Dalmia Bharat Ltd.

Dalmia Bharat Ltd.

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Q1 FY2027 · Earnings Call TranscriptJuly 24, 2026

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the earnings conference call of Dalmia Bharat Limited for the quarter ended 30th June 2026. Please note that this conference call will be for 60 minutes, and for the duration of this call, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode.

This conference call is being recorded, and the transcript will be put on the website of the company. After the management discussion, there is an opportunity for you to ask questions.

Should anyone need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star, then zero on your touch-tone phone. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode.

Before I hand over the conference to the management, I would like to remind you that certain statements made during the course of this call may not be based on historical information or facts, and may be forward-looking statements. These statements are based on expectations and projections, and may involve a number of risks and uncertainties such that the actual outcome may differ materially from those suggested by such statements.

On the call, we have with us Mr. Puneet Dalmia, Managing Director and CEO, Dalmia Bharat Limited; Mr.

Dharmender Tuteja, CFO, Dalmia Bharat Limited; Mr. Yatin Malhotra, CFO, Dalmia Cement Bharat Limited; and the other management of the company.

I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Prassan Goyal, Head of Investor Relations.

Thank you, and over to you, Mr. Goyal.

Prassan Goyal

Thank you, Michelle. Good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining us today.

I hope you had an opportunity to look at our financial results and the presentations we have uploaded. Let me now hand over the call to Mr.

Dalmia for his opening remarks. Thank you.

Puneet Dalmia

Thank you, Prassan. Good evening, everyone.

When we last spoke, the global economy was navigating an increasingly uncertain economic environment marked by supply chain disruptions, heightened commodity price volatility, and rapid technological shift. Since then, those uncertainties have not only persisted, but in many ways, have become the new normal.

Yet, India remains one of the fastest-growing major economies globally, with an RBI growth projection at 6.6% for financial year 2027. Despite maritime disruptions, industrial production and exports have performed well.

GST collections reached an all-time high of ₹6.3 lakh crore in Q1 FY 2027, underpinning strong domestic consumption. Public capex remains another key pillar supporting economic growth.

Capital spending in the first two months inched up to 21% of the annual budgeted outlay, reflecting government's commitment to infrastructure development and long-term capacity creation. Inflation has largely stayed within the RBI's comfort range, but uncertainties surrounding the progress of monsoon due to potential effect of El Niño continues to warrant close monitoring.

These factors may create short-term fluctuations, but do not alter the structural growth drivers of the Indian economy. In this backdrop, I believe the cement demand will also grow at a healthy rate of 7% in this financial year.

Zooming into the first quarter, cement demand was stronger than most of us were expecting. For Dalmia, however, the quarter was somewhat distinctive as several of our key markets underwent state elections.

Such periods typically result in a temporary moderation in construction activity, with project execution slowing during the election cycle. Despite these market-specific challenges, we have delivered a robust volume growth of 9% on a YoY basis.

More importantly, this growth was accompanied by a marked improvement in the quality of our sales, and the share of premium products in our portfolio has moved to a healthy number of 25%. During the quarter, we also introduced Weather 365, our premium-plus offering, which has received an encouraging response from customers.

I believe this launch will further strengthen our premiumization journey and enhance the quality of our revenue over time. This quarter was undoubtedly influenced by elevated input costs.

Yet, I am pleased with the progress we made through disciplined pricing and decisive cost management. Petcoke prices surged to nearly $160 per ton before moderating to between $130 and $135 per ton, well above the pre-war levels of $110 to $115 per ton.

In response, we intensified our efforts across procurement and operations through better planning and inventory management, diversification of sourcing, and optimization of our fuel mix. Collectively, these initiatives generated savings of more than ₹150 per ton during the quarter.

At the same time, healthy price increases of about ₹10 to ₹15 in south and ₹15 to ₹20 in east markets enabled us to pass on a significant portion of the input cost inflation. As a result, EBITDA per ton improved sequentially to ₹1,055.

As we consolidate our brand position and cost leadership through consistent and meaningful initiatives, I'm confident that we will continue to deliver profitable growth in the quarters ahead. Now shifting gears to our capacity expansion plans.

I'm particularly excited with the addition of JP Cement assets to our portfolio. This acquisition brings 5.2 million tons of cement capacity supported by 3.3 million tons of clinker capacity in the strategically important Central India region.

This asset also offers meaningful opportunity for debottlenecking and brownfield expansions. It is a great strategic fit for Dalmia as it strengthens our presence in a key growth market and marks another important step in our journey towards becoming a truly pan-India company.

I'm equally encouraged by the speed and efficiency of the integration. We commenced operations at the Chunar grinding unit and started trial production run at Rewa clinker unit in just 50 days of completing the acquisition, a testament to the quality of our execution.

Dalmia has already established a strong brand presence in the region with the continuous seeding of markets since the past couple of years. This positions us well to deepen our market penetration and unlock the full potential of these assets in the coming quarters.

With this acquisition, along with our ongoing expansion projects at Belgaum, Kadapa, and Pune, our cement capacity will reach about 67 million tons by quarter three of financial year 2028. We are working on some more projects, which will be announced in due course.

Before I conclude, I would like to say that Dalmia is at an inflection point where we are adding capacity, diversifying into new regions, fortifying our brand position, and strengthening our cost leadership. I am deeply encouraged by what we have accomplished thus far, and even more excited about the opportunities that lie ahead.

