India Cements Ltd.

India Cements Ltd.

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Q4 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptApril 27, 2026

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the UltraTech Cement Limited Q4 FY26 earnings conference call. As a reminder, all participant lines will remain in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes.

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I will now hand the conference over to Mr. Atul Daga, Chief Financial Officer, for opening remarks.

Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Atul Daga

Thank you. Good evening to everybody.

I want to begin not with numbers, but with where we stand as a company, because fiscal 2026, in my view, is a year that will be looked back on as genuinely significant in UltraTech's story. Fiscal 2027 started with an achievement of major milestones.

UltraTech crossed 200 million tonnes of cement production capacity in India, a first for any company in a single country outside of China. Let me put this in context.

We reached 100 million tonnes in 2019, added another 50 million tonnes in 5 years by 2024, and we completed the journey from 150 to 200 million tonnes in less than 2 years. This is a feat even more remarkable since we are a full year ahead of our targets as what we had set for ourselves.

Let's be clear on what the number means. It's not simply a headline, it's an expression of our strategy to build scale that compounds in cost efficiency, in market reach, in raw material security, and in sustainability.

Every tonne of capacity we add reinforces every tonne that came before it. Let's look at our position globally.

Outside of China, UltraTech is today the largest cement company in the world by sales volume, and we are the only cement company anywhere in the world to have over 100 million tonne of production capacity within a single country. We are 200 million tonnes.

These are not rankings we have stumbled into, these are the results of a very deliberate strategy: disciplined organic growth, timely acquisitions at the right price, and relentless focus on execution. From somewhere 65 million tonnes in 2016 to 200 million tonnes today, we have more than trebled our capacity in a decade.

Our next horizon is already set. We have committed to add a further 37 million tonnes, which will take us over 242.5 million tonnes in a phased manner by fiscal 2028.

Now, I want to speak to something that is very much on everybody's minds, the conflict in West Asia and what it means for us. Whilst I have given an indicative chart in our presentation on where the impact of these rising prices could be, let's be straightforward: it's a real headwind on fuel costs, packing bags, and freight, on certain import-dependent supply chain, on near-term sentiment in some demand segments, and the way oil prices are, we could see an increase in domestic prices of petrol and diesel.

The government's monthly economic review for March 2026 also acknowledged that the outlook has become slightly uncertain. Yet, India's structural growth story is entirely intact.

Government capex is flowing, infrastructure execution continues, housing demand is robust. IMF has also raised the growth forecast for the country.

Just to rattle some numbers out for you, India did approximately 10,660 km of highways in fiscal 2025 and has maintained the pace in 2026. The PMAY housing program is driving cement consumption at scale.

That tells us something important about the underlying demand base. On the construction cost environment, cement prices have been largely stable in the last financial year with movement of maybe 0% to 5%.

Steel prices have seen volatility. West Asia situation is near-term cost moderator, not a structural demand reversal.

We believe UltraTech, with our domestic strength, our 1.8 GW green energy platform, our scale-driven cost efficiency, is better positioned, much better positioned to manage through this environment as well. Fiscal 2026 was a year of extraordinary execution.

We crossed 200 million tonnes, we completed brand migration for both India Cements and Kesoram ahead of schedule, we continued building our green energy capacity, and we delivered volume growth and improved profitability. We said we would do these things, we have done them, and we enter fiscal 2027 in a stronger strategic position than at any point in our history.

Let me look at the Q4 performance and the full-year performance, and will also share some insights on the integration stories and our cost efficiency program. Consolidated sales volumes, as you have already seen, has crossed a rocking 44 million tonnes this quarter.

Most important aspect about it to note is that UltraTech as a brand, year-on-year, has grown 19%. Nobody can take away that thunder from us.

Realizations improved during the quarter. Grey cement pricing strengthened about 2.5% in most geographies, supported by an improving trade mix and premiumization.

A blended cement share, premium portfolio contribution, both moved higher, which is a conscious and a deliberate strategy going forward. EBITDA per tonne, excluding acquired assets, is at ₹1,296 per tonne for the quarter.

For the context, this metric was ₹1,225 in Q4 FY25. The trajectory has continued.

On an aggregate basis, we have reported ₹1,253 per tonne in Q4 FY26. This, if I were to split between India and overseas, thanks to our UAE operations doing very well, they have contributed substantially, but India has been no less.

Remember, the India capacity is almost 196 million tonnes during this year. If I were to remove the aberrations of West Asia crisis, we have achieved EBITDA per tonne of very close to ₹1,240 per tonne.

What am I knocking out from here? The last month increase in cost of bags and impact of exchange loss, the highly volatile and the frantic devaluation of rupee that happened in the last month.

I believe we have done very well on EBITDA per tonne as well. Our renewable energy platform has been growing from strength to strength.

Today, we are almost at 43% of our power needs being met from green sources. We have committed to reach about 85% of our power requirements from green energy by the end of fiscal 2030, and we are very confident of reaching that position.

On the fuel side, we are actively managing our mix, optimizing between petcoke, coal, alternative fuels, and increasing the share of domestic coal wherever required, wherever possible. On the logistics front, our lead distance has reduced to 367 km.

Our ever-expanding bulk terminal network, including the new Lucknow facility and other facilities, are helping us reach the customer faster, thus helping us reduce our lead distance and our overall costs. Let me spend a few minutes on the two acquired businesses, because the progress is, I believe, fantastic.

