that might give a cash inflow as well. We want to wait and see how that develops.
Mattias Johansson
I agree to 100% what Petra is saying, but I think if we take a step back and lift the discussion a bit, we know that we have a cash conversion at around 100% for the last five-plus year.
Petra Vranjes
Yes.
Mattias Johansson
Years. When we have these large contracts going forward now, I think the variation in a certain 12-month period will be even bigger.
I think we need to or you need to look at the cash conversion in a longer periods as well. Because let's say that SUS, the Stavanger University Hospital, had decide to not appeal the ruling we got in Q2, then we have had many
Petra Vranjes
A big inflow, yeah.
Mattias Johansson
a big inflow, and then the cash conversion, I guess, had been fantastic. Now, they haven't decided yet, let's see what happens.
On the other hand, we know that we have large contracts with a big inflow coming for the coming quarters. I think the cash conversion is a bit low momentarily now, but if you look at a longer period, it is where it should be.
Petra Vranjes
Yes. We do think we should be looking at it for a longer period in order not to be too happy now if we get a lot of cash inflow.
Because that is coming,
Mattias Johansson
exactly.
Anders Åkerblom
Yeah. Thanks a lot for that detailed answer.
Just really quick follow-up on that. Could you share anything about the advance payment, sort of what share that could amount to
Petra Vranjes
in terms of the
Anders Åkerblom
percentage term of the contract?
Petra Vranjes
Right. We don't go into each and every contract, but a typical contract in our business carries between 5% and 15% of advances, I would say.
I don't know if you would say something different.
Mattias Johansson
No, but I think That's
Petra Vranjes
typical,
Mattias Johansson
yeah.
Anders Åkerblom
Okay. Thank you very much.
I'll get back in line.
Mattias Johansson
Thank you so much.
Operator
The next question comes from Johan Dahl from Danske Bank. Please go ahead.
Hi,
Johan Dahl
just a quick question in your sort of PMO special projects operations. Obviously they've been quite successful recently, but if you look on the work they're doing right now, is that projects that are sort of in a similar time frame, i.e., from '26 to '28, '29, or is that capacity already filled in terms of data center work?
Are you looking more towards replacing these major orders that you announced recently?
Mattias Johansson
No, but I think the central PMO we have is the reason why we can win those large contracts together with the local organization on country level or region level, whatever. Of course, we want to continue to develop that part of Bravida as well.
As always, we are building it in a solid way from the ground. You need to start with the base before you go to the next level, and we have been doing that for many months now, we have extended the team.
We'll continue to do that, and of course, we want to maximize the opportunities we have in the market.
Petra Vranjes
I also think that what we are leveraging is the know-how on how to execute on these large projects, then when adding new projects, that's really what we're leveraging, so that the team that we have in hand is taking in other resources that they are building on, but still using the know-how that we have in the PMO. It's not like we cannot take in more contracts.
We can still do that even if it's in the same time frame. Not all the contracts are in the same time frame, I would say.
Yeah. Then
Mattias Johansson
I would say that when I have the chance as well, and this is to our own branch managers, as well to the competitors, I guess. This is a different type of sport.
I think I told you in a meeting, was it last quarterly review or was it some kind of capital market days and in some of the banks where we actually said no thank you to one client because their contractual terms is too tough. You are risking the whole company if you're working with this company.
If you don't know what you're doing, first you need to know how to build it, but then you need to understand what contracts you are signing. If you don't have a legal or a couple of legal persons hired internally who know the risks in this industry and know what risk you are willing to take in your company, then you should stay away from this type of business, I would say.
Honestly.
Johan Dahl
All right. Just a final question on installation material cost inflation.
Would you argue that that had a material impact here in Q2, or is that still ahead of us? How have you mitigated that, if at all?
No, but
Mattias Johansson
it's part of Q2, but I think it's still ahead as well. I think it depends on when the agreement is expiring, when you are signing new agreements.
Some agreements is expiring in Q3, then you have to sign new agreements on new levels. Our central procurement team is of course working hard to make sure that we get the best terms possible, and then we have the best terms in the industry.
That is what they are hired to do, and they will continue to focus on that. Then you have an information side of that work as well.
When they see that they can't maybe keep the prices down, then we have a structural way to train and inform our branch managers, region manager, the management how to price and protect themselves in the contract. I think it will be part of our daily business until the core of that problem is solved.
Mhm.
Johan Dahl
Thanks a lot.
Mattias Johansson
Thanks.
Operator
The next question comes from Jakob Söderblom from Carnegie Investment Bank. Please go ahead.
Jakob Söderblom
Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my questions. Just to get started, I have two main ones, and I'll start with one then on the atNorth.
There have been some questions already on it, I'll keep it short, but are there any clear comparisons or differences compared to say the Green Mountain project that you also announced regarding say the phasing of the revenue or contract structure that you can tell us more about?
Mattias Johansson
Again, we want to be a bit careful about what we are disclosing and not, but pretty similar. There are some differences, absolutely.