As we continue to make meaningful progress on our strategic priorities, building a high-performing organization, accelerating automation, advancing our sustainability agenda, and upholding the highest standards of governance will remain a key focus area, enabling us to build a more agile, efficient, and future-ready enterprise. Before I hand over to Dharmender, I would like to take a moment to congratulate him on a highly successful tenure as CFO of Dalmia Bharat.

Under his leadership, the company has delivered robust growth and strengthened its financial strategy. I wish him the very best.

Thank you, Dharmender, and over to you.

Dharmender Tuteja

Thank you, Puneet ji, for your kind words. I also thank you for having reposed trust in me and for your continuous guidance and support.

It has been a privilege to serve the company through an important phase of growth and transformation. I am pleased that we have been able to enhance governance standards and establish a disciplined capital allocation framework, maintaining strong balance sheet.

I would also like to thank our board members, finance team, my peers, and team members in other functions, and all stakeholders for their excellent cooperation and support during my tenure. Transition of my role to Yatin over last 16 months has been a seamless exercise.

As the company is entering into exciting phase of accelerated growth, I am sure Yatin is perfect fit to take the organization to greater heights of success. Coming back to my opening remarks, I wish good evening to everyone present on this call.

I will start with an overview of our operating and financial performance during the quarter. As per analysts' estimates, cement demand for the industry grew by about 7% to 8% YoY in quarter one.

The first two months saw modest growth, followed by meaningful improvement in June, supported by the return of labor to construction sites post-elections, along with delayed monsoons. Despite a disrupted quarter for our operating regions, we delivered a robust growth of 9% on a YoY basis.

If we set aside the one-off impact of the Rajgangpur breakdown last quarter, this is our third straight quarter of healthy volume growth. Revenues from operations improved by 7% YoY during the quarter to ₹3,890 crores, driven by higher sales volumes.

Realizations improved 6% QoQ, supported by healthy price increases, higher premiumization, and strengthening brand position. During the quarter, we accrued ₹45 crores in incentives and collected ₹60 crores.

The incentive outstanding at the end of the quarter was ₹822 crores. Incentive accrual should remain in similar range of ₹45 to ₹50 crores per quarter in the next couple of years.

This quarter was largely impacted by cost escalations stemming from West Asia conflict. While input costs have moderated from their peak levels, the recent resurgence in hostilities will remain a key factor influencing cost trends in the near term.

During the quarter, our raw material cost per ton of production increased 12% QoQ to ₹823, primarily due to increase in the limestone raising cost and other cost headwinds. Power and fuel cost per ton of production increased by 10% YoY to ₹1,035, reflecting the sharp escalation in fuel prices.

As Puneet ji highlighted earlier, we responded proactively by implementing a series of measures, including strengthening inventory planning and optimizing fuel sourcing and mix efficiency. These initiatives helped meaningfully mitigate the impact of fuel cost inflation and reinforce our cost competitiveness.

As the input costs remain above pre-war levels, we expect the cost environment to stay elevated in Q2. The blended fuel cost during the quarter increased QoQ from ₹1.36 per kcal to ₹1.47 per kcal.

Further, 48% of our power consumption has been sourced through renewable energy. This share will continue to rise as we add more renewable energy capacities during the year.

During the quarter, cement freight per ton of dispatches has remained largely flat on QoQ basis. Clinker freight per ton of dispatches has increased 11% QoQ due to higher clinker movement through road during the quarter.

Coming to fixed cost component, employee cost increased 13% QoQ to ₹245 crores, primarily due to the increment impact and certain one-off favorable impact in Q4 last year. Other expenses rose 3% QoQ to ₹632 crores, mainly on account of sharp increase in packing bag prices, from about ₹9.5 per bag pre-war to almost ₹14 per bag in Q1.

While prices have moderated from the quarterly average, they continue to remain well above the historical levels. EBITDA per ton improved 3% QoQ to ₹1,055 during the quarter.

On absolute basis, EBITDA declined 11% QoQ to ₹805 crores, as the benefit of improved realizations was offset by lower volumes and higher costs arising from external headwinds. Now moving to non-EBITDA items.

Other income increased to ₹139 crores, mainly due to the mark-to-market gains on treasury investments. Depreciation during the quarter increased by 12% YoY to ₹361 crores, mainly due to capitalization of Umrangso clinker unit in January '26.

For full year FY 2027, we expect depreciation to increase by ₹100 crores as we commission the acquired JP plants and commercialize Belgaum capacity. It would further increase by ₹100 to ₹150 crores in FY 2028 with the commissioning of Kadapa and Pune projects.

The finance cost during the quarter increased by 36% YoY to ₹147 crores, primarily due to the increase in gross debt owing to acquisition funding. The average cost of debt has been range-bound at about 7%.

Exceptional item of ₹182 crores primarily includes expenses towards stamp duties and transaction fees and other related overheads incurred by the company with the acquisition of cement assets. Coming to our capital allocation priorities, we successfully completed the acquisition of the JP Cement assets on 29th May 2026 at an enterprise value of ₹2,850 crores.

The transaction was funded through a prudent mix of debt and internal accruals. In addition to this, we are further investing to enhance the operational performance of the acquired assets, including installation of an 18 megawatt WHRS facility at the Rewa plant.

We have made an encouraging start to the integration process. We expect these assets to begin contributing meaningfully to volumes from third quarter onwards.

