Lion E-Mobility AG

Lion E-Mobility AG

1.51
EUR
+0.02
(+1.34%)
0.12EPS
6.59P/E
17.92MMarket Cap
Nov 11Next Earn

Q1 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptMay 13, 2026

Jens Hecht

Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. Welcome to the conference call of LION E-Mobility regarding the Q1 2026 results.

This call will be recorded. Currently all participants are in a listen-only mode.

My name is Jens Hecht and I am the moderator today. On the call we have the LION management team: Dr.

Joachim Damasky, CEO, and Jörg Peter Hahn, CFO. First, Jörg will provide an overview on the Q1 2026 financial results, afterwards Joachim Damasky will give an update on the overall business development and the outlook.

After the presentation, the LION team will be available for any of your questions. You will be able to ask questions via the Q&A chat function or you can raise your virtual hand and will be unmuted to ask your question.

For the presentation, I would now like to hand over to Jörg.

Jörg Peter Hahn

Thank you very much, Jens, for the introduction. Good morning, everyone.

Good morning, investors and guests. Please move to the first slide.

Thank you very much. Actually I wanted to present to you a quick overview on the financial highlights first for the first quarter.

Our revenue has reached €3.3 million. This is mainly due to we had inventory effects at customer sites, therefore we had a reduction in the first quarter as every year.

In regarding EBITDA, we have a €0.3 million still positive EBITDA. Last year it was much higher, but we had lower revenue, this is a consequent effect.

Operating cash flow, here we could increase the amount to €3 million because we had continued our cost discipline and we received better payment conditions from our suppliers. Let's go into detail in the P&L.

Looking as we said the €3.3 million, last year we had in the same quarter €6.5 million. Last year we had the transition to the announcement for the SE09 replacement to LION NMC+.

This year are the last orders coming in now or came in. Looking at the own work capitalized, the development projects, it rose to €0.8 million, the last final phase of the R&D for NMC+.

Cost materials, the margin remained stable at 52%. This is as in sync reflection of the revenues.

Personnel expenses was almost stable at €1.5 million. Looking at the operating expenses, they remained stable year over year.

We had the effects also from the increased R&D phase, and so the EBITDA still remained positive and despite the lower revenue levels. The finance expenses, we could reduce to €0.3 million.

This was due to the conversion of shareholder loans into equity. A big thank you to our main shareholder.

Please, yeah, regarding the cash flow, as I mentioned before, we had the €3 million of operating activities cash flows, which is due to the better payment conditions from our suppliers. It also reflects our operating performance, which was quite solid in the first quarter.

Going to the investing activities, as I mentioned, we continued our investments and even accelerated our investments into the NMC+ development. Regarding the financial activities cash flows, it went down to €0.1 million, which is mainly reflecting the repayments for our bank loans.

Next page, please. Overall, looking at the balance sheet, we decreased the total assets to €38.2 million.

We had year end, which is the comparison normally, year-end '25 a reduction from €39.4 million. This was mainly driven by counter-effects: lower trade receivables, then offset by higher inventories due to the planned production shutdown, and the increased capitalized development costs for NMC+.

As I mentioned before, the equity remained stable due to the conversions that has happened already in November last year. Looking at the non-current liabilities, it remained at a still low level at €0.7 million, broadly in line with last year-end '25.

If you look at the current liabilities, it's a decrease to 22.4, and this is reflected, as I said, on the disciplined working capital management, increased as better payment conditions from our suppliers. With this, I want to hand over to Joachim and thank you very much.

Joachim Damasky

Thank you very much, Jörg, for leading us through the financial numbers. Good morning also from my side, and I would now like to report on our current work.

Here we can see the current status from SE09, but also NMC+. The good thing is that we have been coming to an end of the production of the old cell.

We have no remaining cells left, we have been able to sell everything what was available for us. What we now still have in stock is the module spare part stock that we need.

