OneSource Specialty Pharma Limited

OneSource Specialty Pharma Limited

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Q4 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptMay 13, 2026

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to One Source Specialty Pharma Limited Q4 FY26 earnings conference call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes.

Should you need assistance during this conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star, then zero on your touch-tone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded.

I now hand the conference over to Mr. Abhishek Singhal.

Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Abhishek Singhal

Thank you, Neeraj, and thank you all for joining us today for earnings conference call of One Source Specialty Pharma Limited for the fourth quarter and financial year 2026. We are pleased to have with us Arun, Founder and Non-Executive Chairperson; Neeraj, CEO and MD; and Anurag, CFO of the company, who will walk you through the key business and financial highlights of the quarter and full financial year.

I trust you've had the opportunity to review our results release and the investor presentation, both of which are available on our website as well as on our stock exchange website. The transcript for this call will be posted on the company's website within the next week.

Please note that today's discussion may contain forward-looking statements, which should be viewed in context of the risk inherent in our business. Should you have any further questions after this call, our investor relations team will be happy to assist you.

I now hand over the call to Arun for his opening remarks.

Arun Kumar

Thank you, Abhishek. Good afternoon, everybody.

Thank you for joining us today. I'm happy to report One Source's Q4 results with a strong comeback from our previous quarter.

This is obviously because we've been able to start invoicing our drug-device combinations. Most importantly, we have since then received approvals for Canada, and one of our partners have got approvals both for Canada and for the US, which is a tentative approval, setting the background for very strong compliance track record, capability, and getting ready for what we think could be an exciting couple of quarters going forward.

It's important to note that we had a few days post patent expiry in the quarter, but having said that, we were able to start shipping some goods on the GLPs. As guided earlier in our conversations, you will see an uptick on our quarterly performances going forward.

We're also using the opportunity today to reaffirm our long-term guidance of FY28, which is a $400 million of organic revenue with around 40% of EBITDA margins. Important to note is also that our capacity expansions are going on track.

Our second line is now at site and is going engineering and qualification trials, and we expect that capacity to be available to us in Q2, in time with increasing demands for the product from emerging markets. At this time, we are servicing the Indian market through multiple labels and also the Canadian market, where we have now commenced shipments to both partners.

All of this will play through over time, and then we expect, post the Indian approval, several emerging markets will grant approvals to various partners in the other larger emerging markets. Consequently, we expect volume uptick to be serviced in line with our capacity expansion.

At this time, we are fully committed to our capacity, and we're very delighted with the progress that the company has made, not only on the DDCs, but across the modalities that we operate in. Before I let Neeraj and Anurag take over the call, I just wanted to give you an update on the scheme that we had originally announced, where we had intended to bring the injectables business of Steriscience, which is a related party transaction, which the family owns along with TPG, and the business of Brooks, where Steriscience owns 51% with a publicly listed company Brooks, which makes carbapenems.

You would have probably read our releases where we said that on 26th of February, the stock exchanges and the SEBI had approved our scheme, validating the process and the board's independent committee decision. Having said that, we've had several conversations with investors.

Most of our large-ticket investors and shareholders are fully committed to this transaction, and we would have got this across the board without difficulty. Having said that, we had a long tail of smaller investors who believe that there would be concerns on the valuation.

Having said that, and also because the prices of the listed company significantly dropped from the intended valuation price of approximately ₹2,200 a share, we decided that it's best that we defer this transaction until such time both One Source delivers on its 400 million, 160, and the incoming assets deliver on its 40 million of EBITDA. Then we'll continue to look at opportunities independently to see how we can progress the business beyond the 400 million and the 160 million guidance.

I think in all it's in the best interest that as a group we are very focused on governance, and we're also focused on taking all our shareholders together. We haven't had any significant RPT transactions which haven't gone through with at least a 95% and above shareholders voting in favor of a scheme.

We didn't get that same comfort this time, although we would have got through majority without difficulties, and we decided to pause this for some more time and come back and discuss this further. Having said that, both units will pursue its growth, and we will re-look at these opportunities probably in about two years from now, if at all there is a need and the strategic intent is still valid at that time.