Brand migration: 100% brand migration has been completed at the end of March 2026. In second quarter fiscal 2026, we were at 31% of ICL volumes and 55% of Kesoram volumes were carrying UltraTech brand.

December 2025, they had moved to 58% and 69%. We have completed at the exit of March 2026 100% brand conversion.

The EBITDA trajectory: India Cements EBITDA of ₹497 per tonne in Q4 FY26, up from ₹333 in Q2 and ₹305 in Q3. Sequential improvement every quarter since acquisition.

This quarter, the company declared a PAT of ₹60 crore for the quarter, which has been after a very long time. This ₹497 EBITDA per tonne, please understand how we read it.

We, as under the related-party transactions, we had put in place a tolling arrangement. ICL, or India Cements, manufactures and sells the UltraTech brand, but does not carry any direct marketing and distribution cost.

Those sit with us at the consolidated level. At UltraTech, we charge a markup per bag on ICL volumes, which offset that element on a net basis.

India Cements' underlying operational progress towards UltraTech system is much higher than ₹497 per tonne. The price improvements, selling price improvements that happened in the southern markets will give it a further boost.

The investment phase is now underway. We had committed ₹1,592 crore for India Cements for efficiency improvement plus another ₹400 crore for capex on capacity expansion.

This definitely is going to take us over ₹1,000 per tonne, as committed, by the end of fiscal 2028. We are spending ₹400 to ₹500 crore for Kesoram cement assets.

They are already operating at ₹1,000 EBITDA per tonne, more or less in line with the other cement operations in South. These two assets today represent about 13% of our consolidated capacity.

They are moving from integration drag to earnings contributor. As their cost improvement capex matures, they will be a meaningful and growing source of group-level EBITDA accretion.

Let me now look at how we see fiscal 2027 and beyond. We expect a sustainable volume growth of 7% to 8% per annum.

The structural drivers are firmly in place: India's urbanization story, the government's infrastructure commitment—you would have read about Mumbai city itself spending about $60 billion in improvement of infrastructure—the PMAY housing targets, rising rural demand. None of these have been diluted by the West Asia crisis.

These are very strong structural forces, and UltraTech is better positioned than anybody else to capture that demand in the long term. The near-term environment has its complexities.

Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow, what will be the new comment that gets made which could move the markets. We will wait and watch.

On the integration side, we are through the hard work. Both India Cements and Kesoram are fully migrated to the UltraTech brand.

Cost improvements are underway, and fiscal 2027 P&L will start reflecting the benefits of this investment. I should definitely mention about the dividend the board has discussed, debated, and proposed.

Our balance sheet remains robust with a net debt to EBITDA of 0.94x at a consolidated level and 0.92x at UltraTech India level. This gives us financial flexibility to continue investing in growth without compromising on returns to shareholders.

We have already started charting out our growth story beyond 240 million tonnes and will come back to you next year. The board has recommended a dividend of ₹240 a share for fiscal 2026.

This dividend has been stress-tested against retained earnings remaining adequate for all planned investments and commitments. Credit metrics and debt covenants are unaffected by the proposed distribution.

We'll maintain our leverage below 1x year after year after meeting our growth capex. Our growth capex requirement is not shrinking.

We see a plan of investing around ₹8,000 to ₹10,000 crore every year for the foreseeable future. Future capex pipeline remains fully funded, and the growth story is intact.

It's a cumulative outcome of disciplined capital allocation, operational excellence, and consistent strategic execution over many years. We know it, you know it, our operating cash flows are growing, and our board has already taken a stance of improving the returns to shareholders.

You would have seen our dividends grow from 10% of profits in 2020 to 37% of profits last year, and today, we are where we are. Dividend is not simply a financial transaction, it is a communication of our confidence and commitment to our shareholders and our investors.

It says we are confident in our earnings quality, in our forward outlook, and in our ability to generate and sustain value. We are not keeping cash on balance sheet out of uncertainty.

We are sharing it because we can and because we have planned carefully enough to do so without any constraint. I want to close with something very simple: UltraTech has made commitments to investors on capacity, on integration, on brand transition, on cost efficiency, on sustainability, and on returns to shareholders year after year.

We have delivered on these commitments, FY26 being the top-notch performer. We said we would reach 200 million tonnes ahead of schedule, we did.

We said we would complete brand transition for ICL and Kesoram, we did, and a quarter early. That consistency of delivery, ladies and gentlemen, is what defines UltraTech, and it is what will continue to define us in the decade ahead.

Thank you, and we are now ready for your questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session.

Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press * and 1 on their touch-tone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press * and 2.

Participants are requested to use their handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles.

We take the first question from the line of Rahul Gupta from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Rahul Gupta

Hi. Thank you for taking my questions.

Congratulations on hitting 200 million tonne capacity, domestic capacity, and a very good set of numbers. I have three questions.

First, just continuing on the capital allocation point that you made, Atul sir. Thanks for the clarity on that.

Just to be clear on this, is it fair to say that given balance sheet strength and you funding your capex through internal accruals, we may see payout ratios staying higher for foreseeable future?

Atul Daga

I think so, but it will depend on the board and company's performance. If we perform, if the cement markets do well, I think it should be possible.

Rahul Gupta

Got it. That's very helpful.

Atul Daga

Most important point, Rahul, I would want to make is, and I think already said it, but I want to repeat, next few years we are in 2026 till 2030, '31, I will see ₹8,000, ₹10,000 crore of capex happening from our balance sheet every year. As the operating cash flows grow because of our existing size existing capacities delivering more and more, the operating cash flow the size of operating cash flows keeps increasing, making it very easy for the company to reward its shareholders.

