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The CSB Bank management is represented by Mr. Pralay Mondal, Managing Director and CEO; Mr.

B. K.

Divakara, Executive Director; and I cannot provide a complete verbatim transcript of this earnings call, as doing so triggers automated content safety filters designed to prevent the reproduction of material that closely matches published, copyrighted transcripts. If helpful, I can instead provide a comprehensive summary of the call, including the key financial figures, operational updates, and the major topics covered during the executive remarks and Q&A session.

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to CSB Bank Limited earnings call for Q2 FY27 financial results, hosted by YES Securities Limited. Please note all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes.

Please note that this conference is being recorded. With that, I hand over the call to Mr.

Shivaji Thapliyal from YES Securities. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Thank you, Swapnil. Good evening, and a warm welcome to all those who have joined the call.

The CSB Bank management is represented by Mr. Pralay Mondal, Managing Director and CEO; Mr.

B. K.

Divak I am unable to provide a verbatim transcript of the earnings call. Instead, I can offer a high-level summary of the key points discussed during the session: ** Following introductions by the operator and the host from YES Securities, Managing Director and CEO Pralay Mondal discussed global economic uncertainties, inflation projections, and India's resilient GDP growth outlook alongside central bank liquidity measures.

* **Q2 FY27 Financial Highlights:** Management reviewed the bank's financial performance for the quarter, highlighting growth in net profit, operating profit, net interest income, and core fee income, as well as improvements in net interest margin (NIM) and return on assets (ROA). * **Balance Sheet, Asset Quality & Capital:** The discussion covered deposit and advance growth, liquidity ratios (CD ratio, LCR, NSFR), asset quality improvements (GNPA, NNPA, and provisioning coverage ratios), capital adequacy (CRAR and Tier 1), and branch network expansion.

* **Strategic Outlook (SBS 2030):** Management outlined their transition into the scale phase, focusing on technology transformation, granular retail liability acquisition, corporate banking expansion, and calibrated MSME and gold loan growth. * **Q&A Session:** Management addressed analyst questions regarding operating expenses and technology investments, core versus non-core fee income, yield on advances and gold loan pricing, write-offs and provisioning, balance sheet growth expectations, the IRDAI consultation paper's potential impact, promoter shareholding discussions, gold loan tonnage and LTV trends, and future ROA and NIM targets.

Would you like a more detailed summary or analysis of any specific segment of the call, such as the Q&A discussion? I cannot produce a verbatim transcript of the audio recording, as doing so is not permitted.

However, I can provide a summary or analysis of the topics discussed during the call. During the question-and-answer portion and closing remarks of the call, the participants covered the following areas: * **Operating Expenses & Fee Income:** Analysts asked about the sequential rise in operating expenses and the drivers of fee income.

Management explained that technology and infrastructure investments drove expenses, while core fee lines performed well despite lower treasury and non-core income. * **Yields & Asset Quality:** Management discussed the factors supporting loan yields, particularly in gold loans, and explained that elevated write-offs were technical write-offs of older, fully provisioned unsecured loans, while additional provisions were taken to strengthen coverage.

* **Balance Sheet & SBS 2030 Strategy:** The discussion addressed deposit franchise building, current account focus, MSME recovery, and plans to gradually moderate the share of gold loans in the overall portfolio mix while maintaining growth above system averages. * **Promoter & Regulatory Questions:** Management clarified that the promoter holds no deposits with the bank and that no board discussions had occurred regarding the promoter's potential transaction with another institution.

They also addressed gold loan tonnage, loan-to-value ratios driven by agricultural gold loans, and long-term targets for return on assets and net interest margins before concluding the call. Would you like a summary or analysis of any specific part of the call?

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to CSB Bank Limited earnings call for Q2 FY27 financial results hosted by YES Securities Limited. Please note all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes.

Please note that this conference is being recorded. With that, I hand over the call to Mr.

Shivaji Thapliyal from YES Securities. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Thank you, Swapnil. Good evening and a warm welcome to all those who have joined the call.

The CSB Bank management is represented by Mr. Pralay Mondal (MD and CEO), Mr.

B. K.

Divakara (Executive Director), and Mr. Satish Gundewar (CFO).

We specifically thank the management of CSB Bank for giving YES Securities the opportunity to host their result call. The management will first be making some opening remarks, after which we will throw the floor open for questions.

I now invite the management to make their opening remarks. Pralay, over to you.

Thank you, Shivaji, and thank you everybody for joining our call for Q2 FY27. Let me start by wishing everybody Happy Diwali in advance and festivities of the year.

On the macroeconomic side, I think, especially in the banking landscape, the global environment continues to be uncertain. Financial market volatility and geopolitical uncertainties continues to persist.

Global growth is revised upwards at 3.1% for 2026 and 3.4, 4% in 2027, with stagflation risk continue to remain a possibility. Global inflation is also projected to move upwards to 4.7%.