For now, this is the back burner, and One Source is very focused on building out its business towards $400 million target, which was guided for FY28. With that, I'll let Neeraj and Anurag take over the call, and I'll be happy to address any questions which are specific to the opening comments I made.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much.

Abhishek Singhal

Wait. We'll have Neeraj doing his comments.

Wait. Yeah.

Thank you,

Neeraj Sharma

thank you, Arun, and a very warm welcome to everyone joining us today for our quarter four and the full-year results. As Arun already mentioned, the Q4 has really marked a strong recovery, in line with what we had anticipated, in line with what we had mentioned, with the revenue that almost $48 million, up almost, 47% from the previous quarter.

EBITDA also recovered sharply versus the previous quarter, which you which you which you saw. This recovery, what really gladdens us is that this recovery was fairly broad-based.

All our service offerings really supported this recovery, including the really much anticipated generic semaglutide India launches. Arun already mentioned that we were able to get only this launch only at the fag end of the quarter, so, the impact was was limited, but still, it's a precursor to a to a strong improvement going forward.

This sequential improvement which we have seen in this quarter is we are expecting it to continue, and in fact, strengthen as we as we ramp up our commercial launches across all markets. Specifically on semaglutide, and I know, many of your questions would be around that, specifically here, we have moved in this quarter from from pipeline to real proof.

When India opened up, our partners were there on day one, and across multiple customer brands, which is what is really really heartening. Today, as we speak, our our customer base total, as on end of April, holds almost two-thirds of the of the Indian market market share by value of of the generic of the generic market, as it is further improving.

Also the, the approvals which have come across other markets, it really they are the ones who are really reflecting this momentum. We are the first and the only CDMO partner for the first three generic sema approvals in all the highly regulated markets, US and Canada.

As as you saw, in Canada specifically, I'll say, with these back-to-back two approvals, both our partners are all set to bring generic sema to the Canadian patients. Also, with the multiple other customers who are due to get approval across various emerging markets, we see a really strong visibility on the on the commercial ramp-up throughout FY27.

While, the demand itself is very, very robust and we have a clear visibility on it, we are at the same time ramping up our capacities, as you're well aware. Happy to share, Arun already alluded, happy to share that our capacity expansion remains very much on track.

Our current line, which is today running, is, fully committed back-to-back. As a part of the $100 million capex which we are doing, the new line which is which has been installed already couple of months back is currently undergoing qualification and will be due for available for commercialization in the in the next quarter.

Which would really, give us that additional additional boost and help. At the same time, our nascent biologics business, which is which also I mentioned last time, it continues to generate a very significant customer interest.

Our biologics funnel is at an historic high. In fact, in this year we have expanded the funnel almost four times versus previous year.

During the year we saw, a European biosimilar partner getting added, a US biosimilar major coming on board, and we also secured the second project from one of the top three global animal health companies. Basically, really a strong set of additions, which reinforces, the momentum we are building in biologics.

Apart from, these DDC and biologics, I would also say our base business of injectables and soft gelatin, here also there is significant movement which happened during the year, whether in terms of the 10 new licenses we signed, licensing and CDMO deals, we launched 15-plus products, really added customers, which together with our expanding capabilities in our SPD site, we will really be deepening meaningfully our specialty injectable injectable offerings. Apart from the the business, what also gives me a lot of matter of pride is our compliance track record, which remains absolutely stellar.

We saw the year successfully completing 49 regulatory and and customer audits, and and these includes who's who. In fact, we had surprise FDA inspection during the year at two of our sites, and we completed both, successfully, getting the EIRs.

We have renewed our EU GMP certification, both at our flagship site as well as our sterile injectable site. We had ANVISA approval coming through the year, which which gives us which puts us in in in pole position to supply to to Brazil as our customers as they they start getting approval.

How, we have achieved this obviously is through a very meaningful investment in our people and in organization. We have our flagship site where thanks to all the expansion project, we have added almost 400 people, which is which is where, the bulk of our growth is going to be coming.

We are also expanded and and deepened the strength of our other organization, whether it is in front end in the US, or whether it is in operations and in quality, just so that we are very well positioned on our FY27 and '28. Our commitment to our community as well as environment also was recognized by EcoVadis, who have awarded us the Bronze medal medal for FY25, and this is really with a very strong improvement across all categories.