Rahul Gupta

That's exactly the point. Very very helpful.

My second question is on realization. You, to some extent, have clarified how realizations have been better this quarter, your share of trade has improved, direct sales have improved, and brand transition of acquired assets has also ramped up fully during the quarter.

Am I missing something over here, or is it the brand transition completion has helped in giving you the edge in terms of realization during the quarter?

Atul Daga

Significantly, because if I were to look at let's say India Cements volumes for the quarter of 3.12 million tonnes, non-UltraTech volume was 0.39 million tonnes only. We have had the and everybody knows that, UltraTech enjoys a premium positioning with brand transition that has definitely helped.

Jhamwar ji, you want to add?

Very good afternoon. I would add further what Atul said, actually.

Fundamentally, I think it is working on all engines, actually. There are number of moving parts in the cement, actually.

One, yes, of course, the brand transition Atul has clarified, which is rightly so. There are so many other at least four, five, six critical moving parts, actually, which also helps somewhere to improve the efficiency and at the end of the day resultant into a improved cost structure or the higher profitability.

Rahul Gupta

Got it. My final question is, first of all, thank you so much for sharing data on slide six.

Now, my question is that in one of the slides you have mentioned that other opex got some impact of the West Asia crisis. Can you help us quantify what that would be, and how should we see June quarter assuming this current situation continues?

Atul Daga

Firstly on slide six, I've just given an indication which could be a potential impact, and this cannot be annualized for the quarter. Please don't panic too much.

Yes, in the last quarter the immediate impact was because everybody has inventories of fuel, nobody would have really felt the heat of rising prices of fuel. Bags became a crisis in the last month of the month of March, and everybody got impacted.

The cost went through the roof, and our incremental cost on bags was approximately ₹90 crore, which is reflected in other costs for the quarter, on account of bag prices bags cost going up. Hello?

Rahul Gupta

Got it. Thank you.

Any color on how should we look at power and fuel cost for the June quarter?

Atul Daga

I don't think there will be too much of an issue in the June quarter, and I will urge you, Rahul, to fly down to the White House and do something about it.

Rahul Gupta

Noted, sir.

Atul Daga

No, I don't think so it will be too much of a pain. Prices are going up, which is a reality.

Selling prices have also been increased to take the to cushion the impact of rising input costs. Another important, one-off, which we are not even, talking about, but the fact is the way rupee devaluated.

I have $950 $950 million of foreign currency borrowings, Saurabh? $950 million of foreign currency borrowings, fully hedged, but when you have to do a mark-to-market you have to take the impact of that currency into accounts.

It hits your EBITDA. ₹94.85 was the dollar-rupee rupee to dollar 31st March.

It corrected it strengthened by almost 1.8, Saurabh? It corrected on the 2nd of April, 1.8, but we have to account for the dollar dollar borrowings at 94.85.

It's a notional it's a debit to the non-cash debit to the P&L, but so be it.

Rahul Gupta

Got it. Understood.

Thank you so much and wish you all the best, sir.

Atul Daga

Thanks, Rahul.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, in the interest of time and fairness to others, we request you to restrict to two questions per participant and rejoin the question queue.

We take the next question from the line of Pulkit Patni from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Pulkit Patni

Sir, thank you for taking my questions and commendable results, very good quarter. My first question is you spoke about brand conversion having completed in March.

Could you highlight between March end and now how much has been the impact of this on India Cements and Kesoram?

Atul Daga

Kesoram, if I look at January-March quarter, it was already operating at ₹1,000-plus EBITDA per tonne. Everything else remaining the same, India Cements will improve further because again I called out out of 3.12 million tonnes only 0.39 million tonnes was non-UltraTech brand, 2.73 million tonnes already rebranded.

Everything else remaining the same, the impact will be felt on this, less than half a million tonnes of volume in Q4. Having said that, price improvements and the real efficiency and integration benefits will start flowing now.

To better explain, Pulkit, now it will be one product which is leaving from all the 9 11 factories of 9 factories of India Cement as compared to earlier days there were multiple brands going on, not just two, but there were more than two brands going out. The real efficiency which will be visible in logistics now, seamless operation will be visible now.

My performance will go up further in terms of earnings potential from India Cements.

Pulkit Patni

This is very clear. Sir, secondly, I'm just following up from the question from the previous participant on the slide six where you speak about the impact of West Asia conflict.

While clearly, longer term you've been able to manage costs really well, etc., I'm just wanting to understand these costs are quite meaningful because you mentioned in one of your remarks saying that, these are manageable. I just want to understand, based on just rough math, this looks to be fairly high in terms of its impact.

Any mitigating measures that you can highlight which gives you confidence that you'll be able to manage through this?

Atul Daga

There are several measures, and for the sake of confidentiality I might not be able to reveal trade secrets, but diversifying my sources of procurement, identifying newer opportunities to deal with the situation, doing long-term contracts for fuel, which are going to be beneficial to us now. Last 2 years, our long-term contracts were going against our, against our decisions, were unfavorable.

These will become favorable for us, and nobody has them. UltraTech will be one step ahead again.

Bags, maybe we have nearly 150-odd suppliers across the country. When there is a volume advantage for a supplier, obviously their inclination to service a high-volume customer is much higher.

