Antony Waste Handling Cell Ltd.

Antony Waste Handling Cell Ltd.

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Q3 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptFebruary 2, 2026

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to Antony Waste Handling Cell Limited Q3 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call. This conference call may contain forward-looking statements about the company, which are based on the beliefs, opinions, and expectation of the company as on the date of this call.

These statements are not the guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict. As a reminder, all participants' line will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask question after the presentation concludes.

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I now hand the conference over to Mr. Jose Jacob, Chairman and Managing Director from Antony Waste Handling Cell Limited.

Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our Q3 FY '26 earnings conference call. With me, I have Mr.

Mahendra Ananthula, our Group President, Operations, Business Development, and Diversification; Mr. Subramanian, our Group CFO; and SGA, our investor relation advisor.

Our investor presentation for Q3 FY '26 is now available on the stock exchange and on our company's website. Before turning to the company's performance, I would like to brief touch upon a few encouraging development from the Union Budget 2026-2027.

The budget places a strong emphasis on strengthening municipal finances through market-based funding mechanism, including a ₹100 crore incentive for single tranche municipal bond issuance, along with continued support under the AMRUT scheme for small and mid-sized cities. Several cities, including Surat, Indore, Ahmedabad, Vadodara, Ghaziabad, and Pimpri-Chinchwad increasingly tapping municipal and green bonds.

These initiative are expected to improve the financial health of urban local bodies, accelerate investment in urban infrastructure, and create a more enabling environment for long-term sanitation and waste management project, an area where the company remains well-positioned to partner with municipalities. In addition, the proposed Partial Credit Guarantee Framework for private developers represents a positive structural reform for the urban infrastructure ecosystem.

The proposed Infrastructure Risk Guarantee Fund is expected to enhance lender confidence, particularly during the development and construction phases of municipal-linked project, such as solid waste management, where revenue visibility typically strengthens over time. By mitigating early-stage risks and lowering the cost of capital, this framework can help attract long-term private investments into essential urban services, improving project viability and affordability, while reinforcing the overall financing framework for sustainable urban infrastructure.

During the quarter and the 9-month period, the company delivered a steady performance driven by strong execution across--

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Jose Jacob Kallarakal

During the quarter and the 9-month period, the company delivered a steady performance driven by strong execution across its integrated municipal solid waste management operations. Operating revenue for the quarter reached ₹240 crores, reflecting a 9% year-on-year growth, supported by higher volume across project sites and contractual tariff-linked escalations.

Enhanced asset utilization and effective on-ground execution further reinforced the scalability of our operating model and disciplined management of long-tenure contracts, positioning the company well to meet India's evolving urban waste management needs sustainability. From a segmental standpoint, the collection and transportation segment recorded steady growth, with receivable increasing 7% year-on-year to ₹175 crores.

The processing segment continued to perform well, delivering a healthy 12% year-on-year growth, with revenues reaching ₹66 crore. This balanced performance across both vertical highlights the strength of our integrated waste management approach, where consistent operational execution is complemented by targeted investment in processing infrastructure, supporting sustainable returns.

Furthermore, our recent project win further strengthen our leadership position in India urban waste management space. The award of two large collection and transportation contract by BMC significantly expand our presence in Mumbai, increasing operational coverage from 2 to 7 wards through a consortium led by our wholly owned subsidiary, AG Enviro Infra Projects Private Limited, with a 51% stake.

These contracts carry a combined revenue potential of approximately ₹1,330 crores over a 7-year tenure, enhancing long-term revenue visibility and providing annuity-like cash flow while offering operating leverage through fleet optimization and route rationalization. In addition, our subsidiary Antony Lara Renewable Energy Private Limited secured a 10-year DBOT concession from Thane Municipal Corporation to set up and operate a 600 to 800 tonnes per day municipal solid waste pre-processing and stabilization facility, backed by a fully reimbursable capital outlay of ₹67 crore.

The project meaningfully expand our processing capabilities and strengthen our focus on RDF generation, landfill diversion, and compliant legacy waste remediation, in line with sustainability and circular economy objectives. Additionally, I would like to highlight that the company successfully completed the merger of AG Enviro Infra Projects Private Limited with Antony Waste Handling Cell Limited, effective from December 31st, 2025, following NCLT approvals.

This consolidation streamlines operation, enhances organizational efficiency, optimizes cash flow, and strengthens the balance sheet, enabling more effective capital allocations towards growth and creating long-term shareholder value. Looking ahead, our focus remains on expanding processing infrastructure, improving operational efficiency, and strengthening our presence across high-growth urban waste management projects.