We have also been recognized as a leader by National Stock Exchange Sustainability Ratings. Basically, a very strong external recognition that this is an area where we are really committed as a company and will and will continue.

Finally, I really want to thank all our teams for their extraordinary commitment and all our customers for the trust they are continuing to place in us. With the with all the momentum which has been driven by the recent approvals, which I just spoke about, our continued progress in capacity build-out, and a and a solid base business, we are confident of a strong FY27, and also reiterate our FY28 guidance of 400 million revenue and 40% EBITDA margin.

Thank you. I hand over to Anurag for his commentary to you.

Anurag Bhagania

Thank you. Thank you, Neeraj.

Very warm welcome to all of you on this call today. I'm pleased to take you through our quarter four and full-year financial results for FY26.

Talking about revenues first, in the fourth quarter, our revenues stood at INR 4,282 million. It reflects a strong 47% sequential growth driven across all our service offerings, supported by India semaglutide commercial launch towards the end of the quarter.

On a full-year basis, we reported 14,216 million INR, which is a 2% decline year-on-year. It reflects the softer quarter that we had in the previous quarter, due to delayed semaglutide approvals in Canada.

On the profitability side, the Q4 EBITDA reported was INR 919 million, which is more than 5x sequentially and the margin expanding by 1550 basis points quarter-over-quarter, reflecting a strong operating leverage on our higher CSA revenues. For the full year, the EBITDA declined about 35% due to delayed semaglutide approvals, which weighed in on our second half of the results.

As you are aware, there is a significant regulatory change on the new labor code during this year. During the course of the year, we've already fully provided for this change as an exceptional item in our current year's financials.

Looking at our PAT and EPS, adjusted PAT for the quarter is about 390 million, compared to a loss in the previous quarter, this quarter we reported loss to profit. For the full year FY26, adjusted PAT stood at 739 million.

Accordingly, our EPS for the quarter is INR 3.4 on a fully diluted basis and 6.5, INR 6.5 for the full year. I would like to highlight that our PAT and EPS metrics exclude exceptional items and amortization of scheme-related intangibles, which is a commentary that I've been making repeatedly, just want to reiterate that these are balance sheet items, goodwill arising from the scheme of arrangement that we had in the past, which reflects the significant strategic value in the transaction.

Goodwill is a non-cash item and does not have any bearing on the operational performance and liquidity of the company. On the working capital, we've seen a year where we've seen certain increases.

There are elevated levels, but all of that essentially to prepare for the long launches that are upcoming in the years, and we expect this to normalize during the course of the year in FY27. On the treasury side, as highlighted in our earlier calls, we've had four-notch upgrades during the course of this year ever since we got listed last year.

These four-notch upgrades are helping us repeatedly take our overall cost of borrowing down. We are trending below 9% today, which is 210 bps lower than what it was in the prior year.

All our capacity expansions that Arun and Neeraj talked about are fully funded through incremental borrowings, both from domestic and international banking relationships that we have. This marks the second annual results after getting listed, and while FY26 has been a year we've been building with investments and managing the transition to commercial phases, we believe we've got a very good foundation in place, and very excited about what lies ahead for us in FY26 27 and 28.

We expect to scale meaningfully, building towards the 50%-plus ROCE expectation that we have for ourselves during the medium term. We are committed to creating the long-term value for our shareholders, and we truly value your partnership.

Thank you, and I will hand it back to Abhishek for the questions.

Abhishek Singhal

Neeraj, we can open the Q&A now.

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question-and-answer session.

Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touch-tone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two.

Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll wait for a moment while the question queue assembles.

Participants, you may press star and one to ask a question. First question is from the line of Rupesh Tatiya from Long Equity Partners.

Please go ahead.

Rupesh Tatiya

Hello, sir. Thank you for the opportunity, and congratulations on Canada approvals for semaglutide.

I have two, three questions. Sir, first question is, my understanding is that Brazil has 28% duty if local manufacturing requirements are not met.

How are we going to deal with it? How are we going to work around it?

Is it a hindrance for a big growth in Brazil? That is question number one.

