Ajax Engineering Ltd.

Ajax Engineering Ltd.

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Q2 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptNovember 14, 2025

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the Q2 and H1 FY26 Earnings Conference Call of Ajax Engineering Limited. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes.

Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star, then zero on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded.

Before we begin, I would like to point out that this conference call may contain forward-looking statements about the company which are based on the beliefs, opinions, and expectations of the company as on date of this call. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict.

I now hand the conference over to Mr. Shubhabrata Saha, Managing Director and CEO of Ajax Engineering Limited.

Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Shubhabrata Saha

Thank you. Good morning, everybody.

Thank you for joining us on Ajax Engineering Limited's Q2 and H1 FY26 Earnings Conference Call. Along with me on the call, we have Mr.

Tuhin Basu and SGA, our Investor Relations partner. We have uploaded our results and investor presentation on the stock exchanges and our website.

I hope everybody has had an opportunity to go through the same. Before we dive into this quarter's performance, I'd like to take a moment to reflect on Ajax's journey.

Throughout its history of over three decades, Ajax has time and again demonstrated resilience and adaptability through challenging business cycles, overcoming critical disruptions like demonetization, introduction of GST, the COVID-19 pandemic, election cycles in central and states, changes in emission regulations, sector cyclicality, etc. Over the past decade or so, Ajax has delivered steady growth, clocking an impressive 18% CAGR.

This is a testament to our unwavering focus on operational preparedness, precise execution, and financial discipline, the factors that not only define us, but also continue to empower us to emerge from adversity stronger than ever before. The last year or so has been no different in terms of the external challenges we faced.

Yet, true to spirit, Ajax has continued to navigate these headwinds with focus and resilience. We observed a slowdown in the pace of on-ground execution of infrastructure projects, which in turn led to cash flow delays for our customers and subsequent deferment of incremental demand.

Additionally, the extended monsoon in the last quarter and the industry's transition to the new emission norms beginning July 2025 have added to further complexity. Taken together, these factors have collectively impacted the industry performance.

Riding on our situational awareness, operational preparedness, and technology-driven manufacturing capabilities, we were ready ahead of the curve and launched our new CEV-V machines in Q4 of FY25. The CEV-IV inventory was entirely sold out before the regulatory deadline of the 30th of June 2025.

In the last couple of quarters, we've witnessed some unsustainable business practices in the industry. While we have continued to maintain our financial discipline through all of that, we've seen healthy sales momentum too.

As called out earlier, given the multiple factors that have impacted the industry in the last few quarters, our approach with the new CEV-V machines was to introduce them to the market ahead of time, gather feedback, and assess customer acceptance. Despite the cost of production of the CEV-V machines going up considerably compared to the older emission machines, we chose not to take any price hikes in the last couple of quarters.

Instead, we prioritized extensive on-ground testing of our product under real-world conditions and evaluate the real-time product performance with customer response. With the monsoon season now behind us, we anticipate the usual improvement in demand momentum during the second half of the year.

As only the new CEV-V machines are now available in the market, this period will provide valuable insights into adoption trends and pace of uptake for these products. These insights will be critical in enabling us to make well-informed pricing decisions.

Our pricing strategy will be carefully calibrated, taking into account market response and prevailing industry practices. We've been steadily expanding our dealer network with the objective of deepening our penetration and availability.

Let me now take you through the financial performance for the quarter and half year ended September 2025. Speaking about the quarter first, revenue in Q2 FY26 grew by 48% on a Y-o-Y basis and came to 445 crores.

This was driven by a strong growth in the SLCM segment. During the quarter, SLCM volume and revenue grew by 51% and 55% year-on-year respectively on the back of the delivery of a large-size contract during the quarter.

Non-SLCM volume and revenue grew by 8% and 12% year-on-year respectively. Spares and services revenue in Q2 grew by 26% year-on-year.

EBITDA for Q2 FY26 stood at 45 crores, growing by about 16% year-on-year. EBITDA margin declined by about 280 basis points and came to 10.2%.

The hit on the gross margin has flowed down to EBITDA. A large part of the impact on the gross margin is on account of the cost of the increase in production of the new CEV-V machines.

Profit after tax for the quarter stood at 39 crores. Coming to the first half performance, revenue for H1 FY26 stood at 911 crores, reflecting a growth of 18% year-on-year.

This is broadly in line with our historical growth trajectory. SLCM volume and revenue in H1 grew by 20% and 21% respectively on a year-on-year basis.

Non-SLCM volume in H1 FY26 grew by 18% on a year-on-year basis. Spares and services revenue grew by 16% Y-o-Y in H1 FY26.

EBITDA for H1 FY26 stood at about 107 crores, declining by 11% on a Y-o-Y basis. EBITDA margin for H1 FY26 stood at 11.7%, contracting by 380 basis points year-on-year.