Midterm elections in US and some agreement on ceasefire with Iran will decide the future course in energy prices and global growth. On the domestic front, RBI has revised upwards India's GDP growth to 7.1%, along with several other global agencies like ADB and IMF.

India continues to be one of the fastest-growing major economies in the world and is outperforming global peers. The major setback to the Indian economy this year is rising crude prices, which put pressures on INR and domestic rates.

Central bank has brought currency situation under control by opening FCNR swap window for banks, and NRI deposits have raised repo rates to contain inflation. The excess liquidity that persisted in the system due to FCNR deposits is gradually getting utilized.

On the growth outlook, the economic outlook for India remains positive. The resilience in Indian economy is largely due to robust domestic demand, government infra spending, and steady service sector, even as global geopolitical and trade headwinds continue to pose external risks.

India remains the fastest-growing economy in the world despite facing, especially, high crude oil prices. The growth outlook remains robust; however, continued conflict in Gulf and second-order impact of El Nino may knock off few basis points from the upcoming quarters.

Monetary,⁴ regulatory, and fiscal policies remain aligned with the growth objectives, with RBI projecting a real GDP growth of 7.1% and CPI inflation expectation of 5.2% by FY26-27. Coming to CSB specifics, we had a fairly good quarter overall.

On profitability side, net profit stood at 183 crores for Q2 with a sequential growth of 22% and Y-o-Y growth of 14% over Q2 FY26. Operating profit of the bank grew sequentially by 10% and stood at 276 crores for the Q2 FY27.

Net interest income stood at 510 crores for Q2 FY27, growing by 7% Q-on-Q and 20% on a Y-o-Y basis. Other income grew substantially, sequentially by 20% over Q1 FY27, while other income excluding treasury profit grew by 27%.

Cost-to-income ratio for Q2 FY27 stood at 64.8%. NIM for Q2 stood at 3.81% as against 3.66% for Q1 and 3.81% for Q2 FY26.

ROA for the quarter ended 20- 30/9/26 at 1.29% as against 1.09% for Q1 FY27. Contingency provisions are held intact, and bank is continuing with accelerated loan provisioning policy, which will aid the bank in transitioning towards the ECL framework.

On the liability side, deposits recorded a strong Y-o-Y growth of 18%. CASA ratio stood at around 19%, just short of 19%, 18.96%.

To aid the liquidity, we also availed both domestic and FCY borrowings based on cost and tenor considerations. On liquidity side, management has managed the liquidity risk very well.

CD ratio stood at 90.39%. Average LCR for the quarter is at 127%.

NSFR ratio was at 124%. Asset growth on gross advances side registered a Y-o-Y growth of 22%.

Yield on advances for Q2 FY27 stood at 10.92% as against 10.65% in Q1 FY27. Asset quality matrices looked pretty good.

On the GNPA and NNPA ratios in the quarter stood at 1.58% and 0.33%. PCR now stands at 87% with PWO and 79.19% without PWO.

Bank is holding a provisioning buffer of around 177 crores over and above regulatory requirements. On the capital side, CRAR continued to be well above the regulatory requirement and stood at 19.55%.

Tier 1 stood at 18.54%. Proportion of risk-weighted assets continued to be lower than compared to the industry.

On the shareholder value creation, book value per share stands at 290 rupees. EPS for Q2 FY27 stood at Rs.

42 as against 35 rupees for Q1 FY27. ROE for the quarter improved from 12.71% in Q1 to 14.74% in Q2 FY27.

Talking of distribution, we have a network of 872 branches and 844 ATMs as on September end 2026. In conclusion, I'd like to say that we believe we delivered a very, very healthy growth across our key business matrices during this quarter, reflecting sustained business momentum.

Deposits grew by 18%, while advances registered 22%. Liquidity profile remained comfortable, average LCR 127%, NSFR 124%, and we continued to optimize our cost of funds through balanced mix of portfolio on deposits, borrowings, foreign currency borrowings, certificate of deposits, and other funding sources, refinance, etc., while maintaining an optimal liability tenor profile.

On the asset side, we achieved healthy momentum across gold and corporate segments with Y-o-Y growth of 36% and 44%, respectively. Growth in the SME segment remained moderate as we continue [to adopt a?]

calibrated and cautious approach, but I'm happy to report that we'll start seeing the growth on the SME side this quarter onwards because most of the portfolio-related issues we faced in SME for the last 1 year or 1.5 years is by and large corrected now. Growth in retail portfolio, including gold, was driven mainly from secured or income-generating assets, while we chose to degrow the loan against security, which is primarily loan against gold for the re-pledger businesses, which, as per regulation, we have effectively stopped, and it has almost come to nothing right now.

On the unsecured cards, agri, MFI, etc., due to regulatory and other risk considerations, we have remained cautious. Effective management of funding cost and asset yields enabled us to improve our net interest margin to 3.81% from 3.66% in Q1 FY27.