Backed by a strong operational and financial foundation, we are well-positioned to serve the evolving needs of urban India. As the nation accelerates its shift towards sustainability and circular economy policies, we are fully prepared to deliver solutions that are practical, scalable, and outcome-oriented, creating a long-term value for all our stakeholders.

Thank you. Now turning to the operational aspect, let me get Mahendra in.

Mahendra, over to you. Thank you.

Mahendra Ananthula

Thank you, Jose. I would like to provide an update on the operational performance of Antony Waste Handling Cell Limited.

During quarter three of FY '26, our operations demonstrated strong resilience and consistent execution across all business segments. Our collection and transportation operations handled approximately 0.53 million tonnes of waste, while our processing facilities managed around 0.88 million tonnes of municipal solid waste, reflecting year--

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Mahendra Ananthula

Yeah. Overall, total tonnage for the quarter reached approximately 1.42 million tonnes, marking a solid 19% increase compared to the same period last year.

For the 9-month period, cumulative tonnage stood at approximately 4.01 million tonnes, representing about 12% year-on-year growth, underscoring the scalability and efficiency of our operations. Our waste-to-energy plant at PCMC generated over 2 million green units in the quarter and more than 68 million units during the 9 months ending December '25.

While quarter three generation was lower due to extended shutdown to carry out certain technical modifications, the plant is now fully operational and we expect normalized operations during quarter four of FY '26. The waste-to-energy operations has helped avoid about 1,215 tonnes of CO2 equivalent emissions in quarter three and 6,994 tonnes in 9 months ending December '25, contributing meaningfully to India's renewable energy targets and further reducing our carbon footprint.

The waste-to-energy facility's consistent performance also serves as a benchmark for the upcoming projects in Andhra Pradesh, reinforcing our leadership in sustainable energy from waste. Taking a moment to update on the two Andhra projects at Kadapa and Kurnool, both projects are identical in plant configuration, each with a processing capacity of 750 tonnes per day and a gross power generation capacity of 15 megawatts.

Total project capex is expected to be around INR 600 to 650 crores, with debt-equity ratio of around 75:25. The EBITDA margin would be similar to our PCMC site, which is upwards of 40%.

The concession agreements and power purchase agreements have been executed for both projects, and the land is expected to be transferred within the next 4 to 6 weeks. The plant construction period is 24 months, and the projects are expected to commence revenue generation from FY '29 onwards for the next 20 years.

Our construction demolition waste recycling facility maintained industry-leading efficiency with a 96% recycling rate, highlighting our ability to convert waste into valuable resources and reinforcing our commitment to circular economy principles. Across all facilities, these consistent operational standards reflect our focus on building scalable and sustainable infrastructure solutions.

We also continue to advance our resource recovery initiatives during the quarter. In quarter three of FY '26, the company sold about 37,840 tonnes of refuse-derived fuel and about 4,359 tonnes of compost, while cumulative sales for the 9-month period reached about 1,33,661 tonnes of RDF and about 14,217 tonnes of compost, demonstrating the scale, consistency, and the impact of our waste-to-resource efforts.

In the area of ESG, we made significant progress in advancing our sustainability agenda. Over the 9-month period, Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions were about 19,900 tonnes and 2,650 tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent, respectively, while avoided emissions reached around 7,000 tonnes, highlighting our focus on efficient resource utilization and carbon footprint reduction.

Additionally, our on-ground workforce grew to 10,951 employees, reflecting our ongoing commitment to nurturing a skilled and dedicated team that drives operational excellence across all our operations. Moving forward, our priority will be to integrate sustainability more deeply across our operations, improve efficiency in waste recovery, and advance process optimization through technology and innovation.

With a proven track record of disciplined execution and a focus on technology-driven solutions, we are confident in our ability to surpass evolving environmental standards, set new industry benchmarks in responsible waste management, and creating enduring value for all our stakeholders. Thank you.

Now, I hand over the call to NG for financial highlights.

N.G. Subramanian

Thank you, Mahendra. Good afternoon, everyone.

Let me take you through the consolidated financial performance of Q3 and 9 months ending December '25. In Q3 FY '26, our total operating revenue witnessed a growth of 9%, reaching up to ₹240 crores compared to the same period last year.

For the 9-month period, our total operating revenue stood at ₹696 crores, marking a steady growth of 12%. The Q3 revenue was softer than our expectation, primarily due to lower power sales.