Again, the impact on EBITDA is driven by the hit at the gross margin level, which was on the back of increased cost of production and revenue and product mix change. We had sales of slipform pavers in H1 of last year, which is not there this year.

Pavers are high ticket size and higher margin product. Despite the significant impact on the gross margin level, we have cushioned the impact on EBITDA through operating leverage and cost optimization.

With volumes expected to pick up, as they do, in the second half of the year, we expect an improvement in the margin profile owing to the operating leverage. We also anticipate some price adjustments, which will also aid the margins in H2.

Nonetheless, as we have called out earlier, on a full-year basis for FY26, we expect EBITDA margin decline of around 150 to 200 basis points compared to FY25. Despite the impact on profitability and the ongoing capex on our new manufacturing facility, we continue to maintain strong financial discipline and efficient capital allocation.

Our return ratios continue to be resilient. Our return on invested capital is upwards of 40%.

We continue to maintain a strong balance sheet. With the CEV-IV inventory sold, our cash flow in H1 FY26 has normalized as well.

Short-term road bumps like these are typical in our industry, and Ajax has consistently demonstrated the ability to navigate such phases while maintaining steady performance. As we have emphasized in the past, this business is best viewed on an annualized basis rather than quarterly.

Structurally, we remain confident in the longer-term growth trajectory of our business. India's substantial infrastructure development needs, coupled with the shift towards mechanized construction and concreting equipment, will continue to drive steady demand, which positions Ajax well for sustained growth.

Our long-term outlook on both growth and profitability remains firmly intact. We remain committed to maintaining our leadership position in the SLCM segment while also building strong capabilities in the non-SLCM space.

Operational excellence and financial discipline remain central to our strategy. We continue to have a robust cash position, ensuring considerable financial muscle to pursue our growth ambitions.

With this, I would like to open the floor for questions. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session.

Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone phone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two.

Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. We'll wait for a moment while the question queue assembles.

The first question comes from the line of Raghunandhan from Nuvama Research. Please go ahead.

Raghunandhan NL

Congratulations, sir, on strong performance in Q2. It's quite a surprise to see a beat on revenue, a very strong revenue performance.

Firstly, the large contract order, can you provide some details on the size? Is it executed in Q2, or is it pending for coming quarter as well?

Also, how would be the profitability for this large [order?] ?

Shubhabrata Saha

Hi, Raghu. Good morning.

Tuhin this side, and thank you for, let's say, your opening statement on the performance. See, the large order was executed completely in Q2.

There is no spillover which is expected in the second half of the year. It was for SLCMs, and 110-plus machines were as part of a quasi-government authority tender.

This was a very marquee project, and given the size of the contract and such a large order volume, there was competitive pricing. Ajax felt that it's in its best interest that it, a, contributes to the nation building and also forms its grip on these large orders.

This was done at a, let's say, far more aggressive pricing, as you can understand. We'll not be able to divulge on how much of it that it is discounted than our average price.

This, I would just say that this was on far aggressive pricing, which obviously played out in the margin corridors for this particular quarter.

Raghunandhan NL

Thank you, sir. Post the transition to CEV-V for H2, how do you see the on-ground demand environment?

What kind of a growth would you expect for SLCM and non-SLCMs in H2?

Shubhabrata Saha

I think I'll take that question, Raghu. I think first things first, the product has stood out very well.

As you would imagine that 30% of our business volume in Q4 of last year and 90% of our business volume in Q1 this year was CEV-V. We were well-placed to have placed the products ahead of most of our competition in this segment.

Actually, the products have turned out very well. There aren't any hiccups, any issues that we've noticed so far in the way the people have operated the machine on ground.

As far as demand is concerned, as you would know that between H1 and H2, there is a traditional upswing that happens in H2, and we hope that the same kind of an upswing will happen. As things stand in some of the larger states, we would anticipate that the state government would put impetus and focus on driving the pace of execution of projects, as much as the cash flow back to the contractors, which will provide the necessary confidence for them to be able to shore up the business.

It typically so happens that both for SLCM as well as for the non-SLCM portfolio, H2 is typically a good part of the year. We hope that things start changing a bit on the ground, particularly in terms of the cash flows back to the contractors.

Raghunandhan NL

Thank you. Can you also talk about the new product, smaller SLCM?

How is the initial response? How do you see the availability improving across the country, and also your thoughts on the upcoming products in non-SLCM space?

Shubhabrata Saha

Yeah. As far as the smaller product is concerned, I think as you would know that we've been testing this out in a test market for some time.