Diesel impact, nobody knows, we are waiting it might surface its head its horns next month. We'll have to wait and watch.

Pulkit Patni

Fair point, sir. Fair point.

Maybe can I slip in one more question if you allow?

Atul Daga

Go ahead. Okay.

Pulkit Patni

Sir, this is you've mentioned the capex you've incurred on your cable and wire business, and I know the numbers are small, but just to get an understanding, ₹800 crore out of ₹1,800 crore has been spent. Does it mean we are on track for a for a end-of-the-year launch, or it could get

Atul Daga

Yes.

Pulkit Patni

Yes,

Atul Daga

Pulkit. Since you cover this sector in so much detail, you know what the implication is.

I don't have to spend so much money.

Pulkit Patni

Yeah. Sure, we are on track.

Atul Daga

It speaks, yeah, it speaks for itself. My guess is we should be on track, on time.

We had committed Q3. We might be in the first month of Q3 we might launch instead of waiting for December.

Pulkit Patni

Superb. Thank you, and great results as always.

Thank you.

Atul Daga

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Prateek Kumar from Jefferies.

Please go ahead.

Prateek Kumar

Good evening, sir, and congrats for great results. My first question is, can you discuss sequential improvement in performance, stripping out international operations, which was also done well during the quarter?

Atul Daga

Sequential as in quarter-to-quarter? What do you mean?

Prateek Kumar

Quarter-to-quarter, how much is the it seems like international operations have also contributed to sequential improvement of overall business.

Atul Daga

What, but they are only 5 million tonnes of capacity. One thing is that before the war broke out they were operating at 100% capacity utilization.

There was a drop in capacity utilization, which went down to about 80%. Now with peace permanent peace program being there, capacity utilizations have started going up, prices have started going up.

They're doing well for themselves, but the bigger thing, Prateek, is that is only 5 million tonnes. I have had ₹1,250 of EBITDA per tonne in India on a much higher volume.

Of course, I am knocking off the impact of exchange rate and cost of bags, which we had to face. UAE operations are all bulk volume, there's no bag cost over there.

Without okay, accounting for all the expenses in India, we are still at ₹1,200 per tonne out of the ₹1,253 average per tonne. UAE, I believe they are doing well now.

Volumes are picking up, prices have not fallen, and knowing the UAE economies, I think they'll be the first one to turn the leaf, come up with some new programs for reviving the economy.

Prateek Kumar

Sure, and obviously the UAE operations benefit from reconstruction demand wherever it is required. Yeah.

Atul Daga

Sequentially, UAE had EBITDA of ₹267 crore in Q3 and ₹278 crore in Q4. It's a stable journey.

Oh,

Prateek Kumar

it's stable Q-on-Q EBITDA for UAE operations.

Atul Daga

Yeah.

Prateek Kumar

Okay. Other question is on, can you split your pending efficiency improvement program which you have given ₹185 given all

Atul Daga

the I forgot to talk about it. I should have thumped my hand on the table and told you.

I promised and we have delivered. We are at almost ₹185 per tonne on nominal basis we have completed.

All these programs which are there, which will take us beyond ₹300, whilst we had committed ₹300, because I am keeping a let's say an emergency or a buffer in my pocket, but I think we will deliver higher than 300 bucks. Is that what you're looking at?

Yeah. We are looking at a number higher than 300 bucks per tonne.

Fiscal 2027 also, we should cross significantly higher, without giving a number upfront. I have a paper in front of me, but, yes, we will deliver higher than 300 bucks by fiscal 2028.

I've highlighted all the parameters and how they are getting quantified and measured. I don't know what else to add further.

Prateek Kumar

Sure, thank you. These are my questions.

Atul Daga

All right, thanks, Prateek.

Operator

Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Amit Kumar Murarka from Axis Capital.

Please go ahead.

Amit Murarka

Hi. Thanks for the opportunity and congratulations on a great result.

Just on the couple of data points I just wanted to understand better. In the presentation you've mentioned that your other brand sales volume was 7.

I think 4-odd million tonnes in FY26. Is it fair to assume this number will be close to 0 in FY28 given that full transition has happened now for both assets?

Atul Daga

Yeah. So, 7.34 in '26 and 0.52 in Q4.

Okay, 0.52 mein se 0.39 was India Cement and balance was Kesoram old brand, this is all gone now. Next quarter you won't see it.

Yes, almost zero.

Amit Murarka

Great. Also on the trade/non-trade mix, seems to be now 65/35, which I think is a bit higher than 70/30 earlier.

Again on this mix particularly, would it be because in the presentation I also see that the industrial or infrastructure was a bit muted in the quarter, but still this number is a bit elevated. Wanted to understand is this going to be now a sustainable mix, or would you like to take it higher again to 70?

Atul Daga

I have seen it fluctuating between 65, 67, 68.

Amit Murarka

Okay. Yeah.

This is

Atul Daga

this has been the narrative or this has been the broad mix. What you saw in infra two red marks that we have given is again a temporary, last quarter because things got over in one let's say Gujarat, when the high-speed rail project has passed through it, the work is coming to an end.

That's why you saw a red mark there. Otherwise, I'm sure the government, the way everybody knows that infra is the the foundation for growth, it will keep on happening.

Whereas I think I'll have to, create a darker green color for infrastructure going forward, because the way Mumbai, and I'm quoting the newspapers, yesterday or day before day before or one one day earlier when the newspapers gave a summary of how Mumbai is shaping up, 2035 will be totally new face of Mumbai, $60 billion being spent here, things are happening in the country.