Then question number two, sir, is our US deal with Natco plus Mylan, I think it had profit-sharing arrangement as per the press release. Is it fair to assume that similar arrangements might be there with other customer in major regulated markets?

Let's start with these. Yeah.

Neeraj Sharma

Rupesh, thank you for your questions. On Brazil, I can just tell you that that is applicable only when there is local manufacturing available.

As we speak right now, there is no manufacturing which is available in Brazil. Also, having said that, as a CDMO, all our terms with our customers are ex-works.

Really, any impact of whether it's a tariff or otherwise will actually be to the customers to really be taking over, if that clarifies. To your second question around

Anurag Bhagania

profit share,

Neeraj Sharma

what we have shared in public domain is what we have shared, and you know that as CDMO, we neither do we talk about which customers we have or the terms which are with them. I hope you will appreciate confidentiality is the biggest part of our deals with our customers.

Rupesh Tatiya

Okay. One other question, Neeraj ji, is in drug-device combination business, we are, I think, a service provider.

We just provide the fill-finish service. With that context, can you please explain why our inventories have moved from ₹158 crore in March '25 to ₹440 crore in March '26?

That number for non-semaglutide business seems kind of large.

Anurag Bhagania

Rupesh, I want to clarify that while our inventories have gone up, as you would know, we are service providers, you rightly said. You should know that these inventories are part of our entire production process.

These purchases are fully funded by our customers and fungible. Precisely, that is the inventory that we are carrying.

There is really no risk that we carry on our inventories that we are carrying.

Neeraj Sharma

It is paid for by the customers already, just for you to know, because our benefit to our customers, Rupesh, is the fact that we are able to pool in the demand from various customers and able to get better terms for customers for all the inventory which is fungible among them.

Rupesh Tatiya

Anurag, this inventory change then will not flow through P&L. Is that fair?

The inventory up and down will be adjusted against customer advances. Is that a fair way to look at it?

Neeraj Sharma

You're right. That's correct.

Rupesh Tatiya

Okay. Thank you.

I have few more. I'll come back in the

Neeraj Sharma

queue.

Operator

Thank you. Participants, you may press star and one to ask a question.

Next question is from the line of Chirag Shah from White Pine Investments. Please go ahead.

Chirag Shah

Yeah. Thank you for the opportunity.

Sir, I have one question. If I look at H2 results and balance sheet, very significant amount of investments, both in P&L as well as balance sheet, without commensurate revenue.

Be it staff cost, be it other expenses, like inventory, for example. What kind of revenue will this investment support, if you can just share some thoughts?

It would be helpful. Secondly, the non-CDMO business or the injectables plus capsule business, what kind of EBITDA margins that we do, because it is difficult to analyze it right now.

Anurag Bhagania

Hey, Chirag. As I mentioned earlier to Rupesh, I think what you are seeing is an increased, elevated level of working capital.

These are as expected and as planned. These essentially are preparation for our significantly large launches.

These inventories are fully funded and paid for by our customers, and pretty much will go off the balance sheet. The impact on the P&L is practically negligible.

It's only the conversion charges for the service fee that we get, which will flow into the financial. Not a matter of concern from that point.

What we are also doing from a balance sheet standpoint is there is capacity build-out, and that's the increase that you may be seeing. Those are the two Sir,

Chirag Shah

I was more referring to the staff costs or the wage expenses and the other expenses. Despite drop in revenue, we have seen a increase in both line items, and that could be because of the cost that we are bearing on expectations of potential revenues.

What I'm trying to understand is to what kind of revenue scale this staff cost and other expenses can support, and beyond that there will be further investments that will be required.

Neeraj Sharma

I think, Chirag, this is the investment which is being put in the entire expansion of capacity, whether it was earlier the capex which we said, but this opex is basically to support that expansion, and that is what we have said. It is for supporting our guidance of 400 million revenue, out of which the DDC part, where the increase is happening, is very significant.

That's where we've already said the second line is already here, and second line is undergoing qualification right now, there is opex associated with it. That's when it comes online from next quarter onwards, and similarly the third line which will be becoming online later in the year.

I think that's what you see. The revenue guidance we've already given, which is going to be coming out of this expenses.