At the same time, we are steadily embedding Dalmia's operating practices across these facilities, with a strong focus on improving efficiency and enhancing productivity. Our Belgaum expansion project is also progressing ahead of schedule and is expected to commence commercial production in the next six months.

At Kadapa and Pune, site excavation is underway, with contractors mobilized to begin civil and mechanical work. Excluding the cost of acquisition, we have spent about ₹710 crores on capex during the quarter.

Our capex commitment for FY 2027 is expected to remain at around ₹3,200 to ₹3,400 crores, in line with our earlier guidance. Of this, projects would be roughly ₹2,200 crores, while the balance would be towards maintenance, JP catch-up capex, and other ROI projects.

Our gross debt at the end of the quarter increased to ₹9,108 crores, primarily due to the acquisition, while net debt increased to ₹4,431 crores. Importantly, even after funding this acquisition, our leverage stood at 1.47 times, comfortably below two times net debt to EBITDA, demonstrating the strength of our balance sheet and disciplined approach to capital allocation.

With this, I open the floor for questions and answers. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. Anyone who wishes to ask questions may please press star and one.

If you wish to withdraw yourself from the question, press star and two. Participants are requested to use only handsets while asking a question.

Please press star and one to ask questions. The first question is from the line of Navin Sahadeo from ICICI Securities.

Please go ahead.

Navin Sahadeo

Good evening, sir.

Puneet Dalmia

Hello? Please go ahead.

Navin Sahadeo

Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity and, indeed, congratulations for a good set of numbers.

My first question is about JPA, and again, congratulations for bagging that deal. It was there all on mind for a long time, and finally, we got it.

My question is, 2,850 is the price for the asset, and there is 100 million ton limestone. Regarding this limestone, I wanted to understand if we have the entire land required to access this 100 million ton in control.

If not, what is the land that will be required and approximate cost? Or the company has a backup plan that since your mine, as you mentioned in the presentation, is very in close proximity to this existing, we can not really bother about buying that land if at all the prices tends to shoot up?

If you could just help us understand this bit on limestone reserves and cost associated with it.

Yatin Malhotra

I think, Navin, it's a mix of both. Number one, yes, we have reserves in the vicinity, and I think it is not a great botheration for us.

Having said that, what lands already exist with the JP assets are enough for the initial few years. Land procurement to keep securing your reserves is a part of the process in any plant that we run.

I think it's a continuous activity. We are good to go in the initial few years.

We have an adjacent asset already available, and then we'll keep expanding the land to augment this further.

Navin Sahadeo

Any ballpark number that so much cost? Because if you just want to understand the total, let's say, cost to this JPA acquisition, will it be additional to get the entire 100 million ton, will it be additional 100 crore or 500 crore or 1,000 crore, any ballpark number there?

Yatin Malhotra

No, I don't think we can indicate an exact number, Navin, right now. We're in the process of assessing this.

For any practical purposes, this will happen gradually. This is not like a one-time hit that's going to come and hit you.

I think it's an ongoing process.

Navin Sahadeo

Sure. My second question then was about the clinker and cement capacity kind of a mismatch in the Eastern region, and now it's more so in the Northeast, because we have surplus clinker there, but not much grinding.

I believe the existing East also is the situation probably other way around; we have more grinding there, but less clinker. How are we looking to utilize or make optimal utilization of the Northeast clinker plant that we commissioned, I think, a quarter or two back?

Are there more grinding units that are coming up in West Bengal or Bihar? How should one look at utilization of that asset?

Thanks.

Yatin Malhotra

For the Northeast assets, I think our commentary consistently has been that we believe in the potential of that geography. We have invested ahead of time in clinker and grinding.

Yes, we have a little excess clinker available in that place. In our journey to reach our pan-India story and expansion, setting up a grinding unit somewhere near that clinker unit is on the table.

We have not yet announced that exact project, I can't detail it beyond this. I think balancing the clinker from Northeast and setting up some additional grinding is there on the agenda.

Navin Sahadeo

Helpful. I have more questions, but I'll come back in queue.

Thank you.

Yatin Malhotra

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Amit Murarka from Axis Capital.

Please go ahead.

Amit Murarka

Hi. Thanks for the opportunity.

The first question is on this exceptional expense that you've highlighted, ₹182 crores. I was just wondering on an asset acquisition value of ₹2,850 crores, it seems at 7% of the acquisition cost.

Just wanted to understand this better, that how much of this was stamp duty and really what are the other expenses that have been booked out? Amit,

Yatin Malhotra

Amit, I think it's been a couple of months since we have entered this transaction. There is a lot of activity that is going on in terms of assessing the right stamp duty amount and other incidental costs.

We have taken a provisional conservative number basis a preliminary assessment that we have done so far. I don't think this exact number will be the final number.

I think give us a couple of months. Anyhow, we have to do this entire registration in next two months.

I think by the end of next quarter, we'll have more clarity on this. I can just say that this is a provisional conservative number.

We should end up being a little better than this.

Amit Murarka

Got it. Sure, thanks.

Also, could you just give some guidance on the ramp-up of the Central India assets, what utilization you're looking in Q3, Q4, or broadly FY 2028?

Yatin Malhotra

I would just say that, as Puneet ji mentioned, and we have also given it out in our investor deck, in the first 50 days, in the first 20 days, we've got the first grinding unit up and running. Then we started the trial run at Rewa clinker unit.

