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Q2 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptAugust 7, 2026

Christian Sgro

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our 2026 second quarter conference call. With me on the call today are VitalHub CEO Dan Matlow and CFO Brian Goffenberg.

After our prepared remarks, we will open up the line to questions from analysts. Please press star one or use the raise hand function to indicate that you would like to ask a question.

Before we begin, I'll read our cautionary note regarding forward-looking information. Certain information to be discussed during this call contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties.

Actual results may differ materially from those set forth in such statements. For a discussion of these risks and uncertainties, please review the forward-looking statements disclosure in the earnings press release and in our SEDAR filings.

As well, our commentary today will include adjusted financial measures, which are non-IFRS measures. These should be considered as a supplement to and not a substitute for IFRS measures.

Reconciliations between the two can be found in our SEDAR filings. With that, I'll hand the call over to Brian to cover financial highlights for the quarter.

Over to you, Brian.

Brian Goffenberg

Thank you, Christian. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining the call today.

We are pleased to report the results for the second quarter of 2026. VitalHub reached a new milestone this quarter, exceeding $100 million of annual recurring revenue.

We closed June at $101.5 million, representing 10% organic growth over the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA margin continued to increase sequentially at 26% in the second quarter.

Some of the key financial highlights for the quarter are as follows: We reported total revenue of $31.7 million, an increase of 33% year-over-year. Recurring revenue, or term license, maintenance, and support segment, was $24.5 million, or 77% of total revenue.

Perpetual term license revenue was $2.3 million. Perpetual license revenue was $800,000.

Services, hardware, and other revenue was $4.1 million, compared to $2.7 million in the prior year period. Our gross margin was 79% of revenue, compared to 81% in the prior year period.

Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $8.2 million, or 26% of revenues, as we continued to gain synergies from the acquisitions of Induction and Novari, compared to $6.3 million, or 26% of revenue in the prior year period. We closed the quarter with $136.5 million of cash and investments and no debt.

We had strong cash conversion this quarter. Our cash balance increased by over $15 million this quarter, benefiting from collection activity and continued platform integration.

Subsequent to quarter end, we completed the acquisition of Buddy Healthcare, and post the transaction, we continue to have over $120 million of cash that we're arranged to deploy on our M&A strategy. As well, with the addition of Buddy Healthcare, pro forma ARR as at June 30th, 2026, would have been approximately $106 million.

With that, I'd like to hand the call over to Dan for an update on the business.

Dan Matlow

Thanks, everyone. Welcome today.

I'm reflecting back. It's exciting to see us get over $100 million of recurring, and I know our people and our staff were really excited about that.

I think when we started this 8-9 years ago, that was a goal, and it's achieved, it just take another one off of the bucket list, and we continue to move forward. A little bit about the Buddy acquisition just before I get into some of the other things.

We're really excited about that. It's an organization that we've been speaking to for 4 years.

The technology is really strong. They're a group that has entered into the UK with it, but it gives us a really strong digital back-door solution.

We already have a very good digital front-door solution with Zesty that is moving through our markets. Our customers have been asking us to say, "That's good that you can get us into the hospital, into the setting, but what about after we leave?

We want to continue to communicate with you." Our plans will be to integrate that with that back-door solution.

[coughs] It also fits in nice with the Strata solution, which does the discharge process, and now we got a way to communicate with the patients as we go through that discharge. We expect, once we get the technology all integrated and so forth, that will be a good addition into our cross-sell methodology.

It's good people, great technologies, and we're excited to add that piece onto it. In respect to the quarter, in terms of the numbers, you see the recognized recurring grow.

Services revenue a little bit behind the previous quarters, but [coughs] it still reflects that services revenue is always tough to nail it 100%. I think we had a $5 million quarter a couple quarters ago, and down here it comes in ebbs and flows just based on revenue recognition and how that gets delivered to the customer.

We're happy with that. We were happy with the way the virtual care renewal process came through, about 85% to 90% of that Attend Anywhere renewal process comes at the end of March.

As you can see that the ARR held up pretty hard for that, we're happy with those outcomes. Revenue contribution came from really all of our products, but mainly from the Zesty and the Care Coordination products, the Strata, and the Novari product.