Operator

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Thank you for patiently holding. We have the line for the management reconnected.

Over to you, sir.

N.G. Subramanian

Thank you. Welcome back, and I'm sorry for the disconnect.

Just to go back, in Q3, the operating revenue grew by 9% to ₹240 crores, and for the 9-month period stood at ₹696 crores. The revenue was softer in Q3 primarily due to lower power sales.

In Q3 FY '26, the revenue mix remained largely consistent with the prior year, with C&T contributing to 65% of our revenue, processing being 24%, and contract and other making up the balance 11%. This compares with Q3 FY '25, where the contributions were 65%, 23%, and 12%, respectively.

The stability and diversification of our revenue streams provides the company with strategic flexibility and a foundation for sustained long-term growth. For the quarter, the company reported an EBITDA of ₹50 crores, with margins at 18.4%.

The operating margins were impacted by higher employee costs, a normal occurrence in Q3 due to the annual appraisal and incentive cycle, along with incremental manpower additions to support significant volume increases at select C&T sites. Antony Waste Handling Cell has long prioritized a pro-employee approach, with 95% of its workforce already compliant under the minimum wages categories per the wage code, and the management staff basic pay averaging 40%, allowing seamless adjustment to meet the 50% threshold with minimal impact on gratuity and no change to capped provident fund contributions.

For the remaining workmen, 88% face no wage code effect, while the 12% see only slight incremental adjustments, offset by ESIC contributions effective Jan 2026 that neutralize prior mediclaim costs. The company has appointed experts to assess its correctness, and this matter will be resolved in Q4.

For the 9-month period, our EBITDA was ₹169 crores, with margins standing at 21.4% as per our stated guidance. Depreciation costs have risen by 21% year-on-year.

This is post-capitalization of new project vehicles, with 335 vehicles being added at new NMMC's project and few incremental deployment at PCMC and Nagpur sites. The profit after tax for the quarter was ₹15 crores, and for the 9-month period, our PAT was ₹55 crores.

As of December 2025, the group's gross debt stands at approximately ₹425 crores, with cash and bank balance of around ₹75 crores, resulting in a net debt of approximately ₹350 crores. This indicates a net debt-to-equity of 0.4x.

The group's weighted average cost of debt is approximately 9.1%. We know that the days sales outstanding remained elevated at approximately 114, 115 days during the period, which continues to be a key area of focus for us.

Encouragingly, subsequent collections efforts have yielded positive results, bringing the DSO down to around 96 days. We remain committed to further optimizing our collection processes to sustain this improvement.

Looking ahead over the next 2 years, our recent project wins coupled with steady execution at existing operations position us strongly for sustained growth. Key additions include the Atkoli project, the two BMC C&T contracts, and the two Andhra Pradesh waste-to-energy projects.

These align seamlessly with the government's ambitious Dumpsite Remediation Accelerator Program launched in November '25, targeting Lakshya zero dumpsites by October 2026 through remediation by high-impact legacy sites. This robust platform supports our revenue growth target of 20% CAGR.

Moreover, as higher-value processing contracts gain traction and rising demand for scientific waste remediation and circular economy solutions, we anticipate an improved margin profile of around 22% to 23% going forward as well. This concludes our remarks, and we open the floor for the Q&A.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question-and-answer session.

Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press * and 1 on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press * and 2.

Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles.

The first question is from the line of Ronak Shah from Equirus Securities Private Limited. Please go ahead.

Ronak Shah

Thanks for the opportunity, sir. Sir, my first question is regarding the approval in terms of the escalation.

Now, what is the status of the committees which are likely to give the escalation approval and how you are seeing that will translate into the incremental levels for next 2 to 3 odd

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

years? The escalation for the Noida and Nagpur projects have already been obtained.

We have also received most of the monies thereof. The same goes for the PCMC waste-to-energy project, where the tipping fee--

Operator

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Please stay on the line while I reconnect them. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for patiently waiting.

We have the line for the management reconnected. Over to you, sir.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Yeah. Sorry for the call getting disconnected.

What I was saying is that in the two C&T sites, Nagpur and Noida, had long-pending escalation issues. Both have been resolved.

The client has already paid us most of the money, and we expect the same to receive this year. On the PCMC WTE front, where the tipping fee also is subjected to escalation post COD, that also is approved by the client and we have already received the payment.

From now on, we are getting payment based on the escalated tipping fees. All this has helped us in maintaining our cash flows.

Thank you.