It's a topic that we are attending to with utmost urgency. Having said that, I think we will give it some time for it to stand on its legs, and we will be able to give a little more realistic estimates once we have taken a complete control of the asset in the market.

Might be, we are hopeful that we'll be touching decent capacity utilization in a few quarters, but no guidance as of now.

Amit Murarka

Got it. Sure.

The last question if I may put in. What's the expectation on cost now, given that we have a good sense of the petcoke pricing and all, what is the outlook for Q2 and then forward?

Yatin Malhotra

Q2 10 days prior to today, I think we were more clear on which way the Q2 is going to sort of pan out. Now, we again are in very turbulent times.

Again, I can give you an estimate that you're looking at roughly 70, 80 bucks increase in terms of input cost. I would say the tail impact that was supposed to come and hit us in Q2 over and above Q1.

As things are evolving, we will have to re-ascertain this numbers. Let us see how this pans out for us and for the industry.

Amit Murarka

Just to be clear, this is excluding negative operating leverage, right, which we see in Q2?

Yatin Malhotra

I'm just telling you the macro headwinds. Negative operating leverage is a part and parcel of business.

Seasonality will come and hit us, so that's a separate discussion.

Amit Murarka

Got it. Sure.

Thanks a lot. I'll come back in the queue.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Kunal Shah from DAM Capital.

Please go ahead.

Kunal Shah

Hi, sir. First on the JPA ramp-up bit.

I understand it's a bit early, but could you just explain or give us some insight on what would be the quantum of volumes we would have done in FY 2026 to the potential markets of JPA from our existing plants? Is the network still active, and can it be sort of capitalized to ramp up JPA?

Yatin Malhotra

Sorry, Kunal. What was the second part of the question?

Kunal Shah

What I'm trying to understand is, how much volumes would we be selling to the potential markets of JPA, let's say MP, UP, from our existing plants in East? Is that number, if you could just help, during FY 2026, what would be the quantum of it?

If the network over there is still active sort of, can we capitalize it to ramp up the JPA quickly?

Yatin Malhotra

The answer to your second question is a definite yes. I think we have been very consciously kept investing in that market, we have a decent present in terms of network and brand.

To the answer to your first question is that, I would rather not give exact numbers of how much we sold in Central market from East. That's it.

Kunal Shah

Understood. Second sir, also, company would be adding almost 40% capacity increase, that would be the quantum within one and a half years, and along with a potential turnaround of the Eastern market.

How to think of volume growth outlook over the next two years? Could you provide any guidance over there?

Yatin Malhotra

Kunal, we really believe the industry per se would grow 7% to 8%. I think for our organic numbers, we should be in line with the industry.

We are chasing more, but at least in line with the industry. For the additional capacities, as we ramp that up, I think that should give additional volume, I think we can put two and two together on that one.

I can just tell you that, as we said, JP, we are deeply entrenched in the market so that we get a head start. Belgaum, Kadapa, when the capacities come in, again, these are markets that we know like back of our hand, for us to ramp up should not be an issue.

We are hopeful that we'll be delivering decent growth organically and also with the additional capacities that we're bringing online.

Kunal Shah

Understood. Lastly, just one bookkeeping.

In terms of our 9% volume growth during the quarter, how would this be faring versus our operating market growth? Our operating market, like East and South and Northeast, what would be the blended growth in those markets and versus that, our 9%?

How does that fare?

Yatin Malhotra

Kunal, early days. Not all results are out.

Our gut says that we would be at least 200 to 250 bps higher than the industry, but I think once the numbers are out for everyone, we can understand this better.

Kunal Shah

Got it. Thank you so much, sir, and all the best.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Shravan Shah from Dolat Capital.

Please go ahead.

Shravan Shah

Hi, sir. Thank you.

Sir, just to get a more sense in terms of the capacity. Obviously with the JP and the ongoing expansions, we will be close to 67 million ton by Q3 FY 2028.

One obviously we have mentioned that Northeast we will be adding a broad idea, let's say even if we announce now also, by FY 2028 end, can we add 2 to 3 million ton there? Second, in terms of previously we were looking at to reach a 75-odd million ton by FY 2028.

Particularly the Jaisalmer 1, 6 million ton. Will that now be in FY 2029 that one can look at?

I understand we will be announcing, but broadly, it will not be coming in FY 2028, that is kind of a clear that way one can look at?

Yatin Malhotra

I think the way I would see this is that the path is clear. The date, the milestone is definitely something we're looking at, but it's an indicative milestone.

As 67, we are very clearly on that path. East grinding unit, as you also mentioned, should take us in the vicinity of 70 soon, whether it happens in the last quarter of '28 or first half of '29, doesn't change the game too much.

As you would appreciate, Shravan, we are right now in the midst of executing roughly capexes for including if I were to see JP, because we are stabilizing JP. We are handling 17 million, 16 to 17 million tons as we speak.

We have to be careful how many fronts we open. I think once we have this asset settled and, I think give us a couple of quarters, you might end up hearing more announcement from us.

If the way we see it, the journey to be a pan-India player by FY '31, in roughly 110 million-odd tons, that path is clear. A few quarters here and there actually don't make too much of a distance on this.

Shravan Shah

Okay. There also, even if, let's say, 70 67, and even if I add 2, 3 million ton Northeast, 70 million by FY 2028, then in next 4 years, 29, 30, 31, in 3 years, we need to kind of add 40 million ton.