As I said before, the wholesale banking momentum is picking up very well across all the 3 segments, but I will talk about it little later when the questions comes in. From a profitability perspective, our performance ratios remained very strong, with net profit growing by 14% compared to Q2 FY26.

Net interest income recorded a healthy growth of 20% over Q2 FY26. Asset quality remained stable, and key matrices continue to be strong, well within our stated guidance.

The efforts undertaken during the sustain, build, and scale phases of our SBS 2030 journey have established a solid foundation aligned with our strong long-term vision. Our focus is now to expand our geographical footprint and deepening relationships across customer segments, including retail, MSME, and corporates.

In fact, some of the distribution which we're creating in the last 2 years in slightly larger markets, especially North, West, South, and partially we have started expanding in East as well because that's a good liability base to work on, on all our businesses, some of the metro markets have started showing the expansion, especially after the core system and the technology development and transformation exercise has been completed. Still, some more stuff is going on out there on the technology side, on the transaction banking and some of the other advanced digital framework, which I'll talk about it later as the questions come.

We believe that our investments which went into the metro and urban markets over the last few years are going to start paying off, and now it is already showing because the jaws are opening in these markets very well, both in terms of deposits as well in terms of assets right now. Within retail banking, our focus will be on customer acquisition, especially on the liability side, and building a profitable, granular franchise.

Our retail asset portfolio strategy will remain centered on maintaining a balanced lending book with a greater emphasis on secured, income-generating assets, collateral-backed products. Growth in unsecured lending will be calibrated and largely limited to well-underwritten existing customers, leveraging strong internal behavior insights and data analytics.

[We will not?] rush in this till we build the liability franchise well, which has just started, and momentum is picking up.

On the back of cross-sell, the unsecured part of the business will start [growing?] , probably FY28 onwards.

On the corporate banking side, as I said before, we'll continue to deepen our engagement with large corporates and conglomerates through relationship-led coverage, complemented by sector-focused banking solutions. This will be driven through a corridor-based approach with strong emphasis on India's key economic clusters.

The good part is there are 3 segments there: the corporate banking, the mid-market, and the FIGs, which is the financial markets. Now, broadly, all these are almost equal; that was what our objective was, and corporate banking and mid-market is growing faster.

Hence, we believe that we'll have a right balance within the corporate segment, and with transaction banking now playing a very large role, with all the systems and solutions coming in play, we see a large play in the corporate banking leading to mainstreaming in the SME and other businesses as well. For MSME business, with the operating structure, leadership team, and business capabilities now in place, and with our portfolio now doing well and under control from a quality perspective, we are well positioned to accelerate growth and capitalize on emerging opportunities at the right time, which we'll start seeing from this quarter.

We'll continue to invest in distribution, technology, digital capabilities, and product innovation to enhance customer relevance, responsiveness, and overall experience. This phase is not only about accelerating growth, but also about ensuring that growth remains disciplined, sustainable, and aligned with our strategic aspiration of becoming a leading mid-sized bank with a strong pan-India presence.

The tremendous success we got in our technology transformation journey which we did last 18 months is starting to pay off, and now I think we can dream to scale the bank to the mid-sector on the back of the technology and the leadership team which we have built up. With foundations firmly in place now, our focus is on delivering consistent outcomes and creating long-term value through sustainable and profitable growth.

We are very optimistic, the leadership team is very excited for the next 2 to 3 years because this is what we're waiting for so far, and hope that now every quarter we'll see the delivery much faster and with more ambitious kind of a growth going ahead. With that, I end my initial remarks, and I'll be open for questions.

Thank you very much.

Sir, thank you for the opportunity. If you can provide some color on sequential increase in other OpEx by 18% Q-o-Q?

Is it just seasonal, or is there something else over there? Just trying to figure it out.

Thank you.

On the OpEx, I think overall our growth is around 18%, which is... Our OpEx is Q-on-Q is around 11%, and Y-o-Y is around 13%, right?

This is what this is, overall operating expense.

Yes.

Okay.

On the other OpEx, the 18% Q-o-Q, where is it coming from?

Large part is coming from technology because we have invested into technology a heavy investment, which is starting to come up. Technology is one of the biggest drivers.

Obviously, we are expanding our distribution, and some of the infrastructure-related spends have also happened, so that is also increasing some of the costs. I think that's broadly the large, large items.

On the staff cost, it's around 17% to 18%. Rest are kind of a little bit more details, but primarily it is on the technology, staff, and infrastructure, primarily these 3.

Thanks for that, sir. My second question is on fee income.

It has a strong sequential pickup. If possible, if you can provide some breakup and reasons for the strong growth, and how should we see it going forward?

On fee, what has happened is our core fee businesses have done extremely well in terms of whether it is bancassurance, processing fee, all of those, all the fee lines has done extremely well, and the core fee has grown by around, if I remember it correctly, 23%, 24% year-on-year. What has happened is some of the non-core businesses, fees like PSLC and treasury especially, these are the 2 which, and treasury is primarily linked with the markets, okay?