We now feel confident that the product can be extended across at least four, five, six key markets in the country, and we're preparing ground to make sure that we start initial distribution of some of these in the second half of the year. We've seen that the product has held out very well, particularly to those people who have used it in the test market across wide range of applications, which I think gives us confidence to be able to place this in some of the other select markets as we move forward into the second half of the year.

As far as non-SLCMs are concerned, I think our focus has been on pumps, which is both boom pumps and concrete pumps, and on the other side, in batching plants. We hope that we will continue in terms of building connect and also conversion with our customers across the country.

Hopefully, even that bit based on the execution of new projects as well as money back to contractors will also help.

Raghunandhan NL

Very helpful, sir. Thank you so much.

Shubhabrata Saha

Thanks, Raghu.

Operator

Thank you. Participants, if you wish to ask questions, you may press star and one.

The next question comes from the line of Pritesh from Lucky Investments. Please go ahead.

Pritesh Chheda

Sir, just a clarification. First, would have sold the old machines in this quarter?

Or all the machines sold in this quarter will be new machines and the new emission norm machine?

Shubhabrata Saha

All were new machines, Pritesh. Even in Q1, we had explained that 80% plus has come from new machines, all new machines, no old.

Pritesh Chheda

Okay. On the pricing, if you have to offset the whole impact of the cost, it is fair to assume that you would have to take about 4% to 5% price hike?

Shubhabrata Saha

Yes, we have to take about four percentage points price increase, and which we had maintained in the last conversation also that we will test this in Q3 onwards. Not done till Q2 is all I can tell.

Pritesh Chheda

When you have a guidance of about 150, 200 basis points impact on the margin on a Y-o-Y basis, where your H1 is 10, and a 350 to 400 basis point drop, is it fair to assume that all these price increases should have been taken by now for the H2 margin, basically being what? It means H2 margin is reverting back to the mean.

We should have been taking the price increase. Is this assessment correct?

Shubhabrata Saha

Not completely.

Pritesh Chheda

I am just trying to calculate from the guidance.

Shubhabrata Saha

No, I understand. The guidance has been given by me, I'll probably explain.

See, H1, first of all, H1 EBITDA margin is 11.7%, not 10.2%. I think you're referring to the quarter when you're referring to 10.2%.

We are round about 12%. For us to get to in the range of 13% 13% or thereabouts on the EBITDA, we will have to do close to about 14.5% to 15% for the rest of the year.

As you're aware that H1, H2 volumes also skew differently in our industry, and the operating leverage plus the pricing increase which we are talking about, both should allow us to get to that margin called out for H2.

Pritesh Chheda

Okay. The another observation I seek your comments.

When I looked at your H1 number, even your quarter two number, the volume growth has been fairly strong, much stronger than what it is for you and also when I looked at the other construction equipment side, I didn't see these kinds of traction. If you would want to shed light on specifically on SLCM, what's happening in space, a lot of us complained about that of a longer monsoon, construction work was not happening, and people didn't buy equipment.

When I look at your numbers, it's quite contrary. Any comments you want to share there?

Tuhin Basu

I'll say one thing, and I'll make a comment and also defer it to Shubho for, let's say, adding on to it. See, if you look at H1 to H1, yeah, and we have always maintained that it's best that we look at it on YTD basis, our business, rather than different periods from that standpoint.

If you look at H1 to H1, we went up by 20% on SLCM. I'm talking about SLCM specifically.

And 2,300 machines were sold. I had mentioned that about 100-odd 110-odd machines came from one single order, which obviously added about five percentage points to the growth.

Yeah? Even if you take that aside, it's about 15% growth, and we had a very muted Q2 last year, given it was on the back of following immediately elections.

The ordering was tepid. While monsoon of course plays a part and monsoon plays a huge part on the retail offtake, which has an impact on our let's say cash churn, the demand of Q2 this year is a normal Q2 this year versus let's say, election-impacted Q2.

That obviously helped in having more flatlining of the volume between Q1, Q2. If you see Q1 this year versus Q2 this year also the volume is flatlined.

It's more of a normal Q2 rather than election-impacted Q2. That helped on the growth as well.

Shubho, if you want to...

Pritesh Chheda

Okay. I don't have the numbers before that, but it's okay.

The other thing I just missed, did you take the necessarily price hike now or it is supposed to be implemented?

Tuhin Basu

As I said, we will test waters. We'll not like to divulge more on a public call on this.

Okay.

Pritesh Chheda

Okay. Lastly, do you want to call out, on a full-year basis, you will revert to the CAGR volume growth?

Historic CAGR volume growth?

Tuhin Basu

I think so you're talking about top-line CAGR volume, if I hear, because the voice is slightly...

Pritesh Chheda

Both. One, the volume, my reference is volume CAGR and top-line CAGR.