Do we still kind of want to achieve a 110 million ton by FY '31 because given that to achieve that, we need to do a significant capex, and then obviously the net debt will also significantly rise? Are we also kind of a thinking that even will not mind it to reach by even FY '34, '35 also?

Or are still we sticking that by FY '31 we want to reach a 110 million ton? I think this

Puneet Dalmia

Puneet here. I think I've already said in many of my earnings call earlier that this is a directional number.

Depending upon how the industry is going, we can calibrate our speed. We can dial it up or dial it down.

Couple of years here, there doesn't matter. Broadly, the direction is pan-India and the direction is going to be 110, 120 million tons, 110 to 130 million tons.

I think let us see how the industry evolves. Let us see how the macro situation is.

I think based on that, we will remain flexible. We have said this earlier also, and we are saying this now also.

Let us take the example of 75. Our earlier target was financial year '27, and now we are going to get close to it in financial year '28.

Thik hai, we are one year behind schedule, heavens are not going to fall. I would just say that we will be disciplined about our capital allocation.

We will be very focused on our strategy, and we will focus on growth which is financially accretive.

Yatin Malhotra

Making sure that our balance sheets are healthy, we will not burst the banks for this. Yeah.

Shravan Shah

Sir, that's what the feedback also wanted to give. The more delay would be better.

I know, I am just completing the sentence. You listen.

That's what the feedback is. We should be looking at the balance sheet.

We should not be minding in terms of delaying. The focus should be to keep on increasing the existing assets utilization and keep on improving the balance sheet.

That's the feedback just wanted to give. Thanks.

Shravan,

Yatin Malhotra

rest assured, we will be cognizant of that.

Operator

Thank you, sir. The next question is from the line of Siddharth Mehrotra from Kotak Securities.

Please go ahead.

Siddharth Mehrotra

Thanks for the opportunity. Sir, just wanted to clarify this 3,200 to 3,400 crores number.

That is excluding JPA, right? It does not include JPA.

Yatin Malhotra

Actually, I don't think the JP capex would change this number significantly. It's anyhow a 200 crore rupees range.

We will be in the vicinity of this number, even including the JP capex, because even if we start executing the projects, the cash flows will not happen immediately. You can pick up the same number, including JP also.

Definitely, this is not with the bulk 2,850 crore, so that is on top of it. All the efficiency, startup capexes is a part of this 34.

Puneet Dalmia

That's organic. Inorganic is on top

Siddharth Mehrotra

of this. Understood.

Sir, I just wanted to clarify. In the slide we gave to investors when we first announced this deal, we noted a number of around 550-odd crores including refurbishment and efficiency.

Now that we're almost a couple of months away from when you gave out that number, is our estimate materially different?

Yatin Malhotra

They are not materially different, but it is still a WIP thing for us, Siddharth. This will phase out gradually.

I don't think, there are a lot of nuances, and anyhow the plants that we run the plants that we run, it is an evolving thing for us. I can tell you this 550 is the initial thing on the table.

Let us we will give ourselves a few quarters to execute this, and then we will keep adding as and when the needs arise.

Siddharth Mehrotra

Understood, sir. Sir, we'd also highlighted that we can grow our capacities there by around 2 million ton-odd numbers.

Any sort of ballpark estimate on the timelines where we actually think about expanding capacity in these acquired assets?

Yatin Malhotra

Again, Siddharth, very early in the day. Give us some time.

Let us get a little more acclimatized with where we are. That is pretty much on the agenda, but that will happen sequentially.

We can't jump the gun on day one.

Siddharth Mehrotra

Understood, sir. Sir, secondly, I just noticed that in our slide, we've slightly pushed forward the startup of our Pune plant.

Is that with a view to balance our balance sheet situation, or are we sort of running delayed on the operational side of things in terms of execution?

Yatin Malhotra

We had some teething troubles on the execution start point, and that is the reason. Pune is not something that we have done for balancing our balance sheet right now.

It's a new place for us. I think it took us a little more time to sort out certain issues, but I think we are back on track.

Siddharth Mehrotra

Got it, sir. Sir, for this entire year, do we expect to grow in line with the industry, around 7%, 8%, or now that we have JP assets, would we be more optimistic of a slightly higher number?

Yatin Malhotra

I think I'll maintain my position. Outside of acquisitions or new capacities, we want to grow in line with the industry.

We actually want to do more, but you can take a guidance in line with the industry. Whatever we add as capacity, either by acquisitions or new projects, that should be on top of it.

Siddharth Mehrotra

Understood, sir. Sir, if I could just squeeze one last question.

Operator

Mr. Mehrotra, I am sorry to interrupt you, sir.

I would request you to kindly rejoin the queue. Thank you.

Ladies and gentlemen, in order to ensure that the management will be able to address questions from all the participants in the conference, kindly limit your questions to only one per participant. Should you have a follow-up question, please rejoin the queue.

We'll take the next question from Pinakin from HSBC. Please go ahead.

Pinakin Parekh

Thank you very much. My question is on cement prices.

We have seen after some time East India price increases going through and sustaining, but they still remain well below other regions and pan-India. In your view, being a large player in Eastern India, what will it take for this price gap to narrow?

Given what's happened in Bengal recently, can we expect the price gap to narrow this year, or is it more like the next 2 to 3 years where pricing gap between East and other regions can narrow?