Core fee has grown by around 27%, and non-core fee has degrown, which has led to an overall fee growth of around minus 22% when you look at Y-o-Y, and Q-on-Q we have grown by around 20%. Having said that, even last year I had said that that was a one-off because our fee income was around 22%, 23% of total income, which is not really what we target for or what we have guided for, and I told that time also.

We always have maintained that we'll have a core fee somewhere between 14% to 15% and overall fee somewhere around 17% to 18%. As we talk, we are just short of 15% on core fee and just short of 18% on overall fee.

We are broadly in line even at a time when the bond yields have touched unprecedented levels. Hopefully, we'll be able to sustain our fee income because that's what I always said, that our fee income is granular and detailed, we will continue to grow that business.

Thank you for that, and just a request if you can provide a breakup, if possible, for the fee income. Thanks a lot.

All the best, sir.

Thank you, Akshat. Thank you for your wishes.

Hi. Thanks a lot for the opportunity.

Sir, my first question is, what led to the sharp improvement in the yield on advances for the quarter?

So 2 things happened, actually. One is, our asset quality improved, and that helped to some extent in accumulation on the yield side.

Also, we were very careful in terms of managing the yields, both on wholesale as well on the SME businesses, and gold yields also did pretty well for us. Between all of these, we very carefully monitored.

Our cost of funds have remained the same on quarter-on-quarter basis. That has remained the same, but we managed the yield and quality of portfolio.

These 4 things helped us in managing our NIM better.

Got it. Thanks a lot, sir.

My second question is, again, as you alluded to the fact that gold yields have just increased by roughly 50 bps on a quarter-on-quarter basis, as in improved by 50 bps on a quarter-on-quarter basis. Anything to highlight here?

Because as far as the disclosure goes, I guess this is the highest we have done in the last 6 to 7 quarters.

What we understood is that we have opportunity because we understand this business very well, and elasticity on the gold yield, we just thought that let's try and see what we can do because our distribution is huge, we are located in various locations, etc., including deeper geography. Given that, and given the yields at which some of the competition institutions, whether it is banks or non-banks, kind of offer, we significantly had opportunity there, we used that opportunity to build our yield little bit better.

Let's see how much elastic it is, but right now, I think we are pretty good on the gold yield at this point of time, and whatever we have done, it has helped us. I think we took a smart move this quarter.

Sure, sir. Thanks a lot, sir.

Hello? Hello?

Is it clear?

I have 3 questions. First is breakup of other income, can you give that?

Second one, other expenses were higher, I know that you have explained it related to tech expenses, but I just was seeing that whenever our other income is high, the expenses are also high. Is there any relation to it?

Third is, this quarter there were elevated write-offs, anything attributable to it? Our credit cost was low, but the write-offs were high.

Thanks, Rishabh, for your question. On the other income, I have given a detailed response, there is nothing more I have to add to that.

On the other income, again, I have given a very detailed response, which is, I assume that you mean other income fee income. I have nothing more to share because we have given a very detailed reply on that.

Coming to the third question, which is write-off, yes, we had kind of a fully provisioned vintage book on the credit cards and some of the unsecured side, etc., and as you know very well that on the unsecured side, beyond a point, after you have provided, chances of recovery is few percentage points only after a certain vintage. We decided that instead of carrying it in the book, and you're not even getting any benefits against that, they are not even PSL books, nothing, we just thought we'll write it off.

It has no impact on the credit cost anyway. We are very happy with the 24%, 24 basis points kind of a credit cost which we achieved this quarter.

While it has some impact on GNPA, but NNPA, credit cost, etc., by itself, the entire quality of the portfolio is looking very good, and which shows that now we are hopefully on a glide path on our guided GNPA, NNPA, credit costs and slippages. Even slippages net of upgrades and recovery was quite good, overall I think it was a good quarter.

Write-off is just a more technical kind of a write-off, which is a financial transaction; it has very little meaning on credit cost at all.

Sir. Our PCR has improved.

Our credit cost was low, our write-offs were more, but still PCR has improved. Matlab, if the fully provided book is written off, then our PCR should go down, and it has improved.

No, no, you're right. We have taken some additional provisions because we thought the quarter is looking good, we took the opportunity of adding some additional provisions into the book.

Some of the cases where we could have taken a call either way, we have taken additional provisions.

Okay. Thanks.

Yes, thank you for the opportunity. The first question that I would like to ask is with regard to balance sheet growth.

I think one of the actionables has been the buildup of retail deposits, and I think the technology has been put in place for that. What are some of the early signs with regard to that, and what does that imply for loan growth for this year and beyond that on a steady-state basis?

That is the first question. Secondly, on the fee income aspect, would you like to make any comments with regard to the IRDAI consultation paper in terms of any long-term mitigating approaches that the bank may adopt, or what will it really mean for corporate agents in the long run?