We are calculating a low level of maybe modules that might to be exchanged at the customer, we are now reworking our production line. We will send out the last productions of the SE09 battery to our customers until July '26.

The pre-orders of them have been going that far that they have enough time, especially in the bus area, to do the integration. We have done this already for a few customers, but there's still some work to be done for the integration into the vehicles.

That what we need to have in our stock, electronic components like BMS, S-Boxes, whatever is necessary, we do have in stock. We have some modules, we have no cells left, and we have the battery packs totally sold.

We will be able to produce spare part packs if it's necessary, but for the time being, we have no packs in stock. Production line is going in time.

We are doing this together with Thyssenkrupp. We have been starting already for the end-of-line testing and the module phase-in into the pack production line.

We are now setting up the new cell stacking. This is necessary because we have now cells, and between the new cells, we have so-called swelling pads.

That means to enhance lifetime, we give space to the cells for the electrochemical changes during lifetime. I think we all know that due to the new Euro 7 regulation, we have to guarantee 72% state of health of the cells after 8 years or 160,000 kilometers.

This is the reason why we are using now, in coordination with the cell manufacturer SVOLT, the so-called swelling pads. Therefore, we need a new cell stacking and module welding, and the changes are currently running.

We have produced overall roughly 50 battery packs already as C-samples for all the testing. I think I reported last time that we did this to achieve the ECE regulation R100 revision 3.

All the tests have been passed. This has been done by prototype modules, and also the integration at our main customer in the bus area, Karsan.

This is the way how we did this integration, and now we are working on the final serial production. We will have hopefully the release for our new production line late June or beginning of July, but then we will already produce batteries.

Next slide, please. Where we are at NMC+, I think what we should know is that the NMC prototypes and the C-samples have been sent out to several customers.

They are doing the integration work. We are, of course, accompanying them.

We have been several times at our customers, especially for the communication between the bus interfaces and our battery. I think I explained last time also that we are developing a new BMS, because the old BMS that we have been buying as being developed from BMW does not fulfill the current regulation, there was the necessity for building up a new BMS.

You can see this BMS on the picture on the right side. The applications are running.

We have already buses in the field, that means at customers in Portugal and Lithuania. Of course, as normal, there is necessity of software improvements because some of the issues they, and this is totally normal, come up when the buses are in the field, but the customers are happy with the buses, and now we are doing the final changes and the software.

The main sales for the NMC+ battery, that means the 53 kWh, is coming from bus customers in Europe, Canada, and the United States. We are also working on the BMW i3 conversion together with a company that is called Mandrill, and there are already a lot of inquiries.

This is the 120 upgrade, this was the old one, and we are now able, together with them, to do the advertisement to the 147 Ah, what will give the vehicle a driving range of roughly 400 km. We have already a lot of customers who asked for this, and we are now, together with our BMS manufacturer, working on the software integration that it really fits not only in our buses, but also in the serial application of BMW.

We on the other side also have first defense projects running and have some starters. We have sent out a lot of samples, and I will come to this later on.

Next slide, please. Coming to our major bus customers, Karsan as leading customer, together with them we have done the integration.

You see the smaller bus, this is the minibus e-JEST. There is also a bigger bus, it's e-ATAK.

In one of these buses, in the smaller ones, we have two batteries, in the e-ATAK, that means the bigger one, there we have up to five batteries in one bus. We have been working closely together with them to make sure that everything is running under serial application.

We have achieved the whole test phase with them. We have got the road release for our battery, this is the first time that an own Lion Electric an own LION Smart battery has achieved the road release, what means that our software is working also sufficient to the customers' demands.

With Lion Electric, this is a big Canadian customer, and I think I explained some 1.5 years ago that they unfortunately went into Chapter 11, or I think in Canada it's called CCAA. They have been restructuring now.

They are successful back. They are not doing anymore their electric truck business, but the bus business is still going on.

They decided not to continue their own battery assembly in Canada, they are now rely again on our battery packs. We have sold now in the beginning of the old battery several hundred packs already this year, and we have shipped them over the first samples with NMC+.