Yatin Malhotra

Pinakin, we don't have an answer that what will it take to make the prices stick. I think it's a very dynamic part of the industry, and I think you know this as good as I know it.

We are hopeful good sense will prevail, and the industry will know there better prices can happen and, but let us see how it pans out. We have no other take on this topic.

What we can tell you is as a brand, we work on premiumization as a topic, whether it is premium products or whether it is premium pricing, that is an agenda that we very strongly chase. What happens to market price is something for all of us to see together.

Pinakin Parekh

Got it. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Satyadeep Jain from Ambit Capital.

Please go ahead.

Satyadeep Jain

Hi. Thank you.

Just on JP, one of the follow-up to one of the questions on when you were doing the tolling arrangement, you obviously built some distribution network. It's been a while, our channel checks suggest that just want to clarify that the volumes into the market were toned down significantly after the tolling period ended.

What again, just following up, what kind of network you already have and how long will it take maybe to rebuild or build on what you already had? When do we look at profitability, absolute EBITDA profit from this plant?

Tied to this would be that JP also has another asset which I believe is for bidding, the other Bhilai and Nigrie and all. Is that something that is on the table for you also to evaluate the other set of assets at JP?

Yatin Malhotra

I'll answer your question in parts. Number one, I think I'm repeating myself.

This is not a new market for us. We did stay invested in the market by continuously supplying and continuing our relationship with the channel and making sure the brand is there in the market.

I think, for us, to take a decent start should not be a major concern. There is still a lot of legwork that we have to do in the market because we have to multiply our numbers manifold.

We have good start point in terms of presence. Point number two, I think how much time it will take for us to get our EBITDA, I think we would allow ourselves, as you would expect, we've taken the assets, we've got the fixed cost, and we've got some legacy issues also, and we are still yet to ramp up volumes and sell.

Initial period will be tricky. It should take us a couple of quarters to be EBITDA neutral, I would say.

I think we should be on track by the end of this year. We will give us, I don't know, might be seven, eight quarters for this asset to give EBITDA in line with the normal Dalmia EBITDA.

To your third point, can you repeat the last question? Sorry, I missed that.

Satyadeep Jain

The other set of assets that JP had, which are also

Yatin Malhotra

Other assets, I think We are participating in the process. We will wait and see how it pans out.

Satyadeep Jain

Okay. Thank you.

Yatin Malhotra

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Thank you, sir.

The next question is from the line of Raashi from Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Raashi Chopra

Thank you. Just checking by when would you expect the JPA assets to coincide with Dalmia's organic EBITDA per ton?

Yatin Malhotra

Raashi, I just answered that. As I said, couple of quarters for us to break even on EBITDA, and might be seven, eight quarters to deliver EBITDA per ton in line with the other assets of Dalmia, overall average.

Again, as you would expect, early days for me to give a definite guidance. We will see how this pans out.

I can tell you that we are very strongly working to make sure that it gets online ASAP.

Raashi Chopra

Got it. On the overall cost for Dalmia, I think earlier you had mentioned that you were targeting cost reduction on internal efficiency to the tune of 50 to 100 per year.

Is that still on track?

Yatin Malhotra

That is definitely on track. We just, when we close April March quarter, Q4, we said that what we promised a couple of years ago, we have demonstrated that we have delivered.

Now it is a continuous activity, I don't want to treat that as a guidance, but you can trust that we are working on that 24x7.

Raashi Chopra

Thank you. Just one last question.

I missed, what was the accrual incentive in this quarter?

Yatin Malhotra

I think we mentioned that number, ₹45-odd crores.

Raashi Chopra

Okay. You received how much?

Yatin Malhotra

60, 6-0.

Raashi Chopra

Okay. Thank you.

That's it.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Sarthak Tita from DSP Asset Managers.

Please go ahead.

Sarthak Tita

Hi, good evening, sir. Thank you for the opportunity.

I just have a small question on the cost side. On the power and fuel cost on the presentation, you have highlighted that we were able to weather the storm and we contained the fuel inflation by around ₹150 per ton.

Does this imply or will this cost be coming in in Q2? Should we think around that line, or ₹70 to ₹80 that you highlighted will be the only uptick in power and fuel cost in second quarter?

Just some clarity on that would be helpful.

Yatin Malhotra

Right. So 150 is something that we were able to avoid, and I think there is no reason for us to believe that this will come and hit us in Q2.

I think this is a permanent change in the way of working that we were able to do. This also included some part as an opening inventory impact.

Looking at Q2, as I said, 10 days ago, we were looking at 70, 80-odd bucks Q2 over Q1. Now with this evolving situation, we'll have to see how the story pans out.

Right now, I would work with that number, but again, it's a very evolving place, let us look out for that. There is one more factor of cost.

I think diesel increases happened towards the end of May, last quarter only had one month with full diesel cost impact. There would be a impact for that.

Packing cost was very high in quarter one, that is improving in quarter two, unless things go bad again. All put together, I think somewhere in the range of ₹70, ₹75 is what you would expect, unless things turn drastically bad from where we are today.

Sarthak Tita

Got it. Thank you, sir.

One small question, if at all, I don't know if you mentioned it earlier, but any number of volumes that you can indicate in the ramp-up of the new acquired unit that we started in last 10 days? Will that be material or it will be very small in amount?