Ronak Shah

Sir, PCMC tipping fees, based on our understanding, is around ₹500 per tonne, which has got increased by around 5% to 6% or is there anything different amount?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

You are right about ₹505 being the tipping fees. With escalation and so on, our current tipping fee is about ₹656 per tonne, which will get escalated every year.

You're right. Because there was a cascading effect of 3 to 4 years cumulatively, so that's why the first escalation was at a higher rate, but going forward, anything between 3% to 5% is a fair assumption.

Ronak Shah

Sir, based on this, our understanding that is PCMC waste to energy project, which usually clocking around ₹40 to ₹50 odd crores of annualized revenue, is likely to inch up by around 5% to 6% odd percent in next 2 to 3 odd years?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

That is a fair assumption because there will be a normalized increase in the revenue from WTE, mainly driven by higher tipping fees led by escalation.

Ronak Shah

Noted, sir. Noted.

Sir, my second question is regarding the new TMC, Thane Municipal Corporation, project. What can be the estimated annualized revenue for these projects and how it differs in terms of the margin profiles from the current projects?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

The Thane project, the construction capex is fully paid by the client. We expect the entire project to be completed in 6 to 8 months and realize the revenue by let's say, December of 2026.

Then thereafter, the O&M will start for 10 years.

Ronak Shah

What can be the quantum? Wait,

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

1 second, let me just calculate. It's about ₹18 to ₹20 crores per annum.

Ronak Shah

Got it, sir. Got it.

That's it from my side. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Amit Agicha from HG Hawa and Co.

Please go ahead.

Amit Agicha

Yeah. Good afternoon, sir, and thank you for the opportunity.

Sir, how intense is the pricing competition in new municipal tenders, and what differentiates Antony versus peers in winning large integrated contracts?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Because it's all segmental. If you are talking about the waste to energy projects, we are witnessing 2 to 3 players at the most per project.

Because the clients also are very keen to attract only companies with experience. That's why there are only less than max 3 to 4 companies.

In the case of Andhra, there were only two bids, one was ours and the second was another competitor. The competition intensity is not so much in waste to energy projects.

It's, of course, a different thing in collection and transportation contracts wherein we, as we explained earlier as well, that lot of these kind of projects also attracts regional players. If you're bidding in Mumbai, there would be about 4 or 5 players.

If we are bidding in Uttar Pradesh, they will again be 4 or 5 players, but those players will not be common, because again there are only 2 or 3 national-level collection and transportation players.

Amit Agicha

Sir, second question is connected to the debt. What is the targeted net debt-to-equity, and can the blended cost of borrowing move below 9%, which is reported?

Operator

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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for patiently waiting. We have the line for the management reconnected.

Over to you, sir.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Thank you, guys. Mr.

Hawa, if you can just repeat your last question, please?

Amit Agicha

Yes. What is the targeted net to debt equity and the company is planning, and where can the blended cost of interest move below the 9%, which is reported?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Currently we are around 0.4x on the net debt-to-equity. With the planned capital expansions at both Atkoli and the AP project, we would in the next couple of years be around 1 to 1.2x our equity, and that is something that is manageable given the balance sheet strength.

That's one. You want to take the other?

N.G. Subramanian

The interest, blended interest rate would be around 9.1% to 9.5% for us over the next couple of years. Our target is to bring it below 9% gradually.

Amit Agicha

Also, can you just put some color on the tyre recycling project which was there?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

There's no fresh update on that.

Amit Agicha

Okay. The last question about the construction and debris, what was the proportion of revenue of that and what is the margin over there?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

The construction and demolition project has not been significant in Q3, mainly because post-monsoon the activity has just not started taking traction. These are not material numbers when we reported the Q3 numbers, but it's EBITDA neutral for now.

Amit Agicha

Okay. Thank you for answering my questions.

All the best.

Operator

Thank you. Participants who wish to ask questions, you may press * and 1 at this time.

The next question is from the line of Neerav Dalal from MIB Securities India. Please go ahead.

Neerav Dalal

Hello. Thank you for the opportunity.

I had a couple of questions. One is that you said that the revenue was slightly lower because of the PCMC electricity revenue was slightly lower.

If you could just let us know what would be the normalized number for that?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

The WTE plant, when it's normally operates, we would have generated close to 9.25 million units, that's assuming a 85% PLF. That would be the kind of generation that we have done.

Translates to approximately around ₹13 to ₹14 odd crore of quarterly revenue.

Neerav Dalal

This quarter it would have been?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

It's been very minimal.