Operator

Thank you. Chirag, I'll request to come back for a follow-up question.

Participants, you may press star and one to ask a question. Next question is from the line of Nitin Agarwal from DAM Capital.

Please go ahead. Hi.

Nitin Agarwal

Thanks for taking my question. On the capacity, if you could probably remind us on the timelines for the capacity expansion in DDC.

By when do you see this incremental capacity is available? If you can give us also some sense on by when do you see reasonable utilization of these capacities in your plans?

Neeraj Sharma

Yeah. Nitin, hi.

Thanks for your question. If you see, as I mentioned, the current line is currently completely busy on doing the CSAs, the commercial manufacturing for both Canadian partners as well as multiple Indian partners.

The new line which is currently undergoing qualification, it was installed earlier in the year and now undergoing qualification, that line will be available from next quarter onwards. A, it'll ease pressure on the existing line, and as and when customers keep moving, because that is also the line which has the capability of going to a significantly larger batch size of 500 liter, which actually is in the interest of our customers and us to be able to churn even higher output from that line.

Once the third line, because you know that we are going to be adding two lines, two additional lines this year, and as the year will be ending, we'll be having the second new line. By end of the year, we will have three lines installed.

You will see, as we have said, the sequential improvement in both revenue and EBITDA quarter-on-quarter, that sequential improvement actually is built on basis of these new capacities being available, because as I mentioned in my note, we have a very clear visibility of a very robust demand from all the markets which are either already with approvals are there or the approvals are going to be coming. With this capacity expansion, that demand will keep getting serviced, and that you will see shown in our sequential quarter-on-quarter improvement.

You also know that there is an additional line which will be coming next year, but I'm not even factoring that. I'm just staying put with three lines which will be ready and which will be visible by end of FY27.

Nitin Agarwal

What will be the capacity available? We had a 40 million for the first line, and how many cartridge capacity will be there by the end of the year available with us?

Yeah.

Neeraj Sharma

Nitin, I think last time, if you remember, we explained that way to look at the capacity is in the number of sterile days which are available as a sterile injectable company. We look at roughly about 225-odd days of sterile manufacturing available to us.

In this, it is then a function of batch sizes. Now, if we do a 200-liter batch size, we can do roughly 60-odd-thousand pens per day.

If we were to take the batch size to 500 liter, that number immediately goes up by two and a half times, as you can imagine. From the same line, the output can vary quite significantly and increase quite significantly depending upon the batch sizes.

The customers who will move to the batch sizes will be able to get a much higher output from us. The same will be applicable to all the three lines.

You can imagine that with 225 sterile days for us on one line, and you multiply by three gives you 675-odd days, which will be available to us once all the three lines are up and running, making commercial. That's the best way to look at our capacity.

Also, at the same time, I would also tell you that what we are really good at, and what's our customers are really valuing us for, is all the capacity which I'm telling you is not only for filling, it is end-to-end including assembly. We are offering our customers the full finished packed product.

Nitin Agarwal

Secondly, on the biologics CDMO business, I think

Operator

Nitin, sorry, audio is coming muffled. Can you please speak through the handset?

Nitin Agarwal

Sorry. Is it better?

Operator

Yeah.

Nitin Agarwal

On the biologics business, we've obviously made a lot of progress on the funnel. With what we see in the business now, in terms of the pipeline, the way it's building out, when do you see this business beginning to contribute to a meaningful proportion of our consol EBITDA for the business, by what time does this begin to happen?

Neeraj Sharma

Nitin, biologics is a really very exciting business for us. As you see, there are so many global tailwinds which are supporting, including the recent changes in the guidelines by FDA as well as Europeans, which have opened the biosimilar business dramatically, expanded the size of the biosimilar business globally.

Obviously, the access and the attractiveness of CDMOs like us, because of the comparative cost which we offer, because of the agility and time to market which we offer, has made us really, really attractive. While the tailwinds and the funnel is very strong, what happens in biologics is it's a fairly long gestation in terms of closing the agreement.