Novari continues to move through Canada, but what we're really excited about is the momentum it's starting to get a little bit in our UK marketplaces and other markets, but it's a unique solution, and we're excited and think it has great opportunity to do that. The revenue number was offset by still some challenges with our SHREWD product and the SCC that's the system control centers with the ICBs and the FDP and the Palantir-based solutions and along with the mergers and acquisitions.

We had some customers that, I'm going to say, suspended use during the quarter waiting for the outcome of what's happening with the FDP and Palantir situation, just to refresh people. The NHS has a national contract for Palantir, but there's a break clause in that contract in Q1 of 2027, and it's right up at the parliamentary level, and indications are suggesting that product will be getting removed.

Hopefully that will continue that momentum for us on that SHREWD product through the UK marketplaces. In addition to that, we still have renewals coming through, it's just some of our cases.

In other cases, they are renewing. It just depends on the ICB and the approach.

It's a little bit just up in the flux, and we keep working on it. Even with that, we see a really good pipeline of all of our other solutions, and still expect to continue with our organic growth profile.

We've introduced AI products into the marketplaces. There's two We have the protocoling solution that started in the Novari product, but we're starting to move that into other products, and we're starting to see some revenue streams from that.

We're really excited about our transcription solutions for our community services-based work. We've been working on that for about a couple quarters, that's now in the hands of customers to get ratification on that, and we expect that to start hitting the revenue streams hopefully end of this year, but definitely going into next year, we expect that to continue on that place.

We're getting close to the complete integration of the Novari and the Induction transaction, and as you can see, our thesis for both of those two large acquisitions have come to fruition. Our adjusted EBITDA is back to 26%.

We're generating some pretty good cash flow. I think I look back about 6 quarters ago when we're generating about $5 million of adjusted EBITDA, and we're up over $8 million, and our goal is to continue to get that to grow.

That's always been the thesis of the company. I know there were a lot of question marks by people when we did those two acquisitions, both of those were losing money at the time of that, and we've managed to integrate them.

They're producing new organic revenue, and they're adding to the bottom line pretty nicely. We're excited about what our accomplishment was on that, and we continue to still work on it, but it's getting towards the visibility in terms of trying to get that number back up to the high 20s, which we're at.

Also just want to talk about the NCIB. I know as we go through and have met investors, people have asked about that.

We have put it in place. We do think our financial results will continue to improve.

The stock to some degree staying still. We think it is a good value for us with lots of cash to start looking at buying back our own stock.

We decided as a board to put that in place, and we expect to use it as we see how the stock is reflecting and so forth. We do have it in place, and we're working to do that.

We continue to work on M&A deals. We have some large things that we're looking at, and some small things.

The activity still seems to be there in that marketplace, and we continue to go and we do expect to do more M&A through 2026 and forward. We're happy where we are as a company.

We're making money, we're growing, we're adding customers, we got lots of cash for M&A, and we think we're in a good position, and I think we continue to prove our business model, and we're happy with what we've accomplished here. Any questions?

Christian Sgro

Great. Thanks, Dan.

We'll now open up the line to questions from analysts. Please press star one or use the raise hand function if you would like to ask a question.

Today's first question comes from Gavin Fairweather with ATB Cormark. Gavin, your line is open.

Oh,

Gavin Fairweather

hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.

Maybe just on e-referral in the UK. Dan, you mentioned it.

I think you've had some marquee wins in the UK market, which is great. Curious if you've been able to uncover any funding envelopes for e-referral or if this is coming out of general budgets, and do you see the potential for this to become a more strategic priority at the NHS level with some bigger funding attached?

Dan Matlow

I do think the NHS is definitely [coughs] like other organizations is looking to integrate and do a lot of different things. I think if you looked at a lot of the parliamentary-based approaches and things, the NHS integrating into social care and integrating into aftercare and rehab facilities has become a big issue, and we're expecting that to help with the Strata-based solutions to do that.

We know by looking at other markets around the world that e-referral is a needed aspect of it, and we know that the NHS and the UK is behind relative to other places of the world, Canada included, in those particular markets, and we can see the reactions if we get to the right people on what the power of this solution does and how it can automate some of those things. It's like anything else in our market is trying to get momentum, and we closed our first deal about 6-8 months ago, and that's gone live.