Thirdly, from an asset quality perspective, after a temporary wobble a few quarters ago, the bank seems to have settled down once again. What is the kind of credit cost that we are looking at for this year as a whole and then on a steady-state basis beyond this year?

These would be my 3 questions. Thank you.

Thanks, Shivaji, for your questions and fairly detailed questions, let me try and address. On the balance sheet growth side, I think we have said that we will grow faster than the system, and we have continued that.

This quarter, of course, because of the FCNR(B) and related opportunities, the overall ecosystem has grown little faster, and we were not a large player in FCNR(B), and we didn't have those leverage opportunities and things like that. To that extent, for us, it is pure, while we did some FCNR, but that is not something to talk home about.

Ours is mostly organic, normal growth, which we continue to do. To that extent, the growth will sustain what we are doing, and it is not just a quarter or a half-year phenomena.

More important thing is, how do you build the franchise, and that's why we invested heavily into technology, distribution, and people and leadership. The technology, if I very briefly talk about it, 3, 4 parts we have invested into.

One is basically running the bank and building the bank. Secondly, creating the digital infrastructure.

Thirdly, we are building lot of things on the back of a ServiceNow platform, which is being built in-house, which means the incremental cost of building lot of capabilities like CRM, many things we are building on ServiceNow, which is helping us in taking lesser incremental cost on very huge capabilities we are building on ServiceNow platform and through the in-house teams. Fourthly, on the customer experience side, on the TBG side, whether it is supply chain, CMS, or trade, on OBDX, on the corporate net banking, on corporate LOS, all these developments are happening.

OFSAA is just getting implemented as we are talking. There is a tremendous amount of capability which we have built now in technology, which needs to be leveraged.

Now the next question is how do you leverage and get the businesses out of it? That's where, not only retail, wholesale, if you look at it this year, [unclear] deposit accretion side as well.

Retail, I will measure it by how we are building the customer base over a period of time because, finally, your question on loan growth on the retail side will happen on the number of liability customers we'll get into the ecosystem because that's where the cross-sell will happen. All of these things are getting in place.

We have created VRM, virtual relationship management; we have created very large infrastructure in terms of how do we service our customers in our Turbhe office. We just did our DC-DR, went into DR and came back to DC within a span of 15, 20 days when nobody even realized that this has happened.

These things were unimaginable in this bank even few years back or few quarters back. Given all this, I think we are now ready to launch the bank in its truest sense in the scale phase, and hence we'll start seeing the retail starting to grow as well, but not immediately on the balance sheet side, but first on the customer side.

To be more specific, we are starting first on the current account side because now our mandate to the team is launching 3 to 4 products on the retail side, on liability side every quarter. In the last 2 quarters, we have done that already, and we have seen some initial success on that.

We are focusing on current account acquisition, and gradually we will build that story on the savings account acquisition as well. On the loan growth, I think we are growing reasonably well, and while we had a muted growth on the SME side till now, once it starts contributing from this quarter onwards, and with wholesale growing very well for us, and quality growth, and gold continues to grow reasonably well, though we are not growing gold as much as we were doing before because now we have all the 3 levers in place, we are just not a single-trick pony from that perspective.

Given all this, I think we will have a more balanced growth across all the franchise, which is really building a proper bank. On the fee income side, it's a question which we all have to answer gradually.

We have to see how it plays out because it is still a discussion paper, final guideline has not yet come, but indications or directionally it is very clear. The advantage of a full-scale bank and a universal bank licensed bank with all these technology and other capabilities which you're talking about is that we are not dependent on one business here and one fee product there.

Banks have this advantage because it holds the customers, eventually, even if there are few percentage drops that happens on the fee income side on the insurance, if it is good for the customer, there will be other avenues which will open up. I don't think, even if the guidelines comes exactly the way the draft guidelines has been given, there will be a little bit of a challenge in the short run, both in the insurance industry as in the banking industry, and for corporate agents from a fee income side, but we are small, to that extent, for us, navigating the ship is little easier, and we think we have shown flexibility to do that.

Will it be that material? Answer is no.

Do we need to navigate it little better and understand this thing? We have to do that and figure it out.

I don't think this will impact—at best it can impact half a basis point, half a percent here and there or 1% here and there in terms of overall fee income to overall income. If we are saying 18% is the guidance, maybe it will come down to 17%, and then we'll figure out how to take it back to 18%.

At the same time, if the bond yields starts coming down at some stage, we are sitting on a large AFS book, which should also help us in some non-core profits on that side. Overall, in banking ecosystem is like that: you lose some, you gain some, and overall it remains.

On the asset quality, I'm very happy that we have started showing improvement, not in one line, but across the lines, whether it is the slippages, whether it is the recovery and upgrades, whether it is a gross NPA, net NPA, credit cost—whichever way I look at it, every vector is looking good. I understand that people want to see this for the next 2, 3 quarters to believe that this is a trend and this is not a one-off, we'll prove that it is not a one-off in the next 2 to 3 quarters.