Yatin Malhotra

It definitely would be small. I don't know whether it will be very small, but I would not want to call out any numbers.

I would again say give us some time, and I think we can share more details as time passes by.

Sarthak Tita

Fair. Got it.

Thank you so much, sir. All the best to the team.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. A reminder to all the participants to kindly limit their questions to only one per participant, as we have a long queue.

We'll take the next question from Pulkit Patni from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Pulkit Patni

Sir, I just have a bookkeeping question. This exceptional item that you have booked, just wanted to understand, since this is part of an acquisition, would it not be capitalized?

Why is it being taken through the P&L, if you could help me understand that a little better?

Dharmender Tuteja

Pulkit, when you acquire a business, normally the accounting standards ask you to choose either the business combination method of accounting of acquisition or the asset purchase. Since this was a business purchase, it was a lump-sum amount for this whole lot of assets, it qualifies as a business combination.

In business combination, you fair-value the assets and account for and then, of course, allocate to respective assets pro rata depending on the valuation report, purchase price allocation is done. Once this fair valuation has been done, stamp duty does not add any additional value to the asset.

That this additional cost has to be charged off as per accounting standards, but for tax purposes, this will be again considered as a capital asset and depreciation will be claimed on that. Had we followed the asset purchase, had we purchased individual asset that this asset we are purchasing for this much value, this much value, then we would have gone, it would not have been slump-sale purchase, it would have been asset purchase.

Then stamp duty would have been capitalized. Business combination, you have to expense off all these transaction costs which do not add value to asset which is already fair-valued.

Pulkit Patni

Okay. Very clear.

Dharmender Tuteja

That helps.

Pulkit Patni

Thanks for that. Thank you.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Prateek Kumar from Jefferies.

Please go ahead.

Prateek Kumar

Good evening, team. I have one question on you've acquired quite a few small assets like Murli, Kalyanpur, Northeast operations, JP.

How do you rate assets of JP versus some of these assets in terms of ability to scale up EBITDA per ton in line with your company benchmark? How is the pricing of Central market for yourself versus your company average or market average?

Puneet Dalmia

I think we have to look at it from two lenses. One is the strategic aspect.

I think it accelerates our entry into the Central market, which we think is long-term a very attractive market, both from a market structure point of view as well as a growth point of view. That's point number one.

Point number two, it gives us a lot of flexibility in doing brownfield and debottlenecking options. We can average our cost down further from here.

These are the big positives that we see. A lot of infrastructure is already here, like there is railway siding, there is colony, there's a lot of surplus land.

I think this is a very large asset in terms of its footprint and a lot of infra already exists here. I think those are the positives.

I think the negative here is that this plant was shut for a long time, and it is a relatively older plant. I think we have to put some money into bringing it down in terms of the efficiency curve, the cost curve.

That is what we're ascertaining. Overall, I think JP is known for building very good plants and technically excellent asset.

We acquired Bokaro also from them in 2015, and I think it really delivered very well for us. I think our team was familiar with this asset because we've done tolling as well.

I think overall, we think strategically, we are quite well positioned. It is just a slightly higher cost plant because they have not done enough capex that they should have to bring it down the cost curve.

That is something we have to do some catch-up capex and efficiency capex to restart the plant and bring it down to the Dalmia efficiency curve. Overall, I think it takes all the boxes in terms of what we think is strategically attractive and financially accretive.

Prateek Kumar

Another question on pricing, pricing of

Operator

Mr. Kumar, I am sorry, sir.

You'll have to rejoin the queue for follow-up.

Prateek Kumar

No, this question was asked in the first question only.

Operator

Okay.

Puneet Dalmia

What pricing?

Prateek Kumar

I think matlab we are pretty much

Puneet Dalmia

we are pretty much buying it at, not a very not a very expensive, valuation. It was a we haven't paid a very high premium.

It's like a, close to replacement cost. The question was about cement price.

No,

Prateek Kumar

the question was on market pricing, cement pricing.

Puneet Dalmia

Cement price.

Yatin Malhotra

Cement price, okay. Just come back with the question quickly, Prateek.

Prateek Kumar

The question was how is the pricing of this region, your pricing versus your average pricing and your pricing versus Central market pricing?

Yatin Malhotra

I can just tell you, I don't have that data offhand, but I can tell you that once we enter the market, we'll enter at a level our premium price positioning would be at par with the industry leader. I can tell you that.

There won't be any discounting as such in our pricing. How much does it compare versus our overall average, I don't have that number offhand.

Prateek Kumar

Sure, thank you.

Yatin Malhotra

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Indrajit Agarwal from CLSA.

Please go ahead.

Indrajit Agarwal

Hi. Thank you for the chance.

Quick questions from my end. First, what is the

Operator

I'm sorry, sir. Your audio is not clear, Mr.

Agarwal. I would request you to kindly use your handset.

Indrajit Agarwal

Can you hear me now?

Operator

Sir, some disturbance. May you try.

Please use your handset while talking.

Indrajit Agarwal

Hi, what is the exit price versus

Yatin Malhotra

We can't hear.

Operator

Sir, it's not clear.

Indrajit Agarwal

Do we have brownfield expansion opportunity at JPA?

Yatin Malhotra

I think we answered that question. We called it out in our investor deck also when we acquired the asset.

We definitely have brownfield expansion, and we also called out the numbers. We are yet to do our full assessments, both brownfield and debottlenecking are there on the table.