While the funnel is really strong, we see agreements getting signed, and you will see that happening over the next full FY27 and FY28. You will already see a meaningful contribution coming in in FY27 and FY28, but the real kicker is once the commercial manufacturing starts for biologics, which is I would say still beyond the current time horizon which we are looking at FY28.

We see the commercial manufacturing happening '29 onwards. However, the contribution from biologics will already be meaningful in FY28.

If

Nitin Agarwal

I can take one last one, Arun, if you can answer that, we're talking about our FY28 guidance, which we've been holding on to for the last couple of years. Now, if you look at One Source as a business qualitatively, how should one think about the business beyond the FY28, if you can give us some qualitative feel on how should we visualize the business scaling up beyond that?

Neeraj Sharma

I would request Arun to answer. It's a good question.

Thank you.

Arun Kumar

Hi, Nitin. On your question, basically there are several modalities, right?

There's a lot of conversation and noise around the DDCs, which of course is an important segue to our 400 million, but we have several modalities, including our softgels, injectables, and the biologics, which is a nascent build-out. As Neeraj said, that will take a little time before we've got a lot of contracts lined up, early stages, and a lot of RFPs issued.

Material conversions will take at least another two, three years, and we already see the need to expand capacities in that area. In our 400 million target, we have alluded to the fact that our softgels and injectables business are trending closer to the $100 million mark.

We see a lot more growth opportunities there. We're expanding more capacities.

Neeraj alluded to the enhancements of capacities in our injectable space. We have a fourth line coming in Unit 2, which is a dedicated injectable capability with several features, including an SPD with high-viscosity prefilled syringes.

There are several legs beyond the $100 million which we are invested heavily now, and we brought in a lot of new capabilities in R&D and market access. We are very confident those businesses will grow quite smartly in the next many years and should give us much more leg up on the beyond 400 goals.

Of course, the Steriscience assets would have added to the whole story, but that's for another day. Having said that, the 400 million organically will also have some inorganic elements, not necessarily the Steriscience assets.

Clearly that's a pivot that we'll continue to look as we create beachheads internationally.

Operator

Thank you. Nitin, I'll request to come back for a follow-up question.

Next question is from the line of Kunal Lakhan from CLSA. Please go ahead.

Kunal Lakhan

Hi. Thanks for taking the question.

A little more elementary question. With respect to semaglutide, do we have a minimum commitment on volumes from our clients, say either on a quarterly or an annual basis, irrespective of whether the clients are able to sell their inventory in their respective markets or not?

Neeraj Sharma

I can tell you that right now the biggest challenge actually for the customers is access to capacity. For them to secure this access, customers have done capacity reservation with us, and that capacity reservation includes blocking capacity and committing to pick up that capacity, both by paying upfront fee, as well as take-or-pay kind of contract.

Right now as I said, we are only looking at how we can service this demand than worrying about whether they will be able to sell or not.

Kunal Lakhan

Sure, I get that. Once say markets like Brazil and other markets open up, right, going into say FY28 or '29, right, would these terms be different, or you see similar terms in terms of access to supply or access to capacity still remaining a priority with these clients?

Neeraj Sharma

See, it again depends how the demand develops. I can tell you, considering right now the way we have seen India pick up, we are seeing even the brand in other markets where the expansion which is happening continues to go beyond what was anticipated.

The demand-supply gap will continue to be there at least for next two years. While I cannot forecast any future, but I can tell you that certainly over a next two-year period, demand will be robust, and the gap will be more from supplies than the demand.

Kunal Lakhan

Understood, sir. Very helpful.

Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is from the line of Aniket Singh from Kotak.

Please go ahead.

Aniket Singh

Hi, sir. Firstly, on the semaglutide Canada opportunity, when do you expect approvals for your other clients in the Canadian market?

Do you expect them to come in by the end of FY27, or maybe sometime earlier or beyond FY27?

Neeraj Sharma

Honestly, that's a question we are not directly involved in managing the regulatory strategy or discussing with the regulatory agencies, but I think, as we have all seen in public domain, that there would be more approvals which will be coming in over the next few quarters. Now when exactly these are going to be there, it's quite difficult to anticipate, but you saw Health Canada talking about that there are more approvals which are currently in the pipeline.

Aniket Singh

Got it, sir. Secondly, sir, you have given some information on few ROW markets in your presentation.