Tuhin Basu

Volume CAGR, I think we have maintained even in the previous conversations that FY25 to '26, we expect the volume CAGRs to be more, let's say, early double digits, not the long-term volume CAGR growth of 18%. On a full-year basis.

Pritesh Chheda

Despite what you've seen in H1.

Tuhin Basu

Yes.

Pritesh Chheda

Okay. Fine.

Thank you very much.

Tuhin Basu

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Raashi from Citi Group.

Please go ahead.

Raashi Chopra

Thank you. You had mentioned in your initial remarks that you witnessed some unfavorable industry practices during the quarter.

Could you elaborate on that a bit, please?

Tuhin Basu

Raashi, there was, let's say, inventory built up. People have adopted different strategies.

Ajax adopted a strategy of early introduction of the machine and also having a stock which was just enough to get the CEV-IV out in time and have the demand getting shored up by CEV-V. We felt that's the right strategy purely because we wanted to test out the machines longer in the market before we go for price rise, etc.

Some of the other competition had a different take on it. They stored a lot more CEV-IV and they were running against time.

The kind of pricing strategy and commercial strategy adopted to get these machines liquidated were not only, let's say, substandard from margin corridors or commercial acumen. It was also industry practices which you don't want to get into and see that the industry sways in that direction.

Besides that, we won't be able to kind of quantify the extent of discount, etc., which they gave to get their inventories out. Yes, that's what Shubho was referring to.

Shubho, anything on...

Shubhabrata Saha

Yeah. Rashi, the practice, as per the emission standard set by the government, the sale and registration ends on a specific date.

The spillover of some of these things were also seen by us. How they did, why they did, are questions that we cannot answer, but it has been seen to have happened.

Raashi Chopra

Understood. All right.

On market share, you were at 69% in the last quarter, you've gotten that to 71%. What was this number last year?

Was it 75%?

Tuhin Basu

Yeah. One thing a call-out here is that the BRO machines are not register—I mean, the large contract machines are not registered given that it was a quasi-government this thing, the registration don't happen.

We, again, go back to our retail market share and reported the number consistent with our previous reporting. The exact market share, if you can calculate that for an industry volume, this time it may not show up.

Shubhabrata Saha

Even for the future, BRO machines are excluded from registration. It will not show up in the Vahan site.

Tuhin Basu

In Q2 sorry, in Q1, we were, let's say, high 60s, and what has happened in the last two months of this particular quarter, we are more in the range of 80% on the market share to get to the 71%. As Shubho mentioned and I mentioned previously that there were certain practices which we didn't want to get into from a pricing decision, we took our market share hit in the first quarter, which was a conscious decision.

Then in Q2, we have been able to shore up the market share around 80% in the last two months to get to the 71% on a full-year YTD basis.

Raashi Chopra

Is that 80% did it also sustain through October?

Tuhin Basu

Sorry?

Raashi Chopra

Did we have the 80% in October as well? October is correct,

Tuhin Basu

yes. Yes.

Raashi Chopra

Okay. What did you say for, I don't know if you said that and I missed it, the full-year volume number expectations for SLCM?

Tuhin Basu

What I mentioned to Pritesh also is that we are expecting an early double-digit growth, not, let's say, our long-term averages of CAGR for this year on the volume.

Raashi Chopra

Got it. Just last question from me.

What is the cash balance currently?

Tuhin Basu

Cash balance, in investments, we have about 710 crores, and our liquid cash balance was about 35 crores, 37 crores.

Raashi Chopra

Got it. Okay.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Mahesh Patil from ICICI Securities.

Please go ahead.

Mahesh Patil

Hi, sir. Sir, you mentioned some issues in the construction activity in the first half.

How do you see it in the October, November and the coming months like in H2? How do you see it picking up?

What are the issues, some payment-related issues you highlighted? What do you think can help this get better?

Shubhabrata Saha

Mr. Patil, I cannot speak on behalf of what the government will do.

We always anticipate that there is a good, strong pull in the second half of the year. For a fact that this industry operates almost like a 40-60 between H1 and H2.

We hope that the government puts back on its act in terms of execution of projects as much as the cash flows that are pending as far as contractors are concerned. I think some of the larger states, if they can get their act together on some of this, which normally happens in the second half of the year, it will augur well for everyone.

Mahesh Patil

Sir. Sir, I think I missed it.

Have we taken the price hike in this quarter, Q3, or we're planning to do it in Q4?

Shubhabrata Saha

We said that we, let's say, started to have the conversations in Q3. I would not like to preempt what we are doing in Q3 before Q3 is completed.

Mahesh Patil

Okay. We're likely to see the impact in Q4 only, right, if at all taken?

Shubhabrata Saha

You can infer, but I think we've made our statement very clearly.

Mahesh Patil

Sir. Thank you.

Shubhabrata Saha

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Suraj Malu from Catamaran.