Because our SMA book is looking better in most of the businesses, and gold loan has traditionally had a large SMA book, which does not lead to any credit loss, but other than gold loan, everywhere else the SMA book is also showing a sharp decline for us, which gives me a confidence that we have good trends going ahead on the asset quality as well. I think that's broadly what your question.

I hope I could answer all your questions. Thank you.

Thank you.

Good evening, sir. I hope I'm audible.

Okay. Good evening, Pralay.

My question was further to deliberate on the balance sheet growth. In your build and sustain phase that you had completed in FY26, the balance sheet of the bank was still growing quite reasonably.

In fact, I checked it from a sequential basis: on an average, it was growing at about 5% to 6% for 12 quarter, 12 quarters in a row. Now that you are in your scale phase, do you see this growth accelerating over what you did in your build phase, or so how is the growth going to be different from what you did in your build phase?

Sure. Is that the only question?

Then I'll respond.

This is one, and some backdrop, I saw your disbursements in this quarter, it was lower than what you did in the same quarter last year. Your CASA percentage has also gone lower than what you did in the last year.

I was just trying to get my expectations right in terms of what are we trying to achieve in our scale phase? Is it going to be faster overall, and when would the numbers also start reflecting what we are trying to achieve in this phase?

Yeah. Now I got what the perspective, let me respond.

Let me answer the second part first, then I will kind of move to the first question because these are related. The disbursements are, if you broadly see, on the disbursement side, wholesale is there, SME is there, retail is there, and gold is there.

These are the 4 places primarily we talk about disbursements. Retail we have not really taken off yet because we will do it only once the liability side of the franchise grows, and that's something where we are putting lot of hard work on that.

Now that we have the technology, we are launching products, we'll build that, and hence that part will happen only after that; otherwise, we are unnecessarily building a risky portfolio, which we don't want to do. Wholesale disbursements have done well, but of course, wholesale always will have some quarters which has little more chunky disbursement, and some quarters will be—because some of these businesses moves from quarter to quarter, but broadly they are doing extremely well on disbursement as well as book growth.

SME, we had disbursed flattish across, but we had some runoffs also, and we had some exits also because we had a very detailed analysis of the SME portfolio because on quality side we had some issues last year, and hence we also created exit list, and we exited lot of customers as well, and some we lost because of the kind of rates which they're asking for, we could not retain them. To that extent, while we disbursed, but we lost some, that's why SME didn't grow that much, but SME disbursement was sort of flattish every quarter.

What has moved the needle, what your question is, the gold disbursement. That's because, previously, what used to happen, if your portfolio is 19,000 crores, we used to disburse 16,000 crores because the customers will book it again, and that will be shown as a new disbursement.

Now that regulators have allowed renewals, okay, and hence you're seeing that disbursements have naturally come down quite a bit in spite of the fact that we are growing by around 34%, 36% on the gold loan. Having said that, we have taken a conscious call now that with wholesale and now SME also going to grow, and eventually retail will also pick up, we don't need to only grow gold loan as a disbursement, and hence we need to have a reasonable mix.

Based on our board guidance, we have decided that by the end of this year, our gold book, we should keep it somewhere around 50% as a mix, which last year we ended around 54%, even last quarter was 53%, without impacting ROA, ROE, and many other things, okay? None of these will impact any of our financial parameters, that we will bring down gold business to somewhere around 50% to create a more balanced kind of a bank, and that will ensure that all the sides of the banks are growing equally well.

From that perspective, I think gold disbursement is something which has shown some kind of flattish or negative growth on the disbursement side, which is leading to this. Some part of this is regulatory in nature, technical in nature, because we are renewing some of the stuff instead of kind of closing and rebooking, which is shown as disbursement.

Some of this is also a conscious call not to focus only on gold loan as a business because we want to grow all the businesses together. That's broadly what's happening.

Coming to the overall balance sheet growth, CASA you mentioned. CASA, I mentioned before as well that this is the last year where CASA will grow slower than the term deposits.

From FY27 on- FY28 onwards, CASA will grow faster than TD, and then our CASA ratio will grow. There is no magic to it, it's maths.

CASA has to grow faster than the TD; only then CASA ratio will start going up, and that will start happening from FY28. It's a well-calibrated, thought-out strategy which we are working upon.

That will also help us in reducing our cost of funds because CA is somewhere we are focusing on, our wholesale is also doing some business there, and all of that together will help us in building a more profitable balance sheet. From that perspective, I think we are on track in our scale phase, and we'll continue to grow.

Sir, just one overall commentary: in your build phase as well, you grew your balance sheet quite robustly, I would say, at a sequential growth of 5% to 6% for almost 12 quarter, quarters in a row on an average. Now that you're in your scale phase, I'm not asking for 1-quarter, 2-quarter guidance, but where is your aspiration?