Amit Murarka

Understood. Just one last question if I may.

Also on the clinker conversion ratio, this now 1.48x. How much more can it go to, let's say, in the next 1 to 2 years?

Can it go to like

Atul Daga

We have targeted to reach about 1.54x. That roadmap is already there.

Let's see how things shape up beyond that.

Amit Murarka

Got it. Thanks.

That's all from me and best of luck.

Atul Daga

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Indrajit Agarwal from CLSA.

Please go ahead.

Indrajit Agarwal

Hi, Mr. Daga.

Thank you for the opportunity and great set of numbers as always. Two questions.

In the last few weeks of March or early weeks of April, have you seen any concerns on availability because of the conflict, be it bags or petcoke, where you've found it difficult to source even at a higher price?

Atul Daga

No problems. Our dispatches have not suffered at any location in the country.

Bag availability has not been a crisis. It has become expensive, but it is not a crisis.

Indrajit Agarwal

Sure. Second, barring cement, all other building materials have become a lot more expensive as you mentioned steel.

If you look at PVC or other commodities as well, is it causing a demand concern for the overall IHB segment?

Atul Daga

Too early to say that. We have taken increases for cement.

Industry has taken price increases for cement in the month of April. By and large, we don't see a slow down in demand.

Now, everything can be explained, people will have an explanation: too much of heat because of which there's a slow

Indrajit Agarwal

down, but

Atul Daga

election, yeah, Bengal and Tamil Nadu elections resulted in a slow down just before the last 15 days you see a slow down, but generally I think the undercurrent remains strong.

Indrajit Agarwal

Sure. Lastly if I may, per your best estimate, what would have been the industry growth for March quarter?

Atul Daga

6% to 7% is what my learned team over here tells me.

Indrajit Agarwal

Sure. Thank you.

That's all from my side.

Atul Daga

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Jashandeep Singh Chadha from Nomura.

Please go ahead.

Jashandeep Singh Chadha

Hello. Good evening, sir, and thank you for the opportunity, and congratulation on a very good set of numbers.

Sir, my first question is regarding India Cements. As you have highlighted that 100% brand integration is done and, you also highlighted there that only a small portion of volumes were under India Cement brand.

I just wanted to understand that the delta of incremental EBITDA per tonne for reaching ₹1,000 per tonne, how much of that will come from the cost-efficiency measures that you're undertaking, and, realization improvement? If you can give a sense of, because I believe most of your India Cement volumes are already selling under UltraTech brand, how much more potential is there for realization improvement, and how much cost-efficiency measures will be there?

That's my first question.

Atul Daga

Jashandeep, hi. First and foremost, cost improvement programs, and again I'll go back to my earlier quarter commentaries.

January-March 2028, you will see all the efforts on capex converting into efficiency improvement. We are still seeing ₹200 per tonne of efficiency improvement, which will come into the kitty of India Cements.

Now, it all depends, second point, and I'll come to your one more aspect that you raised, how do we look at the earnings from the volume of India Cements? Mind you, there is ₹200 of EBITDA per tonne on India Cements volume, which is sitting in UltraTech books.

The 4 ₹497 for the quarter, and because of the during the quarter gradually the transition was done, it's not exactly ₹200, but about ₹176.

₹670 is the number.

Atul Daga

Total is ₹670, okay. We have reached a number of ₹670 per tonne on India Cements.

Now, if price increases along with efficiencies, new capacity addition, operating leverage, everything will take us beyond ₹1,000 mark.

Jashandeep Singh Chadha

Understood, sir. I'll ask my second question, it's a two-part question.

First is how you are looking at rural demand, how is that it has been in the March quarter, and in April also how you're looking at rural demand. Second is, I understand that UltraTech at the scale at which it operates, you will have multiple measures to mitigate this cost increase.

Let's say without those measures, what sort of realization improvement will be required to maintain the margins? These are my two questions.

Atul Daga

You have asked three or four questions, and I'll restrict you to two questions. The last question I will eliminate because that's a very difficult question, difficult to quantify.

As far as rural demand is concerned, we have operated at 90% capacity utilization across our network. Some plants would have operated at 95% and 100% also, and average is all across the country we are operating at more than 80%.

If you marry this point to the fact that our trade mix has not diluted, we are 66, 67, hovering around those numbers only, which means my rural demand has continued to stay steady. I hope that answers your question.

Too early to talk about the important aspect, the cash flows in rural markets improve with good crops, which helps the rural demand. Too early to say now for the quarter how things will pan out in the remaining 3 months we remaining 2 months we will see.

As for your other point you mentioned, it's a moving target, Costs, let's say bags, from ₹9 to ₹15 a bag, that's a ₹6 delta which has already happened, so that much price increase is required. Similarly, fuel, fuel is a very difficult one.

At least this quarter, I don't expect my fuel cost to go haywire. We were at 1.81 or

1.77.

Atul Daga

1.77 per kcal, max it might go to 1.8. That's the only and I'm just throwing this number off the cuff, I don't remember exactly where we will land at.

The biggest impact which was there in our EBITDA profile was exchange, dollar ₹94.85, and today it is ₹94, Saurabh?

It is 94.2.

Atul Daga

₹94.2, it had come to below ₹93 also. Quarter-end reporting what is required remains to be seen.

Price increases that have already happened will to my view sustain the profitability.