Please go ahead.

Suraj Malu

Thank you so much. Sir, last year, we understand that there was election and everything, and the spending from the government was on the lower end, right?

What would be the key attributes or the reasons for this lower government capex?

Shubhabrata Saha

I think you are more intelligent than I can be on this subject. I think there are multiple things that the government has had to contend with.

Public memory becomes very short. Only about a few months ago, we were reeling under what was a four-day war, but wars are very expensive, as has been seen.

Second is I think India was also making sure that in terms of the geo-economic situation and more than just the geopolitics, I think to make sure that it keeps its cash reserves strong, forex strong, and so on and so forth. I can only anticipate these are the kind of things that could have happened in the short run.

As far as states are concerned, I think, as you are fully aware, that some of the states that went into elections in the last couple of years had made certain promises on the social sector, and some of that has obviously come home to roost as far as cash flows are concerned.

Suraj Malu

Right. How do you see this panning out, sir, going forward?

Shubhabrata Saha

I think, clearly, the longer-term subject of infrastructure development in the country continues to remain intact. I think these short-term things will happen from time to time, and I would anticipate that the second half generally is a better half, and we hope that some of these things will be behind us sooner than later.

Suraj Malu

Got it, yeah. Typically, at your dealer level, right, in the past, what has been the average inventory holding days, and what has it been in this quarter?

Shubhabrata Saha

Typically, it could be, let's say, about between two to three weeks at the dealer and about two weeks at our end from the finished good inventory. This time, at the dealer, it has inched more towards a month, a month-plus.

Suraj Malu

That can impact in this quarter then, because already the inventories are higher at the dealer?

Shubhabrata Saha

Not necessarily. Inventories have been higher even, let's say, in certain other previous quarters, but the quarter offtake didn't get impacted because the retail also happens then at a faster pace.

It's not really directly correlated.

Suraj Malu

Understood. Got it.

Just last one thing, of course, I don't expect you to give out any numbers, as you have already mentioned. If I look at, like, quarter-on-quarter, the average selling price in the SLCM, right, that has increased by sorry, not quarter-on-quarter, if I look at Y-o-Y, it's just 3%.

Whereas you mentioned that there was a large contract where the average selling price was very low, right, let's say relatively, so is it fair to assume that you have already taken some price increase in the retail segment and hence the average selling price is at the same level?

Shubhabrata Saha

I think we have made enough comment on pricing, I would not, again, reiterate what has been previously stated. You have to recognize that our average selling price is across all our SLCM variants, which go from right 2 from 2.2 cubic meter to 4.8 cubic meter.

Sometimes the ASP for different quarters or different time periods has a bearing in terms of what volume has been sold more or less, and that can pan out. That has got nothing to do with an ASP increase at a SKU or a model level.

Suraj Malu

Got it, sir.

Shubhabrata Saha

If we have sold more 4.2 cubic meter, then obviously you see that as an ASP increase, but that's not really a SKU's price increase.

Suraj Malu

Right? Got it, sir.

Thank you very much.

Shubhabrata Saha

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Lakshminarayanan from Tunga Investments.

Please go ahead.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Thank you. I have a couple of questions.

Just to understand how do you plan for your business at the start of the year. What is the kind of demand planning you do, given that you have a high dealer mix and you have to rely on them, I believe?

How do you plan for it, and how do you ensure that you don't under-plan or over-plan the demand? The second question is that you wanted to get into the B2B business, and how that is shaping up?

A third question is that do we have any discounts we give in the channel, and what is the price difference between you and the next player? The other question is that which states are actually growing faster for us?

Shubhabrata Saha

Sorry, you will have to repeat all the four questions, because at least it would be difficult for us to address it.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Yeah. I'll go one by one.

The first question is that at the start of the year, how do you do your demand planning, given that you rely significantly on the sales through the dealer network? Therefore, what is your plan to augment the B2B sales engine which you are revving up?

Shubhabrata Saha

I want to first clarify, how are the two things...

Lakshmi Narayanan

No, they're independent, because one is that how do you demand plan, and second is that if you want to have control of your demand through the B2B kind of a channel, how are you planning to do it? Those are independent questions.

Shubhabrata Saha

I'm still not very clear about what your question is, but be that as it may, I'll still try to attempt it. As far as SLCM demand is concerned, we know the range of applications that are there, the nature and type of projects based on the provisions made by, let us say, states in their state projects, and also for center in the central projects.

Basis that, we get a reasonably good idea about what's going to happen and which state, what kind of applications, projects, etc. Basis that, the planning is broadly made.

Having said that, I think the demand that comes in over the previous three months, it gives us a fair indication of how to go about it. One is an annual plan, the other is a more relevant quarterly plan and a monthly plan.