Neerav Dalal

Because

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

the plant was shut down for more than 82 days. Part of it was in the previous quarter and bulk of it was in Q3.

The plant has been operational since December 18 onwards.

Neerav Dalal

Got that. The other thing, in terms of the TMC order that we won, the capex would be funded by the client, right?

That would be part of our project revenues, or how would that be shown as?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

It won't be part of our project revenue. This would be similar to the bridge financing that we will take, build the plant, transfer the assets.

It will be a lump-sum revenue that we'll get as a reimbursement of expenses incurred. It will not be part of the project revenue.

Neerav Dalal

Okay. That will be booked as and when the project will be up for O&M?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Correct. It's a milestone-based payment.

As and when the design, the construction, the equipment procurement, and the hand-over happens, 90% of the capex is reimbursed in a time-bound manner. The balance 10% of the capex will be reimbursed 1 year after the commencement of operation.

Neerav Dalal

When do we expect commissioning of this project?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

By December '26, the plant should be commissioned.

Neerav Dalal

Okay. At the moment, you will not be booking any percentage of completion revenues out of this?

We will book the revenue as and when we raise the bill and the same gets acknowledged by the client.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Correct, sir, but it's not there as part of the current quarter or the 9 months?

Neerav Dalal

No. That's not part of the current quarter.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Okay. Just lastly, in terms of the WTE projects that we are looking at, what are the other opportunities across the country at the moment that is bid for, or there is any expectation of any bids coming up?

As we speak, there is one live tender in the eastern part of the country and a few more are on the drawing board stage. We are expecting a few more tenders in South India, especially Tamil Nadu, in the next two quarters after the elections in Tamil Nadu.

Neerav Dalal

Okay. The size would be similar, say, for the eastern part, would it be similar to Hyderabad or to Andhra or would be different?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

The size is by and large similar, yeah.

Neerav Dalal

Okay. Lastly, now that the BMC elections are done and we have the new party coming in or the elections being completed, do you see any positives, negatives in the next 6 to 12 months out of this?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Collection and transportation contracts are already bid out, and they already have been awarded. With the new standing committee and other general body coming in, we expect decision-making to be faster, and execution should be smoother.

Neerav Dalal

Faster in terms of bidding out, or?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

No, they already have been awarded, right? The execution will be smoother in terms of decision-making.

Neerav Dalal

Okay. Any changes in terms of payment in that?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

No, we don't expect any changes to happen.

Neerav Dalal

No, positive or negative, nothing?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

I think the same as they had tended out, as we have agreed in our proposal.

Neerav Dalal

Okay. As such, there is not much difference except for the execution might improve than what it is currently.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Execution might improve, and of course, financially, we will get revenue getting recorded from next quarter. There won't be any administrative delays now that the elections have happened, with the team being in place and the authorities will be much more empowered.

The delays that we've seen in the last three years should not be there.

Neerav Dalal

Okay. We expect explanations to happen faster, and recoveries to be faster?

Yes.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Siddharth Bhattacharya from Gautam Investments & Infrastructure.

Please go ahead.

Siddharth Bhattacharya

Hi, am I audible?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Yeah.

Siddharth Bhattacharya

Hi. Couple of questions from my end just to understand things in perspective over here.

Basically in two segments, which is C&T as well as processing, just wanted to understand the extent of fixed costs that are built up over here. Because when I look at on quarter-on-quarter Y-o-Y quarterly numbers, there's a average operating leverage built up this versus Q3 FY '25.

Just wanted to understand, what could the swings be likely from here on if you could help me understand that perspective.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

In the collection and transportation business, close to 61% to 64% of our revenue is labor and fuel. The operating leverage is mainly very limited in that aspect to that extent.

The fixed cost is not more than 18% for us, which is vehicle-related costs and thereabouts, the maintenance and the AMCs that we pay. In case of processing, the fixed cost is much higher.

That would be in the range of close to 45% to 50%, given the fact that these are heavy machineries and equipments and hiring costs that needs to be ascertained and given for a duration of the contract.

Siddharth Bhattacharya

Okay. Effectively, if volumes increase in our C&T division as well as processing, what is the operating leverage that kicks in in the subsequent cost?

Is that the right way to look at this?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

In C&T business, when the tonnage increases, there has to be proportionate increase in facilities that needs to be buffed up. If the facilities are adequate, we just have to incur variable costs to manage the extra waste, so that is EBITDA positive.