The natural processes referrals don't necessarily stay in one region, they cross other regions. Of course, the two regions next to this region have seen what this one region is doing, it only makes sense if those other two regions are now interested, and we're looking at closing some business with those regions.

We're starting to see the behavior that we want in the NHS for those referral-based products, and our sales forces is pretty focused on referral that marketplace, and we are seeing available money for this, the business case is very easily justified for it.

Gavin Fairweather

It's great. Appreciate that.

Then just on Buddy, I've seen Finland healthcare described as pretty digitally mature. Curious what products you think have maybe greenfield opportunities in Finland where maybe there isn't a big amount of competition.

Dan Matlow

I think they have a similar structure to regional-based groups and they've connected regions pretty nicely. Again, we think there's opportunity for the referral-based products within the Scandinavian-based marketplaces.

We also see opportunities for the Intouch-based suite of products in those marketplaces. Those would be the ones that we would primarily focus on.

Similar markets, and our group has some pretty good connections to that. The Buddy product is also done some work in Germany, which is interesting, and they've done some work in that marketplace.

Again, the biggest area where we see Buddy really having opportunities would be in the Canadian and the UK marketplaces, and those are the areas that we focused on. Canada still is lagging behind on the digital back-door-based solutions, and this is a pretty comprehensive one.

The UK is definitely lagging behind on the digital back-door solutions. They've really focused on the front door.

We think we got a solution to help fill that gap, and we'll continue to move in that direction.

Gavin Fairweather

Great. Then just lastly for me on the Ontario Health deal.

Can you just discuss the contribution this quarter to ARR growth, and how would you describe how ramped up you are on ARR versus the initial scope on that deal? Thanks.

Each quarter,

Dan Matlow

I think it's adding somewhere between $500,000 to a million on a quarterly basis, and we expect that to continue on a ramp-up over the next couple years type of thing.

Gavin Fairweather

Thanks so much. I'll pass the line.

Christian Sgro

Thank you, Gavin. The next question comes from Doug Taylor with National Bank.

Doug, your line is open.

Doug Taylor

Thank you. Good morning.

I wanted to drill down a little bit more on the UK market. Obviously the growth there has been flat with some puts and takes, the question is with the impact to SHREWD, some of the pause that you're talking about, is that something that is reflected in the net ARR growth, and you've outgrown it through some other cross-selling?

Perhaps you could help us quantify that.

Dan Matlow

We definitely took some ARR reduction in the quarter with some of the SHREWD work, but that's been offset by other products in that particular marketplace. The net is the number that we've gotten here.

I don't have the exact numbers on my fingertips here, Doug, but yeah, there's some of that that has gone on.

Doug Taylor

Is the idea here that if you get some sort of resolution on the situation as it relates to Palantir, some of that might rebound?

Dan Matlow

Yeah. That's what we're hoping.

We really got two different scenarios that are cooking in here. One is we got these new ICBs that have come together and formed, there's all new people in these particular groups.

Then funding isn't really set up in some of these appropriately. They're going like, "Well, hang on, there's a renewal here.

What's going on here?" We got FDP.

"We're just going to hold here for a couple quarters here till we see what's going on, and then reconvene this thing." It's not like they're putting FDP in these places, all of them.

They're just saying, "We got to suspend this." While in other cases, they're just going on as business as usual, and they're renewing their contracts.

We hope within the next couple quarters to get resolution of that. Even if the contracts are renewed, we still think there's opportunity to continue.

If it's not renewed, we're really excited about that, because we continue to grow. That's the scenario we're facing right now.

Doug Taylor

That's helpful. In next question, you described the integration process for Induction, Novari as being substantially complete or approaching completion.

You can see the EBITDA margins here at 26%, as you say, that's been well executed. The question is, given that EBITDA margins have been higher in the past, is there something about the way the portfolio sits now or structurally that would prevent you from continuing to march the EBITDA higher from here?

Dan Matlow

Every million dollars of ARR theoretically adds, if we don't add more cost, adds as a point of adjusted EBITDA, right? We're still not completed on the other side of some reductions.