We generally have a two-month rolling and a one-month firm kind of a forecast that we build based on the kind of demand that has come in the previous one month and two prior months. As far as dealers are concerned, from that context, it becomes that much more simpler because we know where the demand is emanating from and what kind of applications are coming through.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Got it. Your dealer does not actually generate demand for you, right?

Is that or it's like a joint process that you and your dealer both generate demand?

Shubhabrata Saha

That's why I said, one is the annual plan, which is made more based on macros. As far as the plan for the quarter and the month is concerned, it is based on what kind of demand is getting generated at each of the locations.

I mentioned to you that there is a two-month rolling and one-month firm, and this is based on what kind of demand has emanated from each of the locations from where there are dealers. We calibrate based on what the dealer is saying as much as what our people are noticing on ground demand.

Similarly, we also have classification of leads, which is hot, warm, cold, basis what is emanating from the market, and against that, the shorter-term monthly allocations are made, if that helps.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Got it, sir. Regarding your B2B business?

Shubhabrata Saha

No, the B2B business is largely concentrated for the non-SLCM product portfolio, and hence, it is relatively easier to go about doing that because the cycles in this from lead to execution are much longer, and hence, we know where things are happening and how much will happen in each of these areas. Now, as far as B2B execution is concerned, the company executes it through its dealers by and large...

Mm-hmm. ...because there is need for installation, service, and so on and so forth.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Got it. The Border Road Organization stuff which you talked about is a B2B business, right, I believe, and you delivered directly?

Shubhabrata Saha

You cannot do it through the dealers there, because it's an OEM tendering process. Yeah.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Got it. I believe that there is no discount, just want to confirm that.

What is the price difference between you and the next competitor? I think

Shubhabrata Saha

Tuhin alluded to that a little while ago in terms of certain unsustainable practices that we witnessed. Now if you go into that quarter, obviously, the difference will be quite substantial, right?

In general, I think we have consistently alluded that anywhere around the 3% to 4%, 5% differential exists between what price we sell and what price our competition sells at.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Got it. The next question is that how well you know your customer, and in a sense that what is a mix of first-timer/rental or a single equipment owner?

Do you actually get granular details of that?

Shubhabrata Saha

It is déjà vu for me because through the entire period of the roadshows and beyond, we've been consistently talking about first-time buyers. We've been talking about the first-time buyer growing through and becoming, let us say, a small or mid-size contractor, the mid-size contractor becoming a rental company, and so on and so forth.

It is in the ratio of almost 1/3 each in each of these categories. Because we've been the pioneer in this business, and we are happy to say that a lot of demand actually originate from there because the people love the machines that they use.

Because of a strong operating performance of the machine as well as the resale value, as the resale value is substantially higher than the nearest competitor, maybe in the range of about 10% to 15%, why people come back to buy, and a lot of the demand emanates from the existing customer base itself.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Right. Got it.

Which states are growing faster for us in the last six months or so? Can you be specific on which states are growing and why they are growing faster?

Shubhabrata Saha

See, I think we are present all over the country, right? There are certain states which have been impacted by way of demand.

For example, the likes of Maharashtra has been impacted. Certain states like Karnataka have been impacted, because some of these states have decided to put money behind social projects, and so on and so forth.

I think barring that, I think states like Bihar, etc., have worked out very significantly. As you will see that Bihar is going for an election.

The last one year, I think Bihar has been doing extremely well. UP has been doing extremely well.

All the northern markets are faring well. Gujarat has been doing extremely well on account of the fact that there's been a lot of solar-led application, and so on and so forth.

All of these states are fine.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Got it. One last question.

As we are half of the financial year, which areas have actually negatively surprised you from your own calibration of how you started the year?

Shubhabrata Saha

No negative surprises from what we started off the year in terms of our expectation. I think you're speaking to us for the first time by the sound of the question.

Whatever we panned out in terms of our margin corridors expectation, it has not changed since the roadshows, let's say, which Shubho was alluding to that and even post that. In that sense, we have been consistent in terms of the corridors we have mentioned.

We have been consistent in terms of where we see the demand originating from. No negative surprises.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Got it. Thank you

Shubhabrata Saha

so much. It would be just the liquidity challenges which we are seeing on the retail, but that's transient and that should get better as we progress.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Right, it's okay. Thank you so much.

I'll get back.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Nishant Rungta from PGIM Investments.

We may request participants to limit their questions to two per participants as there are several participants waiting in the queue for their questions. Thank you.

Mr. Nishant, please go ahead.

Nishant Rungta

Thank you so much. Shubho and Tuhin, fantastic performance given how tough this quarter was supposed to be.

I have a couple of questions...

Shubhabrata Saha

Nishant, can you be a little louder? Your voice is not very audible to us.