In case of waste processing, any increase in tonnage has a stepped-up impact on the EBITDA because you have to ensure a certain processing facility, and any significant change only then has a impact on the processing EBITDA.

Siddharth Bhattacharya

Okay. Within the collection and transportation, so, what is the efficiency, operating efficiency, capacity utilization that happens?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

During the first phase of our collection and transportation, the efficiency normally is around 80% to 90%. Over the project life, it goes down to 80%, and then we kind of augment it with hiring additional vehicles during the project life.

Siddharth Bhattacharya

Okay. For our processing, you said we are at 85% today.

How high it can go to?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

We can at the most press the pedal up to 100%, but these are high efficiency, there are always downtime that happen and these are mission-critical activities. We normally would be comfortable with a 90%, 95% max throughput systems in the system.

Otherwise, we have to enhance the capex to kind of take in additional waste.

Siddharth Bhattacharya

Correct. In terms of the volume contract, sir, could you help me understand is there some variation in various quarters that we go through?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Normally, we have seen the tonnages increase during the wet season, which is from June till maybe end of October, because it's also the festival season. If you're looking at 100% of the volumes being in a calendar year, I would say 55% of the tonnage would come in during the wet season and the balance would be the dry season.

Okay. That is some seasonality in our business.

Siddharth Bhattacharya

Got that. If I'm looking now at consolidated growth effectively, it will come in from some volume additions for our C&T as well as processing, plus the new sites that we sort of get contracts for over the next few years, right?

Is that the way to look at it?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

That's the right way of looking at it.

Siddharth Bhattacharya

Okay. Thank you so much, sir.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Hemkesh Khattar from Green Portfolio Management Services.

Please go ahead.

Hemkesh Khattar

Hello, sir. Thank you for taking my question.

Just wanted to get a clear picture on the revenue side because in the last 3 years, our revenue has grown at a CAGR of 13%, while the management has continued to give a guidance of long-term growth of 20%. That has not materialized so far.

When can we expect the incremental revenue to pick up from all the projects that the company is doing?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Mainly because of elected members not being part of the municipal machinery, there has been significant delay in new project wins and allotments happening. Now that bulk of the elections have happened, we see growth kicking in.

The two AP projects, the Atkoli project, and the MCGM contracts that we bagged kind of ensures that we will be able to work in that trajectory and achieve the 20% CAGR growth.

Hemkesh Khattar

Sir. Regarding the ROC also, that has also remained around 12% only.

Do you expect the ROC also to improve going forward?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

In the kind of projects that we have, the capex is upfront. Over a period of time, you will see ROC and ROIC kind of improve gradually.

Hemkesh Khattar

Sir. Regarding the Andhra plants, so, as you said before that you expect both the plants to start commercial operations in FY '29, will the both plants get operationalized simultaneously?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

That's right, because both the projects were awarded simultaneously, are moving parallely. Maybe there will be a lag of one or 1 month purely because of the land handover date.

Both of them will get commissioned almost simultaneously, with maximum lag of maybe 1 or 2 months.

Hemkesh Khattar

Sir. Are there any other waste to energy plants that we are targeting?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

As I just mentioned, there is one live tender in eastern part of the country, and there are a few more tenders as waste municipalities are making in Tamil Nadu, which should come out after the state elections in May.

Hemkesh Khattar

Okay. Thank you, sir.

That's it from my side.

Operator

Thank you. Anyone who wishes to ask a question, you may press * and 1 at this time.

The next question is from the line of Shivam Parakh from Valuewise Wealth Management. Please go ahead.

Shivam Parakh

Yeah. Good afternoon, sir.

Thanks for the opportunity. I had two questions.

First question was I needed an update on the dividend strategy post the merger. Second question was more of a clarificatory part.

I needed clarification on the order won for collection and transportation. So, ₹1,330 crore order was over a 7-year period.

Is that Antony's revenue potential over the 7-year period or the combined revenue potential of all the three players in the joint venture? Thanks.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

On the dividend part, I think with the merger getting completed, we are in a much better position on the cash flows front to start initiating this process. The board is evaluating that part.

On the revenue potential, yes, the entire revenues of the SPV, the 1,000 odd crores that we have mentioned is of the revenue potential of the SPV.

Shivam Parakh

Okay. All the three players combined?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Yes.

Shivam Parakh

Okay. So, 51% joint venture, out of the ₹1,330 crore, 51% would be the revenue coming for Antony, right?

No,

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

it's a consolidation. Since Antony owns the majority of the company, as part of the consolidation, the entire 100% of the revenue and expenses and the debt will be in our books, and a proportionate profit will be taken out as minority interest.