There's still some work that's continued to move it, right? The natural increase of new deals will not only does increase new deals, it comes to the bottom line as well.

We continue to march on both of those fronts to fine-tune those things. We continue to work our way through it.

Doug Taylor

Summarizing, cost transformation work largely done, but further efficiencies to scale to come?

Dan Matlow

There's still work to be done, but we've taken a big chunk out of the apple.

Doug Taylor

Thank you.

Christian Sgro

Thank you, Doug. The next question comes from Paul Treiber with RBC Securities.

Paul, your line is open.

Paul Treiber

Thanks, and good morning. Dan, now that the company's passed 100 million in ARR, how do you look at the cadence and the drivers of organic growth from here?

What I mean is, does it become less about individual points solutions in their growth, and more about, perhaps the broader platform and cross-selling? How are you sort of shifting the organization to sustain the organic growth as a larger company?

Dan Matlow

I think a good point, Paul. I think we are.

The Patient Care Coordination platform, as we would describe it, which is really the combination of Zesty, Strata, MedCurrent, Intouch, and MedCurrent. We've done work on integrating those products across different worlds, and we're also adding AI injection into a lot of those based products.

We are working on moving our sales force into a regional-based sales force and giving them those suite of products and merging them together in comprehensive solutions. We're already seeing that in the field, customers asking for these things to be integrated.

Just through osmosis, you get the customer, and a customer already has two or three of those solutions, and they've asked, hey, let's get these things working together. We work with them in the field, we get it integrated, and then we start integrating into other places, and then we continuously add on other based products.

We are moving into that direction on our patient flow suite-based solutions, and we're starting to see it work in the field. The bigger-ticket items and the more complicated ones being the Strata and Novari-based implementations, yeah, we're starting to see some really nice proposals going out for those products and with high ticket and high numbers that get associated with.

We expect those core products to really be most of our engine for our organic growth. We're still seeing work on our TREAT-based product sets, our community services product sets.

We successfully have moved that Caseworks products into Australia, and we're having really good success with that product in those marketplaces as well, and we continue to work on those approaches, but, essentially that's how we're seeing it.

Paul Treiber

That's great to hear. The second question, just on Buddy Healthcare.

With the management team on board and a footprint in the region, does that open you up and give you more insight into other acquisitions in the Nordics region? How would you describe the M&A opportunity in the Nordics compared to other regions?

Dan Matlow

We've done some work on that. There's a couple other scenarios that we know of, and the CEO just told me about one other one yesterday, yeah your question is very much done.

Again, our acquisition targets have really in a lot of cases are companies that were well aware of because we work in the same markets, and we would compete with them or complement them in many different situations. Every time we enter a new marketplace, we get expertise on that market and how that ecosystem works, and what the gaps are in respect to that, and those organizations that fill those gaps and what they do.

We'll definitely explore the Nordics marketplace. It is a pretty interesting marketplace.

It's very similar to our other government-funded groups between the Scandinavian countries. We'll continue to explore it, and we'll continue to look at it.

That is a byproduct you get by entering into another region is intelligence on that region, and how that healthcare ecosystems are, and who the players are in those areas. We continue to work with it, and Jussi, who's come over from Buddy, very excited about the opportunity.

He wanted to roll over stock into our organization, and he has, and he's excited to help us in those Nordic regions, and that's a good thing.

Paul Treiber

Great. Thanks for taking the questions.

Christian Sgro

Thank you, Paul. The next question comes from Michael Freeman with Raymond James.

Michael, your line is open.

Michael Freeman

Hey, good morning, everybody, and congrats on the results. First question is I wonder if you could tell us a bit about what you're seeing in the M&A environment right now and the sort of competitive dynamics you're seeing in bids and also I guess the pricing environment as you're poking around.

Dan Matlow

It continues to be all over the map as it always has, Michael, and it's hard to predict, in terms of everyone is a different world, and it all depends on who the founder is, and how the thing was structured, and what they are continued to do. We are seeing more and more organizations that have had investments of some sort where the cash is no longer going, and the company is in a little bit of a stagnant, standstill state, and investors starting to think they want to get their money back.