Can you give some more thoughts on how big could be the market in Brazil and the few LATAM and select ROW markets that you have mentioned in your presentation?

Neeraj Sharma

Brazil, today, if you look at IQVIA, Brazil is the largest market outside of North America for semaglutide, right? It's a large country, significant population, and a country which is very focused on weight reduction.

It is going to be a very significant market. If you see there are other markets which are fairly large, whether it is Turkey, whether it's Saudi Arabia, because this is a factor of population size.

You look at these markets, Turkey 80 million people, Saudi Arabia again, large populations. These will be interesting.

Also you need to see that many of these markets today, whether it is Southeast Asia, whether it is Latin America, the brand has not been available. It has been a very, very constrained supply, because brand has focused only on US and Europe and the developed markets.

These markets will really grow. There are no clear numbers available simply because the brand has done a very, very poor job of even supplying these.

The clear example was India, which is second largest diabetic population in the world, and the brand got launched months back and not years back as it should have been, and you see the growth. I think that's how we will have to wait and see, but there is a very significant market out there in each of these emerging markets.

Also, we have a very strong customer base which will be covering all these markets which are opening.

Aniket Singh

Got it, sir. Sir, lastly, while you have given your FY28 guidance, but now as few of your customers have already got semaglutide approval in few markets, do you want to give some color on full-year FY27 numbers, maybe some inclination?

Neeraj Sharma

I think, as we said, we'll stay right now with FY28 guidance, while we continue to progress with the commercial launches, expanding capacities this year. This year right now we are reiterating FY28.

Aniket Singh

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is from the line of Dr.

Kartick Bane from Bajaj Life. Please go ahead.

Dr. Bane, can I request you to unmute your line and proceed with your

Abhishek Singhal

question?

Operator

Due to no response, we move on to the next participant. Next question is from the line of Ritika from ValueQuest Investment Advisors.

Please go ahead.

Yeah. Hi, sir.

Thank you for taking my question. First question is on Brazil market.

As per ANVISA's website, we see only handful of applicants which are currently under review, though there would be 17 applicants. Would you help us understand of these top filers, what would be our partnership number, though we've said we have five partners, but out of these top applicants, where would our partnership share be?

Neeraj Sharma

Ritika, again, as I said, this is not information which is in public domain. What ANVISA has not given, it doesn't give details on which ones are currently under evaluation, what are the names, who are.

I can only tell you that our customers are a fairly variable bunch. We have some of our global generic company partners who have filed in Brazil.

We have got Brazilian companies who have filed in Brazil. We have got regional strong leaders who have filed.

It's very difficult to really understand where they are. As and when the approvals will start coming, our customers should certainly be in that first wave.

Sure. Second question is on Saudi Arabia as a market.

Three months back, we had given out the notification of approval of the drug in Saudi Arabia, semaglutide. Why would there have been delay in launches?

Could you help us understand that?

Neeraj Sharma

No, here it's not delayed because the fact is that while Saudi Arabia there was no patent, you're aware that there was a patent in India, right? That was a constraining factor, and not the Saudi patent.

Now that freedom to operate is there, so as we have said, the Saudi launch is imminent.

Sure. Last question is on customer advances.

What would this number be currently on our books versus 250 crore last quarter?

Anurag Bhagania

Ritika, the number would likely be at almost the similar levels. There's not significant change on that number.

Sure. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is from the line of Aman Vij from Astute Investment Management.

Please go ahead.

Aman Vij

Good afternoon, sir. First question is on the biologics part.

You explained how FY27 and FY28 could be good growth years for the business. I just wanted to understand what is the number in terms of revenue and say EBITDA loss for FY26?

When do we expect the break-even in this biologics business?

Neeraj Sharma

Just, I think we have mentioned that earlier. The stage of evolution we are in right now, we don't really break it down in that granularity business-wise, because the modalities our customers take are all together.

As right, as I've mentioned, our biggest asset is actually confidentiality of our customers. We don't really break down business-wise revenue or any other financial.

Aman Vij

If you can answer which year can we expect the business to break even and start contributing in terms of profitability also?