Nishant Rungta

Sorry. Am I audible now?

Shubhabrata Saha

Hello? It's still a bit faint, Nishant.

Nishant Rungta

Sorry. I'm trying.

Just in case, I'll probably come back in the queue in case it is not audible. Just wanted to...

Yeah. No, this was a fantastic quarter given how tough this quarter was supposed to be.

I have a couple of questions for you. First is how do you sort of think about balancing between market share and margins, both in the near term and medium term, given what's happening on pricing at this point in time, the difficulty that you're sort of facing in terms of taking price hikes and obviously the competition being a bit irrational?

My second question is on sales spares revenue. That's one line item which we've been sort of watching for a while.

That's something that is coming in at a very high profitability. Are you sort of happy with the growth there?

What is the outlook to sort of prop up that revenue pool for you to offset some of the margin headwinds that you see in the core business? These are the two questions I had.

Thanks a lot.

Shubhabrata Saha

Yeah. Thanks, Nishant.

I think first things first, let me clarify that it's not one against the other, market share or margins. I think both are equally important for us, and we'll continue to strive to drive on both fronts.

If you looked at what Tuhin was earlier mentioning in terms of market share in the recent term in the last couple of months, and so on and so forth, I think our market share has been inching closer to the 80% mark despite the intensity of competition. I have to say this that I think since we launched our product, the CEV-V product portfolio, in fourth quarter, 30% of our volume in the fourth quarter came from that, 90% of our volume in the first quarter of this year came from that.

Clearly, the product is very well settled. It is starting to gain much greater traction, acceptance with the people who have already had the CEV-IV product, now have tested the CEV-V product, as well as new customers.

I think those are the drivers that we will continue to work on. The third facet as far as pricing is concerned, we've said this that looking at market response, product performance, and so on and so forth, and taking a calibrated approach towards pricing.

Between Q3 and Q4, I'm hopeful that things will look better. Finally, I think both demand, offtake, as well as payment back to contractors will certainly improve the sentiment.

If all these four come together, I think we should be closing in towards the kind of numbers that we've already spoken about. All

Nishant Rungta

very well. The second one on spares and services revenue?

Thank you.

Shubhabrata Saha

Yeah. I think clearly, I think you must understand that the machine utilization in the second quarter, particularly because of the extended monsoon, has been impacted.

To that extent, we would have loved to have a little higher growth as far as spares is concerned.

Nishant Rungta

Any specific steps that you're taking to sort of prop that up given your base of 30-odd thousand units in the market, this number could be much higher than what we see right now? Has there been any issues around spares services revenues sort of moving to competition or anywhere else with the spurious products or spare parts?

Has that been a point of worry for you?

Shubhabrata Saha

No, no. Nothing negative at all.

Nothing is moving from us to any cheaper alternatives just because people feel that there is a cheaper alternative sitting out there, or we are losing opportunity because our dealers are not stocking, and so on and so forth. I have to say this that our on-time, in-full, which is called the first fill rate, is being tracked here almost on a day-to-day basis.

To that extent, we are running upwards of 90%, 92%, and hence, in terms of making the demand fulfilled from our dealers is being done very, very strongly. I think we are not missing anything specific here, but I think just the machine utilization has a direct bearing on the quantum of spare parts.

With the extended monsoons in the second half, I think those numbers may have been slightly muted. I think as we go forward and machine utilization picking up, will certainly help us.

As far as number of dealers, number of touch points is concerned, I think we're doing fairly well on that front.

Nishant Rungta

Perfect. If I may sort of squeeze in just one last data-seeking question.

Cash flows have been, again, robust, right? It's been a phenomenal work on working capital management.

Just in this quarter, I see quite a inordinate build-up in receivables. You think that's going to get liquidated very soon and may have already seen that, but just your thoughts on that figure?

Okay.

Tuhin Basu

Yeah. Nishant, on the receivable side, on a trailing 12 months, of course, this DSO see an increase, and the KPIs we've reported also show that.

This has got to do with, let's say, the experienced delays on the retail offtake towards the end of the month of September. That has started to normalize, and the cash flows have started to come in also.

We feel that this will get normalized as the year progresses. No concerns in terms of the health of the receivables per se sitting in the balance sheet.

It's the timing, and we'll sort it out soon.

Nishant Rungta

Yeah. Thanks a ton.

Wish you guys very well. All the best.

Shubhabrata Saha

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Diya Jain from Sapphire Capital.

Please go ahead.

Diya Jain

Hi, sir. Thank you for the opportunity.

Sir, you mentioned that we will see a dip in the margins for the whole year, FY26. Can you also comment on how our top line is going to grow for the whole year?

Shubhabrata Saha

I think the question was asked and we had mentioned that we expect that to be early double digits on the top line versus historical averages.