Then the challenge becomes, are they prepared to take a haircut on their money because the valuations that they went into were higher. Buddy is one of those scenarios to a degree.

We continue to see some of those coming to market, but we still see founders and other situations coming to market as well. It's all over the map relative to it, but probably we are seeing companies that did manage to take on investors potentially going to the market to see what their exits are because there's no more cash to be had in those particular companies.

We are starting to see that.

Michael Freeman

Okay. All right.

Thanks, Dan. For my next question, I wonder if you could touch on your AI road map and what you're working up with your R&D team and with your customers.

Happy to hear that some of these have been deployed. Curious if you could just give us the lay of the

Dan Matlow

Yeah, we're really happy with some of the AI progressions we've built in our team. Part of sometimes on these acquisitions is you inherit some technical debt, and we've had some projects that have helped us get out of some technical debt by using AI, which have streamlined some processes.

It's helped us in our internal development group, and we continue to embrace it and starting to move in, and we've seen some benefits. We do have a couple projects groups that we're building in there.

We built a protocoling form-based system, which is used to understand forms and give you AI descriptions on forms, and we look at all of our different products where we can add that. It started evolving in the Novari product.

I think it's been responsible for getting two deals that I know of over the finish line with Novari where radiologists have just loved that feature. We continue to do that, and we continue to upsell it to the rest of our Novari base, but now we've added it to other products as an add-on feature.

The other area which we think we can add substantial revenue is we've taken on the journey of building our own scribing solution for our case management solutions, and we have a fair amount of users between our four or five products in that suite that would be clinicians or caseworkers that would meet with patients all the time that are not using scribing at this point. We are building our own scribing, and we're integrating it into our own products, right?

We expect to get uptake on that product in 2027 with it. We are adding AI products into the market, and we continue to build that.

We're investing in it, and I think it's interesting to know that we are up to the 26% level on the bottom line, and we've been investing in AI continuously and still supporting that number. We're happy with what's going on in that group.

Michael Freeman

Okay. All right.

That's helpful to understand. Last question for me, perhaps outside of the UK, are there any material RFPs that are coming down the pipeline, or that you're preparing to respond to now?

Dan Matlow

We're starting to see some interest in the US marketplace with our Strata solution through some groups. It's too early to tell with that stuff, but we're seeing some pretty interesting responses on that and in that.

We do have a US group in with Strata with the search business, and we've decided to move the core referral management product into the US marketplace, and early indications are that we've got something that's a little unique in certain scenarios. We continue to move on that front to explore what we can do to build that.

That would open up an interesting marketplace if we could start getting some references down there, which I think we will.

Michael Freeman

Does that provide an opening for other products to be introduced into the US, or is this a very Strata-focused

Dan Matlow

Yeah, to be really careful. I think we are starting to add the patient engagement part of the Buddy product onto the other side of Strata.

As you get discharged, referred to another area, the patient can be in the stream of the discharge to do that. We've integrating those into one big product.

An example being a patient gets referred out of a hospital to a hospice, and most of hospice is home care right now. The referral goes into hospice, but we take the patient and the family all the way through that journey by having an engagement platform and an app that they can download all the way through the process, and we allow the patient family to communicate with their caretakers during the whole end-of-life process.

Before I think we've got about 20 different hospices on the Strata platform that we do referral management-based world to, and we came up with that new idea in the UK, and we've implemented it now, and now we're rolling that. We're looking to all the other ones to add that feature to it, right?

Always on the other side of a referral there's a whole patient engagement world on it, and that's just an example of one of the upsell platforms that we can add to the marketplace. As we move into the US with that, maybe there's an opportunity there, who knows.

It's still early days.

Michael Freeman

Got it. All right.

Thank you, Dan. I'll pass it on.

Christian Sgro

Thank you, Michael. Next question comes from Kevin Krishnaratne with Scotiabank.

Kevin, your line is open. You may be on mute, Kevin.

Hello?

Dan Matlow

Hey, Kevin. I hear you now.

Yeah. Sorry for that.

This is Richard on for Kevin. Just quick question.