Neeraj Sharma

As I said, what be the profitability, whether it is breaking even already or not, I will not get into that. As I mentioned that it's a business which is going to be expanding year-on-year, and will already contribute meaningfully to our FY28 numbers, and beyond.

In fact, that is a business which has got very long runway for us beyond FY28, because the commercial manufacturing is going to be starting beyond FY28, and that is a very, very meaningful growth on these numbers. Just to let it's a very strong EBITDA business.

Aman Vij

Sure, sir. On softgelatin part, in my understanding, the new capacities are already online.

Can you talk about say capacity utilization, and when can we start seeing good growth and a higher capacity utilization in that business?

Neeraj Sharma

As that last year we have expanded the capacity, and since then we have onboarded new customers. We continue to onboard.

In fact, thanks to all the challenges in having capacity available for our European customers, and who are really coming to us. That softgelatin capacity, we are actually seeing an increase.

As we have said, most likely by end of this year or if not next year, we would have no real capacity available beyond. That's why, if you also know that we have a transition agreement with Strides, and we will be expanding into our own site, and that's the time where the next set of expansion on the capacity will happen.

Within the current period, we look at this capacity to be fully utilized.

Aman Vij

Sure, sir. Final question on sema side, you explained how based on batch size, whether it is 200 kL or 500 kL, the capacity becomes 2.5x.

In your

Neeraj Sharma

Just to clarify, it's not kL, it's liters. It's 200 liters and 500 Yeah.

Aman Vij

Yes, 200 liter to 500 liter. In your understanding, when do you expect this to happen for at least the first original line?

Neeraj Sharma

Our original line, the current line, we can't go beyond 200. That's why the new lines which we have done, see, it's again, the existing line predates all the exuberance and excitement around GLPs and where the market was.

That line can do maximum 200. All the new lines which we are doing, which can go even up to between 750 to 1,000 liters, is where we are going to be changing.

Aman Vij

For the first new line, when do you expect this to happen?

Neeraj Sharma

It's a process. Customers are already working on it.

We'll keep updating you, but it's not a long-term plan. It's going to be happening sooner than we anticipated.

Operator

Thank you.

Aman Vij

Thanks for answering the question.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is from the line of Dr.

Kartick Bane from Bajaj Life. Please go ahead.

Kartick Bane

Hello. Can you hear me now this time?

Neeraj Sharma

Yes. Please go ahead.

Kartick Bane

Yeah. Thank you.

Thanks for the opportunity. I would like to know more about the oral semaglutide opportunity, and how would that impact our business?

Neeraj Sharma

I think it's a good product, and we are very clear that there are patients who just cannot take injections because they have a needle phobia, and for them oral tablets are an absolute relief. Having said that, orals have a challenge of efficacy, they still don't match the efficacy of injectables.

Orals also require a daily dosing, what we call a very high pill burden, and obviously with the daily dose, the side effect challenges also increase. With all in mind, while they're a very good solution for people who really need and can do with a lower weight loss, and that expectation

Operator

Kartick, can I request you to mute your line, please?

Neeraj Sharma

Yeah. I'm sorry.

We don't expect the orals to be taking about anywhere between 25% to maybe a third of the total market. The market will overwhelmingly stay as injectable.

Simply look at the pipeline of products, the other GLP products which are coming, which are overwhelmingly injectables.

Kartick Bane

Okay. Thank you.

My second question is that you have mentioned Canadian partner. Would you like to clarify if the Canadian partner is Indian company or outside India company?

Neeraj Sharma

See, I think we have said, right, one company is in public domain, which is Dr. Reddy's, and the second partner is also we have put in public domain.

Our partner is Orbicular, and Orbicular has a partner in one of the largest Canadian company. I think there are only two companies who are approved, you can, I'm sure, figure out which ones are those.

Kartick Bane

Okay. Thank you very much.

Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, in the interest of time, that will be the last question.

I now hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.

Neeraj Sharma

Yeah. Thank you very much for taking time and asking such insightful questions.

Really appreciate the interest, and we look forward to speaking to all of you next quarter. Thank you very much.

Abhishek Singhal

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. On behalf of One Source Specialty Pharma Limited, that concludes this conference.

Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.