Shivam Parakh

Sir. Got it.

Sir, again on the dividend front, could we expect in financial year '27 for the dividend to come up for shareholders?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

The board will be taking a call on that, and we'll keep you updated on the same.

Shivam Parakh

Sir. Thank you, sir.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ronak Shah from Equirus Securities Private Limited.

Please go ahead.

Ronak Shah

Thanks for the follow-up, sir. Sir, my question is regarding your aspiration for the 20% growth with the 22% to 23% EBITDA margin.

Considering the Andhra project, which are going to have some contracts revenue as well, optically is it possible that your reported EBITDA margin for next 1 and 1/2 to 2 odd years will marginally look on a lower side?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Yeah. This will be similar to the phase that we were in when the construction of the PCMC was going on.

The EBITDA margin would be lower in that sense because of the IND AS impact. We will be reporting the core EBITDA margin and the reported EBITDA margin separately, as we have done in the past.

Ronak Shah

Got it, sir. Sir, can you clarify on a green unit generation quantification, because in the second quarter's presentation, there are 66 million plus unit generated in the first half.

In the current presentation, it has stepped down to 44 odd million?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Because in the quarter 3, we had a shutdown of 82 days because we were undertaking some technical modifications. That's why the drop in PLF in quarter 3.

Ronak Shah

Okay. Because the cumulative number is altogether different in second quarter's presentation and third quarter's presentation.

That's why I'm asking.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

We will check on that, and maybe we'll revert.

Ronak Shah

Thank you, sir.

Operator

Thank you. Participants who wish to ask a question, you may press * and 1 at this time.

The next question is from the line of Nitesh Kawantkar, an individual investor. Please go ahead.

Thanks for the opportunity. I just have one feedback before I ask my question.

There was five five times occasion where the call got disconnected. Maybe next call, can you please ensure there's proper connectivity because it's quite disturbing, such a big company and then there's frequent disconnection of call, okay?

Coming to my question, how do you see the revenues growing up for the next year? That's my first question.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

The revenue growth for the next year based on the Atkoli and maybe incremental capex should be in the range of 15% to 18% for us. That's based purely on the contracts that we have already executed, signed, and the run rate that we are seeing on a consistent basis.

Okay. That means this year we will end up roughly about ₹1,000 crores, next year we should be ending roughly ₹1,200 crores.

Am I right?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

That's a target that we have set internally. The timing of the same is based on the capex rollout and the timely completion of the projects.

Okay. I understand we've been iterating that the EBITDA margin would inch up slowly 22%, 23%.

Will that still remain intact?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Yes. If you look at the 9-month number, we are around 21 odd percent, we try to keep that EBITDA as a threshold between 22% to 23%.

Okay. Again, when do you see a massive growth for the company?

I understand we target to achieve 20%, 25%, and it's going to be lumpy, but with this going on, right, we are just about ₹1,400 crore company. What are your plans actually to make the company big?

The

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

growth for us is based on couple of factors. One is bankable projects that is awarded by the municipality sector.

That is one of the main drivers for the growth of Antony. If you look at Antony from 1997 onwards till 2010, we were around a ₹300 crore turnover entity.

From 2020 onwards, from a ₹400 odd crore, we have now come out to a ₹900 odd crore company. Now, the traction in the municipal solid waste is significantly better today than what it was a decade back.

We feel enthused that we can continue the growth rate consistently, and given the balance sheet, we should be able to target this 20%, 25% CAGR growth comfortably. You also need to understand that the counterparty over here is the municipalities, which are slightly tough paymasters.

We are pretty cautious and also measured in our growth and the selection of clients. That is something that we need to watch out for.

Having said that, the board is also cognizant of the fact of moving significantly away from the municipality-only business. We are looking at non-municipal businesses like getting into click-to-clean business, which is a more B2C kind of an area.

We are looking at EPR market. We are looking at electricity boards as a client when it comes to waste to energy businesses.

We are trying to increase our canvas a bit and also ensure that we are true to our core operating strength.

Okay. Just one suggestion from my end, okay?

Because when I was young, right, I wanted to do a startup where I pay someone like B2C and collect the garbage and in turn recycle it. Now, I'm basically from Bangalore, and Bangalore, everywhere people dump garbage, okay?

There's no responsibility from anyone to actually wait for the garbage collectors to collect. Can we do something very niche here because everywhere they dump garbage?