I know you haven't provided any formal guidance on ARR growth, but I think you've been comfortable with it being in the low double-digit range. I was just wondering if you have any thoughts on near-term on where that's heading, and I note that you've currently been running in the 10% to 11% range this year, and was just curious on where that goes.

Dan Matlow

It's really the wild card with this FDP stuff that's going on, and that's really account by account to do that. We still feel comfortable with the rest of our business that even with that headwind, that we should still be in the range where we were this quarter and above it for sure.

We continue to work with that, and we continue to work with the cards that we're being dealt on that particular scenario. Even with that scenario, we're still getting 10-11% organic growth, we're happy with that.

The bottom line has come to the other side, we continue to do that.

Thank you. Do you have any thoughts on capital allocation, particularly the balance between M&A and buybacks given your recently introduced NCIB?

Dan Matlow

At the core of what we are, we can only buy up to 5%, right? We're still sitting at a hundred and 100 and probably it's we're getting back up to the $130 million level even after the Buddy acquisition because we continue to produce cash.

I think we're definitely focused on M&A as our biggest thing. I think that's our best return for our shareholders in the long run.

At these levels, I think we can do both, and that's sort of what we decided at the board meeting.

Sounds good. Thanks for taking my questions.

Christian Sgro

Thank you, Richard. Next question comes from David Kwan with TD Securities.

David, your line is open.

David Kwan

Thanks. Thanks, Christian, for that.

Just maybe getting back to that last question on the buybacks. Dan, it sounds like, once it gets approved, if the shares are still kind of at these levels, you'll be active with the buyback?

Dan Matlow

I think we discussed that at the board and we'll continue to look at things as they continue to progress, but I don't want to commit to anything, but that could be the world that we go into as we go forward.

David Kwan

I just wondering in terms of the buyback, even if you kind of max it out, you'd still have a lot of cash left over. It seems like you could be active on both fronts.

Dan Matlow

I think we can, too, David, and that's sort of the thought process on the thing. With that being said, there's always larger transactions that are floating around where that might not be enough cash, it's just weighing all those into the equation based on what's going on in our particular world.

We're constantly exploring it and making the proper decisions, which we think would be the right for our shareholders. We continue to look at it, and, based on how we're doing now and in terms of the level of the acquisitions that we've been making, we definitely do have enough to continue to do that.

That would be the case, but if something larger was progressing, then that may change that thought process.

David Kwan

No, that's helpful. Thanks, Dan.

When you talk about the M&A and larger deals, are we talking stuff that could be meaningfully larger than Novari? Are we kind of looking at more Novari-type deals?

Dan Matlow

I think meaningfully larger than Novari to a degree, not that much larger but yeah, meaningfully larger, I think. No,

David Kwan

that's helpful. Just one or two more questions here, getting back on the AI.

Can you talk about to what extent are you seeing customers adopting AI? How quickly are they, and, to what extent customers are kind of working with you to help fund projects that might be more specific to their use cases or their needs, but maybe that also could be leveraged to other customers?

Dan Matlow

Every single one of our AI projects are being done based off of customer input into the equation and not just one customer, multiple customers, so that we actually get a feel for, does it add value, and what is it going to cost us to deliver, and do they got the funding to deliver it. There's definitely a lot of intrigue within our customer base.

There's also a fair amount of uncertainty in respect to things like privacy, security, compliance, regulatory-based approvals. The one area that definitely is the most adopted area is the transcription side of the business.

I think we see that all the way through. We've already seen that through the GP marketplaces with like the adoption of Heidi and things like that in the GP world.

There's lots of other caregivers that are there, and I think in the hospital setting, the big EHRs will do those. In the community social services area, we are the record of that the caregivers use.

They're looking for us to provide that transcription services. We believe that's our lowest-hanging fruit out of all of our AI projects to go get revenue.

The other stuff is really working between the scenes and it's injection into our applications, and we see things in our MedCurrent base where AI can help speed up the delivery of that clinical decision support system. We see things in our patient engagement platforms and so forth where AI can do some things.

We continue to work with our group. It's not like they're screaming at the door saying, "Hey, we need this stuff tomorrow."

That's not how our markets work. It's a little slow and bureaucratic, which is both a blessing and a curse, but it is the market that we deal with.