For example, it's some differences in design, who is delivering some of the large critical material, etc. In perspective of time when it should be starting and ending, I think it's pretty aligned, isn't it?
Petra Vranjes
I think so. Yeah.
On the revenue side, we're taking percentage of completion. As we build and go, we're taking the revenue.
Jakob Söderblom
That's good. Thanks for that.
Also just thinking about and trying to understand how extraordinary this momentum is that you're enjoying in this business right now. What can you tell us about the sales funnel going forward?
Is it that now you checked these boxes here in this number of announcements that you made and it's more of a, say, a gap until the next one, or what can you tell us about the momentum in this [unclear]? No, but
Mattias Johansson
I think the momentum is strong. I don't think we know very much more about the market than you do.
Of course, we hear about plans. Again, we are preferring to work with partners.
If we can continue to work with some customers, clients for many data centers ahead, we are preferring that because I think that is an absolute win-win situation. What they want to have built, we can help them, they know that we know, etc., etc.
There will probably be a lot of opportunities, but we are thinking long-term and try to do the smartest things for us and the client to make sure that we are creating a long-term partnership. We know that the plans in this industry are very interesting going forward as well.
Jakob Söderblom
Thank you for that. Just a final one, perhaps, if I may.
If you could just retrace the message you had on Denmark, how should we view then further improvement in the margin from here? Is it more internal work to be done through efficiency measures, or would you say that it's probably more volume-based, the developments going from here?
Mattias Johansson
Of course, there is more work to do internally. I think I normally say that we are never happy about the results.
We can be proud, and we think it's, of course, nice to be able to present a great report like this, but there is always more things you can do. I am absolutely expecting margin improvement in Denmark for the coming quarters as well.
Petra Vranjes
We are, absolutely. If you just go back on Denmark's story, they are already executing on a plan, and they have already taken in, it's not the start of the story, it's an execution of the story.
They have taken in new orders, thinking about what margins should we take on, what risks should we take on, and those new contracts are executing well. They still have a little bit of legacy left, so that's why the margin doesn't pop up right away.
It has to work through some cycles. Of course, they also have the cost side work as all of us do, but that's not really the big part of their story.
The big part is to transform the business, which they are doing, I would say.
Mattias Johansson
Yeah.
Petra Vranjes
Yeah.
Jakob Söderblom
Perfect. That's all for me.
Thanks for taking my questions.
Petra Vranjes
Thank you.
Operator
The next question comes from Héla Zarrouk from ODDO BHF. Please go ahead.
Héla Zarrouk
Yes, good afternoon, everybody, and thank you for taking my questions. I have two follow-up questions on the financial impact of the new project.
How should we expect the 4.3 billion to be phased over the 2026-2029 period, and what revenue contribution should we expect from this project in H2 2026 and in 2027? In terms of margin, we understand that the margin profile of this type of contract is, let's say, above the group average.
Does the project include indexation or price adjustment mechanism to protect margin against cost inflation? This is my two questions.
I
Mattias Johansson
take the easy one first,
Petra Vranjes
then
Mattias Johansson
you can take the rest. Yes, we are protected.
Then you can take the rest, Petra. All right,
Petra Vranjes
it's good. Hi, Hela, it's good to hear from you.
As we will not be able to go into the details of a specific contract like this is, but we do have, and I think you could take that, too, we have said that the execution of the contract is starting somewhere end of Q3, and then we are expecting the execution to continue to end of 2028 and perhaps into beginning of 2029. That's the execution profile.
I can't really go into the specific profiling per quarter or year on where the revenue will be how much, since that is part of the contractual execution. Unfortunately, I also cannot go into how it will contribute to the EBITA margin, but we have communicated earlier that these contracts come in with a higher margin typically.
There's a bit of higher execution risk since they are long-term contracts. They run over many years, right, or several years.
That's a bit of a risk, it all boils down to how well we execute. We are confident that we have a good execution muscle, but that's what we really can say about the margin, I would say.
I hope that's helpful anyway.
Héla Zarrouk
Thank you very much, Petra. Thank you for your answer.
Petra Vranjes
Thank you.
Mattias Johansson
Thank you.
Operator
There are no more questions at this time. I hand the conference back to the speakers for any closing comments.
Mattias Johansson
Thank you all for listening in. Again, I'm not satisfied, but I'm very proud of being able to present this great report together with Petra, and I'm so proud of all our employees who have been fighting, struggling, done so many good things, and all the hard work they have actually contributed with throughout the last two years, and now it's finally paying off.
Really proud of the whole Bravida team, and also grateful for the trust we get from all our important customers and clients as well. It's going to be really exciting to lead Bravida after the vacation as well.
Because vacation is starting tomorrow for us, isn't it?
Petra Vranjes
It's starting tomorrow.
Mattias Johansson
Hopefully. Let's see.
We get a couple of weeks off, and then we will come back even better after that. Thank you all for listening in, and have a great summer.
Petra Vranjes
Thank you.
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