Can we do a new initiative where we pay and then collect and recycle, so that we get away from this contracts from just municipalities?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

See, in municipalities or municipal waste, there are two segments of waste. One is the dry waste, which is the recyclable, which has got value.

There's already a reasonably organized sector managed by the informal sector. The ragpickers and the aggregators that you see, they are the people who actually make sure and they have their value chain and activity chain already defined.

For the wet waste, which is lying on the road and so on, that has got no commercial value, right? There is a responsibility of the collection and transportation contractor to collect it and take it to the processing site or landfill, as municipality may direct them to.

Because the reason, right, I've worked even in Chennai for 3 years. I see there also they dump in that OMR road and they burn the garbage everywhere, because I feel there's a huge potential for the business.

Maybe there's a lot of value unlocking needs to happen.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

See, that kind of things will not continue for long. As you have also seen repeatedly, 2016 rules and now the new 2026 rules and so on, there is a shift to much more stringent regulatory and governance practices.

Those days probably are behind us, and municipalities have no option but to engage professional organizations to manage their waste management services.

Okay. Thanks a lot for the opportunity.

All the best.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Rohan Mehta from Nexus Capital.

Please go ahead.

Rohan Mehta

Thank you for the opportunity, sir. Am I audible?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Yes.

Rohan Mehta

Yes. I have two questions.

Firstly, it would be very helpful if you could share the contribution from the construction demolition segment in this quarter and the 9-month period. How do you see it, how much do you see the contribution as for the full year and going forward for FY '27?

Just in general, your view on the construction demolition segment. Are we bidding for new C&D projects currently or how are we looking at that segment going forward?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

As of now, the contribution of C&D business is 5%. We expect this to at least double in the next financial year.

Rohan Mehta

Fair. It will be broadly 5% in the quarter and overall for the year, broadly ballpark that range?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

That's right, yeah.

Rohan Mehta

Okay. Thank you.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

There are some policy changes which the client is doing now, because of which we expect the revenues to grow sharply in the next few quarters.

Rohan Mehta

Fair enough. Sir, secondly, just wanted if you could provide any update on recent bids or contracts that we are participating in in general apart from C&D.

What kind of projects are we sort of looking at or prioritizing? Say, processing projects, or collection and transportation projects?

Just wanted to get your overall view on that.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

We are focusing on both processing as well as the collection and transportation, with special focus on processing because that's what we want to increase the share of processing business in our company. Having said this, we also are extremely careful and choosy about selecting the right project, the right city, and the project configuration.

Because what we have realized is that there is no point in winning a project only to make losses in that. We are careful and in terms of projects, as we mentioned that we have already successfully concluded two waste to energy projects in Andhra Pradesh, one Thane Municipal Corporation pre-processing project, the two Mumbai C&T contracts.

There are a few tenders which are in the anvil, and the next few quarters, we should be able to get a few more projects.

Rohan Mehta

Sure. Absolutely.

No, thank you so much for that answer, sir. Wishing you all the best.

That's it from my side.

Operator

Thank you. A reminder to all the participants who wish to ask a question, you may press * and 1 at this time.

To ask a question, please press * and 1 now. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question.

I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Jose Jacob for the closing comments.

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Before we conclude, I will take a moment to express my heartfelt appreciation to our entire team for their unwavering commitment and exceptional contributions. Your dedication and hard work have been instrumental in driving our success and sustaining our growth momentum.

As we look forward, our focus remains firmly on delivering consistent performance, enhancing shareholder value, and strengthening our leadership in sustainable waste management. We will continue to invest in innovation, technology, and operational excellence to further consolidate our position in the industry.

I am truly excited about the journey ahead as we continue to build a cleaner, greener, and more sustainable future for our communities and stakeholders. Thank you once again for your continued trust and support, and I wish everyone a very pleasant evening.

Operator

We have the last question from Shivam Parakh from Valuewise Wealth Management. Please go ahead.

Shivam Parakh

Thank you so much for the follow-up. Post the commercialization of two Andhra waste to energy projects in financial year '29, what could be the revenue targeting for the company?

Jose Jacob Kallarakal

Targeting about-- Post the AP projects commercial operation, we expect close to around ₹90 to ₹140 crores of annual revenue to start in the first couple of years, and that will scale up to around ₹130 to ₹140 odd crores going forward. This will be over and above the ₹1,000 odd crore of revenue that we have in our system.

Okay.

Shivam Parakh

Got it. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. On behalf of Antony Waste Handling Cell Limited, that concludes this conference.

Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.