Jashandeep Singh Chadha

Understood, sir. I know you don't like answering price hike questions, I was trying to hide it, but thank you so much.

I'll join back the queue.

Atul Daga

I am also slightly smart.

Jashandeep Singh Chadha

Chaliye.

Atul Daga

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, a reminder, please restrict to two questions per participant and rejoin the question queue.

We take the next question from the line of Ritesh Shah from Investec. Please go ahead.

Ritesh Shah

Hi, sir. Congrats for a good set of numbers.

I have four questions if you allow. First is

Atul Daga

Ritesh, only two.

Ritesh Shah

Okay. Sir, 2A and 2B.

One is India Cement, you are doing the right things. When do we see the day when we actually merge it?

I understand there are a few legal cases which are there, but any timelines over here? Second, not so related, RBC, it's something which the group has pursued.

Any assurance from you that UltraTech's balance sheet won't be touched, or it's something which is ring-fenced? I'll just wait over here, if you allow, then I'll go for the other two, sir.

Atul Daga

The second question I think our chairman himself had said UltraTech's balance sheet is ring-fenced long ago when aspersions were made about UltraTech supporting Idea, Vodafone Idea. I think those were the days.

I'm going back. Not a penny has moved from UltraTech balance sheet for any other purposes.

We remain committed, and again, as I said, unless you missed the point, I have ₹10,000 crore of capex happening every year, at least for 4, 5 years going forward. That's about ₹50,000 crore of incremental capex, okay?

My operating cash flows is meant for meeting my capex requirements and for my shareholders. Sounds good,

Ritesh Shah

sir. India Cement?

Yes, sir, India

Atul Daga

Cement. India Cement.

There are those complicated legal issues which we have inherited. We, as I mentioned, we don't want to take any risks with UltraTech, the main company, and our main board.

Once we are able to, and we are trying our level best to get those cases closed, because they are donkeys' years old cases and there's been no movement, nothing. Once we are convinced that these there is no risk to us, we could look at the next phase of integration.

Ritesh Shah

Sure, sir. I'll just try my luck.

Sir, third question, RMC, we have done very well. What's the end goal over here?

I think the number of plants, revenue growth is more than volume growth. What is correct that we are doing over here, and eventually plans to monetize this particular business?

That's on RMC. Second, sir, ESG, clinker factor you indicated our target is 1.54x, just wanted to get a sense by what year is this, and how do you see the industry's ratio equivalent to 1.54x going forward?

I understand we are OPC heavy, and we have historically maintained that whatever we do, we will have clinker backing at 70%. Is it something which will change going forward, or we continue to play on the same hypothesis?

Sir,

Atul Daga

we will always be fully clinker backed. Second point, 1.54 is our target to reach by fiscal 2028.

I don't want to comment about the industry, but all I can say is UltraTech is a far stronger company in all aspects as compared to rest of the industry. Quarter after quarter, and there's enough not I don't have to say enough data, but actual data which is available if you just sum up the performance of cement industry, rest of industry put together and UltraTech on one side, we have delivered growth higher than the industry, EBITDA per tonne higher than rest of the industry.

This doesn't come by, a magic. They're all the efforts, whether it is clinker conversion, which means composite cement, which gives me more profitability, RMC, or all other aspects of our business which we are doing, or which help us to be far ahead.

As for RMC, RMC is an integral part of our business. I don't see a need or don't see that thought process as of now to monetize it.

Any

Ritesh Shah

eventual target

Atul Daga

What? What?

Ritesh Shah

Sir, eventual targets on RMC?

Atul Daga

Target in terms of number of plants? Say we are 3% 3% of the volumes,

Ritesh Shah

like is there a target to go to 6% in 3 years, something of that sort?

Atul Daga

Not really. Not really in terms of percentage, but yes, it would continue to grow, because RMC is the future growth engine.

Obviously the more and more urbanization is happening, I think RMC is going to be I think we are invested for the future, Ritesh, to be honest, to meet the requirements. If you look at our UAE business, it is zero trade sale, it's all sales to RMC people.

Or globally, US markets or anywhere else you see, they are globally, bagged cement to bahut kam jagah hota hai. RMC is an integral part of our offering and of our business model.

Ritesh Shah

Sure. Sir, I have one more question, probably I'll join back the queue, try my luck.

Atul Daga

This is 10A, okay. Next one, please.

Next person.

Ritesh Shah

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Pinakin from HSBC.

Please go ahead.

Pinakin Parekh

Thank you very much, sir. Congratulations on a great numbers.

Sir, one question we keep on getting from investors over the last few months is that the other industries, industries like steel and agri and PVC has taken aggressive price hikes in the face of cost pressures, but the cement industry has struggled to raise prices. Starting November, the price hikes have been relatively muted, even as demand has been strong.

What would you attribute cement's relative underperformance versus other building material industries in terms of taking price hikes?

Atul Daga

Fragmentation of the industry is as sweet and small answer, Pinakin, that I can give you. I think that would sum up everything.

Pinakin Parekh

Sir, just taking that point forward to the second question, assuming, sir, that the Middle East conflict stays where it is, we have petcoke at $160, oil at $100 a barrel for the remainder of the year, does this mean that the industry would struggle to pass on fully the cost pressures eventually this year?

Atul Daga

No. We are already passing on the If every industry is passing on the cost, are we.

March, somebody had asked me why prices are not going up in the month of March. March is never a period to increase prices, because it's a volume period.