Our people will go to Canada in the next weeks to make sure that the bus integration also is working. The good thing is that the Canadian government does not follow the political situation in the United States, they will still keep boosting electrification, especially in bus transportation, and this gives us good chances.

They have a full order book, and they rely on our battery. Next slide, please.

We are also working on additional markets, as I mentioned before. The good thing is that our battery has one of the highest gravimetric energy density, that means in comparison to the weight and the energy, it's the benchmark.

This is also very well appreciated by other customers, especially in other areas, what means we are one of the remaining battery suppliers within battery manufacturers within Europe and also in Germany. We have so far resilient supply chains.

We are buying also most of the components, except the cells. Unfortunately, there is no cell manufacturer available in Europe for this kind and that size of cells that we need for our battery.

All the other components, including the electronics, is coming from Europe, and this is very well appreciated by our customers that we are also looking now in the defense market. The customers appreciate also the robustness and safety of our battery packs, we have now a lot of inquiries also from the growing defense market, and also in automated transport, agriculture, but also in mining.

The good thing is that we are also able to help our customers for the integration. Our technicians are working with technicians of, for example, Quantum Technologies, but also others, to make sure that they get the battery that they demand.

Next slide, please. Here you can see a few of the projects we are now working on.

We have with Go Electric an e-harvesting system. We have a battery trailer with at least two batteries.

We are working on UGV, that means ground vehicle, together with Quantum and also Voltrack. The people are very much interested in our battery because this is a battery that is coming not from China, but from Europe, and it's a reliable battery.

This is also one of the focus of the growing defense market to have the so-called unmanned ground vehicles to reduce, in case of any conflict, the exposure of soldiers. This is something where we see, especially with the also changing, let's say, public appearance of defense, also our market where we think that we will be able also to supply our batteries to.

Next slide, please. Still working also on our immersion-cooled battery technology.

We have ongoing projects with truck OEM, where we now have realized a concept for the so-called megawatt charging, so that we will be able within 15 minutes to charge at least 500 MWh into a truck, so that during a break, the truck can be charged again and then can be back on the street. We are still working on a technical feasibility study with a high-performance car from one of the German OEMs.

I think we have mentioned this before. Unfortunately, as I told also last time, the project decisions within the car OEM industry, especially for high-performance cars, have been postponed several times, so that we are still working on the concept, and hopefully we will get also for this a next prototype status for a serial car application.

We are partnering with Castrol, but also with a big German supplier for the cooling oil, but also for the infrastructure in the vehicle, that means pumps, heat exchangers, so that things that we are not producing on our own, and we have now a system that is ready to be applicated. We will show this also on several trade fairs next time, the AAPC in Mainz, together with Castrol.

Next slide, please. Now I would like to switch over to our, let's say, the next step in our BESS business.

I think we all know that BESS has been, that means battery energy storage systems, has been a major part of the LION Smart business in the past, but with the battery pack SE09, this has changed dramatically, also through the availability of LFP cells, but also modules and packs. The whole market with BESS has been changing to LFP, especially to big containers coming from China.

We have started our partnership together with Leap Energy, a daughter of Leapmotor, last year. We are now in the finalization phase for this.

We have been awarded by the first project last year. The containers are already at Hamburg Harbor.

We will build up the part, that means the containers on the groundings, also the inverters is planned for next week, and we hope that we will be able to finalize the electric connections, that means the grid readiness before end of June 2026, then we have realized the project in a very short time, that means less than 8 months, what is also quite benchmark, especially when the containers have been built up. We had also the opportunity for our people to attend the factory acceptance test in China.

Our engineers have been there. They have been educated by Leap for this special kind of containers and the infrastructure.

We have been also working with Sinexcel. This is an inverter manufacturer from China, but we are also working together with European companies as we know that there might be the demand for European-produced inverters and power conversion systems coming from the government to make sure that our infrastructure will be from the software side also under European control.