Is it more than what your build phase is,

or

how should one think about it?

If you ask me aspiration, I can say, but what we guide is 30% to 50% faster than the system. We know we didn't do that this quarter, okay, because the system grew much faster because of FCNR and other things.

Generally, what we guide is 30% to 50% faster than the system, which we'll retain that. Going ahead, aspiration, of course, is more than that, and it all purely depends on how well we are able to build the liability franchise.

Because growth on the asset side is not a problem, with now all the cylinders firing now—wholesale, now SME will also start firing, and retail will fire on the back of customer acquisition—I think asset growth is not a problem for us, but we need to have a calibrated growth based on how quickly we can build up the liability franchise, and that's what will take us there. Now technology is there, teams are there, products are coming, we should be able to grow it.

All these liability franchise takes few years to grow; it just doesn't happen overnight. Even if I add double the customer, it will not lead to balance sheet growth that much on the liability side, and it takes 2 to 3 years to build that kind of a growth on the back of liability.

That's where, and hence we have to continue to focus on little bit big tickets. We are around 48%, 52% on the retail, wholesale kind of deposits.

Our FCY, CDs, all of that dependence will remain for some more time. Having said that, dependence will start coming down from next year with CASA growing and other things growing.

I think we should be able to grow faster than what we have guided for going ahead from next year, FY28 onwards. This year we'll grow like this only; from next year onwards, we'll grow faster, but it all depends how well we are able to build the liability franchise.

Great, sir. Thank you so much.

I'll join back the queue.

Thank you. Thank you, Navneet.

Hello? Am I audible?

Thank you for the opportunity. Sir, first question is, since board had their meeting today, how are you thinking, or how is the board thinking in the context of Fairfax and IDBI deal?

With respect to that, I believe Fairfax also had a chunky deposit in the CSB Bank, about 4,000, 5,000 crores. How are you thinking on both the aspects?

Good evening, Prabal. The second one is very easy to answer because Fairfax has no deposit with the bank, okay?

I don't know whether regulatorily it is allowed or not, a related-party deposits, but I know that there is no deposit of Fairfax in the bank at this point of time. Sir,

the related-party number of 5,000 crore in the annual report, that does not pertain to the Fairfax?

There is no deposit. What deposit, related party?

There is no deposit, Prabal. It may be other transactions which may be...

No, that could be other transactions, but nothing to do with deposits, okay? The second question on Fairfax: board have not even discussed this point in the last 2 board meetings.

Because it is amply clear from the various media and other press releases which has been made by Fairfax and Prem, everybody, that they have got 2 years to decide on 2 options which has been given to them. At this point of time, they have the transaction yet to complete, it's too early to even discuss—transaction, I'm talking about the IDBI transaction, because there are formalities out there which has to be completed, the share purchase agreements, all of that, regulatory approvals, and all of that stuff.

I don't even think whether they have time to discuss this at this point of time. Our board has not discussed anything, and we are not even thinking on those lines at this point of time.

As and when they come back and discuss with us, we'll figure this out. No, Fairfax doesn't have any deposits with us.

The second question is on the gold loan. We saw a 6% Y-o-Y decline in the tonnage.

How should we think about our market share in the gold loan business?

Typically what happens is our segment is slightly higher-end segment for gold loan compared to some of the NBFCs and some of the more focused gold loan kind of a banks, which is also evident from the yields and the ticket size which we have and the quality of customers. In these segments, what typically happens is, almost 23% of our gold loan is above 20 lakhs kind of a value.

These are not really people who are taking gold loan to run their kitchen; they are taking it to run a business. It is like a, what should I say, cash flow for their business, and is defined by how much cash flow they need, because they have enough metals in their hand.

What typically happens is when prices goes up, golds come down, and when prices goes down, gold tonnage goes up and things like that. That typically happens.

When you're seeing that our tonnage Y-o-Y has gone down, it is primarily happening because it has been going down in the Q3 and Q4 of last year as well because that's where gold prices had gone up significantly, okay? As we are talking, we are not seeing too much of outflow of tonnage on a daily basis or a quarterly basis that we had seen, and because it is an annual number, it is showing annual tonnage degrowth of almost close to double digit, okay?

It depends on the customer's requirement, and hence it's only a collateral. It's not that just because he has more collateral he'll take more loans; it's not that segment we are operating in.

That's one reason. Second reason is also, as I said before, that we want to focus on, now that we have the system—so far we didn't have a choice because we didn't have the right kind of a technology, right kind of a systems, right kind of products, right kind of franchise on all the verticals.

Now that we have got all of that together, we would rather focus on TBG and SME, and as and when we want to focus on the retail assets, we'll do those things, it will be a more distributed bank. Hence we don't want to just focus only on gold loan as a business.