Debottlenecking, we mentioned about that in our earlier investor presentation, and brownfield also, as Puneet ji mentioned, there are enough reserves, enough land. I think we should be able to look at it, but we will be detailing as we go forward.

Indrajit Agarwal

Sure. On prices, exit versus quarter average?

Yatin Malhotra

Sorry?

Indrajit Agarwal

The cement prices exit versus quarter average, how is it currently? Exit

Yatin Malhotra

June exit versus quarter one?

Indrajit Agarwal

Yeah.

Yatin Malhotra

I think most of the markets have held steady. Bengal has seen some suppression of prices, but in July, in initial period, we have seen some uptick in South again.

It's a very, very evolving space. We are not monitoring one date versus one average.

Let us see how the quarter works for us.

Indrajit Agarwal

Sure. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Gaurav Nagori from Avendus Spark.

Please go ahead.

Gaurav Nagori

Thanks for the opportunity. The question is on the any update on the North region foray and/or are we going to see the delay because of priority to ramp up the JP assets?

Also are we looking to transport volumes from Central to North market because what we hear is a lot of activity on the logistics side in Rajasthan by Dalmia?

Yatin Malhotra

I don't think moving material from Central to Rajasthan or North market is on the table, that is definitely not on the table. Regarding your point regarding expansion in North, I think Puneet ji detailed out very, very clearly.

Our stated aspiration is to be a pan-India player. We have given milestone in terms of capacity and years.

North is definitely going to be there on the table, but when it happens and when do we announce, I think that we will come back to you as we go along. Can't comment on that.

Gaurav Nagori

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Jashandeep Singh Chadha from Nomura.

Please go ahead.

Jashandeep Singh Chadha

Hi. Thank you for the opportunity, and congratulations on a good set of numbers.

My question to Puneet is over the FY '27, '28, as per you, what is the capacity that will be added in the Eastern region? Do you think the industry East industry is in the last leg of massive capacity addition?

Yatin, just on JP, while you were calculating your internal IRRs and return, what sort of an even if you can give us an indicative number, what sort of utilization and EBITDA per ton you were working with? Just an indication will also

Yatin Malhotra

Your first question is how much capacity is getting added in East? Is that you asked?

Jashandeep Singh Chadha

Yes, sir, in '27, '28.

Puneet Dalmia

I think if you just quote the numbers that we have in front of us, we're looking at 10 to 11 million ton getting added in both the years industry-wide. I think you can be a better judge of that than us.

We have a number of 10 to 11 in each year, '27 and '28. Regarding your second question, what number I was working on in terms of EBITDA and volume, I think, Jashandeep, I don't think I'll be very specific on that.

I can just tell you that it's a very, very promising region. We're looking at higher capacity utilization.

As I said, in six to eight quarters, I'm looking at EBITDA turning at the current Dalmia normal average level. I think you can put two and two together with that.

Jashandeep Singh Chadha

Right. Just the one thing on capacity, do you think East beyond this will not see a massive capacity addition?

Is the industry in the last leg of massive capacity addition that we are seeing for the last 5 years?

Puneet Dalmia

Jashandeep, I would not hazard a guess on that. What I am very clear on is that East, Dalmia has invested a little ahead of time.

We are very well entrenched. The markets are opening up.

Every state, I think, offers a great promising opportunity in terms of demand. I think East is going to be a strong region for the industry and for us.

That's the way we see it. How much everyone else is adding and what is that number adding up to, I think the demand should be able to take care of the supply.

Jashandeep Singh Chadha

Bengal

Yatin Malhotra

with the West Bengal elections also, I think

Puneet Dalmia

I think so. Every state looks to us as a very promising state in terms of potential demand.

Operator

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be taking the last question for today from Rajesh Ravi from HDFC Securities.

Please go ahead.

Rajesh Ravi

Hi,

Operator

sir. Good evening.

Most of my questions are answered, just

Rajesh Ravi

on the other income, could you explain the income which is booked in the other income, is it related to IEX? If I recollect, earlier this was moving to other comprehensive income?

Dharmender Tuteja

No. The IEX gain goes into other comprehensive income.

Rajesh Ravi

What

Dharmender Tuteja

is in other income is only for the treasury investments into mutual funds and the bonds.

Rajesh Ravi

Okay. This could be volatile in any given quarter?

Dharmender Tuteja

This is because of the market yields. If you remember quarter four, the yields had gone up, we had mark-to-market losses at that time.

Now market yields corrected in this quarter after the policy announcement and because of the attraction of RBI's measures to attract global capital in the form of FPIs and ECBs. The rates have come down.

That is why the mark-to-market gains have come. On an average, you can assume that treasury yields will be close towards 6.5% to 7%, not more than that.

Rajesh Ravi

That's helpful, thank you.

Operator

Thank you. As that was the last question for today, I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr.

Puneet Dalmia for closing comments. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Puneet Dalmia

Thank you very much. Again, we appreciate your interest in us, and thank you for the engagement, and thank you for the feedback.

We are very excited by the acquisition and the greenfield buildout that we are doing. I think in the next few quarters and over the next 2, 3 years, I think we have very exciting times ahead.

Thank you for your interest. Take care.

Have a great great weekend. Bye.

Operator

Thank you, sir. Thank you, members of the management.

On behalf of Dalmia Bharat Limited, that concludes this conference. We thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.

Thank you.