We have now final negotiations for a second project, 5 MW/10 MWh, what also will be delivered in 2026. We hope that we get it.

We have already the agreement. We hope that we will be able to sign the contracts this week, and I think the pipeline is now full.

We have budgetary quotes given to possible future customers, more than 7.6 GWh with more than 10 customers. We have a very good reputation in the market as being one of the battery manufacturers, also with a long experience and also with a support team that can go out to the containers in case of a failure, but also only for maintenance.

We are also building up now a second source for BESS with Sunwoda. We are working on the Tier 1 the Bloomberg Tier 1 listing together with Leap.

I think this gives us more and more opportunities also in this kind of business. We are also on the next slide, we can see that now improving our sales team.

We have been in China. We have now hired four more sales and business development people here in Garching.

We are now also hiring engineers dedicated to the BESS business because we then not only have to understand the battery itself, that means the DC side, we also need to know what is the AC side doing, what is about the communication between the DC side, that means the BESS and the BMS from the BESS to the power conversion system, that means to the inverters and transformers. This is something that we are currently doing with an external engineering company to do the drawings that is necessary for getting the grid connection allowance, and this is done what we are now building up for both for the side that we can have the support during the offer phase, but also then in the realization phase.

Also we are now doing some building up in the mobility sales team, that means for the NMC+ battery. We have already hired one more person, and we are also looking.

We have the parts ready. We have the availability of containers, of cabinets.

I showed this last time, that means 5 MWh, but also 250 and 400 kWh, and therefore we are now building up our sales team, but also our engineering team. This is the overview on that what we are currently doing.

I would say we are on track. We are well confident to get our turnover target of above €35 million this year.

As we also have shown this, we expect positive EBIT and positive EBITDA, and this would be then the second time in the company's history that we are growing profitable. Thank you very much from my side, and I now would like to hand back to Jens.

Jens Hecht

Thank you, Joachim, and thank you, Jörg. We can now begin with the Q&A session.

If you have a question, please use the Q&A chat or raise your virtual hand and I will put you in the conference. I see a first question from Christian Sandherr.

One second, please. Christian, now you can unmute yourself and ask your question.

Christian Sandherr

Great. Thanks.

Good morning, everyone. Maybe first question would be on the Q1 sales development.

Could you again clarify a bit the reasons behind it? I understood that it is largely driven by the product shift, away from the NMC towards the NMC+, and the resulting fact that a lot of customers pulled forward orders that they would have placed in Q1 into Q4 because you are, as of today, not able to produce new sale packs anymore.

Is that correct?

Joachim Damasky

Yes, this is right. We will start the production in June.

We expect to have between 120 to 140 packs in the ramp-up phase in June, and they are already going to one of our bus customers because we need them then directly there. The larger scale of the turnover with the NMC+ will come then in July.

In June, we will have the ramp-up phase. In May now, we will not produce anymore batteries, we are selling that what we have already produced in the first half of this year, or the first 5 months of this year.

Yes, it is the case that, for the time being, we have had this switch from the old cell to the new one, but everything was done in coordination with our customers so that we can make sure that they can ship out their buses. We have been doing this from end of last year.

They have been informed, of course, two years ago, and we did a proper planning so that they have now the batteries that they need for their buses being produced until July this year, when we look to the abroad markets, until beginning of September. This is the time that we need to fulfill the supply chain with the new battery.

Christian Sandherr

Right. Then looking ahead, how good is your visibility in terms of demand from your bus customers?

Second part of that question, you talked about the BMW i3 conversion. What are your expectations here?

Do you have kind of an estimate of how many BMW i3s that are out there, and what could make sense to convert the battery pack? Just trying to understand with the potential from this.

Yeah.

Joachim Damasky

Also thank you for that question. We have a forecast from our bus customers with that we will be able, in combination with our BESS business, to fulfill our turnover expectations.