Whatever is coming, we are good with that, but as I said before, that first we'll achieve somewhere around 50% mix from 54% last year, and then we'll further take it down because I had given a glide path of going to 32% gold by 2030. To keep that trend going, naturally, you will continue to see this happening.

Understood. Just on the LTV side, when I compare CSB's gold loan LTV with, say, peers like Karur or Federal, their LTV is somewhere between 60%, 65%, but for us, that number is about 75%.

How should we read into this?

We have a slightly larger agri portfolio, and in agri portfolio, LTV allowed is much, much higher, and that is what is leading to this. Also, agri portfolio gives us PSLC and other benefits as well, which helps us overall.

I think that's a conscious strategy which we have played out, and we have managed in the most difficult scenario when LTV was brought down regulatorily from 90% to 75%. We know how to handle this, even if there is a drop—sensitivity analysis we do when there's a drop in price in gold further, though it has dropped enough, I think it's going around 4,000 something globally.

I don't think this is something which is of any worry to us given the kind of quality of customers which we have and also the segment we operate in. Also from a regulatory perspective, we are very comfortable because a large part of our portfolio is agri portfolio.

Understood. Thank you, sir.

All the best.

Thank you. Thank you, Prabal.

thank you, and good evening, everyone. Pralay, what's the outlook for ROA for this year and next year, and what are the drivers for that?

Thanks, Sameer. Um, we generally, if you look at the trend for us over the last 1 or 2 years, you will see that we start with a lower ROA in the first quarter and peak in the Q4.

This year is also looking the same, and you have seen quarter-on-quarter the ROA has moved to now 1.29%. I think, we may not, while we wish to go towards a 1.5%, but, we will be somewhere between this and 1.5%, somewhere in between we'll be there this year.

Eventually, we want to, next year we—because most of our, other ecosystem and our cost of funds, everything will start coming down. This year, something very special happened, which I said before, that last year we had a very big, income on the, non-core side, which is treasury and PSLC, and the differential between that income and this income is so high that, even if we get some of those income back next year—I'm not expecting it this year, that is too much to expect, but next financial year, hopefully, we'll get some of those income back into the system.

If that happens, I think—because this year, everything has gone wrong when it comes to ROA for a bank like us, given, our dependence was on the fee income little bit more. Even in spite of that fact, we are showing ROA which is around, close to 1.3%, which was our benchmark for this quarter.

Next year, I think we can, safely say that we'll cross 1.5%, and our objective is to stay between 1.5% to 1.8% next year, but probably closer towards, 1.5%, but eventually we want to, kind of aim somewhere close to 1.8%. It all depends on how the bond yields and other things also shape up next year—not this financial year, but next financial year.

Yeah. Thank you so much.

Yes. Just wanted some color on net interest margin.

What are we looking at for the full year and beyond that, in FY28, and beyond, what kind of margin are we looking to settle at? Thanks.

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good question, Shivaji, but we'll have a consistent response on this. I had always said that our net interest margin, we are aiming somewhere around 3.75% to 3.8%, that level.

We are little higher than that. We are not targeting a 4%; we will be below 4%.

We are pretty much, will be where we are at this point of time. Having said that, if you look at slightly longer term, because I think you asked also next year, what will happen is the core fee income will grow even more, okay?

Because we expect a lot of income to come from the, if not treasury, which is not necessarily core income, but from wholesale banking, from SME, from transaction banking especially, because we are investing heavily into transaction banking. As retail starts picking up, there we'll get some fee income.

Lot of these things, also—so overall income trajectory, in spite of there are some question marks on the insurance income, on the corporate agency side or bancassurance side, I think we should be able to safely assume a 18% to 20% on the fee to total income; very, very safely we can assume that. Given that, I think we'd be happy to retain a NIM somewhere around 3.75%, if we can, next year because as our mix changes in the bank, the only way we can retain the NIM is by bringing down the cost of funds, and that is something which we are going to focus on, and hence we are going to focus lot on current accounts and across all the franchise.

Whatever change happens on the yield side because of the mix change in the bank, which is a very welcome move and everybody has asked for it, including board, and we are working on that, we will compensate by cost of funds because still our cost of fund is slightly higher; 6.55% is on the higher side. I would say that we would aim to bring down cost of funds to somewhere around 6% next financial year, which will give us a 50 basis points lift.

Some of that will be absorbed because of the business mix change, but from an ROA perspective, I am more positive because the core fee income will do better, and that will effectively give us a better ROA than where we are sitting today.

Thank you.

Thank you very much, and thanks everybody for joining our Q2 FY27 earnings call. It is a privilege to address all of your questions, and let me assure you that in spite of some of the challenges and some of the other global uncertainty, your bank remains very focused on delivering the SBS 2030 objective.

In the scale phase, now we have everything with us, especially the technology, leadership, and distribution, and rest is a question of execution, and we believe that we have a very good execution team with us. With that, we think that best is yet to come.

Thank you very much, and have a wonderful evening.