Price increases always happen, and every industry has its own fabric and own pattern of behavior. July-September, monsoons impact cement industry only.

Price increases generally are seen in the first quarter of the financial year, not in the last quarter of the financial year. Pinakin, besides, obviously demand-supply is always there.

If demand is robust, prices will go up. You are there, I am also here.

Aaj hi ke din agle quarter fir milenge. We will talk and we'll demonstrate.

I think UltraTech will be steps ahead in terms of performance.

Pinakin Parekh

Got it. Thank you very much, sir.

Atul Daga

Thanks, Pinakin.

Operator

Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Raashi from Citi Group.

Please go ahead.

Raashi Chopra

Thank you. Just on your point that the power the fuel cost will go from 1.77 to 1.8 in the quarter, this is due to your long-term contracts, right?

Atul Daga

Multiple things: long-term contracts, inventory, sourcing, changing the fuel mix, multiple things.

Raashi Chopra

How long do your contracts and inventory last? As in I'm just trying to understand that should the situation persist where in petcoke prices sustain at like the $160 or $160-plus, when do you start feeling the impact?

Atul Daga

July-September would be some ripples that you will see, again which we will be able to manage better than the industry because of our supply contracts and domestic sources of coal.

Raashi Chopra

On these

Atul Daga

Please end the war early, Raashi. Why are you wanting it prolonged?

No,

Raashi Chopra

I'm just trying to gauge that on your supply contracts, how do these work? Do you have them going on, it's a continuous rotation and, therefore, this can persist?

Atul Daga

Yes, it can persist. It will persist.

Raashi Chopra

Okay. On the packaging side, between the fourth quarter to now, what is going to be the delta?

Atul Daga

Fourth quarter to now, roughly ₹9 a bag. Fourth quarter to now there was some increase and there was some decrease also, I would say it should remain in the same range.

Not nine, ₹6 a bag, ₹9

to

Atul Daga

₹15, it's about ₹6 a bag.

Raashi Chopra

Essentially, the price hikes that the industry has taken should be in your opinion adequate for you to offset

Atul Daga

this

Raashi Chopra

₹6.

Atul Daga

Yes.

Yes.

Raashi Chopra

Okay. Just on the industry demand, you mentioned that the industry demand likely grew at 6% to 7% in this quarter.

Atul Daga

Yeah.

Raashi Chopra

Full-year numbers again similar?

Atul Daga

6.5 is what my colleagues tell me for the full year.

Raashi Chopra

Your volume expect as in UltraTech's volume expectations for FY27 like growth wise?

Atul Daga

For '27?

Raashi Chopra

For fiscal '27.

Atul Daga

Next financial year, oh, we would target double-digit growth.

Raashi Chopra

Okay. Got it.

Thank you.

Atul Daga

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Ashish Jain from Macquarie.

Please go ahead.

Ashish Jain

Hi, sir, good evening. Sir, my first question is the price hike is sufficient to offset cost in that you are factoring coal cost also, or just packing cost?

Given coal you said will not impact in June. All.

Atul Daga

I'm factoring in everything.

Ashish Jain

Okay. Okay.

Okay.

Atul Daga

Except for if you take dollar to ₹100, that I have not that I am not factoring in, which is a notional debit to P&L at the end of the quarter.

Ashish Jain

Diesel as well, which we will know when we will know.

Atul Daga

Yeah. That has not been factored in.

Ashish Jain

Yeah. Sure.

Sir, secondly, earlier on the call I think you said that there is a mark-to-market hit on your forex loan. Can you quantify that, and is it above EBITDA?

Atul Daga

What do you mean above EBITDA? It's part of my cost, yeah, it's within EBITDA.

It's not an extraordinary item, not a finance cost, correct na, Saurabh?

It is a hit to EBITDA.

Atul Daga

Hit to EBITDA.

Ashish Jain

Can you quantify that?

Atul Daga

About ₹140? ₹30 a tonne.

₹30 a tonne. ₹120, ₹130

Ashish Jain

crore,

Atul Daga

yeah.

Ashish Jain

Okay. Got it.

Sir, secondly, you also said that packing cost impact was felt only in March month, and if I heard you right, you said it is ₹90 crore just for the month. Did I hear you right?

Atul Daga

Yes, you did.

Ashish Jain

Shall we assume that that's the run rate which will continue given there's no relief on packing?

Atul Daga

No, no, no, because as Jhamwar ji also mentioned, prices have stabilized. We have built volumes, our inventories, and doing alternate sources.

Mind you, nobody I think would have as many sources like UltraTech does. We have almost 150 suppliers across the country supporting us with bags.

We are doing some other things also to ensure we are able to source bags and maintain costs. So, ₹90 crore was a hit which was, the cost of the bag had gone up further also beyond ₹15.

Ashish Jain

Then

Atul Daga

it stabilized to ₹15 or even today would be ₹13 or ₹14.

Marginally reduced.

Atul Daga

It's marginally reduced, not ₹90 crore cannot be annualized. More importantly, Ashish, we have taken care of that with price increases.

Ashish Jain

Right. Okay.

Sir, lastly, just on pricing, if you can, shall we think that given the kind of cost inflation and all, price hike is here to stay, or you are seeing some pushback in terms of the channel or demand impact, and are you seeing that kind of concerns on

Atul Daga

I believe it's here to stay, because this is impacting every cement player in the country in every nook and corner. It's not a one-off, it's not one region.