Diya Jain

Do we expect it to get better in FY27? We'll

Shubhabrata Saha

not comment on FY27 at this point in time.

Diya Jain

Sir. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Mayank Bhandari from Asian Market Securities.

Please go ahead.

Mayank Bhandari

Sir, just checking on the recent GST cut that we have seen. Can it benefit us in any way going forward as a lot of our cost is related to auto components?

Shubhabrata Saha

If only. No impact to us positive or negative, it's completely business as usual.

Mayank Bhandari

Okay. What is the update on the capex that we are doing in the second plant, which we were supposed to complete by H2 or for the full year, how much capex we anticipate?

Shubhabrata Saha

See, you'll see that the CWIP is about 35 crores already. We expect another 10-odd crores, 10 to 15 crores for the full year for, let's say, the fourth plant.

The rains have been a bit of a dampener in terms of progress, and we're still targeting H2 closure. As you know that many of the government approvals required to functioning the plant takes at times a bit longer than one anticipates, but no hiccups there as such.

We have more than adequately cash provided to afford the capex.

Mayank Bhandari

Lastly, sir, if you could comment anything on the competition also within the SLCM space, since we have grown very sharply in this first quarter, what do you foresee in the market in terms of SLCM particularly?

Shubhabrata Saha

I think in terms of the number of players has stayed, as you know that this has been a category where both domestic and international players have been around for quite some time. The intensity of competition is no way less or more and stuff like that.

We are keeping a very close watch, both in terms of the product performance of our competitors as much as their commercial policies. Far, good.

We haven't seen any new entrants, but yes, there are potentially people who may be looking at this category, which I cannot speak at this point in time.

Mayank Bhandari

This first half, how would the SLCM market would have grown? Any data point if you could give?

See,

Shubhabrata Saha

given that we are 70% of the market on H1, the market would have also been more in sync with our growth numbers on an H1-to-H1 basis. That's all we can say.

See, I think I must add here that there have been certain unsustainable business practices which may have resulted in part maybe having lesser retail registration in a certain time span because of certain things that people have done. As we mentioned earlier, that in the last two, three months, we've seen our market share is inching up closer to the 80% range, which is a very clear thing that we're going faster than some of our competitors at this point in time.

Mayank Bhandari

Got it. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Mahesh Patil from ICICI Securities.

Please go ahead.

Mahesh Patil

Yeah. Sir, if I look at the Vahan data and compared to that our Q2 numbers, the volumes are surprisingly higher.

Just wanted to get a clarification, why is there so much difference in this quarter particularly? Also if I look at the data again for October, there is significant dip across all the construction equipment players.

Again, given the monsoon is over, just wanted to understand your view on why October has been lower.

Shubhabrata Saha

I'll just go back to the first part of your question. I had mentioned to another question that came in from one of your fellow analysts, and this was related to the practices that were there in the industry where I mentioned that the law allows you to sell and register within a certain stipulated timeframe and it ends on that date.

On the midnight of 30th of June, it had to end. However, we have seen, I cannot label it at any other form other than unsustainable, which are not correct practices, but we've seen that happen from some of our competition, which is why the registration numbers may have looked the way they have looked, which is why the impact on the share that has happened.

As far as October is concerned, yes, the overall industry may have seen those kind of registration numbers that you are alluding to. If you look at it, Ajax's numbers continue to be much stronger.

I do not know which particular part you're referring to, because there are two sets of things. One is our market share and also the industry market share.

If you look at the companies that have registration, other than excavators, anything that plies on the road will have registration. Cranes will not have, let's say, excavators will not have.

If you look at the list of those companies who get this product registered, obviously, there would be some amount of decline in registration based on whatever we've been speaking about in terms of offtake and demand, payment patterns, and so on and so forth. Sentiment has to still pick up.

Mahesh Patil

Sir. Sir, just we have talked a lot on FY26, what about FY27?

How do you see the margins? I'm not talking about the external factors, but maybe our internal factors like price hike, the new capacity, M&E.

What can we expect? Can we expect the margins to go back to FY25 level?

Shubhabrata Saha

Mahesh, I think the question was asked twice. I urge all of you guys to also hear in our answers on the previous questions.

We are not going to comment on FY27 on this call.

Mahesh Patil

Sir. Thank you.

Shubhabrata Saha

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Due to time constraints, that was the last question for today's conference call.

I now hand the conference over to the management of Ajax Engineering for closing comments. Over to you, sir.

Shubhabrata Saha

Thank you all for joining us on today's call. We hope we've been able to address all your questions.

For any further queries or clarifications, please feel free to connect with us or SGA, our Investor Relations partner. Thank you once again.

Operator

Thank you. On behalf of Ajax Engineering Limited, that concludes this conference.

Thank you all for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.