We have already from them the forecast what they want to order. We are now working also on contracts with them with also binding minimum order volumes so that we get more visibility.

Of course, we now are also negotiating warranty times that we have to or might have to change due to the new Euro 7 regulation, what at least we know the numbers. Coming to the i3 battery thing, we have a company that is doing this conversion, Mandrill.

They have given us some numbers, but the real advertisement for this, they will start then when the battery will be available, because otherwise, I think this is more or less a end-consumer market and customers will be disappointed if they get not in time the batteries. Because we cannot supply batteries to them before, I would say, end of July, beginning of August, because this is the time that we need to fulfill the supply chain to our abroad customers.

We will start the marketing next month. We have a forecast from their side, but we are sure it makes sense also for other vehicles.

I think we know all that the BMW i3 fortunately has a carbon monocoque structure, so that means corrosion for these kind of cars is not a big issue. We have a lot of people who are asking already for this upgrade, but what we also need to know is that the battery lifetime of the original battery, that means the SE09, is much better than originally planned.

I think we hope that we will be able, only in Germany, to convert several hundred cars, but, of course, it costs, let's say, including the changes, we are talking about prices of, I would say, at least €12,000 to €13,000 for the customer, and this is something that makes only sense if the car still has a current value. We have been looking to that there are some customers who want to have the extended driving range and are willing also to this, we are talking about several hundred of these pack conversions.

Christian Sandherr

Right. Then I have another question on the BESS topic.

Getting Netzanschluss seems to be really hard overall, in the market for containerized solutions. Is this changing your strategy?

Because you could be ready, but the problem is that the customers are not able to get these things connected as quickly as they would like to.

Joachim Damasky

Yeah. You are totally right.

Topic with the grid connection allowance, Netzanschlussgenehmigung, is really something hard, because we have already some grid companies, if you ask for a Netzanschlussgenehmigung, they say, 'Oh, yes, we receive this, but please come back in two years from now on.' This is the reason why we are concentrating, and this has been mentioned also last time, on smaller new systems, especially when you have already this we are calling this co-location, that means systems where you have wind turbine, windmill standing there or where the solar field already is existing there, and there we do already have the so-called Netzanschlussgenehmigung.

On the other side, we are talking directly to the so-called Stadtwerke, that means the local power companies, who then can decides together with the grid company what they do. I think we have less problems with the size because we are talking about main business up to 30, 40 MWh, that means smaller units, where in a lot of cases, the Netzanschlussgenehmigung already exists.

Christian Sandherr

Right. Okay.

Then the final question on the defense topic: do you have any kind of visibility in terms of potential orders in that space? Are these basically trials and testing, or ideas, or is this concrete with structural demand behind it, the products?

Joachim Damasky

I think I have shown that we are here working as second or third source, third-tier suppliers. We are working together, we know the production volumes that our customers, as I have shown them, have in their plannings and what they are now building up for production volume.

This is something that we know. I think we know that especially Koblenz, that means for the German military, the purchasing area, is not the fastest in the world, and they are working also in other countries.

We have protections, but unfortunately we do not have concrete contractual volumes. We are working on the concepts now.

I think this whole overall defense business now is changing. I have been last week at Hensoldt, and they have shown that they have now order entries of €2.5 billion already this year.

They want to grow, for example, up to €6 billion in the year 2030, but, of course, as the contracts are currently under negotiations. This is the reason why I showed you several vehicles that we want to support and not be independent only on one customer.

Christian Sandherr

Yeah. Right.

Perfect. Thanks so much.

Jens Hecht

Thanks, Christian, for your questions. Currently there are no further questions.

If you have a question, please raise your virtual hand or type in a question in the Q&A section. There seem to be no further questions, we would like to end the call for today.

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your attention. If you have any further questions, please reach out to the LION Investor Relations team.

Thank you. Bye-bye.

Joachim Damasky

Thank you very much.

Jörg Peter Hahn

Thank you. Bye.