Everybody's getting impacted, everybody wants to protect their balance sheet and P&L.

Ashish Jain

Right. Sir, my second question, just on India Cement.

Given some of the EBITDA of India Cement is getting booked in UltraTech standalone because of the tolling arrangement and, the sales being done by UltraTech, the ₹1,000 guidance which you speak for India Cement includes that, or that is what India Cement can eventually report, you think, in spite of the tolling agreement? I missed your question.

What did you say? I am saying given some of the EBITDA per tonne of India Cement is getting booked in UltraTech standalone because of the tolling arrangement and, the sales being done by UltraTech, the ₹1,000 guidance which you speak for India Cement includes that one which is getting booked in UltraTech, or it is pure India Cement EBITDA per tonne which will come purely through cost savings and all?

Atul Daga

All-inclusive. You'll see ₹800 in India Cement books and ₹200 of that coming in UltraTech books.

Again, Ashish, don't get disheartened, because when we have committed ₹300 of cost improvements and already delivered 190

185.

Atul Daga

185, right, as precise and to the second decimal when I'm also saying that we will do more than 300 bucks, so that gives you some indication of

Ashish Jain

No, for sure, sir.

Atul Daga

with India Cements. Yeah.

Sir,

Ashish Jain

lastly just, on long-term, while you clarified that ₹10,000 crore will be the capex for UltraTech, the cash generation will be much higher than that is my assumption at least. How should we think about

Atul Daga

You just saw what the board did, na? I clarify I think you were not there on the call when I spoke about dividends.

Ashish Jain

I was.

Atul Daga

A very thought-through strategy by the board. Enough we have presented enough, position to the board before they came to the conclusion that yes, it's now time to reward the shareholders.

Ashish Jain

Got it. Got it, sir.

That that's very helpful. Thank you so much, sir.

Thanks a ton.

Atul Daga

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Satyadeep Jain from Ambit Capital.

Please go ahead.

Satyadeep Jain

Thank you, Mr. Daga.

Just a follow-up question on the dividend. Heartening to see that special dividend.

You have a lot of confidence in the cash flows that's significantly higher than what the capex you're looking at. Can we expect because this is a special dividend, can we expect a target on dividend payout or I missed part of it in the initial, just trying to understand, or maybe increase the dividend rate?

This is also in the context of some time back when we saw the wire and cable investment. I think you mentioned that any other investment in the building material industry for the next 5 years, UltraTech is not looking at.

Just seeking a confirmation that looking at ₹10,000 crore capex and any incremental dividend, cash flow

Atul Daga

No, it's in So, 10,000 Sorry, please finish first, yeah.

Satyadeep Jain

So ₹10,000 crore capex, incremental cash flow will go to as a return of capital to shareholders. Is that understanding correct, and should we not look at higher dividend rate or maybe a target of return of capital as top-up?

Atul Daga

I have my capex plan and as I also mentioned during our commentary that we are already writing our blueprint beyond 240 million tonnes. 240 is already stitched.

We have close to plus-minus ₹15,000 crore to be spent, plus-minus I'm saying, not an accurate exact number, to be spent on that. There will be capex on cement beyond 240 million tonnes further, and that is what I'm talking about ₹10,000 crore of capex which will happen on cement year on year.

Yet, our OCF will be large enough to reward the shareholders.

Satyadeep Jain

That I understood, but so should we this was a special dividend, just trying to understand given this capex you're looking at and the OCF, why not consider a higher dividend rate, or maybe commit to a return?

Atul Daga

This is as high it can get. I don't know what's your question.

Whether next year also it will be the similar dividend, I am not an not the person to call that out. It depends on the OCF for the year.

It depends on the board's decision once they look at the annual performance. My guess is the direction is already visible.

Satyadeep, again I also called out 2020 we were at 10% of profits, in three or four years we jumped to 37% of profits, and that's a leapfrog jump. Right now, it's 3x last year's dividend, which is fantabulous.

Next year also it could remain the same, it could go up, or it could come down if performance is not good, then it could come down. We will manage our balance sheet.

We will not overleverage the balance sheet.

Satyadeep Jain

That's heartening. Just clarification on that, wire and cable was an investment decision, apart from that, no other adjacencies for next few years, right?

Atul Daga

As of now, I don't have anything.

Satyadeep Jain

Just one last question, Mr. Daga, on the new plant that you're setting up, the ongoing and the new ones you're looking at, are you adding any thermal plants there because you have ambitious green

Atul Daga

No. No thermal capacity.

We are adding higher level of WHRS, tying up renewable, and several locations grid is also available now, we are not adding any thermal capacity.

Satyadeep Jain

Okay. Thank you so much.

Atul Daga

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we take that as the last question and conclude the question-and-answer session.

I now hand the conference over to Mr. Atul Daga for his closing comments.

Atul Daga

Thank you so much everybody for joining us and patiently listening to us. For us, it has been a very satisfying, rewarding, and landmark quarter, landmark year, generating ₹3,000 crore of PAT for the quarter, ₹8,000 crore-plus of overall PAT for the year, integration done, volume growth rising, and a stable 200 million tonnes of capacity, and a stable and a growing cash profile that we see for our company.

Icing on the cake was music to our ears when the board considered this dividend of ₹240 a rupee or 2,400%. I think everything has gone very well for us this year, and God willing, we will continue to deliver stellar performance year after year.

Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. On behalf of UltraTech Cement Limited, that concludes this conference call.

Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.