In terms of the transcription side, we definitely think, yeah, as soon as we get that product into the marketplace, that we would like to think there's going to be adoption if we can create it properly and price it properly for our base.

David Kwan

No, that makes sense. Maybe one last question for Brian.

Just on the gross margin side, it was a bit weaker than what we were looking at, especially given the revenue mix. Want to know if there's anything in particular that was worth flagging and how we should be looking at gross margins going forward.

Brian Goffenberg

No, I think it was still I think continue to be to probably the 80% line. If you look at Q2 Q1, we were a little bit higher and so overall for the 6 months, it's been in the 80% range.

As Dan said earlier, some of the services revenue was a little bit lower, and that's kind of lower-margin stuff. You'll probably see that improve as we go forward.

Dan Matlow

I think, David, part of timing of services revenue where you get the revenue to match the expenses is sometimes challenging. We may incur expense on services revenue, but because we haven't hit a particular milestone, we haven't recognized the revenue accordingly for it yet.

We get the expense without the revenue. In other quarters, it's the other way around, right?

Sometimes the timing of that sort of just offsets that a little bit, but it should always be in that range.

David Kwan

Oh, helpful. Thanks much.

Thank you very much.

Christian Sgro

Thank you, David. The next question comes from Justin Keywood with Stifel.

Justin, your line is open.

Justin Keywood

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my call.

I understand that the cost side of the recent large M&A in 2025 has largely been integrated, but I was hoping to get an update on how the cross-sales opportunity is going with Novari Health, and in particular, the opportunity within the subsegment of the Canadian Mental Health Institutes, where I understand that Novari has a substantial market share, but some of the competing options are not nearly at the level of functionality, including also just frankly some paper-based processes that are still being utilized. Just seeing how that sales opportunity is, and what the TAM could be for the subsegment.

Dan Matlow

We're pretty active in the mental health world because we own the predominant EHRs in that world, right? Both Strata and Novari both have footprints in the mental health referral bases, depending on what the different scenarios are.

Novari I think a few years back did the mental health referral-based business for CAMH, and that's where a lot of that expertise was done, and they continue to have a footprint in those particular levels. Part of that is being addressed with the provincial-based transaction, and there's other opportunities all across Canada in the mental health world.

The two implementations we've sold in the UK have been in the mental health based arena as well, and we continue to see some stuff in that. You're right, they have evolved some pretty strong workflows, and we have added to that expertise by having our own EHRs in that space.

Connecting our EHRs to the referral management suite is something that our customers like, and we continue to do that.

Justin Keywood

That's helpful. Maybe just a follow-up.

Epic, are they pretty active in the Canadian mental health area, and how do you see that competitor?

Dan Matlow

I don't see Epic has not done anything in the Canadian They they just sell to the pure hospital levels. They probably would cover off a little bit of the mental health beds within hospitals, but they're they're not focused on community agencies, mental health-based worlds.

That's not what they do. The whatever mental health pure hospitals, like we have like, there's about three or four different hospitals across Canada or across Ontario that do that, that MEDITECH seems to be the the vendor that runs those bigger organizations to do that.

On the community and social services side, I think we would be the predominant vendor that would do those that work.

Justin Keywood

Thank you. Very helpful.

Christian Sgro

Thanks, Justin. There are no further questions at this time.

I'll hand the call back to you, Dan, for any closing remarks.

Dan Matlow

I think the best thing to look from that quarter is and we've always said this, we like organic growth, we want organic growth, [coughs] and we push organic growth, but at the core of what this business is is really cash flow striving and earnings on the other side. As you guys can see, we're back executing on that side of the equation as we continuously always will.

We're starting to see that come through, and we continue to take our organic growth as it comes to us and adds to the bottom line. We're excited to get our adjusted EBITDA up there.

We're excited to start seeing cash flow, and we're excited about the suite of solutions that we've accumulated and how those are starting to come together as comprehensive solutions. We continue to work, and we continue to progress in that space, and we continue to look at M&A, and another quarter's behind us, and we look forward to the next one.

Thanks, everyone, for attending today.

Christian Sgro

This now concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for joining.

Dan Matlow

Bye-bye.